The True Face Of Immigration?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What do you make of this video that landed in liveleak this morning?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=432_1257223111

[Novo]

This is not the England we once knew it is a shambles
the streets are full up with Muslims fckin utter disgrace! I've heard of Multi culture and all that.. But this is taking the piss

Also comes to something when you have to speak in welsh because it might be dangerous to voice your Opinions in english in front of them

[Crimson Dynamo]

I must say, having been to Wembley many times, and immigration issues aside, it is a total hole and how any English person can feel any pride when they go there (and get ripped off for tickets, programme, food, travel) is way beyond me.

[arista]

This Problem is due to what Blair started.
12 long years of New Labour
have Destroyed England.

Sign Of The Times.

[Novo]

I must say, having been to Wembley many times, and immigration issues aside, it is a total hole and how any English person can feel any pride when they go there (and get ripped off for tickets, programme, food, travel) is way beyond me.

You can't put immigration issues aside on this one

[Dr.Gonzo]

It's the world's biggest dinner party. The guests have no table manners and refuse to leave.

[InOne]

Yep it's just awful. They don't even take care of the area's they live in either. And call to prayer in the middle of the streets in Britain? It's just diabloical.

[setanta]

It's like Tommy Tiernan once said, "You colonise all these far off places and then give out when they follow you home". lol. He's a card.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's like Tommy Tiernan once said, "You colonise all these far off places and then give out when they follow you home". lol. He's a card.

At least with colonisation we were improving the area!

[GypsyGoth]

I like that there are loads of different cultures. And I don't mind the call to prayer or the mosque.

[Niamh.]

At least with colonisation we were improving the area!

Tell that to the victims of colonisation!

[Niamh.]

It's like Tommy Tiernan once said, "You colonise all these far off places and then give out when they follow you home". lol. He's a card.

:joker:

[InOne]

I like that there are loads of different cultures. And I don't mind the call to prayer or the mosque.

There has to be a limit though.

[setanta]

At least with colonisation we were improving the area!

Maybe in your eyes, and at the expense of the natives.

[arista]

There has to be a limit though.

Yes and now New Labour claims it got it wrong,
just before the Election.

[InOne]

I fear it is too late now. We are losing great cities.

[andyman]

Yes and now New Labour claims it got it wrong,
just before the Election.Lol, you also blame New Labour over that hat beating..

Grrrr where is my milk?! Dam you Gordon Brown and New Labour!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe in your eyes, and at the expense of the natives.

all right bleeding hearts I mean IN GENERAL

mind you I note a lot of eastern european countries are sending us their criminals a la Australia in the 18th century...

[InOne]

all right bleeding hearts I mean IN GENERAL

mind you I note a lot of eastern european countries are sending us their criminals a la Australia in the 18th century...

I have noticed that, we seem to get the Polish chavs lol

[atieah2009]

This is not the England we once knew it is a shambles
the streets are full up with Muslims fckin utter disgrace! I've heard of Multi culture and all that.. But this is taking the piss

Also comes to something when you have to speak in welsh because it might be dangerous to voice your Opinions in english in front of them

Woah! That's the **** world we live in, arista may convince you that the conservatives will change, there is even a equation: Labour (bull) + (****)

Conservatives (Bull) (Dog's ****)

BNP (Kill) (Muslims) (Love) (Israel) (Otherwise) (Out) (Of) (Parliment) (No) (More) (Funds)

Sign Of The NWO.

[InOne]

Woah! That's the **** world we live in, arista may convince you that the conservatives will change, there is even a equation: Labour (bull) + (****)

Conservatives (Bull) (Dog's ****)

BNP (Kill) (Muslims) (Love) (Israel) (Otherwise) (Out) (Of) (Parliment) (No) (More) (Funds)

Sign Of The NWO.

Would not say the BNP love Israel seen as they question the Holocost.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So far no one has really said that the video is no good etc..

is there anyone who would watch that and not see problems?

