View Full Version : Same-sex adoption.
Arneldo
12-11-2009, 10:12 PM
discuss.
LemonJam
12-11-2009, 10:18 PM
If they are two loving parents that will take great care of the child, why not?
-expects to be told why-
i have no problem, as long as these children are brought up with love, discipline and respect for others.
bronaaaa
12-11-2009, 10:23 PM
It helps unwanted babies, so I'm all for it. Better let a child expirence real love then none because both parents are male/female
InOne
12-11-2009, 10:24 PM
Yeah no problem either. Live and let live.
setanta
12-11-2009, 10:29 PM
No problem with at all, especially since I think that same sex relationships seem to have less hostility involved with them in general, which probably stems from my own experiences. Women and men just rub each other the wrong way.... statistics prove it. I think it could be argued that a more loving enviroment might stem from same sex partnerships.
Twilight
12-11-2009, 10:38 PM
I don't have a problem with it at all.
Wildcat!
12-11-2009, 10:39 PM
No problem with at all, especially since I think that same sex relationships seem to have less hostility involved with them in general, which probably stems from my own experiences. Women and men just rub each other the wrong way.... statistics prove it. I think it could be argued that a more loving enviroment might stem from same sex partnerships.
I am sorry, but what???. WOmen and men rub each other the wrong way, and there is more love in gay relationship!! WTH??
FIne if you are OK with same sex adoption ( I am not by the way), but to say for some reason that Gay relationships are healthier than straight?
InOne
12-11-2009, 10:40 PM
I am sorry, but what???. WOmen and men rub each other the wrong way, and there is more love in gay relationship!! WTH??
FIne if you are OK with same sex adoption ( I am not by the way), but too say for ome reason that Gay relationships are healthier than straight? Cmon now.
Why are you not ok with it?
setanta
12-11-2009, 10:40 PM
I am sorry, but what???. WOmen and men rub each other the wrong way, and there is more love in gay relationship!! WTH??
FIne if you are OK with same sex adoption ( I am not by the way), but too say for ome reason that Gay relationships are healthier than straight? Cmon now.
No no, I don't mean that it's that cut and dry lol; it's just an opinion of mine seeing as divorce rates are climbing yearly.
Jack_
12-11-2009, 10:42 PM
I'm all for it, and if there was more of it I think the next generation would be brought up to accept homosexuality.
Wildcat!
12-11-2009, 10:43 PM
No no, I don't mean that it's that cut and dry lol; it's just an opinion of mine seeing as divorce rates are climbing yearly.
HOw many gay couples get married? Of course their divorce rate is lower.
ANd how long was it even allowed to have gay marriges?
Anyways, yeah I dont think it should be dissallowed the gay adoption but straight couple should be the priority imo.
I dont think theres anything wrong with it.
Maybe children would turn out better if they had a male and a female parent,but if a couple will try their best to be good parents then I dont think gender matters.
setanta
12-11-2009, 10:48 PM
HOw many gay couples get married? Of course their divorce rate is lower.
ANd how long was it even allowed to have gay marriges?
Anyways, yeah I dont think it should be dissallowed the gay adoption but straight couple should be the priority imo.
I'm not talking about just marriage; I'm talking about relationships here and cases of domestic abuse and marriage break ups that are happening all the time. It's doubtful that there's as many bust ups in gay partnerships... hey, I might be wrong but I just think that opposite sexes drive each demented on occassion lol.
_Seth
12-11-2009, 11:31 PM
Is there any reason as to why it would be a bad thing? Of course not. ;) Apart from any severe bullying the child might suffer throughout school because of having gay parents.
Jords
12-11-2009, 11:31 PM
There is no problem, the child will recieve loving and all that it needs.
Just the thing comes down to, when the child gets older (were talking secondary school), s/he may not like the fact he has 2 mums or dads, and s/he may get bullied about it at school, I know id find it wierd.
