No surprise as Celtic fans did not observe minutes silence

[Crimson Dynamo]

They sang all the way through, some of them, but that is all you could hear on Radio Scotland - horrible republican songs too. last year they avoided this by having a minutes applause and lied about why.

Celtic are a disgrace.

[WOMBAI]

You do love provoking an argument - don't you?

Will bite you back one day!

[Novo]

Pure Scum

[Crimson Dynamo]

You do love provoking an argument - don't you?

Will bite you back one day!

Do you not think that it merits discussion, why should they get away with that?

[WOMBAI]

Do you not think that it merits discussion, why should they get away with that?

Don't know a thing about football! Just passing comment on the fact that you make an awful lot of controversial threads - often starting them off in quite a provocative manner.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't know a thing about football! Just passing comment on the fact that you make an awful lot of controversial threads - often starting them off in quite a provocative manner.

thanks:spin:

[Lauren]

It was a disgrace. I'm anti-celtic, though - so I shall try and post without the bias!

Fact is, most of them (80%) are fully thoroughbred Scottish. It's a Scottish club, not Irish. Therefore most of them had family fighting in the World Wars anyway. To do this is completely disrespecting their own ancestors, it's sickening. Secondly, the 20% that are ROI... ROI still honor Remembrance Day too. I don't know why they think they're above the law.

The video starts off with a small minority singing Republican songs but gradually a lot of crowd join in. I'm friends with a Celtic fan and they wouldn't dream of doing this, so I can only imagine that people bought tickets to that match specifically to cause trouble.

[InOne]

It was a disgrace. I'm anti-celtic, though - so I shall try and post without the bias!

Fact is, most of them (80%) are fully thoroughbred Scottish. It's a Scottish club, not Irish. Therefore most of them had family fighting in the World Wars anyway. To do this is completely disrespecting their own ancestors, it's sickening. Secondly, the 20% that are ROI... ROI still honor Remembrance Day too. I don't know why they think they're above the law.

The video starts off with a small minority singing Republican songs but gradually a lot of crowd join in. I'm friends with a Celtic fan and they wouldn't dream of doing this, so I can only imagine that people bought tickets to that match specifically to cause trouble.

Where is the vid? And Celtic were founded by an Irish monk.

[Niamh.]

Oh Come-on Celtic and Ranger fans are as bad as eachother!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Where is the vid? And Celtic were founded by an Irish monk.

Millwall were founded by Scottish dockers but you dont see them acting in a drunk aggressive manner. pissed half the time..





oh...:shocked:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh Come-on Celtic and Ranger fans are as bad as eachother!

that is not true. rangers fans are much better brought up and are not idol worshipers

[30stone]

Celtic fans singing over that was disgusting.
Heard about it on the day from lauren.

Just awful.

[InOne]

that is not true. rangers fans are much better brought up and are not idol worshipers

Erm, did you not see the way the Rangers fans smashed up Manchester?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Erm, did you not see the way the Rangers fans smashed up Manchester?

beat up a few coppers and threw some bottles, hardly smashed up.

there is worse in Norwich on a Saturday night.

[Stu]

Celtic fans and Ranger's fans both have there share of tag along's, identikit fans, and morons.

[Novo]

Celtic fans and Ranger's fans both have there share of tag along's, identikit fans, and morons.

Am sure every football club does

But i don't think many would resort to this

[Stu]

Am sure every football club does

But i don't think many would resort to this
Absolutely, well, some more than others - typically big clubs or clubs that have had sudden turn around in fortunes [see : Chelsea].

[setanta]

While I don't agree with the silly chanting that went on during the minutes silence, I do have a problem with the governments politicising of an event by turning it into a public relations campaign in an effort to gain public support for the illegitimate wars that they have been involved in recently. You're always going to run the risk of a reaction when you force it on people during a football game, particularly when it involves a team like Celtic who have a long history and association with Ireland's plight against British occupation.... you're playing with fire in a situation like that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

While I don't agree with the silly chanting that went on during the minutes silence, I do have a problem with the governments politicising of an event by turning it into a public relations campaign in an effort to gain public support for the illegitimate wars that they have been involved in recently. You're always going to run the risk of a reaction when you force it on people during a football game, particularly when it involves a team like Celtic who have a long history and association with Ireland's plight against British occupation.... you're playing with fire in a situation like that.

and what about common decency?