[InOne]

So far no one has really said that the video is no good etc..

is there anyone who would watch that and not see problems?

The video pretty much speaks for itself. Nothing to question.

[atieah2009]

Would not say the BNP love Israel seen as they question the Holocost.

You just got trapped, boom. Now they said they do did you not watch question time? because the "European Parliment (Israel and America)" say someone cannot deny the holacaust and be accepted. You may deny anything involving Muslim or black people.

Sign Of The Arista Times.

[InOne]

You just got trapped, boom. Now they said they do did you not watch question time? because the "European Parliment (Israel and America)" say someone cannot deny the holacaust and be accepted. You may deny anything involving Muslim or black people.

Sign Of The Arista Times.

Who got trapped? I was just stating something that Nick Griffin and any BNP member is always asked.

[setanta]

all right bleeding hearts I mean IN GENERAL

mind you I note a lot of eastern european countries are sending us their criminals a la Australia in the 18th century...

Yes, what goes around comes around. Swings and roundabouts really.

[30stone]

Looks like the oxford road (reading) or south wales. lol.
They are building a mosque down the oxford road to.

People actually do up their windows and women i know lock their doors so if you stop at the lights someone couldnt open your car lol.

[Enid]

It is like that here in Sheffield too. Very different to what most of the south is like.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Sad dinosaurs, I'd rather the likes of the BNP would **** off! Long live diversity

[InOne]

Sad dinosaurs, I'd rather the likes of the BNP would **** off! Long live diversity

Settle down dear. Do you agree there has to be a limit sometime?

[WOMBAI]

It's the world's biggest dinner party. The guests have no table manners and refuse to leave.

Whilst at the same time claiming they hate our country and our culture and everything it stands for - but they hate it so much they don't want to leave.
They hate it - but want to reap the benefits of the improved lifestyle is offers.

In my book - they lack the courage of their so called convictions. Then they turn round and BITE the hand that feeds them. No gratitude whatsoever.

[InOne]

Yep. I don't think they help much at all. Stay in their own areas, build Mosques and Islamic bookstores....great.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sad dinosaurs, I'd rather the likes of the BNP would **** off! Long live diversity

Diversity only works if the diverse people want to embrace the dominant culture and not create ghettos

[30stone]

Yep. I don't think they help much at all. Stay in their own areas, build Mosques and Islamic bookstores....great.


Dont forget the polish grocery stores and poslish pubs. :yuk:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Hmmm now who creates the ghetto? lol you dont want "them" in your backyard that you make perfectly clear

[NettoSuperstar!]

Do you have a problem with run down estates of predominantly white people, does that fill you with such anger?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Settle down dear. Do you agree there has to be a limit sometime?

Yeh but not because I have a problem walking down a street with a Mosque on or stores catering to other ethnic groups

[NettoSuperstar!]

Diversity only works if the diverse people want to embrace the dominant culture and not create ghettos

No diversity works when we all respect each others cultures

[InOne]

Yeh but not because I have a problem walking down a street with a Mosque on or stores catering to other ethnic groups

Maybe you are just too diverse for your own good. The call to prayer is not a very nice sound really, especially in a public place.

[InOne]

No diversity works when we all respect each others cultures

Tell me what way they respect ours?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Maybe you are just too diverse for your own good. The call to prayer is not a very nice sound really, especially in a public place.

Well I wouldnt expect a racist to like it... I have no problem with it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Tell me what way they respect ours?

Tell me how they disrespect it? And dont just waffle on about a minority section of the muslim population

[InOne]

Well I wouldnt expect a racist to like it... I have no problem with it.

