Your 17 year old daughter..

[Crimson Dynamo]

What of the below would, if you were a Dad, worry you the most if your 17 year old daughter brought home as a new boyfriend (and why)


1. A 24 year old Nigerian
2. A 22 year old traveller (gypsy)
3. An 18 year old Muslim
4. An 18 year old Christian
5. A 38 year old from Wales
6. A 22 year old Rasta



all blokes.

[LemonJam]

A 22 year old traveller (gypsy)

[Crimson Dynamo]

A 22 year old traveller (gypsy)

why?

[Novo]

A 38 year old from Wales

Nothing to with Wales just the age gap

[DrunkerThanMoses]

A 38 year old from Wales

Age gap is too big

[Tom]

38 year old from Wales, the gyspy, and the Muslim

[King Gizzard]

38 year old man and the muslim, because my family is christian, it just wouldnt work

[LemonJam]

why?

Well a gypsy would travel elsewhere obviously and maybe convince her to join him, but I'd personally prefer her to stay at home and get good qualifications, then go to univerisity.

[Jack_]

None of them as she can choose who she wants to be with.

38 year old is a bit of a big age gap but as I said it's up to her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

None of them as she can choose who she wants to be with.

38 year old is a bit of a big age gap but as I said it's up to her.

nice dad work, dad!

[Captain.Remy]

A 38 year old from Wales

Nothing to with Wales just the age gap

This. And the Muslim.

This is kinda ironic about the Muslim one because I've been in a relationship with a Muslim girl for 2 years (yet she was blonde with blue eyes) so I kinda now what I'm saying with the whole Muslim environment.
I'd rather trust my son going out with a Muslim girl than my daughter going out with a Muslim guy.

[Scarlett.]

I'd just be puzzled that I have 17 year old daughter when I'm only 19

[Tom4784]

I agree with Jack, the wales one would concern me purely because of the age gap but I wouldn't interfere if he made her happy.

[Brad.]

welsh guy and muslim guy.

[Spike]

I wouldn't have a problem with any of them just on that information, depends on what they are like as people. Maybe i'd worry if the daughter would fit well with either the Christian or Muslim if they are very religious

[Crimson Dynamo]

What about the Nigerian?

Would there be concerns about criminality?

[Sam!]

gypsy cause well. & the welsh guy cause of the age.

[Lauren]

I wouldn't be bothered because I'd have brought my daughter up to make rational and respectful decisions. I'd prefer her not to go with a traveling gypsy because that wouldn't lead her a comfortable life at all... so I assume given her upbringing she wouldn't choose him either. The religion or ethnicity does not matter to me, so long as she is happy.

I am especially surprised at how many people are saying they'd be against the Muslim boy. Islam teaches peace and respect? I would not mind.

[alc09]

Anyone from Wales is a worry, regardless of the age.

Other than that a Muslim.

[Tom4784]

What about the Nigerian?

Would there be concerns about criminality?

No, every country has it's fair share of criminals and I'd say the UK is up there for it so why should I be concerned with a Nigerian man? Plus my kids will be brought up well so they wouldn't go with anyone shady or dangerous so I'd trust their judgement.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Any 38 year old man who goes near a 17 year old is a borderline paedo in my book.

[bronaaaa]

Gypsy for the same reasons as LJ
And the 38 year old from Wales, because the age gap is wayyy big and he'd want into her pants :o

[WOMBAI]

I wouldn't be bothered because I'd have brought my daughter up to make rational and respectful decisions. I'd prefer her not to go with a traveling gypsy because that wouldn't lead her a comfortable life at all... so I assume given her upbringing she wouldn't choose him either. The religion or ethnicity does not matter to me, so long as she is happy.

I am especially surprised at how many people are saying they'd be against the Muslim boy. Islam teaches peace and respect? I would not mind.

Trouble is - it doesn't practice what it preaches! Not to mention that it talks a lot about killing the enemy - and there isn't a lot of respect for women's rights and freedom of choice. So very surprised you said that.

[WOMBAI]

Agree with the majority - the older guy and the Muslim.

[Enid]

The 38 year old.

[Ross]

A 38 year old.

Although my daughter would be legal. Who knows what that filthy man would do to her in all sorts of positions bcause she'd be vulnerable.

Unless he has never had sex before that is.

[InOne]

The Muslim and the 38 year old

[arista]

I wouldn't be bothered because I'd have brought my daughter up to make rational and respectful decisions. I'd prefer her not to go with a traveling gypsy because that wouldn't lead her a comfortable life at all... so I assume given her upbringing she wouldn't choose him either. The religion or ethnicity does not matter to me, so long as she is happy.

I am especially surprised at how many people are saying they'd be against the Muslim boy. Islam teaches peace and respect? I would not mind.




Lauren such a Easy Going Lady.

If only Real Life was like that.


On the Muslim - maybe you need 2 types
Extreme or Non Extreme.


Life In The Fast Lane.

[Captain.Remy]

I wouldn't be bothered because I'd have brought my daughter up to make rational and respectful decisions. I'd prefer her not to go with a traveling gypsy because that wouldn't lead her a comfortable life at all... so I assume given her upbringing she wouldn't choose him either. The religion or ethnicity does not matter to me, so long as she is happy.

I am especially surprised at how many people are saying they'd be against the Muslim boy. Islam teaches peace and respect? I would not mind.

I actually thought you knew what was going out there ? For a girl, living in a Muslim family is very tough, either she is the daughter or step-daughter. Sure they make great food but she has a hard life being surrounded by her brothers and co. In some countries, woman can be burnt, killed by stones or shot in public because they dared to look at a man or just saying hello.
Extremists or not, life is not easy, and my ex-girlfriend really suffered from it, and more as the both of us didn't have the same religion.

[Tom]

A 38 year old.

Although my daughter would be legal. Who knows what that filthy man would do to her in all sorts of positions bcause she'd be vulnerable.

Unless he has never had sex before that is.

You don't need to be 38 to have a girl in all sorts of positions :tongue:

[Captain.Remy]

You don't need to be 38 to have a girl in all sorts of positions :tongue:

But yet you are a wiser so you can teach her some moves. :hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

How would everyone feel about the daughter asking if the bloke could spend the night in her room?

[InOne]

Get the gun

[Tom4784]

I actually thought you knew what was going out there ? For a girl, living in a Muslim family is very tough, either she is the daughter or step-daughter. Sure they make great food but she has a hard life being surrounded by her brothers and co. In some countries, woman can be burnt, killed by stones or shot in public because they dared to look at a man or just saying hello.
Extremists or not, life is not easy, and my ex-girlfriend really suffered from it, and more as the both of us didn't have the same religion.

But this isn't an Islam country and in my case the women of our family would probably smack someone upside the head if they were treated badly so I'd definately trust my hypothetical daughter with an Islamic man as I'd have raised her to make her own decisions and to know her own mind.