[Stu]

While I don't agree with the silly chanting that went on during the minutes silence, I do have a problem with the governments politicising of an event by turning it into a public relations campaign in an effort to gain public support for the illegitimate wars that they have been involved in recently. You're always going to run the risk of a reaction when you force it on people during a football game, particularly when it involves a team like Celtic who have a long history and association with Ireland's plight against British occupation.... you're playing with fire in a situation like that.
Well said. It's a bit like Harold & Kumar expecting to get a standing ovation at a BNP rally.

And it is indeed a public relations campaign also. Nobody wants to look out of line, but lets face it, whilst they have my sympathy, soldiers died in Afghanistan because they signed up to be a soldier. Just like suicide, it's a very unfair thing to those who love you, because you run the risk of, I don't know, say being shot in the head.

Of course people still get brainwashed into it because they believe you are fighting for the 'honor' and 'dignity' of your country. Let others take care of it and serve your country in a real way, instead of being a tool of a military operation even those running it cant understand.

and what about common decency?
Nobody is denying the Celtic fans showed a complete lack of decency, I think the point being made was surely everyone involved beforehand knew it was going to happen.

[30stone]

Every other country took part in this.
Even the ones in f.a cup on the day ones that are in leagues most people havent even heard of.

And no one was like celtic..

[Lee.]

Millwall were founded by Scottish dockers but you dont see them acting in a drunk aggressive manner. pissed half the time..





oh...:shocked:

Tsk... are you insunuating that all Scottish people are pissed half the time and act in an agrresive manner?? :nono:

[setanta]

Every other country took part in this.
Even the ones in f.a cup on the day ones that are in leagues most people havent even heard of.

And no one was like celtic..

It's what the British army represents for Celtic football club and with Catholics/Irish in general that's the problem here. There was always going to be a reaction however illjudged it inevitably was.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tsk... are you insunuating that all Scottish people are pissed half the time and act in an agrresive manner?? :nono:

no, it was just a lucky guess

[Stu]

It's what the British army represents for Celtic football club and with Catholics/Irish in general that's the problem here. There was always going to be a reaction however illjudged it inevitably was.
Exactly.

You have to appreciate there is a conflict of interest with remembrance day as you are remembering an army that inevitably did do, amongst other things, rape, beat and kill Irish people for quiet a number of years. I know the Irish also fought in both World War's with the British but that's a whole different story.

[setanta]

Exactly.

You have to appreciate there is a conflict of interest with remembrance day as you are remembering an army that inevitably did do, amongst other things, rape, beat and kill Irish people for quiet a number of years. I know the Irish also fought in both World War's with the British but that's a whole different story.

Yeah but sure alot of them were kinda coerced into doing so during the First World War and unfortunately their names haven't been been paid tribute to in the manner their heroism deserves.

I wonder what would happen if Celtic decided to have a minutes silence in memory of the victims of Bloody Sunday during an Old Firm clash?

[Niamh.]

Yeah but sure alot of them were kinda coerced into doing so during the First World War and unfortunately their names haven't been been paid tribute to in the manner their heroism deserves.

I wonder what would happen if Celtic decided to have a minutes silence in memory of the victims of Bloody Sunday during an Old Firm clash?

haha, yeah, you hit the nail on the head there but It would be wrong of Celtic fans then too I suppose!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Exactly.

You have to appreciate there is a conflict of interest with remembrance day as you are remembering an army that inevitably did do, amongst other things, rape, beat and kill Irish people for quiet a number of years. I know the Irish also fought in both World War's with the British but that's a whole different story.

and so to recognise that you deliberately sing and chant during a minutes silence which is specifically about the 2 world wars in which thousands of Irish died to keep The UK free from Nazi takeover?

[Stu]

and so to recognise that you deliberately sing and chant during a minutes silence which is specifically about the 2 world wars in which thousands of Irish died to keep The UK free from Nazi takeover?
Spotted this coming from a mile off, such is your predictability.

No. I never said that. Stop putting words in peoples mouths and making assumptions on behalf all the time. ****ing hell man.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah but sure alot of them were kinda coerced into doing so during the First World War and unfortunately their names haven't been been paid tribute to in the manner their heroism deserves.

I wonder what would happen if Celtic decided to have a minutes silence in memory of the victims of Bloody Sunday during an Old Firm clash?

they do that everytime we score, often it lasts for like 20 minutes


:devil:

[Stu]

they do that everytime we score, often it lasts for like 20 minutes

Aha. And so bias rears it's ugly head.

[setanta]

Aha. And so bias rears it's ugly head.

Yep, spotted that too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who I support does not make what happened at the Falkirk stadium any less or any more. It is irrelevant.

[setanta]

Who I support does not make what happened at the Falkirk stadium any less or any more. It is irrelevant.