Who says i'm racist? Islam is not a race, they don't class themselves as a race so why don't you. You are misusing the word racist and usuing it in silly ways. You are very narrow minded really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hmmm now who creates the ghetto? lol you dont want "them" in your backyard that you make perfectly clear

no i dont. i like going into my paper shop and speaking with someone who lives and works in the village and shares my culture.

when i lived in london, papershops were run by people who barely spoke english and shared none of my culture.

for example.

you are talking about the ideal and i am talking about the reality

[InOne]

Tell me how they disrespect it? And dont just waffle on about a minority section of the muslim population

No, you said they do, so I want to know how they respect it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

No, you said they do, so I want to know how they respect it.

I said diversity works when we respect each other and I have never experienced anything other than respect from other ethnic groups. Sure there are people that will criticize but on the whole most people just get along and respect each other so why do you have such a problem with other cultures doing there thing?

[NettoSuperstar!]

no i dont. i like going into my paper shop and speaking with someone who lives and works in the village and shares my culture.

when i lived in london, papershops were run by people who barely spoke english and shared none of my culture.

for example.

you are talking about the ideal and i am talking about the reality

Well move on sunshine, theres a whole world outside your village! Get used to change and get to know some people different to you...you might find that there pretty much the same on a human level, you might even grow as a person...yer never know

[WOMBAI]

Maybe you are just too diverse for your own good. The call to prayer is not a very nice sound really, especially in a public place.

That is what annoys me so much! It is this type of religious act/attitude that prevents their country from being able to compete economically with the rest of the world. It holds them back. And this is where their hypocrisy is obvious. Because they don't want the simple life that results from that - they still want the improved lifestyle that more economically successful countries have to offer. Then bear resentment towards them for being more successful - but not conforming to their way of life.

[InOne]

I said diversity works when we respect each other and I have never experienced anything other than respect from other ethnic groups. Sure there are people that will criticize but on the whole most people just get along and respect each other so why do you have such a problem with other cultures doing there thing?

So do you prefer England to be separated off, into little boxes of Cultures?

[NettoSuperstar!]

So do you prefer England to be separated off, into little boxes of Cultures?

I couldnt give two *****, why would I care?

[InOne]

I couldnt give two *****, why would I care?

So you don't care about your country, you just go with the flow?

[NettoSuperstar!]

So you don't care about your country, you just go with the flow?

What exactly is wrong with our country? Im as welcome at the Diwali celebrations in a predominantly asian area of where I live as my local pub and I celebrate that and I have no fear of it

[InOne]

What exactly is wrong with our country? Im as welcome at the Diwali celebrations in a predominantly asian area of where I live as my local pub and I celebrate that and I have no fear of it

There is plenty wrong with it. Not just immigration and that. Maybe it's easier for you being a woman I don't know. Like Mela used to be really mixed, and then the Muslims took it over, never been the same since. It is a certain group of people from a certian part of a country really.

[NettoSuperstar!]

There is plenty wrong with it. Not just immigration and that. Maybe it's easier for you being a woman I don't know. Like Mela used to be really mixed, and then the Muslims took it over, never been the same since. It is a certain group of people from a certian part of a country really.

Well I dont know what your problem is seriously, Ive always been made to feel welcome by all groups and the Mela here has a great atmosphere. I havent experienced problems with any muslims, Ive been to two muslim weddings and couldnt have been made to feel anymore welcome (and my husband). Sure I see **** on the telly about certain Islamist groups but I have no personal experience apart from one muslim girl at the hospital where I used to work who supposedly laughed about 9/11...(this was told to me by another muslim girl who thought she was well out of order by the way). I dont care who lives next door to me aslong as there decent hardworking nice people.

[WOMBAI]

People are trying to erode this country's identity, culture and values. It is extremely blinkered to deny that. Why is it our country that is expected to make the concessions all the time. When we go to a country like Afghanistan or Iraq we are expected to show respect and abide by their culture's rules - ie women would have to cover themselves. There is no respect for our culture in return.

It wouldn't even be safe for westerners to go there and walk freely. But despite the fact that there is a lot of resentment towards Muslims for 9/11 and our soldiers in this country - they are a lot safer on our streets than we would be on theirs.