Also they may encourage the child to become gay/lez, which I dont agree with, the child should be left to sort that out for him/herself.
Basically, its not from our point of view which is any problem, (i find it ok, but if i was the child i would find it wierd having 2 parents of the same sex and wouldn't like it, but ofc would be apprecitive and wouldnt show this) its if the child will feel comfortable about it, which it wont know till its older and the parents have grown to love him/her..
MiuMiu
13-11-2009, 12:02 AM
I'm all for it!
:D
Princess
13-11-2009, 12:06 AM
I can't remember which book it was,but they said something like all same-sex couples love their kids so much cos they had to fight so hard to have a child in the first place.
The only argument I've ever heard against it is that the kid will get bullied. Which is stupid because kid's get bullied for all sorts and most kids are a lot more accepting than people give them credit for
I completely disagree with it and think its completely wrong. I'm gay and would never even consider whether I would like to have a child because it's not about what I want it's about the child, who deserves to grow up in a normal family situation with both a male and female parent.
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 09:25 AM
Two men together looking adopting children, no. 2 women no problem but down the pecking order from a normal male female.
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 10:41 AM
HOw many gay couples get married? Of course their divorce rate is lower.
ANd how long was it even allowed to have gay marriges?
Anyways, yeah I dont think it should be dissallowed the gay adoption but straight couple should be the priority imo.
I agree with this^^^^
It's not that I don't think same sex couples wouldn't do a good job, I just think that having both a mother & a father is a more "ideal" situation. I have 2 kids 1 boy and 1 girl and especially for my son there are alot of things that my husband gives to my son that I couldn't. He benefits greatly from having a father in his life.
I completely disagree with it and think its completely wrong. I'm gay and would never even consider whether I would like to have a child because it's not about what I want it's about the child, who deserves to grow up in a normal family situation with both a male and female parent.
Unless it happens though then the child is never going to accept anything outside of what we now know as a 'normal' family situation. I imagine if a kid was raised by two men, the kid would see that as fairly normal by his standards.
What about kids with one parent? Or alcoholic parents? Or the thousands of other abnormal family situations out there? Should we take the kids from them, yeah?
Parents should be judged on how good they are at parenting. Not at what's in they're pants.
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 11:20 AM
Unless it happens though then the child is never going to accept anything outside of what we now know as a 'normal' family situation. I imagine if a kid was raised by two men, the kid would see that as fairly normal by his standards.
What about kids with one parent? Or alcoholic parents? Or the thousands of other abnormal family situations out there? Should we take the kids from them, yeah?
Parents should be judged on how good they are at parenting. Not at what's in they're pants.
That's all very true but "ideally" I think having both a male & a female parent is better. I accept that there are plenty of bad hetrosexual parents and plenty of very good same sex parents but If I had a choice of putting a child into a good hetro couple family or a good same sex couple family, I would choose the former as I believe children benefit more from having both male & female inputs and role models.
arsenalforever
13-11-2009, 11:28 AM
That's all very true but "ideally" I think having both a male & a female parent is better. I accept that there are plenty of bad hetrosexual parents and plenty of very good same sex parents but If I had a choice of putting a child into a good hetro couple family or a good same sex couple family, I would choose the former as I believe children benefit more from having both male & female inputs and role models.
i disagree if the parents are loving and caring it doesn't matter what sex they are
if the those same sex parents pas down the right morals to the kid then it doesn't matter
Lauren
13-11-2009, 11:28 AM
i have no problem, as long as these children are brought up with love, discipline and respect for others.
Exactly this, and it's my view for m-f couples too.
That's all very true but "ideally" I think having both a male & a female parent is better. I accept that there are plenty of bad hetrosexual parents and plenty of very good same sex parents but If I had a choice of putting a child into a good hetro couple family or a good same sex couple family, I would choose the former as I believe children benefit more from having both male & female inputs and role models.