[Captain.Remy]

How would everyone feel about the daughter asking if the bloke could spend the night in her room?

It's a big NO. And not even debatable. Unless she wants to end up homeless with her boyfriend.

But if it was my son asking if his girlfriend could spend the night in his room, I would say yes.

Life is a bitch sometimes. :D

[Crimson Dynamo]

Get the gun

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a big NO. And not even debatable. Unless she wants to end up homeless with her boyfriend.

But if it was my son asking if his girlfriend could spend the night in his room, I would say yes.

Life is a bitch sometimes. :D

is the right answer:joker:

[WOMBAI]

But yet you are a wiser so you can teach her some moves. :hugesmile:

Maybe - she would be teaching you! 21st Century and all that!!!:joker:

[WOMBAI]

But this isn't an Islam country and in my case the women of our family would probably smack someone upside the head if they were treated badly so I'd definately trust my hypothetical daughter with an Islamic man as I'd have raised her to make her own decisions and to know her own mind.

Not as simple as that - love can do funny things to people - and make them very vulnerable to manipulation.

[Tom4784]

How would everyone feel about the daughter asking if the bloke could spend the night in her room?

I wouldn't be comfortable with it if my kid was a boy or girl, I'm 19 and I'm still sneaking about :laugh:

I've always maintained the thought though that if my kids are careful and know the risks I'd let them approach sexuality how they like. You can only educate and not dictate in these type of matters.

[WOMBAI]

It's a big NO. And not even debatable. Unless she wants to end up homeless with her boyfriend.

But if it was my son asking if his girlfriend could spend the night in his room, I would say yes.

Life is a bitch sometimes. :D

Sorry - but that is double-standards! Your daughter would be within her rights to feel very offended by that.

[Tom4784]

Not as simple as that - love can do funny things to people - and make them very vulnerable to manipulation.

All Islam men are manipulative brainwashing bastards who are demeaning to women then? It wouldn't happen in my family, We've all been taught to think for ourselves since we was kids and no one in my family would stay in an abusive relationship.

[Tom4784]

It's a big NO. And not even debatable. Unless she wants to end up homeless with her boyfriend.

But if it was my son asking if his girlfriend could spend the night in his room, I would say yes.

Life is a bitch sometimes. :D

That'd do a lot of damage though, some standards are best left in the past.

[Captain.Remy]

But this isn't an Islam country and in my case the women of our family would probably smack someone upside the head if they were treated badly so I'd definately trust my hypothetical daughter with an Islamic man as I'd have raised her to make her own decisions and to know her own mind.

That's not the point. A girl can be well educated, thinking for herself etc but sometimes it's not enough. Really, you should live it to understand it. And there is the thing about being accepted as a girl into a new family and a different religion. It's not about the country either, trust me.

[Captain.Remy]

Sorry - but that is double-standards! Your daughter would be within her rights to feel very offended by that.

No really ? :rolleyes: I don't care if she's offended. My parents did the same thing with us. My older sister wasn't allowed to sleep with her boyfriend at home until she was married. Now she is so it's fine and she thanked my parents for this rule and never got offended. My little sister isn't allowed to bring a guy AT ALL but then she sleeps at her boyfriends. I'm covering her up lol
And me ? Well, as I'm a guy, my parents were fine with bringing my girlfriend here but only when it got serious (about 10 months)

[Tom4784]

No really ? :rolleyes: I don't care if she's offended. My parents did the same thing with us. My older sister wasn't allowed to sleep with her boyfriend at home until she was married. Now she is so it's fine and she thanked my parents for this rule and never got offended. My little sister isn't allowed to bring a guy AT ALL but then she sleeps at her boyfriends. I'm covering her up lol
And me ? Well, as I'm a guy, my parents were fine with bringing my girlfriend here but only when it got serious (about 10 months)

But isn't that a little Ironic and contradictory when it's been said by others in this thread that Islam families are all about demeaning women and not giving them the same rights? What makes your family so different from a 'typical' muslim family stated in this thread?

[WOMBAI]

No really ? :rolleyes: I don't care if she's offended. My parents did the same thing with us. My older sister wasn't allowed to sleep with her boyfriend at home until she was married. Now she is so it's fine and she thanked my parents for this rule and never got offended. My little sister isn't allowed to bring a guy AT ALL but then she sleeps at her boyfriends. I'm covering her up lol
And me ? Well, as I'm a guy, my parents were fine with bringing my girlfriend here but only when it got serious (about 10 months)

Most young women wouldn't accept that obvious double standard today.

It is the 21st Century - and it is treating women as children. It either has to be yes for both or no for both. Anything else - is blatant sexism!

[Stacey.]

a 38 year old from wales..
the age difference is a bit too muchh :/ :/

[Captain.Remy]

But isn't that a little Ironic and contradictory when it's been said by others in this thread that Islam families are all about demeaning women and not giving them the same rights? What makes your family so different from a 'typical' muslim family stated in this thread?

lmao purely because:
1. We're not muslim.
2. Because our dad is very protective towards us.
3. We have never been forced to do something we don't want to.
4. My sisters have had bigger advantages sometimes than I had (yes, there is a balance)
5. My parents have always trusted me more because I was calmer than my sisters who were both bitches to them.

[Captain.Remy]

Most young women wouldn't accept that obvious double standard today.

It is the 21st Century - and it is treating women as children. It either has to be yes for both or no for both. Anything else - is blatant sexism!

Yeah they know that. And I just explained why in my post above. And so what if she doesn't accept ? She's under my roof, if she's not happy, she gets out. That's the rule.

Having said that, the 3 of us are very very free, we can do whatever we want. We just have to follow like 4 rules so that's why they never complained.

[Tom4784]

lmao purely because:
1. We're not muslim.
2. Because our dad is very protective towards us.
3. We have never been forced to do something we don't want to.
4. My sisters have had bigger advantages sometimes than I had (yes, there is a balance)
5. My parents have always trusted me more because I was calmer than my sisters who were both bitches to them.

But not all Muslim families are so flippant and forceful with their children, there's as much variety as there is in christian people or people of any other religion or creed.

The point is it should be balanced and it's complete sexist that you get treated differently to your sisters because of gener even if it is 'balanced'. Something liek that will do a lot more harm then good.

[WOMBAI]

Yeah they know that. And I just explained why in my post above. And so what if she doesn't accept ? She's under my roof, if she's not happy, she gets out. That's the rule.

Having said that, the 3 of us are very very free, we can do whatever we want. We just have to follow like 4 rules so that's why they never complained.

Well it wouldn't just be down to you - would it! Your wife (presumably you would have one) might disagree with you - and allow your daughter to have the same rights as your son!

[Captain.Remy]

But not all Muslim families are so flippant and forceful with their children, there's as much variety as there is in christian people or people of any other religion or creed.

The point is it should be balanced and it's complete sexist that you get treated differently to your sisters because of gener even if it is 'balanced'. Something liek that will do a lot more harm then good.