[InOne]

Well I dont know what your problem is seriously, Ive always been made to feel welcome by all groups and the Mela here has a great atmosphere. I havent experienced problems with any muslims, Ive been to two muslim weddings and couldnt have been made to feel anymore welcome (and my husband). Sure I see **** on the telly about certain Islamist groups but I have no personal experience apart from one muslim girl at the hospital where I used to work who supposedly laughed about 9/11...(this was told to me by another muslim girl who thought she was well out of order by the way). I dont care who lives next door to me aslong as there decent hardworking nice people.

For me being quite young, it's different. The older generations are all hardworking. But it seems the 3rd generation have no interest in working or doing well for themselves. They will go out looking for trouble. And yes whites do it as well but that is not who we are talking about here. Look at how so many reacted to the Bradford riots? Even their own parents turned them in.

[NettoSuperstar!]

For me being quite young, it's different. The older generations are all hardworking. But it seems the 3rd generation have no interest in working or doing well for themselves. They will go out looking for trouble. And yes whites do it as well but that is not who we are talking about here. Look at how so many reacted to the Bradford riots? Even their own parents turned them in.

Theres bad on both sides, thankfully a minority. Its wrong to demonize one particular group and blame them for all the countries ills

[NettoSuperstar!]

People are trying to erode this country's identity, culture and values. It is extremely blinkered to deny that. Why is it our country that is expected to make the concessions all the time. When we go to a country like Afghanistan or Iraq we are expected to show respect and abide by their culture's rules - ie women would have to cover themselves. There is no respect for our culture in return.

It wouldn't even be safe for westerners to go there and walk freely. But despite the fact that there is a lot of resentment towards Muslims for 9/11 and our soldiers in this country - they are a lot safer on our streets than we would be on theirs.

Lol@when we go to a country like Afghanistan...I wont be going on my holidays there! How are our values and culture being eroded? What concessions are we making? How is our culture not being respected...I hear this all the time and still havent had a satisfactory answer

[InOne]

Theres bad on both sides, thankfully a minority. Its wrong to demonize one particular group and blame them for all the countries ills

More bothered about the city where I live really. Nothing we can do about the country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Theres bad on both sides, thankfully a minority. Its wrong to demonize one particular group and blame them for all the countries ills

that is not what the video is saying. You cant watch that video and think all is rosy?

[WOMBAI]

Lol@when we go to a country like Afghanistan...I wont be going on my holidays there! How are our values and culture being eroded? What concessions are we making? How is our culture not being respected...I hear this all the time and still havent had a satisfactory answer

Whether you would choose to go there or not - is besides the point. The point is - you couldn't - not safely.

We make consessions all the time - ie allowing them to build Mosques, teaching their religion in our schools, introducing anti-discriminatory laws - the list goes on.

A lot of Muslims are quite vocal about their disapproval of our culture and lifestyle. For instance - they make no secret of the fact they don't approve of the freedoms British women have. If they could force the issue - they would.

Muslim women refuse to remove their full burkas in places like schools and colleges - which causes issues for us - no respect for our culture and laws. But our women would be forced to cover up in their country - whether we wanted to or not - no respect for our wishes.

They always expect us to do the accomodating.

[Tom4784]

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP?

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques?

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture?

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP? - generalisation and hyperbole.

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques? - that is because we are a Christian country and have been for many hundreds of years

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture? - i dont think any post has made a point about a persons character and 90% of the UK is white so the chances are far higher

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few. - the thread is about the ghettos in inner city areas?

[WOMBAI]

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP?

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques?

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture?

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

Don't try and turn this into a race issue - it is not. It is a Muslim issue.

As for the mosques/churches bit - what a ridiculous point. I should damn well hope there are a lot more churches than mosques - this is Britain. How many churches do you think there are in Afghanistan or Iraq.

[Tom4784]

- the thread is about the ghettos in inner city areas?

Yes but I can read between the lines just fine.