Again for me I think it just goes in a circle right back to how good a set of parents they are. I don't believe by default that a heterosexual couple is automatically 'better'. Same goes for homosexual couples, to be fair.
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 11:35 AM
Again for me I think it just goes in a circle right back to how good a set of parents they are. I don't believe by default that a heterosexual couple is automatically 'better'. Same goes for homosexual couples, to be fair.
No, you're right of course not, I'm talking purely on If it was decision between 2 sets of parents who were equally as good as eachother than I would pick the mother & father option. Of course, in reality, there is no way of telling who is going to be the better parents just by interviewing them!
And back to what I said originally, my son has a great relationship with his dad and I would hate If he didn't have a father in his life, of course just cos you do have a father in your life doesn't automatically mean he'll teach you great things and you'll have a great relationship with him either.
setanta
13-11-2009, 01:11 PM
Give them a chance for fecks sake. It's highly doubtful that they'll balls it up as often as heterosexual relationships have done and continue to do.
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 01:11 PM
i have no problem, as long as these children are brought up with love, discipline and respect for others.
do you mean in the world that the Waltons live in?
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 01:36 PM
I see no reason why they shouldnt
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 01:45 PM
what is the success rate of male male civil partnerships?
and how monogamous are they?
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 02:04 PM
"Grew said that the low rate so far of gay divorce - known as 'dissolution' of a civil partnership - and the long time spent together by many couples who form one, 'shows that gay people are treating them with due solemnity and respect. Generally, they take them more seriously than many people who get married. The people who go for it are older, have been together longer and have more committed relationships. That's why we won't see the 40 per cent or 50 per cent divorce rates we see in heterosexual marriages,' he said."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/03/gayrights.world
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 02:17 PM
The numbers are so small as to negate much debate it seems.
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 02:19 PM
The numbers are so small as to negate much debate it seems.
lol rite o
setanta
13-11-2009, 02:21 PM
"Grew said that the low rate so far of gay divorce - known as 'dissolution' of a civil partnership - and the long time spent together by many couples who form one, 'shows that gay people are treating them with due solemnity and respect. Generally, they take them more seriously than many people who get married. The people who go for it are older, have been together longer and have more committed relationships. That's why we won't see the 40 per cent or 50 per cent divorce rates we see in heterosexual marriages,' he said."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/03/gayrights.world
Thanks Netto. Like I said, give them a go at it.... I doubt they'll f it up as often as male/female relationships do with their children.
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 02:34 PM
"Grew said that the low rate so far of gay divorce - known as 'dissolution' of a civil partnership - and the long time spent together by many couples who form one, 'shows that gay people are treating them with due solemnity and respect. Generally, they take them more seriously than many people who get married. The people who go for it are older, have been together longer and have more committed relationships. That's why we won't see the 40 per cent or 50 per cent divorce rates we see in heterosexual marriages,' he said."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/03/gayrights.world
I don't know about that, I mean people are people at the end of the day, whether you're gay or straight If you're the type of person to cheat or do whatever thing that breaks up a marriage, Thats down to somebodies personality not their sexual orientation surely?
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 02:34 PM
Thanks Netto. Like I said, give them a go at it.... I doubt they'll f it up as often as male/female relationships do with their children.
but most do not, like all of us on here:blush:
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 02:38 PM
I don't know about that, I mean people are people at the end of the day, whether you're gay or straight If you're the type of person to cheat or do whatever thing that breaks up a marriage, Thats down to somebodies personality not their sexual orientation surely?
Im just printing the statistics
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 02:44 PM
Im just printing the statistics
It was a prediction though, he said "why we won't see" . Marriage is only a new thing for Gay couples so It's not a fair comparison imo
Like I said, people are people, I think it's ridiculous to say Gay people are more commited in relationships, everyone is an individual so you can't just generalise like that
setanta
13-11-2009, 02:44 PM
but most do not, like all of us on here:blush:
Doubt it. I'm sure that most on here have been affected by marital breakdowns in one way or another.
