View Full Version : Should x-factor be a singing competition or a tv entertainment show?
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 08:49 AM
Simon says it is a singing competion - that is how it is packaged - there are only singers in the show - no other type of entertainment. It has always been referred to as a talent competition - but many on this site now claim it is an entertainment show. It is a bit of both - but ultimately a talent show?
Opinions please!
Captain.Remy
04-11-2009, 08:55 AM
None of them. It's a 'whoever manages to make people cry thanks to their sob story' show. Just like 99.9% of reality TV shows.
setanta
04-11-2009, 09:04 AM
It's a farce now, where Simon's disdain and disregard for the audience is barely concealed. He realises how easily he can manipulate the audience at this stage, which has led him to abandon any credibility that he or the show ever possessed in order to achieve his goal. The show has always tried to brainwash the public but it's gone into overdrive this series with Simon adding to the madness. There was a time when he actually had something to say and I remember I used to applaud him for some of his comments, but now he's turned into a total phoney.
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 09:22 AM
It's a farce now, where Simon's disdain and disregard for the audience is barely concealed. He realises how easily he can manipulate the audience at this stage, which has led him to abandon any credibility that he or the show ever possessed in order to achieve his goal. The show has always tried to brainwash the public but it's gone into overdrive this series with Simon adding to the madness. There was a time when he actually had something to say and I remember I used to applaud him for some of his comments, but now he's turned into a total phoney.
I agree. Simon does appear to be pandering to the teeny bopper market now with all thought of creating a genuine new talent out the window. I was so disappointed with his cop-out on Saturday - leading to the loss of one such genuine talent.
The show has become increasingly flamboyant and dramatic - very Americanised - over the years - attracting a larger teenage audience - who are more interested in image than talent. Simon now appears to have given up the ghost - in order to preserve large audiences (no matter who that audience consists of) simply for ratings and therefore money in the bank for him. Such a shame.
Although I didn't necessarily like him - I respected his opinion. But now it seems - we can no longer do that.
Crimson Dynamo
04-11-2009, 09:31 AM
Look, X-Factor is a TV SHOW - it was conceived as a TV SHOW - it is about ratings and advertising for ITV.
It is no more a singing show or talent show as All Star family Fortunes is about giving to charity.
Kazanne
04-11-2009, 09:34 AM
Singing,we have Britains got talent for entertainment
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 09:35 AM
Singing,we have Britains got talent for entertainment
Completey agree!
Crimson Dynamo
04-11-2009, 09:43 AM
Completey agree!
and can you remind the group about what, apart from looks, is CC's talent or singing ability?
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 09:46 AM
and can you remind the group about what, apart from looks, is CC's talent or singing ability?
Who is CC?
Crimson Dynamo
04-11-2009, 09:47 AM
Who is CC?
Carlton Cole off of West Ham
Dr.Gonzo
04-11-2009, 09:48 AM
It's a singing contest. Hell's Kitchen is a TV show, but you can't win it by dancing.
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 09:49 AM
Carlton Cole off of West Ham
Can't answer that - never heard of him - know bugger all about football!
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 09:51 AM
It's a singing contest. Hell's Kitchen is a TV show, but you can't win it by dancing.
Good point!
Crimson Dynamo
04-11-2009, 09:56 AM
Good point!
and how does one explain Leon Jackson?
unless he was a good cook
Kazanne
04-11-2009, 10:00 AM
and how does one explain Leon Jackson?
unless he was a good cook
One blames the public,they voted for him to win.
Dr.Gonzo
04-11-2009, 10:17 AM
and how does one explain Leon Jackson?
unless he was a good cook
indenial@graspingforstraws.com
30stone
04-11-2009, 10:23 AM
Its who has the full package type show.
Not just a singer, but a good personality, likeability, look..
Loukas
04-11-2009, 10:27 AM
A Reality TV Show with people that actually have talent. Not like bloody John & Edward!People may find them entertaining but i don't care they can't sing for s***!
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 10:28 AM
Its who has the full package type show.
Not just a singer, but a good personality, likeability, look..
The key point being - a singer. Some might prefer the winner to have what they consider a good personality, the likeability factor etc - as well as being able to sing.
J&E - whether or not people believe they have other attributes - no doubting the fact they can't sing. Therefore on the wrong show.
30stone
04-11-2009, 10:49 AM
The key point being - a singer. Some might prefer the winner to have what they consider a good personality, the likeability factor etc - as well as being able to sing.
J&E - whether or not people believe they have other attributes - no doubting the fact they can't sing. Therefore on the wrong show.
You have to be able to sing to win for me, but you cant be cocky rude or anything, and have to look at least half decent.
John and Edward wont win it, its just fact, and they dont deserve to.
Tracyjay
04-11-2009, 11:07 AM
Sting was on bbc this am and he said that the trouble with the X factor is the ability to mimic another talent such as Whitney or Mariah is encouraged and the true x factor, which is about having your own interesting, unique sound is discouraged.
so its really just a karaoke, impression show:sleep:
Adamw92
04-11-2009, 11:11 AM
It could be a bit of both, right now it's like 75% entertainment, 25% talent, it should be 50/50 at least
Crimson Dynamo
04-11-2009, 01:56 PM
Do you think that Miss World is about finding the worlds most beautiful well-rounded woman or is it about checking out some skirt in bikinis?
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 02:03 PM
Do you think that Miss World is about finding the worlds most beautiful well-rounded woman or is it about checking out some skirt in bikinis?
Did you ever see large ladies in the contest that were voted for on their personalities and likeability factor?
None of them. It's a 'whoever manages to make people cry thanks to their sob story' show. Just like 99.9% of reality TV shows.
yet there are no sob stories.
Its an entertainment show disguised as a singing competition. If it was truly a singing competition then the focus would be on the acts and not the whole panto (silly judges intros, booing etc) as well as having only very good people put through at the producer auditions, and not the likes of her with her dog.
If you think ITV care about the winner and what happens to acts after the show then you're sadly mistaken.
It is an entertainment show, not a singing competition. Yes it has singing in it and often we might talk about the singing... but it is so much more than that, it is more about the drama around the judges and about the comments made.
If you saw the audition process that is when you would notice it is an entertainment show, they pick bad singers on purpose, they pick people that look cute every year and they pick someone who is sexy every year. I saw the first hand and saw an Eoghan lookalike make it through... even though he forgot his words and couldn't sing. Wheras real talent doesnt make it through.
This show is invented to get viewers... not to launch an unknown singer into stardom, in fact... I bet half the people on the show come from agents.
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 02:53 PM
It is an entertainment show, not a singing competition. Yes it has singing in it and often we might talk about the singing... but it is so much more than that, it is more about the drama around the judges and about the comments made.
If you saw the audition process that is when you would notice it is an entertainment show, they pick bad singers on purpose, they pick people that look cute every year and they pick someone who is sexy every year. I saw the first hand and saw an Eoghan lookalike make it through... even though he forgot his words and couldn't sing. Wheras real talent doesnt make it through.
This show is invented to get viewers... not to launch an unknown singer into stardom, in fact... I bet half the people on the show come from agents.
Agree with some of what you say - but not all. Of course it's a tv entertainment show (it's on tv and it entertains) but the main premise of the show is based on a singing talent contest. It is a singing contest - with bling for entertainment purposes.
Look the pot of gold at the end of the show - the recording contract - is for singers - they can't give a contract to bad singers. Without that pot of gold at the end - less people would be bothered to audition - particularly the real talent - viewing figures would drop - end of show.
There is already Britain's Got Talent for other kinds of entertainment - x-factor is for singers. JEdward do not belong in this competition. Why didn't they enter the other one - because they are deluded - they think they can sing - but they can't. Louis only put them through to annoy Simon - he admitted it! Then all the teenage girls come out in their hoards with big crushes on them voting to keep them in. Louis probably guessed the teenage girls would behave like that - with his experience of boy bands - and knew he could create a headache for Simon.
The press latch onto this making a big thing of it - others jump on the bandwagon and vote for them as well - just to be controversial - and before you know it - it is no longer a singing competition (allegedly).
The press the show is getting is attracting more viewers - making even Simon happy - but that doesn't change the fact that it is a singing contest.
Crimson Dynamo
04-11-2009, 03:07 PM
snip...but that doesn't change the fact that it is a singing contest.
however we have judges with a vested interest in some acts who try as best they can to derail other acts.
so really, its not that much of a singing contest is it?
As tom puts it, it is an entertainment show disguised as a singing competition. Yes there is a pot of gold, but the path to getting that gold is very very twisted. And be assured... the people who finally get it, don't get it fully on their voice. I bet there are people who auditioned who can out sing both Alexandra and Leona...
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 03:15 PM
As tom puts it, it is an entertainment show disguised as a singing competition. Yes there is a pot of gold, but the path to getting that gold is very very twisted. And be assured... the people who finally get it, don't get it fully on their voice. I bet there are people who auditioned who can out sing both Alexandra and Leona...
Not saying they do - but they do need to able to sing - that is the main criteria.
setanta
04-11-2009, 03:16 PM
It's a big joke that Cowell has been playing for long enough and I hope that the public get the last laugh by crowing J and E as this years winner.
InOne
04-11-2009, 03:52 PM
A truly superficial show. Should be called SexFactor. I am not calling anyone on here who watches it, but it seems to appeal to a narrow minded mass audience who lap up sob stories, good looks and not very good music.
Jords
04-11-2009, 04:28 PM
Its a singing contest which is being fiddled about with too much to make it more appealing as a TV show, i.e. bad acts for humour.
Princess
04-11-2009, 04:32 PM
It's both. Most of it is an entertainment,but to be fair,usually like 80% of the acts are decent singers and the winner is always a good singer(well if we forget about Steve)
WOMBAI
04-11-2009, 04:32 PM
Its a singing contest which is being fiddled about with too much to make it more appealing as a TV show, i.e. bad acts for humour.
Agreed!
shaz20
05-11-2009, 05:33 AM
Agree with some of what you say - but not all. Of course it's a tv entertainment show (it's on tv and it entertains) but the main premise of the show is based on a singing talent contest. It is a singing contest - with bling for entertainment purposes.
Look the pot of gold at the end of the show - the recording contract - is for singers - they can't give a contract to bad singers. Without that pot of gold at the end - less people would be bothered to audition - particularly the real talent - viewing figures would drop - end of show.
There is already Britain's Got Talent for other kinds of entertainment - x-factor is for singers. JEdward do not belong in this competition. Why didn't they enter the other one - because they are deluded - they think they can sing - but they can't. Louis only put them through to annoy Simon - he admitted it! Then all the teenage girls come out in their hoards with big crushes on them voting to keep them in. Louis probably guessed the teenage girls would behave like that - with his experience of boy bands - and knew he could create a headache for Simon.
The press latch onto this making a big thing of it - others jump on the bandwagon and vote for them as well - just to be controversial - and before you know it - it is no longer a singing competition (allegedly).
The press the show is getting is attracting more viewers - making even Simon happy - but that doesn't change the fact that it is a singing contest.
Yes you are so right :hello::thumbs:
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