So what if buildings like Mosques and such are being made? It's not like all immigrants come to this country to live off the dole, loads have a better work ethic then brittish people. Have you ever wondered why you see a lot of foreign cleaners and stuff? Because they'll do the jobs we look down our nose at. Immigrants more often then not pay their way, why should there not be places for people of different faith to worship? They'd have a long way to catch up before they could even graze the knee of the number of churches there are. They are far from taking over our culture, people have just let themselves be swayed by the Daily Mail and Nick Griffin.

[Tom4784]

Don't try and turn this into a race issue - it is not. It is a Muslim issue.

As for the mosques/churches bit - what a ridiculous point. I should damn well hope there are a lot more churches than mosques - this is Britain. How many churches do you think there are in Afghanistan or Iraq.

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.


a few areas?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lol@antidiscrimanatory laws like thats a bad thing

[WOMBAI]

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

Because quite a few of those Muslims are preaching hate against us on our own streets carrying out acts of terrorism against us - despite the fact that we do bend over backwards to accommodate them into our society. They are also killing our troops - or hadn't you noticed? A lot of the Taliban members over there are home grown - recruited from our own streets. You may be able to overlook that - but I am not.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Whether you would choose to go there or not - is besides the point. The point is - you couldn't - not safely.

We make consessions all the time - ie allowing them to build Mosques, teaching their religion in our schools, introducing anti-discriminatory laws - the list goes on.

A lot of Muslims are quite vocal about their disapproval of our culture and lifestyle. For instance - they make no secret of the fact they don't approve of the freedoms British women have. If they could force the issue - they would.

Muslim women refuse to remove their full burkas in places like schools and colleges - which causes issues for us - no respect for our culture and laws. But our women would be forced to cover up in their country - whether we wanted to or not - no respect for our wishes.

They always expect us to do the accomodating.

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

[NettoSuperstar!]

that is not what the video is saying. You cant watch that video and think all is rosy?

Whats your problem with the video?

[WOMBAI]

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

If we loose our identity - you can kiss goodbye to democracy. You may change your stance if you loose your liberty and all the freedoms of choice and rights of protection you are used to.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whats your problem with the video?

It clearly shows that many parts of London are ghettos with no identity, just camps of immigrants. Its not diversity it is a terrible immigration policy that has been left to rot.

[NettoSuperstar!]

If we loose our identity - you can kiss goodbye to democracy. You may change your stance if you loose your liberty and all the freedoms of choice and rights of protection you are used to.

Lol ok, for one most muslims in this country dont oppose democracy. There is no need to feel threatened, its mass hysteria with no foundation...time and time again this happens throughout history and still we dont learn

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem is when you have a go at this mess (and like in this thread) people start howling that you are saying the people are bad and no one yet has done that

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol ok, for one most muslims in this country dont oppose democracy. There is no need to feel threatened, its mass hysteria with no foundation...time and time again this happens throughout history and still we dont learn

do you live in London or Birmingham?

[NettoSuperstar!]

It clearly shows that many parts of London are ghettos with no identity, just camps of immigrants. Its not diversity it is a terrible immigration policy that has been left to rot.


No identity? you mean they're not like you? lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

No identity? you mean they're not like you? lol

no English identity

[NettoSuperstar!]

do you live in London or Birmingham?

No Leicester, one of the most diverse cities in the country. I grew up in Highfields amongst a wide range of ethnic groups...Ive been hearing the **** you spout all my life and it was bull then and its bull now

[WOMBAI]

Lol ok, for one most muslims in this country dont oppose democracy. There is no need to feel threatened, its mass hysteria with no foundation...time and time again this happens throughout history and still we dont learn

How can you say that! The very nature of the Muslim religion is not democratic - it is extremely dictorial - especially towards women!

[NettoSuperstar!]

no English identity

Im sure they were saying the same **** back when the Romans invaded...give it up, what exactly are you holding on to?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im sure they were saying the same **** back when the Romans invaded...give it up, what exactly are you holding on to?