Not all Muslim families are like that tho But the majority of them is, and it's terrible.

Like I said, it's a question of trust, my parents trust me more about things that they wouldn't for my sisters, and vice versa. At the end of the day, it's all good, my older sister isn't in shock or anything, and my little one is breaking the rule. It's a family life, this is how it works and every family isn't perfect, we all have differences. And yet not everyone is being harmed by this, not shocked or traumatized.

[biglover]

The muslims guy, becuase he would be a muslim and i dont like muslims and there stupid ideologies

[Deirdre]

The Nigerian because they're completely different and dangerous. Sorry to paint them all with the same brush but that's just my opinion.

[biglover]

muslims are usually not very nice people same with nigerians

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

38 year old- age gap too big.
The Gypsy- Just me being a snob If I'm honest.
TheMuslim- Being a Christian, I wouldn't mind her going out with a Muslim but I'd be worried if she wanted to become a Muslim.

[Lauren]

Trouble is - it doesn't practice what it preaches! Not to mention that it talks a lot about killing the enemy - and there isn't a lot of respect for women's rights and freedom of choice. So very surprised you said that.

Every single Muslim I have ever met is very respectful and peaceful. Never have they been pro-violence or disrespectful of women or their freedom. THAT for me is practicing what they preach, not something I hear about in scare mongering when in reference to EXTREME muslims.

We have extreme Christians too, we have extreme non-religious types... it's nothing to do with the religion.

[WOMBAI]

Every single Muslim I have ever met is very respectful and peaceful. Never have they been pro-violence or disrespectful of women or their freedom. THAT for me is practicing what they preach, not something I hear about in scare mongering when in reference to EXTREME muslims.

We have extreme Christians too, we have extreme non-religious types... it's nothing to do with the religion.

It would probably be very different if you married one.

[Lauren]

It would probably be very different if you married one.

Well I wouldn't be best suited to marry one, because if they follow their religion to a tee they would want me to convert, and I am happy as a straggler!! :hugesmile: However, the choice is up to my daughter and I cannot stop her from doing such if she so pleased... I would however be there to pick up the pieces if things were to go wrong.

[30stone]

1. A 24 year old Nigerian
2. A 22 year old traveller (gypsy)
3. An 18 year old Muslim
5. A 38 year old from Wales
6. A 22 year old Rasta

[Shaun]

what an uncharacteristically provocative topic.

[setanta]

what an uncharacteristically provocative topic.

Agreed. And a ridiculous one too that's only been posted to highlight people's prejudices. I'd prefer to deal with people on an individual basis rather than immediately catagorize them according to the ethnicity, nationality or age bracket to which they belong.

[Ross]

This topic is kind of creepy now.

[Jords]

2,3 & 5

[AfroMullet]

This thread, wow.

When you all have 17 year old daughters, im going to bring my black, 5%er, herb smoking, afro having ass round and tell you "The black man is god, Allahuakbar" just because i know you dont like it.

[InOne]

This thread, wow.

When you all have 17 year old daughters, im going to bring my black, 5%er, herb smoking, afro having ass round and tell you "The black man is god, Allahuakbar" just because i know you dont like it.

I'll have the gun ready.

[AfroMullet]

As will i.

[InOne]

Bang

[NettoSuperstar!]

Agreed. And a ridiculous one too that's only been posted to highlight people's prejudices. I'd prefer to deal with people on an individual basis rather than immediately catagorize them according to the ethnicity, nationality or age bracket to which they belong.

Yeh agreed

[Crimson Dynamo]

Agreed. And a ridiculous one too that's only been posted to highlight people's prejudices. I'd prefer to deal with people on an individual basis rather than immediately catagorize them according to the ethnicity, nationality or age bracket to which they belong.

and when the camp of gypsy's moves into the field next to you..

people are predujice, its a reality, fathers are protective, that is a reality. When it comes to your 17 year old daughter you dont wait and see what happens you be a Dad and use your nowse.


The thread is about the fine line between protection and predujice.

Ask yourself if you would get on the same tube carriage as the nervous appearing, sweaty Asian guy with the big backpack or perhaps you would "I'd prefer to deal with people on an individual basis rather than immediately catagorize them according to the ethnicity, nationality or age bracket to which they belong."


bollocks

you would move down the carriages away from what may prove (but be unlikely) danger

[NettoSuperstar!]

Fact is Trumpet most people get to know people before they pass judgement these days...its that liberal leftie view again bringing the world to its knees lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fact is Trumpet most people get to know people before they pass judgement these days...its that liberal leftie view again bringing the world to its knees lol

when its your daughter, as this instance is, perhaps you may not want to "suck it and see"?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Nah Trumpet unlike you I dont let prejudice get in the way of making a rational judgement...yeh prejudice between groups might be a natural thing but most people are educated and understand not to judge people based on stereotypes

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nah Trumpet unlike you I dont let prejudice get in the way of making a rational judgement...yeh prejudice between groups might be a natural thing but most people are educated and understand not to judge people based on stereotypes

yes, you never do that now do you.:hugesmile:

[Wildcat!]

Nah Trumpet unlike you I dont let prejudice get in the way of making a rational judgement...yeh prejudice between groups might be a natural thing but most people are educated and understand not to judge people based on stereotypes

I am putting them all on ignore now. There are 2 or 3 people that really make my skin crawl. They are embarassment to humanity in general, and there is one thing to be a hateful prejudice person, but its another to come on an internet site, full with 13 and 14 year olds, and basically incite, and goad them into the same kind of racist and prejudice views. Its really not worth the effort. If people cant see them for who they are, they arent any better, and will go down the same road. So be it!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Im fed up of hearing the same old **** everyday, they should just ban the racist troll

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am putting them all on ignore now. There are 2 or 3 people that really make my skin crawl. They are embarassment to humanity in general, and there is one thing to be a hateful prejudice person, but its another to come on an internet site, full with 13 and 14 year olds, and basically incite, and goad them into the same kind of racist and prejudice views. Its really not worth the effort. If people cant see them for who they are, they arent any better, and will go down the same road. So be it!


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[Wildcat!]

Im fed up of hearing the same old **** everyday, they should just ban the racist troll

Its not against any rules to be raist and preudice though, its down to any individual to recognize it. And he is not the only one. But, the devil you know like they say. I much prefer knowing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im fed up of hearing the same old **** everyday, they should just ban the racist troll

is one way of saying that you have lost the argument

[NettoSuperstar!]

is one way of saying that you have lost the argument

No mate its saying Im fed up of arguing the same **** everyday! Your bloody annoying...point taken Wildcat

[30stone]

So many ageist peopleint his thread.

:(

[Crimson Dynamo]

No mate its saying Im fed up of arguing the same **** everyday! Your bloody annoying...point taken Wildcat

arguing what every day?