Of course it does because you have a blatantly obvious agenda here which renders you incapable of actually having a discussion on this topic.

[30stone]

Remembering those who died.
Everyone should have done it.

[Lee.]

no, it was just a lucky guess

:joker:

[Stu]

Remembering those who died.
Everyone should have done it.
People have there reasons. Bear in mind these people have died for the freedom for people to not remember them.

I find it worse when people get all loving and remembering during remembrance, but do they remember during allllll those other day's of the year?

It's such a fad in many cases. And specially for LeatherTrumpet, note I said 'many cases' not 'it is a fad in all cases and nazi's are awesome'.

[InOne]

For this topic, I call Godwins law.

[setanta]

For this topic, I call Godwins law.

I like it.

[Lee.]

For this topic, I call Godwins law.

Who mentioned it first?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course it does because you have a blatantly obvious agenda here which renders you incapable of actually having a discussion on this topic.

why?

why would my disgust at not staying silent to remember the sacrifice that young men made to protect my country in any way be tarnished because I happen to support rangers. does the club i support preclude me. Why are lots of other posters disgusted?

what agenda other than being a human do i need to be appalled?

[InOne]

Who mentioned it first?

Dunno lol but it has been mentioned a few times.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For this topic, I call Godwins law.

in a discussion about War dead and world wars I think you may be barking up the wrong internet only based fake law

[Stu]

why?

why would my disgust at not staying silent to remember the sacrifice that young men made to protect my country in any way be tarnished because I happen to support rangers. does the club i support preclude me. Why are lots of other posters disgusted?

what agenda other than being a human do i need to be appalled?
Your viewing it in narrow terms to suit your own needs, as usual. None of us are defending what the Celtic fans did.

[setanta]

why?

why would my disgust at not staying silent to remember the sacrifice that young men made to protect my country in any way be tarnished because I happen to support rangers. does the club i support preclude me. Why are lots of other posters disgusted?

what agenda other than being a human do i need to be appalled?

We've gone over this already but you just continue to not see the other side of the coin here and involve yourself in a balanced, rather than reactionary discussion.

[InOne]

in a discussion about War dead and world wars I think you may be barking up the wrong internet only based fake law

This is about Irish Scottish and English people. Also football. The war is the theme, but the actual topic is about the way people reacted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We've gone over this already but you just continue to not see the other side of the coin here and involve yourself in a balanced, rather than reactionary discussion.

there is no other side of the coin just the tired clutching at straws republican argument that no one ever pays any attention too.

check your local media for details. I have also not heard Celtic make your case, which is strange would you not think?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is about Irish Scottish and English people. Also football. The war is the theme, but the actual topic is about the way people reacted.

reacted to what?

[Stu]

I have also not heard Celtic make your case, which is strange would you not think?
Again, none of us are defending them, you twit.

[InOne]

reacted to what?

Well what happened and that. And the way they reacted to the minutes silence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well what happened and that. And the way they reacted to the minutes silence.

minutes silence to commemorate what?

[setanta]

there is no other side of the coin just the tired clutching at straws republican argument that no one ever pays any attention too.

check your local media for details. I have also not heard Celtic make your case, which is strange would you not think?

Again, we've discussed this already and I'm not even a Celtic fan.... I just like to see things from other perspectives rather than to indulge in rhetoric. You're just stating the same reactionary views all the time - I don't see you trying to understand where we're coming from here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again, none of us are defending them, you twit.

no, you were just playing apologist...

and its Mr Twit to you

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again, we've discussed this already and I'm not even a Celtic fan.... I just like to see things from other perspectives rather than to indulge in rhetoric. You're just stating the same reactionary views all the time - I don't see you trying to understand where we're coming from here.

so your not defending them?

[InOne]

minutes silence to commemorate what?

You have to understand that there will always be tension. What they did was wrong, but people don't just forget the past.

[Stu]

no, you were just playing apologist...

and its Mr Twit to you
No, wrong. I was saying I can understand why people would not participate in remembrance day, but made it quiet clear I did not support the way they went about it.

If your going to base everything on assumption, at least be good at making assumptions.

Here's a hint : Your not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You have to understand that there will always be tension. What they did was wrong, but people don't just forget the past.

Should the Falkirk fans have been cross with Celtic because of the indigenous celts that came across and killed lots of Picts?

how far back will you go?

[Stu]

Should the Falkirk fans have been cross with Celtic because of the indigenous celts that came across and killed lots of Picts?

how far back will you go?
I can actually honest to god feel the hair on my head splitting.

[setanta]

so your not defending them?