At least the Romans built some roads. What is it that Wembley High street, for example is adding to England?

[NettoSuperstar!]

How can you say that! The very nature of the Muslim religion is not democratic - it is extremely dictorial - especially towards women!

No there has been an Islamic political movement that has grown I grant you that (and we have contributed to that btw) . This is a secular society not a religious one and if you knew any muslims you might find that most prefer it this way. This isnt a Christian society and fundamentalist Christians also have their problems too, its an interpretation thing.

[WOMBAI]

Whatever you say - this is a Christian country with its own heritage and culture - and that is how it should stay. We have as much right to preserve our culture as any other religion - and that is why so many feel so strongly about it.

Multiculture is fine - but Christianity should always be the dominant religion in this country along with the English culture and way of life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No Leicester, one of the most diverse cities in the country. I grew up in Highfields amongst a wide range of ethnic groups...Ive been hearing the **** you spout all my life and it was bull then and its bull now

is your opinion. and btw, at no time did i call your views ****, perhaps you could return the compliment?

[NettoSuperstar!]

This is more like the true face of immigration

http://www.naar.org.uk/resources/PDFs/ASYLUMfact%20sheet.pdf

http://www.poptel.org.uk/scgn/archive/articles/0709/p5b.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4137990.stm

[NettoSuperstar!]

Whatever you say - this is a Christian country with its own heritage and culture - and that is how it should stay. We have as much right to preserve our culture as any other religion - and that is why so many feel so strongly about it.

Multiculture is fine - but Christianity should always be the dominant religion in this country along with the English culture and way of life.

No this isnt a Christian country, this is a secular democratic country that accepts all cultures and religions. Our culture over time has been assimilated with other cultures, our heritage lives on within that, but cultures change and develop constantly as they have done throughout the centuries. I feel confident enough in my own identity as not to feel threatened by other cultures and difference

[WOMBAI]

Biased patronising claptrap.

[NettoSuperstar!]

No reasoned and backed up with evidence

[Novo]

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This man speaks sense

[InOne]

Pat Condell is a legend.

[WOMBAI]

No this isnt a Christian country, this is a secular democratic country that accepts all cultures and religions. Our culture over time has been assimilated with other cultures, our heritage lives on within that, but cultures change and develop constantly as they have done throughout the centuries. I feel confident enough in my own identity as not to feel threatened by other cultures and difference

I don't see the Muslim religion doing much assimilating. They feel the most threatened of all - hence their usually violent reaction to any criticism. How has the Muslim religion developed and changed throughout the centuries?

The fact that you say that demonstrates my point - that some people are trying to change our identity. It has always been a democratic society - democratic and Christian. It may be multi-cultural - but it is predominantly English.

[WOMBAI]

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This man speaks sense

That was brilliant. The most eleoquent and sensible speech I have heard on the subject. He was spot on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is more like the true face of immigration

http://www.naar.org.uk/resources/PDFs/ASYLUMfact%20sheet.pdf

http://www.poptel.org.uk/scgn/archive/articles/0709/p5b.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4137990.stm

The best you can do is some bbc poll (i mean wtf) and some websites with agendas


whilst laid before you was a video of real life


well f me, you have us hands down

:crazy:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Your video is an area of Britain that only seems to offend racists...those that want a white man selling tham their morning paper!!

And again do you have the same issue with run down white chav estates? Theres plenty more of them with plenty more who will expect the state to fund their lives

[NettoSuperstar!]

That was brilliant. The most eleoquent and sensible speech I have heard on the subject. He was spot on.

No its the media that present this picture not the general muslim community. what this man is lacking is rational perspective!

[WOMBAI]

No its the media that present this picture not the general muslim community. what this man is lacking is rational perspective!