You bandy around the racism card when your views are challenged, in a lazy defence of your pov

you are hiding behind the word racism because you think that your views are therefore safe. if someone disagrees with you then i am afraid you will just have to take it. remember that perhaps you are wrong.

[NettoSuperstar!]

arguing what every day?


You bandy around the racism card when your views are challenged, in a lazy defence of your pov

you are hiding behind the word racism because you think that your views are therefore safe. if someone disagrees with you then i am afraid you will just have to take it. remember that perhaps you are wrong.

Haha you are hilarious, "bandying it around!", its exactly what you are! Its a good job noone takes you seriously...You know what you are, its plain for all to see, and Ive explained too many times why you are

[WOMBAI]

Haha you are hilarious! Its a good job noone takes you seriously...You know what you are, its plain for all to see, and Ive explained too many times why you are

And you have a chip on your shoulder a mile wide!!:xyxwave:

[Captain.Remy]

I am putting them all on ignore now. There are 2 or 3 people that really make my skin crawl. They are embarassment to humanity in general, and there is one thing to be a hateful prejudice person, but its another to come on an internet site, full with 13 and 14 year olds, and basically incite, and goad them into the same kind of racist and prejudice views. Its really not worth the effort. If people cant see them for who they are, they arent any better, and will go down the same road. So be it!

I didn't get the whole anti-Nigerian thing to be honest. Like, I know some Nigerians and they are damn cool lol I mean, for real. :hugesmile:

[NettoSuperstar!]

And you have a chip on your shoulder a mile wide!!:xyxwave:

Right because I stand up against prejudice and discrimination I have a chip on my shoulder hehe that aswell as being a woolly liberal:hugesmile:

[setanta]

and when the camp of gypsy's moves into the field next to you..

people are predujice, its a reality, fathers are protective, that is a reality. When it comes to your 17 year old daughter you dont wait and see what happens you be a Dad and use your nowse.


The thread is about the fine line between protection and predujice.

Ask yourself if you would get on the same tube carriage as the nervous appearing, sweaty Asian guy with the big backpack or perhaps you would "I'd prefer to deal with people on an individual basis rather than immediately catagorize them according to the ethnicity, nationality or age bracket to which they belong."


bollocks

you would move down the carriages away from what may prove (but be unlikely) danger

Your attitude and comments get sillier by the day. Of course we're all prejudiced to varying degrees as it's a genetic predisposition passed on from generation to generation, but in a civilised and decent world you have to fight against that primal need to focus aggressively and ignorantly on the differences between ethnicities - otherwise we'll just end up killing each other.

And the line about the sweaty nervous looking Asian with the big backpack actually made me laugh out loud. I'd walk away from anyone who was acting a bit funny, irrespective of the colour of their skin. Don't post anymore ridiculous threads and try to justify them with silly points, hiding behind a transparent veneer of forced respectability - why not just post the thread that you really want to..... who do you like the best and hate the most out of the darkies, gooks, nappy heads and gypos? This is ridiculous stuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Your attitude and comments get sillier by the day. Of course we're all prejudiced to varying degrees as it's a genetic predisposition passed on from generation to generation, but in a civilised and decent world you have to fight against that primal need to focus aggressively and ignorantly on the differences between ethnicities - otherwise we'll just end up killing each other.

And the line about the sweaty nervous looking Asian with the big backpack actually made me laugh out loud. I'd walk away from anyone who was acting a bit funny, irrespective of the colour of their skin. Don't post anymore ridiculous threads and try to justify them with silly points, hiding behind a transparent veneer of forced respectability - why not just post the thread that you really want to..... who do you like the best and hate the most out of the darkies, gooks, nappy heads and gypos? This is ridiculous stuff.


As usual, rather than address the point in hand (and agree) you, like netto resort to name calling.

if you disagree then say so but try and avoid the "and you smell" type posts. :nono:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Its not name calling Trumpet, its facts...you are a racist, your posts are ridiculous, you are on a campaign to stir up racial prejudice and discrimination...anyone with half a brain can see that

[Crimson Dynamo]

Right because I stand up against prejudice and discrimination I have a chip on my shoulder hehe that aswell as being a woolly liberal:hugesmile:

You stand up for nothing. What you post is to assuage your own prejudices - which you believe are correct. I think that you genuinely believe that you are some sort of moral crusader!:shocked:


It is easy to take the moral high ground as it is easy to identify problems and talk about what should be.

Solutions and reality are a far more bitter pill.

[NettoSuperstar!]

You stand up for nothing. What you post is to assuage your own prejudices - which you believe are correct. I think that you genuinely believe that you are some sort of moral crusader!:shocked:


It is easy to take the moral high ground as it is easy to identify problems and talk about what should be.

Solutions and reality are a far more bitter pill.

Solutions to what? the fact there are people that discriminate based on stereotypes and cant stomach diversity? You'll become extinct soon enough

[setanta]

You stand up for nothing. What you post is to assuage your own prejudices - which you believe are correct. I think that you genuinely believe that you are some sort of moral crusader!:shocked:


It is easy to take the moral high ground as it is easy to identify problems and talk about what should be.

Solutions and reality are a far more bitter pill.

Christ, I would have hated to have been Irish in the early 70's and walked into your local. This is nothing to do with a moral high ground or a crusade - it's about intelligent and productive discourse, rather than reactionary and hate fueled prejudice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Solutions to what? the fact there are people that cant stomach diversity? You'll become extinct soon enough

No one in this or any thread has said that. What you have done in each thread is to react to anyone who voices concern at "multiculturalism" (and the uncontrolled way it has happened in the UK) by

1. calling them racist
2. immediately taking the view that they are against any race bar white settling in the UK


It is the typical and hysterical viewpoint that has created the issues we face.

you get the medal for 1 and 2.

[InOne]

To be fair, Netto is as bad as Wildcat for calling people racist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

To be fair, Netto is as bad as Wildcat for calling people racist.

I know. It is a big fence to hide behind.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Voices concern? yeh cos thats all your doing? your fooling nobody, everyone knows what you are

[setanta]

Nope, you're the hysterical one with the general tone of your posts, where you go out of your way to provoke and incite prejudice. Why didn't you post something like, What would prevent you from allowing your daughter to marry? Race? Position? Ethnicity? etc. I doubt you could do that though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope, you're the hysterical one with the general tone of your posts, where you go out of your way to provoke and incite prejudice. Why didn't you post something like, What would prevent you from allowing your daughter to marry? Race? Position? Ethnicity? etc. I doubt you could do that though.

Why dont you post that yourself if you are so keen?

My thread is to highlight the fine line between blind predujice and fatherly protection and how sometimes being all "lets love everyone as one" may not work in the real world.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Voices concern? yeh cos thats all your doing? your fooling nobody, everyone knows what you are

again, just a name calling post. :nono:

[setanta]

Why dont you post that yourself if you are so keen?

My thread is to highlight the fine line between blind predujice and fatherly protection and how sometimes being all "lets love everyone as one" may not work in the real world.