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 02:45 PM
I would not like to be the kid at school with 2 dads that is for sure.
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 02:46 PM
It was a prediction though, he said "why we won't see" . Marriage is only a new thing for Gay couples so It's not a fair comparison imo
Like I said, people are people, I think it's ridiculous to say Gay people are more commited in relationships, everyone is an individual so you can't just generalise like that
that bit at the end was yeh but the number of gay divorces is something like 1% at the moment compared to 40/50 % hetero but its early days...personally I dont see their being much difference between them in the future, but maybe we will see that same sex couples have more understanding of each other and that helps them stay together who knows
30stone
13-11-2009, 02:47 PM
I think it could be argued that a more loving enviroment might stem from same sex partnerships.
What?
and what about the riducule?
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 02:48 PM
Doubt it. I'm sure that most on here have been affected by marital breakdowns in one way or another.
mental, I would give you
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 02:49 PM
What?
and what about the riducule?
i think the poster is referring to happy land where the liberals run free and you get lager out of the cold tap.
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 02:50 PM
Doubt it. I'm sure that most on here have been affected by marital breakdowns in one way or another.
Yes, you're right but at the same time, I don't think it's fair to suggest that same sex couples would be any different, relationships are relationships after all
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 02:51 PM
What?
and what about the riducule?
People get ridiculed for all sorts of reasons, wearing glasses, ginger hair etc...its not right for people to have to change because of bullies. Bullying needs to be tackled by society...
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 02:52 PM
People get ridiculed for all sorts of reasons, wearing glasses, ginger hair etc...its not right for people to have to change because of bullies. Bullying needs to be tackled by society...
again in "happyland"
30stone
13-11-2009, 02:55 PM
People get ridiculed for all sorts of reasons, wearing glasses, ginger hair etc...its not right for people to have to change because of bullies. Bullying needs to be tackled by society...
Bullying wont stop, EVER.
people get picked on every day at school and it doesnt stop until they move school sometimes.. it happens again.
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 02:55 PM
again in "happyland"
Right so what your saying is a ginger haired boy should dye his hair incase of ridicule? Or should we as a society say ridicule is wrong? We've come along way because people have fought prejudice Trumpet dude, so dont give me "its the way it is bollox"! If we all had that attitude we'd still be sat round the fire in our caves mate!
setanta
13-11-2009, 02:55 PM
i think the poster is referring to happy land where the liberals run free and you get lager out of the cold tap.
Happy land? What are you talking about? Don't hide behind your own ignorance and fear of other ways and methods of living. It's not as black and white as that... you're far too rigid.
I'm simply stating that same sex partnerships should be given that opportunity to nurture and love a child if they've been together for a significant length of time. The cold reality it that divorce rates are climbing all the time and domestic abuse is everywhere in heterosexual relationships. They're not exactly working so why not allow same sex relationships to have a child?
setanta
13-11-2009, 02:57 PM
Yes, you're right but at the same time, I don't think it's fair to suggest that same sex couples would be any different, relationships are relationships after all
Well I don't really think there's the same level of violence in same sex relationships as there is in heterosexual ones. I could be wrong but I'd say the stats would back me up on my assumption.
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 02:57 PM
Bullying wont stop, EVER.
people get picked on every day at school and it doesnt stop until they move school sometimes.. it happens again.
No but prejudice can be tackled and has been, and not by hiding away either
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 02:59 PM
I'd just like to make it clear to everyone that my only problem with same sex couples having children is the fact that I think it's better for children to have a mother and a fathers input. Yes I'm aware that there are lots of single parents etc out there but I'm talking in "an ideal world" scenario. and yes, I also know that we don't live in an ideal world but these are just my thoughts on it!
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 03:00 PM
Well I don't really think there's the same level of violence in same sex relationships as there is in heterosexual ones. I could be wrong but I'd say the stats would back me up on my assumption.