Sorry - but, from my experience, he is not. Many Muslims are totally irrational in their over-reaction to many things - ie the way they threaten the lives of people who disagree with their views and say something they consider offensive - a good case in point is Salmon Rushdie (probably spelt that wrong) - a very public case - but it has happened many times.

We all find things offensive - (some people are extremely offensive) - but it doesn't justify threats of violence and death.

[Prole]

Your video is an area of Britain that only seems to offend racists...those that want a white man selling tham their morning paper!!

And again do you have the same issue with run down white chav estates? Theres plenty more of them with plenty more who will expect the state to fund their lives

Just wanted to show some support here Netto. This place is like a fecking BNP rally sometimes with the "christian" up the front carrying the banner.

[Prole]

Sorry - but, from my experience, he is not. Many Muslims are totally irrational in their over-reaction to many things - ie the way they threaten the lives of people who disagree with their views and say something they consider offensive - a good case in point is Salmon Rushdie (probably spelt that wrong) - a very public case - but it has happened many times.

We all find things offensive - (some people are extremely offensive) - but it doesn't justify threats of violence and death.

You're talking about extremists. You're not talking about most muslims. Then, you probably haven't ever met many so they seem exotic to you.

And while your citing Salman Rushdie as an example, remember the HE IS A MUSLIM TOO!

[WOMBAI]

You're talking about extremists. You're not talking about most muslims. Then, you probably haven't ever met many so they seem exotic to you.

And while your citing Salman Rushdie as an example, remember the HE IS A MUSLIM TOO!

Whether he is Muslim or not is irrelevant. His life was repeatedly threatened because he had offended the Muslim religion. Actually, on reflection - surely the fact he is Muslim gives him more right to criticise - much like a disabled person can crack a joke about disabled people - but an able bodied person can't.

The response to Rushdie's comments was not just a few people - there was a hugh Muslim outcry about it. For years he had to live in hiding. Totally ridiculous - he hadn't killed anyone.

What about the recent event when a young Muslim woman complained to the police about a comment a British couple had made in their own home.

Just ridiculous!

[setanta]

The only thing I'm going to say is that you shouldn't condemn that video as being racist or reactionary, because that guy is an atheist and has criticized every religion and creed in the country. I personally found it quite interesting although I could have done without the snidey and sharp little comments he made in the name of humour which marred the whole experience for me. He obviously has a major chip on his shoulders.

[InOne]

Well it seems that on here, people can't accept the fact that Islam is not a race. They don't consider themselves a race, so why do you? Also, just for talking about Islam, seems you get called a racist and MUST support the BNP. I have met many Muslims, I know alot of Muslims so I know what it's like. Even they get tired of their Religion, and what is worse is with immigrant parents they face a massive indentity crisis. Therefore they will probably stick to their own areas. I think the problem here is the areas get bigger and bigger, sometimes becoming no-go areas. It's sad but true, why do you think they had to do the last bit in Welsh??

[arista]

Diversity only works if the diverse people want to embrace the dominant culture and not create ghettos


Bang On Right LT.

[NettoSuperstar!]

You're talking about extremists. You're not talking about most muslims. Then, you probably haven't ever met many so they seem exotic to you.

And while your citing Salman Rushdie as an example, remember the HE IS A MUSLIM TOO!

thanks Prole, exactly, most muslims dont react in such ways. The same way there are Catholics and Christians that react in extreme ways towards certain things, doesnt follow that they all do...and lol@ Inone knowing loads of muslims (itchy chin)

[WOMBAI]

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

I think the fact that our soldiers are dying fighting a war that is not theres - affects us a lot!!! Why can't the people in Afghanistan or Iraq sort out their own problems - why do they create a culture that allows the likes of the Taliban to take over in the first place. That couldn't happen here. Then OUR troops have to go in and try and sort the situation out - and pay the price. These nations are always fighting amongst themselves and killing each other -they don't seem to have respect or compasion for anyone - just thousands of years of pent-up hate!!!Then they bring their hate here! Like many - sick of it!