Nope, time and again your main aim is to encourage blind prejudice amongst people, otherwise you would have posted a less provocative and more rational thread. Tick the box for the one you hate the most. Crazy stuff.

[Niamh.]

Nope, time and again your main aim is to encourage blind prejudice amongst people, otherwise you would have posted a less provocative and more rational thread. Tick the box for the one you hate the most. Crazy stuff.

I believe you've hit the nail on the head there James.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I believe you've hit the nail on the head there James.

Rubbish

I can post a topic but what is said and debated is up to everyone. I am not some evil puppet master, if i was I would make setanta, wildcat and netto post more coherent stuff rather than just hiding behind name calling.


As i have said, if you dont like the thread then either stay away or make your own. half the problem is peoples reluctance to make a thread for fear of reprisal.

a thread entitled "Isnt everyone lovely" may be 99% correct but i doubt it would get many comments apart from sarcasm.

[Stu]

What about your thread where you gave people who use curse words the choice of either being, oh what was it, immature, uneducated or retarded?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Im sure most of you find the views of certain members on here abhorrent. theres a group on facebook you might like to join...and if you have a read round what some of the BNP members say you'll find it echoes much of what is said on threads like this...and the myths and lies that get generated! http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=info&ref=profile&id=1270171068#/group.php?gid=8644741474

[Crimson Dynamo]

What about your thread where you gave people who use curse words the choice of either being, oh what was it, immature, uneducated or retarded?

I would never use "retarded" and obviously that thread is in a lighter shade than say this one, as you know.

And in that thread the only real reason anyone gave was "its because i am Irish"

score!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im sure most of you find the views of certain members on here abhorrent. theres a group on facebook you might like to join...and if you have a read round what some of the BNP members say you'll find it echoes much of what is said on threads like this...and the myths and lies that get generated! http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=info&ref=profile&id=1270171068#/group.php?gid=8644741474

again

if you disagree with me (ie you) you are a racist, you are in BNP


:sleep:

[Stu]

I would never use "retarded" and obviously that thread is in a lighter shade than say this one, as you know.

And in that thread the only real reason anyone gave was "its because i am Irish"

score!
No, it was not. Plenty of people gave plenty of perfectly logical reasons as to why they curse. All of which you ignored. Nice try, though.

But yeah, that was more lighthearted than this, your right. But it's hard to tell with you, you old scallywag.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, it was not. Plenty of people gave plenty of perfectly logical reasons as to why they curse. All of which you ignored. Nice try, though.

But yeah, that was more lighthearted than this, your right. But it's hard to tell with you, you old scallywag.

the irish one was the only truthful one and the only one the courts would buy.

but thank you for seeing a bit beyond the top of your pc

[Stu]

the irish one was the only truthful one and the only one the courts would buy.

but thank you for seeing a bit beyond the top of your pc
Thank you for proving my point.

So the only possibly excuse for somebody cursing is because they are Irish? Is the top of your PC covered in black nets sprayed with rabbit ****, yeah?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thank you for proving my point.

So the only possibly excuse for somebody cursing is because they are Irish? Is the top of your PC covered in black nets sprayed with rabbit ****, yeah?

and you had to swear...

:joker:

[NettoSuperstar!]

...and they'll generally try and deflect any attention away from a reasoned debate and anything that makes any sense because they cant back up what theyre saying! The fact is what they say is based on a distrust and prejudiced view of ceratin groups of people with no factual evidence to support such a view

[Stu]

and you had to swear...

:joker:
And you had to ignore everything else. Thank you for proving my point again. The S word never let's me down, do you baby?

Personally, I would rather hold a debate for all eternity on a desert island with someone who has the ability to respond to points and curse like a drunk sailor than with someone who refrains from cursing but also refrains from any or all logical debate material.

In short, you suck.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And they'll generally try and deflect any attention away from a reasoned debate and anything that makes any sense because they cant back up what theyre saying! The fact is what they say is based on a distrust and prejudiced view of ceratin groups of people with no factual evidence to support such a view

Yes, its a conspiracy to make fathers of daughters more racist and gypsyist than they are currently so that their daughters will vote BNP and regime change in the UK will be the reality that I was aiming for.

:xyxwave:

[Crimson Dynamo]

And you had to ignore everything else. Thank you for proving my point again. The S word never let's me down, do you baby?

Personally, I would rather hold a debate for all eternity on a desert island with someone who has the ability to respond to points and curse like a drunk sailor than with someone who refrains from cursing but also refrains from any or all logical debate material.

In short, you suck.

and now the name calling...


:xyxwave:

[Stu]

and now the name calling...


:xyxwave:
Damn right. And it makes me no less of a person in this scenario. You fail to respond like an adult to any points people make, expect to be called names. It's fun, easy and well deserved.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Be careful Stu he loves to play the victim, detracts from the fact he has nothing of substance to say

[WOMBAI]

Right because I stand up against prejudice and discrimination I have a chip on my shoulder hehe that aswell as being a woolly liberal:hugesmile:

Yes - because you actually convince yourself that every criticism made about the Muslim religion must be based on skin colour - it couldn't possibly be based on anthing else could it- after all Muslims are clearly so damn perfect in your book. And for the record dear - there are many white people that are Muslim and many black people who are not. My criticism has always been about the Religion and the culture - you keep turning it into colour.

Everything points to you having a massive chip on your shoulder - so I have to assume you are not white yourself - and that is why you get so defensive. Don't keep attempting to play that card with me - because it won't work! You produce just one sentence that I have written that says anything against colour - and not your interpretation of what was written.

[WOMBAI]

...and they'll generally try and deflect any attention away from a reasoned debate and anything that makes any sense because they cant back up what theyre saying!

Just like you do you mean - everytime you play the race card! :hugesmile:

[InOne]

She won't listen, Netto is in her own little bubble.

[Dr.Gonzo]

The 38 year old.

Yep. Ay, is that fluff on your cock or are you just happy to see me?!

[bananarama]

It's not the race colour or even age gap within reason that the dad should worry about.It's the difference in culture that matters.......Cultures that are poles apart can inevitably lead either to control of one side or the other and heart break and sometimes in some cultures deadly danger should a split in the relationship develop over time......Mothers have lost their children (Taken out of the country) due to lack of thought when getting involved with some cultures where the male dominates......

If I had to pick from the OP's list then I would say worry about the "Muslim" Culture which is ancient and set in its ways......Not at all suitable for a modern young miss who believes in equality of the sexes....

[atieah2009]

Does every thread with Muslim related to it have to go from how Islam is extreme and how there not. It's so pathetic seriously. Islam is a very strong religion some people have adapted to this generations others in poor 10th world countries like Iran are still in the stone age (i like Iran) other countries such as the gulf have gone too western non of which are moderate the world is dead.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yes - because you actually convince yourself that every criticism made about the Muslim religion must be based on skin colour - it couldn't possibly be based on anthing else could it- after all Muslims are clearly so damn perfect in your book. And for the record dear - there are many white people that are Muslim and many black people who are not. My criticism has always been about the Religion and the culture - you keep turning it into colour.