It kind of makes sense that both would understand each other better and their less likely to be the same kind of power struggles I guess
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 03:01 PM
Well I don't really think there's the same level of violence in same sex relationships as there is in heterosexual ones. I could be wrong but I'd say the stats would back me up on my assumption.
I couldn't even comment on it tbh, I have no idea what the statistics are for either hetro or same sex couples in regards to domestic violence!
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 03:02 PM
Right so what your saying is a ginger haired boy should dye his hair incase of ridicule? Or should we as a society say ridicule is wrong? We've come along way because people have fought prejudice Trumpet dude, so dont give me "its the way it is bollox"! If we all had that attitude we'd still be sat round the fire in our caves mate!
No I am saying I would not like to be the wee boy at school with 2 dads. I think where possible we should have mums and dads and we should do everything we can to maintain that.
I know that lots of gay folks are on dj and tibb and it can get a little squewed in terms of influence but with 1-5 % of the population and then a tiny percentage of that having a CP and wanting to adopt, there are bigger fish to fry in terms of adoption.
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 03:02 PM
I'd just like to make it clear to everyone that my only problem with same sex couples having children is the fact that I think it's better for children to have a mother and a fathers input. Yes I'm aware that there are lots of single parents etc out there but I'm talking in "an ideal world" scenario. and yes, I also know that we don't live in an ideal world but these are just my thoughts on it!
Yeh I agree with you that all children should have male and female role models that have a big part in their life. So if same sex couples do apopt it would be healthier for the children if they did have a good role model of the opposite sex....thats an ideal situation and their are plenty of kids that dont even have two parents so why not give same sex couples a go
setanta
13-11-2009, 03:03 PM
It kind of makes sense that both would understand each other better and their less likely to be the same kind of power struggles I guess
That's what I've always thought. Hey, I love women but at the same time they drive me nuts, as I'm sure I do them. I think in a perfect world we'd ride each other for babies and then have same sex partners to nurture the children ha ha. But yeah, that would never happen... think we enjoy the drama too much.
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 03:03 PM
It kind of makes sense that both would understand each other better and their less likely to be the same kind of power struggles I guess
yeah, and they would not be arguing about periods mood swings and leaving the loo seat up as well...:whistle:
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 03:03 PM
yeah, and they would not be arguing about periods mood swings and leaving the loo seat up as well...:whistle:
lol
30stone
13-11-2009, 03:05 PM
No but prejudice can be tackled and has been, and not by hiding away either
Yeah but on a school layground it will still happen?
Normal kid
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid with 2 dads.
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid..
Who they gunna pick on.
setanta
13-11-2009, 03:05 PM
I'd just like to make it clear to everyone that my only problem with same sex couples having children is the fact that I think it's better for children to have a mother and a fathers input. Yes I'm aware that there are lots of single parents etc out there but I'm talking in "an ideal world" scenario. and yes, I also know that we don't live in an ideal world but these are just my thoughts on it!
Yes, but I'm sure that the children would be given a role model from both sexes. It's not like gays live in a lezzer or gay retreat with no other influences or friends. I'm sure they'd have an understanding of how important it is for the child to have that connection.
setanta
13-11-2009, 03:06 PM
yeah, and they would not be arguing about periods mood swings and leaving the loo seat up as well...:whistle:
God, phone the NSPCC quick.
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 03:11 PM
Yes, but I'm sure that the children would be given a role model from both sexes. It's not like gays live in a lezzer or gay retreat with no other influences or friends. I'm sure they'd have an understanding of how important it is for the child to have that connection.
Yes, I'm sure you're right and that's great but It's not the same as having a parent of each sex as a role model. Nobody loves or cares for their own kids like an actual parent does and there is no substitute for that.
setanta
13-11-2009, 03:14 PM
Yes, I'm sure you're right and that's great but It's not the same as having a parent of each sex as a role model. Nobody loves or cares for their own kids like an actual parent does and there is no substitute for that.