[InOne]

thanks Prole, exactly, most muslims dont react in such ways. The same way there are Catholics and Christians that react in extreme ways towards certain things, doesnt follow that they all do...and lol@ Inone knowing loads of muslims (itchy chin)

Yes, statements like that show how narrow minded and up your own arse you are.

[Prole]

Yes, statements like that show how narrow minded and up your own arse you are.

Whereas your own argument is so rational and well-thought through. Isn't it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yes, statements like that show how narrow minded and up your own arse you are.

Bite me:xyxwave:

[InOne]

Whereas your own argument is so rational and well-thought through. Isn't it.

You don't even have an argument, you just back up her.

[WOMBAI]

No diversity works when we all respect each others cultures

It makes me laugh when you keep harping on about diversity - how many Muslims do you think actually believe in diversity?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It makes me laugh when you keep harping on about diversity - how many Muslims do you think actually believe in diversity?

Ask some Christians in Muslim countries..

[NettoSuperstar!]

It makes me laugh when you keep harping on about diversity - how many Muslims do you think actually believe in diversity?

Most of them in this country, there are polls to back that up

[WOMBAI]

Most of them in this country, there are polls to back that up

Havent' seen them - besides they probably meant that they think WE should believe in diversity and assimilate their religion and culture - not the other way round!

[InOne]

Most of them in this country, there are polls to back that up


Link? And not a Islamic website please.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Link? And not a Islamic website please.

Why, they not to be trusted?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4139594.stm more to follow

Note a higher percentage of muslims have faith in multiculturalism than the general population

http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-817

http://www.mcb.org.uk/downloads/MCB%20ReDoc%20Briefing%20Paper%20PRINTRUN.pdf (Or our we not to believe them eh? they would say that? Fact is they have documented research evidence to back it up)

[InOne]

Why, they not to be trusted?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4139594.stm...more to follow

http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-817

http://www.mcb.org.uk/downloads/MCB%20ReDoc%20Briefing%20Paper%20PRINTRUN.pdf (Or our we not to believe them eh? they would say that? lol)

Just so it's not bias, I would not expect you to be backing up Chirstianity from a Christian website would I? You get my drift...

[InOne]

The first one says page cannot be found.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Just read it

[InOne]

Just read it

I read it. I saw a doc about Muslims who fight and fought in the war. I'm not saying they don't contribute, i'm saying some don't as well. It would be nice if they all had the same mentality.

[NettoSuperstar!]

....and the second one

[Tom4784]

I read it. I saw a doc about Muslims who fight and fought in the war. I'm not saying they don't contribute, i'm saying some don't as well. It would be nice if they all had the same mentality.

The same can be applied to brittish and/or Christian people though, some of us work to death to make a living while others live off benefits.

[InOne]

....and the second one

Yes, some act on it, some don't, it's the way it goes.

[InOne]

The same can be applied to brittish and/or Christian people though, some of us work to death to make a living while others live off benefits.

Indeed, but i'm thinking more of the immigration side really, immigrants and first generation childer and their mentality towards it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yes, some act on it, some don't, it's the way it goes.

Yes but you and a few others say things that imply that MOST are a threat to our culture and dont want to integrate etc etc when its just not the case

[WOMBAI]

Sorry - but as far as I am concerned - they prove nothing. The more cynical amongst us could say it was just more rhetoric - people being seen to say the right thing. Politicians do it all the time. People want to see actions - not talk.

What we do see is plenty of action when it comes to hate of the West and everything it stands for. Minority or majority - comes down to opinion - but I certainly haven't witnessed much in the way of Muslims embracing diversity and the cultures of others - other than to enjoy the improved economic lifestyle our country has to offer.

[InOne]

Yes but you and a few others say things that imply that MOST are a threat to our culture and dont want to integrate etc etc when its just not the case

Most get on with it, but it's a shame the ones who do want to cause trouble do alot of damage.