Everything points to you having a massive chip on your shoulder - so I have to assume you are not white yourself - and that is why you get so defensive. Don't keep attempting to play that card with me - because it won't work! You produce just one sentence that I have written that says anything against colour - and not your interpretation of what was written.

And see this is where you hide behind the muslim is not a race card! Its not just muslims leather trumpet has had a problem with either, he's openly said he wouldnt want black people in his neighbourhood and would rather be served his morning paper by a white man etc, and he has in the past made threads about other ethnic minorities when he was ISLEOFWEATHER, I see the same things said over and over, Ive been hearing them from racists all my life so Im pretty good at spotting them...it just so happens that the target for discrimination these days is muslims and unfairly so. Also there are people on here that will say the odd thing about ethnic minorities and different cultures, that does show a lack of understanding but I dont consider them racist because they are willing to understand and dont make a habit of constantly attacking a group of people or creating threads designed to attack a whole culture based on the values and actions of a few. Now, its muslims today, it'll be another group scapegoated tommorow, thats what people like you do! You cant just live and let live.

[WOMBAI]

And see this is where you hide behind the muslim is not a race card! Its not just muslims leather trumpet has had a problem with either, he's openly said he wouldnt want black people in his neighbourhood and would rather be served his morning paper by a white man etc, and he has in the past made threads about other ethnic minorities when he was ISLEOFWEATHER, I see the same things said over and over, Ive been hearing them from racists all my life so Im pretty good at spotting them...it just so happens that the target for discrimination these days is muslims and unfairly so. Also there are people on here that will say the odd thing about ethnic minorities and different cultures, that does show a lack of understanding but I dont consider them racist because they are willing to understand and dont make a habit of constantly attacking a group of people or creating threads designed to attack a whole culture based on the values and actions of a few. Now, its muslims today, it'll be another group scapegoated tommorow, thats what people like you do! You cant just live and let live.

Er, excuse me - I am not responisble for another poster's opinions. I have NEVER said anything against colour. I don't have a very high regard for the Muslim religion and culture for many reasons - and none of them have anything to do with skin colour. Your comments about you being 'pretty damn good at spotting them' just expose you as the TOTALLY PARANOID person you actually are!

So the only ones you don't consider racist are the ones you can 'convert to your way of thinking". Surprise, surprise! You are the one that goes on the attack - against anyone who questions the double-standards of the Muslim religion. I defend my culture and way of life - just as you do yours - and I always will.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Just because you havent mentioned their colour means nothing, you still discriminate because they are different to you and dont do what you do. You also imply that they all generally think the same way, that they are "taking over" and theyre a threat to British culture (theyre not generally). You have no desire to understand where theyre coming from or enter into any negotiation, you want to ban things that people choose to do that has no bearing on your life whatsover when all evidence points to the fact that that will only create more tension and solve nothing.

"You are the one that goes on the attack - against anyone who questions the double-standards of the Muslim religion." WOMBAI

This is my point...you are attacking a whole religion and group of people that follow that religion because of the actions of a few

The things you say have been said about various groups over the years...Jews, black people...

[Stu]

Er, excuse me - I am not responisble for another poster's opinions. I have NEVER said anything against colour. I don't have a very high regard for the Muslim religion and culture for many reasons - and none of them have anything to do with skin colour. Your comments about you being 'pretty damn good at spotting them' just expose you as the TOTALLY PARANOID person you actually are!

So the only ones you don't consider racist are the ones you can 'convert to your way of thinking". Surprise, surprise! You are the one that goes on the attack - against anyone who questions the double-standards of the Muslim religion. I defend my culture and way of life - just as you do yours - and I always will.
Double standards are everywhere, including the Christian religion of your culture. The majority of by-the-numbers Diet Christians have simply applied themselves better to the modern world, that's all. That's why your entire campaign against the Muslim religion is a crock of **** really. You just judge on the actions of a few.

[lily.]

It's not the race colour or even age gap within reason that the dad should worry about.It's the difference in culture that matters.......Cultures that are poles apart can inevitably lead either to control of one side or the other and heart break and sometimes in some cultures deadly danger should a split in the relationship develop over time......Mothers have lost their children (Taken out of the country) due to lack of thought when getting involved with some cultures where the male dominates......

If I had to pick from the OP's list then I would say worry about the "Muslim" Culture which is ancient and set in its ways......Not at all suitable for a modern young miss who believes in equality of the sexes....

I totally agree, and I do have an almost teenage daughter.

[Niamh.]

I think it's only natural for parents to be concerned if their child is getting involved with someone who's from a totally different culture as what may be right and wrong in your culture may not be in theirs, I don't think this makes the person a racist just a concerned parent, I do however think that this pole is racist and may as well read "who do you hate the most"!!!

[lily.]

Also, to address Rémy's points about how his family were raised. I was raised alongside one brother. He brought girls home often, when we lived with our parents, but I never brought men home until I was engaged. If anything, I have grown up with self-respect. It might be double standards, but the world will always judge the behaviour of a girl, so my parents were doing it to protect my reputation.

Will I do the same with my son & daughter? I don't honestly know. I know my husband would allow my son to bring home girls, but not my daughter to bring home boys. But, the decision will not be his alone. When the time comes, I'll decide too, and I might do it the same way I was raised, or I might be more liberal and equal about it. Ask me again in 10 years.

[lily.]

I think it's only natural for parents to be concerned if their child is getting involved with someone who's from a totally different culture as what may be right and wrong in your culture may not be in theirs, I don't think this makes the person a racist just a concerned parent, I do however think that this pole is racist and may as well read "who do you hate the most"!!!


I disagree. It's not a racist poll. It's a poll to provoke discussion, and for others to offer their opinions. If some of the opinions are racist, that's not the OPs fault.

[InOne]

Niamh!!!! Don't start batting 'racist' around!! The word has been trampled on and misused enough times on here.

[Niamh.]

Niamh!!!! Don't start batting 'racist' around!! The word has been trampled on and misused enough times on here.


I'm not "batting" it around, thank you very much Joe!!

[lily.]

That's why I usually don't get involved in these 'sensitive' discussions. You have to be extra careful when airing your views, as the race card gets overplayed.

[Niamh.]

That's why I usually don't get involved in these 'sensitive' discussions. You have to be extra careful when airing your views, as the race card gets overplayed.

lol, I don't think I overplayed the word? I'm simply saying that alot of the debates the OP starts have something to do with race/religion

[lily.]

You didn't overplay it Niamh. I meant, in general, previous discussions have always ended up with the "You are a racist" posts all over the place.