Nah, I think you're being too rigid in ur belief system here. Any male or female role model can have a profound influence on you, whether they be father, uncle, grandfather...whatever. As long as there's love in your life it really doesn't matter where it comes from. I agree they need to associate with both sexes for a healthy balanced outllook, but that connection can come from anywhere as long as they're in a warm, loving enviroment.
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 03:17 PM
Nah, I think you're being too rigid in ur belief system here. Any male or female role model can have a profound influence on you, whether they be father, uncle, grandfather...whatever. As long as there's love in your life it really doesn't matter where it comes from. I agree they need to associate with both sexes for a healthy balanced outllook, but that connection can come from anywhere as long as they're in a warm, loving enviroment.
are you a homosexual setanta?
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 03:19 PM
Yeah but on a school layground it will still happen?
Normal kid
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid with 2 dads.
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid..
Who they gunna pick on.
a school layground?
blimey, school has changed since i was a boy - all we had was "kiss, cuddle and torture"!
setanta
13-11-2009, 03:19 PM
are you a homosexual setanta?
What relevance does that have to this discussion?
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 03:19 PM
Nah, I think you're being too rigid in ur belief system here. Any male or female role model can have a profound influence on you, whether they be father, uncle, grandfather...whatever. As long as there's love in your life it really doesn't matter where it comes from. I agree they need to associate with both sexes for a healthy balanced outllook, but that connection can come from anywhere as long as they're in a warm, loving enviroment.
I'm speaking as a parent Setanta, my beliefs come from what I've experienced myself as a child and how I feel as a parent. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying thats what I feel on the situation. What I want for both my kids is for them to have both their mother and their father in their lives cos I can see the benefits of both. They do have grandads and uncles as well but, in my eyes nothing comes close to their dad
setanta
13-11-2009, 03:20 PM
I'm speaking as a parent Setanta, my beliefs come from what I've experienced myself as a child and how I feel as a parent. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying thats what I feel on the situation. What I want for both my kids is for them to have both their mother and their father in their lives cos I can see the benefits of both. They do have grandads and uncles as well but, in my eyes nothing comes close to their dad
It depends on the father really.
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 03:22 PM
What relevance does that have to this discussion?
and do you have children?
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 03:23 PM
It depends on the father really.
Well, yes absolutely and when I said my experiances as a child, I meant my father was a waste of space but I would have liked a good father. When I look at my husband with the kids sometimes it makes me sad that I didn't have that which is why I think that kids deserve a good mother & father
setanta
13-11-2009, 03:26 PM
and do you have children?
Seriously, why are you asking me these kind of questions when they have literally no bearing on the subject at hand? Lets not personalize things too much here because that's how misjudgements are usually made, when we start to think subjectively rather than objectively, which is your main problem when you're in discussions.
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 03:32 PM
Seriously, why are you asking me these kind of questions when they have literally no bearing on the subject at hand? Lets not personalize things too much here because that's how misjudgements are usually made, when we start to think subjectively rather than objectively, which is your main problem when you're in discussions.
I just think some of your points have to be from someone who is not a parent, just checking.
Vicky.
13-11-2009, 04:47 PM
Depends on the people. If they will give the child a loving stable home, then not a problem with it. Same as male/female adoptions. It should be the quality of life that the child will have that matters, nothing else.
NettoSuperstar!
13-11-2009, 04:52 PM
Yeah but on a school layground it will still happen?
Normal kid
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid with 2 dads.
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid..
Who they gunna pick on.
Yeh replace that with normal kid with ginger hair...its the prejudice that should be tackled, if kids are educated and society starts to accept it as the norm, then it'll happen less and less, people shouldnt be stopped from having the equal rights because of bullies
MarkWaldorf
13-11-2009, 04:59 PM
Yep, I agree with Vicky. If a gay couple can provide the same loving environment as a straight couple, I don't see why it shouldn't be an option.
Oh and Wildcat!, you need to remember civil partnerships have only been legal in the UK for about 4 years, which is why the number of gay partnerships compared to straight ones is considerably less. Men and women have been legally getting married for hundreds of years. Imo gay couples don't rush into 'marriage', which is why the dissolution rate is less than straight ones. I also think this proves gay couples are just as responsible as straight couples.
Niamh.
13-11-2009, 05:04 PM
Yep, I agree with Vicky. If a gay couple can provide the same loving environment as a straight couple, I don't see why it shouldn't be an option.
Oh and Wildcat!, you need to remember civil partnerships have only been legal in the UK for about 4 years, which is why the number of gay partnerships compared to straight ones is considerably less. Men and women have been legally getting married for hundreds of years. Imo gay couples don't rush into 'marriage', which is why the dissolution rate is less than straight ones. I also think this proves gay couples are just as responsible as straight couples.
It's not about who is more responsible at all. I just think having a mother and a father is the best option for the child. But I know that alot of times kids have both but they're bad parents and thats not great either
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 05:05 PM
Yeh replace that with normal kid with ginger hair...its the prejudice that should be tackled, if kids are educated and society starts to accept it as the norm, then it'll happen less and less, people shouldnt be stopped from having the equal rights because of bullies
There is nothing normal about having 2 gay men as your parents. I would put it as a last resort.
Vicky.
13-11-2009, 05:06 PM
There is nothing normal about having 2 gay men as your parents. I would put it as a last resort.
Yet judging by your earlier posts, its ok for a child to have two women as parents?
Vicky.
13-11-2009, 05:06 PM
Two men together looking adopting children, no. 2 women no problem but down the pecking order from a normal male female.
Yes, thought I saw this...
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 05:07 PM
Yet judging by your earlier posts, its ok for a child to have two women as parents?
would certainly be better than 2 men but again its not ideal.
Vicky.
13-11-2009, 05:08 PM
would certainly be better than 2 men but again its not ideal.
Whats the difference then? Both are same sex couples, surely if you are against gay men, you should also be against gay women...
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 05:11 PM
Whats the difference then? Both are same sex couples, surely if you are against gay men, you should also be against gay women...
women have natural affinity for children (what with them making them in their bodies and whatnot). men do not.
Vicky.
13-11-2009, 05:13 PM
women have natural affinity for children (what with them making them in their bodies and whatnot). men do not.
Gotta laugh at the way you put that :D
And men can be just as loving, if not more towards children. A lot of women lack the natural maternal instinct anyway, its unfair to say that they would make better parents because they are women tbh.
WOMBAI
13-11-2009, 05:16 PM
women have natural affinity for children (what with them making them in their bodies and whatnot). men do not.
Don't buy that load of old bull! Men always use that to dump the kids on the women. Having the ability to give birth - doesn't automatically make you good with children. I would hope that all people (men and women) love their own kids - but it is a myth created by men that all women love all kids.
Princess
13-11-2009, 05:16 PM
Yeah but on a school layground it will still happen?
Normal kid
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid with 2 dads.
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid..
Who they gunna pick on.
I was a 'normal kid',yet I still got bullied. FFS at one point,I got bullied by a redhead! Nowt against redheads btw. Kids will bully other kids for any reason,if they don't like they'll find some reason to bully them,having 2 loving parents isn't always gonna be a reason.
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 05:18 PM
I was a 'normal kid',yet I still got bullied. FFS at one point,I got bullied by a redhead! Nowt against redheads btw. Kids will bully other kids for any reason,if they don't like they'll find some reason to bully them,having 2 loving parents isn't always gonna be a reason.
we all realise that but in the real world do you think a kid with 2 dads is going to have it easy?
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 05:19 PM
Don't buy that load of old bull! Men always use that to dump the kids on the women. Having the ability to give birth - doesn't automatically make you good with children. I would hope that all people (men and women) love their own kids - but it is a myth created by men that all women love all kids.
affinity
and its is no myth it is instinctive, ask yer Mum
WOMBAI
13-11-2009, 05:20 PM
affinity
and its is no myth it is instinctive, ask yer Mum
I am a mum of 3.
Crimson Dynamo
13-11-2009, 05:44 PM
I am a mum of 3.
cats dont count
MrGaryy
14-11-2009, 05:18 AM
Yeah but on a school layground it will still happen?
Normal kid
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid with 2 dads.
normal kid
normal kid
normal kid..
Who they gunna pick on.
a school playground is just that - a school playground where every single kid is going to get picked, one day it will be the black kid, the next the ginger, the next the gay, the next with one with 2 mums or dads and then the next the one with braces. In this day and age school are so diverse anyway that everyone has something a little different with them. You can;t just assume that because someone has 2 dads they're going to be bullied over someone with one.
Crimson Dynamo
14-11-2009, 01:15 PM
a school playground is just that - a school playground where every single kid is going to get picked, one day it will be the black kid, the next the ginger, the next the gay, the next with one with 2 mums or dads and then the next the one with braces. In this day and age school are so diverse anyway that everyone has something a little different with them. You can;t just assume that because someone has 2 dads they're going to be bullied over someone with one.
I would doubt if "bullying" would be the main problem as say the general day to day school life.
Dolphin-and-Whale
15-11-2009, 10:55 PM
I think it's wrong and unnatural.
Crimson Dynamo
18-11-2009, 01:29 PM
http://www.christian.org.uk/news/lesbian-women-make-better-parents-claims-govt-official/
Spike
18-11-2009, 02:17 PM
I'm all for same-sex adoption, I really don't see a problem with it
I don't agree with any reason not to, and I actually think this in the long run would help stamp out homophobia.
Prole
18-11-2009, 04:25 PM
I'd rather see a child brought up by a same-sex couple, being loved and cared for, than see one dragged up by a sixteen year old skank who got pregnant because A) she wanted a council flat, or B) she was too stupid to read the instructions on the contraception.
Crimson Dynamo
18-11-2009, 04:55 PM
I'd rather see a child brought up by a same-sex couple, being loved and cared for, than see one dragged up by a sixteen year old skank who got pregnant because A) she wanted a council flat, or B) she was too stupid to read the instructions on the contraception.
I would rather see a child with its mother than see a child with 2 gay men who hang around parks picking up teenagers.
see how it works if you flip it?
WOMBAI
18-11-2009, 04:57 PM
I'd rather see a child brought up by a same-sex couple, being loved and cared for, than see one dragged up by a sixteen year old skank who got pregnant because A) she wanted a council flat, or B) she was too stupid to read the instructions on the contraception.
Disagree with the 16 year-old bit - that is a stereotype if ever I heard one. Think that thing about someone getting pregnant to get a council flat is ridiculous - might make up a tiny, tiny percentage at best. As for the contraception bit - that equally applies to the boy/guy who fathered the child -and if he abandoned all responsibility as is often the case - he is a far bigger 'skank' than her!!!
Prole
19-11-2009, 05:06 PM
Disagree with the 16 year-old bit - that is a stereotype if ever I heard one. Think that thing about someone getting pregnant to get a council flat is ridiculous - might make up a tiny, tiny percentage at best. As for the contraception bit - that equally applies to the boy/guy who fathered the child -and if he abandoned all responsibility as is often the case - he is a far bigger 'skank' than her!!!
Pregnant 16 year olds perhaps make up a tiny percentage of parents, but so do single sex couples. And yeah, the contraception bit applies to the boy too, but he's not the one who's going to get pregnant and then have to care for the kid for the rest of his life. Surely every female knows that and if they are smart should take even more responsibility. Obviously I was generalising, but I see plenty of them pushing pushchairs around, fag hanging out of their gob, muffin tops hanging over their jeans and absolutely nothing to offer a child. Personally I think everyone should have to apply for a licence before they're allowed to breed.
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