Oh my God, do you read anything we type? Go back over it and realise that we're trying to discuss the whole incident rather than apportion blame.

[InOne]

Should the Falkirk fans have been cross with Celtic because of the indigenous celts that came across and killed lots of Picts?

how far back will you go?

Well when people alive today can remember what has happened in the past. So stop being silly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh my God, do you read anything we type? Go back over it and realise that we're trying to discuss the whole incident rather than apportion blame.

Originally Posted by setanta
It's what the British army represents for Celtic football club and with Catholics/Irish in general


that sounds like the case for the defence.

and what does the British army represent for Celtic Football club?:conf:


I would imagine the same as it represents for Torquay or Manchester City

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well when people alive today can remember what has happened in the past. So stop being silly.

So you think it was just Irish born celtic fans who were chanting?

Surely it could not have been Scottish ones then?

[InOne]

So you think it was just Irish born celtic fans who were chanting?

Surely it could not have been Scottish ones then?

Well you are very aware of the Glasgow divide i'm sure.

[Lauren]

So you think it was just Irish born celtic fans who were chanting?

Surely it could not have been Scottish ones then?

Most Celtic fans are Scottish, henceforth BRITISH. They align themselves with Irish, for sure - but they're British. Of course there are some Irish fans, but the majority are Eastern Glaswegian. The club is British, and should honour that. Like I've stated, not all the fans were disrespectful, but as the silence went on a lot more fans joined in with the chanting.

Celtic Park have even banned UK flags in their stadium because it represents loyalists (fair enough, on old firm days, but what about other matches?).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well you are very aware of the Glasgow divide i'm sure.

Don't tell me Paulo Nutini has a centre parting now?:shocked:

[setanta]

Originally Posted by setanta
It's what the British army represents for Celtic football club and with Catholics/Irish in general


that sounds like the case for the defence.

and what does the British army represent for Celtic Football club?:conf:


I would imagine the same as it represents for Torquay or Manchester City

It's not a defence; it's trying to understand the reasoning behind their reaction. But you're incapable of listening to anything we say and instead you cut and paste small segments of our comments in an effort to pigeonhole us. Read my initial post and you'll see that I don't condone their behaviour but I can understand where it's coming from.

[Lauren]

It's not a defence; it's trying to understand the reasoning behind their reaction. But you're incapable of listening to anything we say and instead you cut and paste small segments of our comments in an effort to pigeonhole us. Read my initial post and you'll see that I don't condone their behaviour but I can understand where it's coming from.

Yeah, despite my post, I can understand where it comes from. I honestly think that most of them would be ashamed of their behaviour if their workmates etc had seen that they'd sang over the silence though. A lot of men will have family members currently serving, too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Interesting to note that all around the North of Ireland yesterday the minutes silences were impeccably observed at football matches..

hang on dont the irish Catholics in those audiences have some axes to grind?

oh
dear

[Crimson Dynamo]

and Celtic's current main man is...



ex British Government defence secretary John Reid


you could not make it up

[setanta]

and Celtic's current main man is...



ex British Government defence secretary John Reid


you could not make it up

Well I don't know much about Celtic itself but placing someone like that in a high position within a club that's been long known for it's sectarian leanings could be looked on as a type of political coup, don't you think? I mean in terms of PR you can't go wrong having someone like that as your chairman.

[Stu]

Interesting to note that all around the North of Ireland yesterday the minutes silences were impeccably observed at football matches..

hang on dont the irish Catholics in those audiences have some axes to grind?

oh
dear
They do, but like I said, and like you keep ignoring, they found the Celtic method obviously a tad disrespectful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They do, but like I said, and like you keep ignoring, they found the Celtic method obviously a tad disrespectful.

so what point are making?

[Stu]

so what point are making?
That things are not as pathetically black and white as you see them. You seem to think people either partake in remembrance day OR don an SS uniform and parade Piccadilly square goosestepping.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That things are not as pathetically black and white as you see them. You seem to think people either partake in remembrance day OR don an SS uniform and parade Piccadilly square goosestepping.

as i suspected


you did not have one

[Lauren]

as i suspected


you did not have one


Stu's point is probably the most intelligent one in this thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Stu's point is probably the most intelligent one in this thread.

there is nothing intelligent in what occurred at the Falkirk stadium, not is there in accusation of bias (and note none was returned at 2 Irish posters) nor is their intelligence at calling posters names because you disagree with them.

[Lauren]

there is nothing intelligent in what occurred at the Falkirk stadium, not is there in accusation of bias (and note none was returned at 2 Irish posters) nor is their intelligence at calling posters names because you disagree with them.

Neither of which Stu did in the particular point he made...

[Stu]

there is nothing intelligent in what occurred at the Falkirk stadium, not is there in accusation of bias (and note none was returned at 2 Irish posters) nor is their intelligence at calling posters names because you disagree with them.
Have you read ANYTHING I have posted?

And obviously, yes, being Irish - one would imagine - would play a deciding role in which bracket you class yourself into in this whole mess :rolleyes:. That's like saying the family's of 9/11 victims should be impartial about the Al Qaeda and admit a few of them are cracking folks.

And as for the names, well, you deserve it. You said I had no point simply because you disagreed with it. Your a disgrace. Your a grown adult and you cant hold a debate to save your life, yet get off on creating them every 24 hours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you read ANYTHING I have posted?

And obviously, yes, being Irish - one would imagine - would play a deciding role in which bracket you class yourself into in this whole mess :rolleyes:. That's like saying the family's of 9/11 victims should be impartial about the Al Qaeda and admit a few of them are cracking folks.

And as for the names, well, you deserve it. You said I had no point simply because you disagreed with it. Your a disgrace. Your a grown adult and you cant hold a debate to save your life, yet get off on creating them every 24 hours.

insults, attack and yet very little to say about the lack of protest at irish games this weekend?

[Stu]

insults, attack and yet very little to say about the lack of protest at irish games this weekend?
Like Setanta said, the answers to your questions are in all my old posts. Your head is just jammed so far up your ass that you cant seem to see them. That's your problem, kid, not mine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Like Setanta said, the answers to your questions are in all my old posts. Your head is just jammed so far up your ass that you cant seem to see them. That's your problem, kid, not mine.

"They do, but like I said, and like you keep ignoring, they found the Celtic method obviously a tad disrespectful. "

"That things are not as pathetically black and white as you see them. You seem to think people either partake in remembrance day OR don an SS uniform and parade Piccadilly square goosestepping. "


The above are your "answers" to that point, these are the posts that you grandly refer too

[Stu]

None of us are defending what the Celtic fans did.

Again, none of us are defending them, you twit.

I can understand why people would not participate in remembrance day, but made it quiet clear I did not support the way they went about it.

Nobody is denying the Celtic fans showed a complete lack of decency

Perhaps you should try reading more. That seems to be your biggest flaw.

[alc09]

Thats dreadful from Celtic fans.

****ing disrespectful, hideous, child-absuing, paedophile-approving, Pope-loving, inbred wankers.

I'd send each one for a ten minute meeting in the prison cell of the Dniporidnhsgdahdhjcbski Maniacs.

[Niamh.]

Thats dreadful from Celtic fans.

****ing disrespectful, hideous, child-absuing, paedophile-approving, Pope-loving, inbred wankers.

I'd send each one for a ten minute meeting in the prison cell of the Dniporidnhsgdahdhjcbski Maniacs.

and you say the Celtic fans are disrespectful!!!:joker:

[Lauren]

...lol

[Novo]

Alc

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Perhaps you should try reading more. That seems to be your biggest flaw.

and so what is your point I ask yet again?:sleep:

[Braden]

i hate celtic !,
rangers all the way

[setanta]

and so what is your point I ask yet again?:sleep:

We've made our points heard on countless occassions but it seems like you're incapable of reading them and would rather play your little games instead of engaging in a proper, mature discussion on the subject.

[Stu]

and so what is your point I ask yet again?:sleep:
My point was simply counterattacking your point. Your point seemingly one that people are either participating in remembrance day or disrespecting it in the worst way possible.

Of course, you realise all of this now, thanks to the quotes I gave you, and we all made it perfectly clear, so you have nothing to do but back into a corner as you usually do and resort to tedium and ''whats your point''. I expect the abstract comments regarding nothing in particular to follow shortly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

My point was simply counterattacking your point. Your point seemingly one that people are either participating in remembrance day or disrespecting it in the worst way possible.

Of course, you realise all of this now, thanks to the quotes I gave you, and we all made it perfectly clear, so you have nothing to do but back into a corner as you usually do and resort to tedium and ''whats your point''. I expect the abstract comments regarding nothing in particular to follow shortly.

My point was simply counterattacking your point. Your point seemingly one that people are either participating in remembrance day or disrespecting it in the worst way possible.

Of course, you realise all of this now, thanks to the quotes I gave you, and we all made it perfectly clear, so you have nothing to do but back into a corner as you usually do and resort to tedium and ''whats your point''. I expect the abstract comments regarding nothing in particular to follow shortly.


:cheer2:

[Stu]

Wow, you done my one better! Thanks!