[Stu]

lol, I don't think I overplayed the word? I'm simply saying that alot of the debates the OP starts have something to do with race/religion
Whatever about anybody elses opinions or the merits of this particular thread as a source of discussion, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that LeatherTrumpet has some clear discriminatory views. Of course when backed into a corner about this these type of people will try and flip the tables on you by claiming your a monster who will brand anybody who does not see things your way a racist.

Come on, one of his posts made heavy reference to the fact that homosexual men are incapable of true love, for christ sake.

[InOne]

lol, I don't think I overplayed the word? I'm simply saying that alot of the debates the OP starts have something to do with race/religion

It gets people going and some issues need to be addressed. But for some reason people merge culture/race/religion when they are all different.

[Niamh.]

You didn't overplay it Niamh. I meant, in general, previous discussions have always ended up with the "You are a racist" posts all over the place.

Yeah, I see that, I don't think I've ever accused anyone during those discussions of being racist though, the only reason I said that this poll might be is because I do think that the OP only did it to provoke reactions from certain people on here, though If I'm wrong about that then I apolgise!

[lily.]

Now that you've explained it, I get what you meant. And, I agree, the poll is provocative. I do think LT's agenda is to spark controversial debate, but that alone does not make him a racist.

[Niamh.]

Now that you've explained it, I get what you meant. And, I agree, the poll is provocative. I do think LT's agenda is to spark controversial debate, but that alone does not make him a racist.

that alone doesn't.............................. :joker:

[lily.]

Yup, that's what I'm saying. If he makes a racist post, I'll judge that on it's own merits, and when he made a homophobic post, I do believe I responded to him.

[Wildcat!]

Whatever about anybody elses opinions or the merits of this particular thread as a source of discussion, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that LeatherTrumpet has some clear discriminatory views. Of course when backed into a corner about this these type of people will try and flip the tables on you by claiming your a monster who will brand anybody who does not see things your way a racist.

Come on, one of his posts made heavy reference to the fact that homosexual men are incapable of true love, for christ sake.

Couldnt have said it any better! Ive told myself, not to post on these threads anymore, but its good to notice, that most people around here, or in society in general, dont hold their views. Our genaration, is almost there I think.

[setanta]

Whatever about anybody elses opinions or the merits of this particular thread as a source of discussion, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that LeatherTrumpet has some clear discriminatory views. Of course when backed into a corner about this these type of people will try and flip the tables on you by claiming your a monster who will brand anybody who does not see things your way a racist.

Come on, one of his posts made heavy reference to the fact that homosexual men are incapable of true love, for christ sake.

The homosexual one, yeah - I'd forgotten that little doozie. And I remember the time LT questioned me on my sexuality because I wasn't agreeing with them on a certain issue.

[Niamh.]

Yup, that's what I'm saying. If he makes a racist post, I'll judge that on it's own merits, and when he made a homophobic post, I do believe I responded to him.

I wouldn't expect you to just take my word for it at all!!

[lily.]

No, I didn't mean to imply that you did expect that.. oh god.. haha.. I'm talking myself round in circles now.. but ye get what I meant! :thumbs:

[Niamh.]

No, I didn't mean to imply that you did expect that.. oh god.. haha.. I'm talking myself round in circles now.. but ye get what I meant! :thumbs:

lol, :thumbs:

[Niamh.]

My opinion on this topic is : I would be worried no matter who my daughter brought home and would like to get to know that individual person to make sure that he is good enough for my child!!

[lily.]

Nobody is good enough for our kids.. let's face it Niamh lol

[Niamh.]

Nobody is good enough for our kids.. let's face it Niamh lol

that is true, she'll just have to be a nun then (lol maybe not!!)

[Wildcat!]

My opinion on this topic is : I would be worried no matter who my daughter brought home and would like to get to know that individual person to make sure that he is good enough for my child!!

amen! It doesnt matter what outside package that person come in, its al about who they are as a person. And if you get to spend sometimes with that guy, you will know about him. But most of all, I think you should trust, how youve raised your daughter.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Now that you've explained it, I get what you meant. And, I agree, the poll is provocative. I do think LT's agenda is to spark controversial debate, but that alone does not make him a racist.

Nah I thought that at first but he makes countless threads arguing against multiculturalism (and homosexuality), some of the things he says are straight out of Mein Kampf

[lily.]

All joking aside, when the time comes we (as parents) have to let go and let them make choices - good and bad.

It's one thing to have an opinion on who she chooses, but it's another to force your opinion onto them.

[lily.]

Nah I thought that at first but he makes countless threads arguing against multiculturalism, some of the things he says are straight out of Mein Kanmf


Dammit Netto.. I hate it when I have to wiki stuff you post..























:P

[NettoSuperstar!]

SoZ lol... welcome back anyway :)

[Niamh.]

All joking aside, when the time comes we (as parents) have to let go and let them make choices - good and bad.

It's one thing to have an opinion on who she chooses, but it's another to force your opinion onto them.

of course and we're going to worry no matter what!!

[Wildcat!]

Dammit Netto.. I hate it when I have to wiki stuff you post..






















:P

I knew that one Lili! MOn combat, In French! IYoure stupid.:hugesmile:

[Niamh.]

amen! It doesnt matter what outside package that person come in, its al about who they are as a person. And if you get to spend sometimes with that guy, you will know about him. But most of all, I think you should trust, how youve raised your daughter.

exactly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"What of the below would, if you were a Dad, worry you the most if your 17 year old daughter brought home as a new boyfriend (and why)"

that was the thread. What would worry you the most?


Not what after you had got to know the guy after 6 months. Not what in an ideal world, not bearing in mind everyone is lovely.

There is little merit in posting "It doesnt matter what outside package that person come in, its al about who they are as a person. And if you get to spend sometimes with that guy, you will know about him. But most of all, I think you should trust, how youve raised your daughter."

because it is not relevant, it may sound good and make you feel nice but it is not what this thread is about.

This thread is about being a Dad, being responsible for your daughter and making a judgement based on few facts. This is reality not happyland.

You may not have time to get to know the boy/man before a problem (if it) arises, you do not have that luxury. This is why sometimes, like this, "wonderful world" politics are no use.

hence the thread.

[WOMBAI]

amen! It doesnt matter what outside package that person come in, its al about who they are as a person. And if you get to spend sometimes with that guy, you will know about him. But most of all, I think you should trust, how youve raised your daughter.

Tell that to the Muslims who don't allow their daughters freedom of choice - and there have been several cases here in Britain recently of young Muslim girls being murdered by their own fathers and brothers for daring to have a white, English boyfriend! You are preaching to the wrong people!!:joker:

[SiaSiaSia]

2. A 22 year old traveller (gypsy)
6. A 22 year old Rasta

[Niamh.]

"What of the below would, if you were a Dad, worry you the most if your 17 year old daughter brought home as a new boyfriend (and why)"

that was the thread. What would worry you the most?


Not what after you had got to know the guy after 6 months. Not what in an ideal world, not bearing in mind everyone is lovely.

There is little merit in posting "It doesnt matter what outside package that person come in, its al about who they are as a person. And if you get to spend sometimes with that guy, you will know about him. But most of all, I think you should trust, how youve raised your daughter."

because it is not relevant, it may sound good and make you feel nice but it is not what this thread is about.

This thread is about being a Dad, being responsible for your daughter and making a judgement based on few facts. This is reality not happyland.

You may not have time to get to know the boy/man before a problem (if it) arises, you do not have that luxury. This is why sometimes, like this, "wonderful world" politics are no use.

hence the thread.

I'll choose the last option so - all blokes!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Tell that to the Muslims who don't allow their daughters freedom of choice - and there have been several cases here in Britain recently of young Muslim girls being murdered by their own fathers and brothers for daring to have a white, English boyfriend! You are preaching to the wrong people!!:joker:

And tell that to the vast majority of muslims who dont do any of what your saying

[WOMBAI]

And tell that to the vast majority of muslims who dont do any of what your saying

So you say - but you don't hear of other religions behaving in that way towards women. That religion/culture certainly seems to breed misogyny!

[NettoSuperstar!]

So you say - but you don't hear of other religions behaving in that way towards women. That religion/culture certainly seems to breed misogyny!

yeh actually you do...except not rammed down our throats like the Daily mail do with muslims...and by the way the Swiss have a poor record on womens rights, women only got the vote in 1971 and in some areas only in 1991 and they dont have the same level of equality that we enjoy in Britain! hypocrites or what?


"just a few years ago the Pope issued a statement against those dastardly feminist ideologies that support the crazy notion that men and women are created equal. And last year, the Vatican let any liberal-leaning Catholics know that if they dared to ordain any female priests, the women of God would be immediately excommunicated."

"Unless you want to ban all religious symbols (and probably a slew of capitalist ones too) as emblems of male power that attack women's rights, this argument just doesn't hold water. You can dress up xenophobia and religious intolerance in fancy rhetoric all you want, but that won't change what it is. I'm disappointed to see feminism and women's rights co-opted to undermine religious freedom, when there are so many serious gender problems to attend to."

http://womensrights.change.org/blog/view/swiss_ban_minarets_is_this_about_womens_rights_or_ wronging_religion

"So I say" lol...I know you dont want to believe it but its fact

[WOMBAI]

yeh actually you do...except not rammed down our throats like the Daily mail do with muslims...and by the way the Swiss have a poor record on womens rights, women only got the vote in 1971 and in some areas only in 1991 and they dont have the same level of equality that we enjoy in Britain! hypocrites or what?


"just a few years ago the Pope issued a statement against those dastardly feminist ideologies that support the crazy notion that men and women are created equal. And last year, the Vatican let any liberal-leaning Catholics know that if they dared to ordain any female priests, the women of God would be immediately excommunicated."

"Unless you want to ban all religious symbols (and probably a slew of capitalist ones too) as emblems of male power that attack women's rights, this argument just doesn't hold water. You can dress up xenophobia and religious intolerance in fancy rhetoric all you want, but that won't change what it is. I'm disappointed to see feminism and women's rights co-opted to undermine religious freedom, when there are so many serious gender problems to attend to."

http://womensrights.change.org/blog/view/swiss_ban_minarets_is_this_about_womens_rights_or_ wronging_religion

"So I say" lol...I know you dont want to believe it but its fact

Well, well we have been doing our homework - busy googling for all we are worth! Not all fact - much is opinion!

For the record - I am not a great fan of the Catholic religion either because of some of the attitudes towards women - but those attitudes are not as extreme and dangerous as many of the Muslim ones - they certainly don't murder women who don't conform in this day and age.

The Catholic and Christian religions are part of British culture - they are not perfect - but they have moved with the times and women have freedoms they didn't have previously - the same does not appear to be the same for most Muslim women. Most other religions freely practice their religious beliefs in their adoptive countries - without constanly ramming it down the throats of the people in those countries - and do not constantly expect special priviledges that go against the culture of that country - in the name of their religious freedoms - ie the wearing of burkhas in public places.

You must be living on the planet zog if you really believe that most British Muslim women and girls have the freedoms and equality the majority of British women have. British women have had to fight hard for the freedoms they have today - and are not about to stand by and see them undermined by other religions that blatantly flaunt their oppressive views and behaviours towards women on the streets of their country.

[Wildcat!]

Seriously, for the people who find this appalling, and have posted on this thread, you cant change the minds of of those who cant. Thats just who they are. We all differ in how we see the world, and enjoy it.

I have seen a lot of good come out of this event. Most people who really matter, have condemned it. In the grand scheme of thinigs, our generation has once again, shown itself, to be against prejudice, and intolerance.
The Swiss will get there.

[WOMBAI]

Oh yes - and only those that agree with you - really matter! The arrogance!

The Swiss have simply shown that they are a force to be reaconed with - and will stand up and be counted! Of course they will be riduculed by those that don't want them to do so. Only to be expected!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seriously, for the people who find this appalling, and have posted on this thread, you cant change the minds of of those who cant. Thats just who they are. We all differ in how we see the world, and enjoy it.

I have seen a lot of good come out of this event. Most people who really matter, have condemned it. In the grand scheme of thinigs, our generation has once again, shown itself, to be against prejudice, and intolerance.
The Swiss will get there.

what an arrogant croc of ****.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well, well we have been doing our homework - busy googling for all we are worth! Not all fact - much is opinion!

For the record - I am not a great fan of the Catholic religion either because of some of the attitudes towards women - but those attitudes are not as extreme and dangerous as many of the Muslim ones - they certainly don't murder women who don't conform in this day and age.

The Catholic and Christian religions are part of British culture - they are not perfect - but they have moved with the times and women have freedoms they didn't have previously - the same does not appear to be the same for most Muslim women. Most other religions freely practice their religious beliefs in their adoptive countries - without constanly ramming it down the throats of the people in those countries - and do not constantly expect special priviledges that go against the culture of that country - in the name of their religious freedoms - ie the wearing of burkhas in public places.

You must be living on the planet zog if you really believe that most British Muslim women and girls have the freedoms and equality the majority of British women have. British women have had to fight hard for the freedoms they have today - and are not about to stand by and see them undermined by other religions that blatantly flaunt their oppressive views and behaviours towards women on the streets of their country.

Nothing has been undermined, nothing has been forced upon anyone else and nothing will. Oppression against women occurs in all sections of society and the sections of muslim society your talking about, it is their fight and their choice whether they want to fight it. It doesnt affect you and never will.

Human rights abuses occur all around the world and its really to do with with the development of the country, education, wealth, opportunities the ordinary people have, the history of the people and exposure to other cultures etc, nothing to do with race or religion

[NettoSuperstar!]

what an arrogant croc of ****.

True tho:hugesmile:

[WOMBAI]

True tho:hugesmile:

Definitions, definitions! :joker: