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InOne
21-11-2009, 05:46 PM
Came from money anyway, had quite a privileged upbringing. Lyrically she is not too strong. Seems she had quite an ego and already see's herself as an icon. Has to try to shock by the way she dressed, but they make her look silly most of the time. Quite the narcissist is some ways. Her latest song is particularly shocking. The way she is going I can't see her lasting too long. She took a while to make it over here really, and she has not had as big impact as she probably hoped.

xDramatick
21-11-2009, 05:47 PM
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this help make up your mind?

InOne
21-11-2009, 05:50 PM
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this help make up your mind?

Yes not bad, sure she can sing but so can alot of people. This is not the GaGa of today is it!!!!

MissKittyFantastico
21-11-2009, 05:51 PM
I do think she's got a great voice and I like pretty much all her songs, but I'm not sure if she'll still be around in 5 years time put it that way lol.

Bit of a flash in the pan I reckon. But I am a fan.

InOne
21-11-2009, 05:52 PM
I do think she's got a great voice and I like pretty much all her songs, but I'm not sure if she'll still be around in 5 years time put it that way lol.

Bit of a flash in the pan I reckon. But I am a fan.

Yeah seems so. Unless she totally reinvents herself or something.

MrGaryy
21-11-2009, 05:55 PM
I think so. She has a very wide vocal range, she just doesn't choose to display it on a lot of her current work. Lyrically, she the probably the best singer-songwriter in the mainstream at the minute. Her look is quirky and definitely attentionseeking but I think at the end of the day when she has consistently produced such solid bodies of work, it makes up for it.

InOne
21-11-2009, 05:58 PM
I think so. She has a very wide vocal range, she just doesn't choose to display it on a lot of her current work. Lyrically, she the probably the best singer-songwriter in the mainstream at the minute. Her look is quirky and definitely attentionseeking but I think at the end of the day when she has consistently produced such solid bodies of work, it makes up for it.

Nah just lyrically she does not seem to strong to me. And if she can sing, she is wasting it with stupid things like "ohhh la ga ga ga" in her songs.

Sophii3x
21-11-2009, 06:00 PM
Well she writes all of her songs, she's a great singer and puts on amazing shows. But as much as I adore her and her music, the ridiculous attention whoring outfits she's been wearing the past few months have just annoyed me (her late 2008/early 2009 style ftw).

InOne
21-11-2009, 06:04 PM
Well she writes all of her songs, she's a great singer and puts on amazing shows. But as much as I adore her and her music, the ridiculous attention whoring outfits she's been wearing the past few months have just annoyed me (her late 2008/early 2009 style ftw).

Yep, did you see her with the Tea Cup on Jonny Ross??? Was just ridiculous.

MrGaryy
21-11-2009, 06:10 PM
Nah just lyrically she does not seem to strong to me. And if she can sing, she is wasting it with stupid things like "ohhh la ga ga ga" in her songs.

thats only a hook and there's a lot more to it than just random syllables. Clubbers are gonna eat that up, its the perfect chant, easy to remember people everywhere will be singing along which makes for a very catchy song. She knows what makes a smash hit. Lyrically, I can assure you, if you have listened to more than her singles she is VERY strong.

Z
21-11-2009, 06:11 PM
I find it hard to believe that's her in the video Darenn posted. I find the Lady GaGa image ridiculous and impossible to like, if she keeps that up then she will just be another fad that dies out by this time next year.

InOne
21-11-2009, 06:12 PM
thats only a hook and there's a lot more to it than just random syllables. Clubbers are gonna eat that up, its the perfect chant, easy to remember people everywhere will be singing along which makes for a very catchy song. She knows what makes a smash hit. Lyrically, I can assure you, if you have listened to more than her singles she is VERY strong.

So do we just accept she is a shallow artist that feeds crappy lyrics to clubbers?

Ninastar
21-11-2009, 06:13 PM
Tbh I think she is really talented but goes about it in the wrong way. Sometimes I think the ways she acts is really fake and not her but no one really knows the real her. If she was a bit more normal, people would be able to relate to her and then she would have more fans. But then again saying this, she could loose fans who like her 'creativeness'. So I am stuck really.

MrGaryy
21-11-2009, 06:15 PM
So do we just accept she is a shallow artist that feeds crappy lyrics to clubbers?

well as I just said, if you have listened to her whole body of work, which you clearly havent I think it's safe to assume, you would hear a lot more than that.

InOne
21-11-2009, 06:17 PM
well as I just said, if you have listened to her whole body of work, which you clearly havent I think it's safe to assume, you would hear a lot more than that.

So if she has talent, then why churn out the crappy songs. In it for the money mostly maybe? ;) Also she tries way too hard.

Z
21-11-2009, 06:17 PM
well as I just said, if you have listened to her whole body of work, which you clearly havent I think it's safe to assume, you would hear a lot more than that.

But then why would somebody go listen to the rest of her stuff if they're unimpressed by the stuff they release? Generally speaking, artists release songs off their albums that they want people to like best about that album. I really had no idea Lady GaGa could sing; that video Darenn posted took me by surprise. Lady GaGa is a gimmick that'll be long forgotten if she doesn't reinvent herself every so often, because it'll get stale.

Jords
21-11-2009, 06:27 PM
Well she writes all of her songs, she's a great singer and puts on amazing shows. But as much as I adore her and her music, the ridiculous attention whoring outfits she's been wearing the past few months have just annoyed me (her late 2008/early 2009 style ftw).

This.

MrGaryy
21-11-2009, 06:30 PM
But then why would somebody go listen to the rest of her stuff if they're unimpressed by the stuff they release? Generally speaking, artists release songs off their albums that they want people to like best about that album. I really had no idea Lady GaGa could sing; that video Darenn posted took me by surprise. Lady GaGa is a gimmick that'll be long forgotten if she doesn't reinvent herself every so often, because it'll get stale.

Well naturally I didn't expect him to have heard it, if he didn't like what she chose to put out there why would he have. She is however releasing a ballad off her new album called Speechless so hopefully that will give a lot more people a taste of what she's capable of.

Wildcat!
21-11-2009, 06:32 PM
well as I just said, if you have listened to her whole body of work, which you clearly havent I think it's safe to assume, you would hear a lot more than that.

Why would someone listen to her whole body of work, if they are annoyed with her mainstream stuff?

I happen to think she is good BTW. SHe just figured out, how to stand out from the pack. There are a lot o people that can sing really well, but they have to have something extra to be a superstar. ANd credit to her, she has figured out a way to do it.

MrGaryy
21-11-2009, 06:35 PM
So if she has talent, then why churn out the crappy songs. In it for the money mostly maybe? ;) Also she tries way too hard.

Becuase she's all about the fans and she knows that's what's going to please them. That's what any artist does, they try to appeal to the mass which is what she's doing by releasing all up tempo numbers.

Vladimir
21-11-2009, 06:46 PM
Well, she's a good songwriter, but I don't like her voice.

MiuMiu
21-11-2009, 06:55 PM
But then why would somebody go listen to the rest of her stuff if they're unimpressed by the stuff they release? Generally speaking, artists release songs off their albums that they want people to like best about that album. I really had no idea Lady GaGa could sing; that video Darenn posted took me by surprise. Lady GaGa is a gimmick that'll be long forgotten if she doesn't reinvent herself every so often, because it'll get stale.

That's what I think too.
Like Madonna, she'll have to reinvent herself every time to stay current.

I do think that Gaga has a good voice. To say that she has a wide range is ludachris. people like Mariah and Beyonce have a wide range.
She stays in the 2-3 octave range most of the time. Which is fine. :)

I also think she is really good at creating instant hit songs.
She knows what will go down well in the pop culture zetgeist that has become mainstream music and what will sell.
Gary, I would argue though that her more "Serious" songs like 'Speechless", "Again, Again" however prove that lyricaly she is not strong at all.
People in the mainstream like Ne-Yo and Keri Hilson are better lyricists really, if you listen closely.
But let's be honest, none come lose to those musicians workin outside of the mainstream like the Artic Monkey's, Rufus Wainright, Tori Amos, or countless others.

But where Gaga excels over most of her counterparts today in the mainstream is her ability to create the sense of intrigue/ fascination in her and her work.
She is a fantastic business lady.
Her outragous, houte couture outfits.
Her sometimes crazy antic's on shows such as her appearance on Jonathan Ross.
Her "Haus of Gaga/La maison de Gaga".
Her fascination with Andy Warhol and his ideals on the modern quest for fame.
Her creative above-the-norm videos like "Papparazzi" and "Bad Romance".
These are all truly, I believe, just publicity devices to fuel the crazy, kookoo image of Gaga. And thus to create public interest in her.
"What will she do next?" etc.
But, this could all very well be argued against by a Gaga fan/representative as Gaga just being "Artisic" too and everything she does comming under the banner of "Art".
SO smart!
:)

The best example of this I can find is the issue of whether or not Gaga could possible be a hermaphrodite or not.
She has Never publicly come out to say that she is or is not.
This is such a smart move I think.
Whatever it does, it gets people talking about her.
"Is she a man? I herad she was" and all that.
And as they say, any publicity is good publicity.

I like Gaga.
I like her catchy music, despite it's obvious downfalls.
I do not like the fact that she is an obvious fame *****.
But I respect her for being a very smart business lady and playing the media and mainstream pop-culture like she does her piano.

;)
I also believe that to say that she is a flash in the pan is a bit premature.
As I said before, she's smarter then most mainstream artists out there.
She can certainly manage I long lasting career I think if she contines to be as smart about managing her public image and how to create public interest in her and her music.
:)

M X
21-11-2009, 06:58 PM
All talent & more! :D

MrGaryy
21-11-2009, 07:24 PM
That's what I think too.
Like Madonna, she'll have to reinvent herself every time to stay current.

I do think that Gaga has a good voice. To say that she has a wide range is ludachris. people like Mariah and Beyonce have a wide range.
She stays in the 2-3 octave range most of the time. Which is fine. :)


*ludicrous
yews she does tend to stay in that range on most of her work, but if you look at some of her old work, or her live performances you can see she can stretch out of that range with a ease.

Tom
21-11-2009, 07:28 PM
"coz I'm bluffin' with my muffin"

says it all really

She can't sing, she is autotuned like mad

Her songs sound the same

She has about a million gimmicks

In all I think shes just a massive gimmick with no talent, and once the bubble bursts she'll just be spat out into obscurity like everyone else who tries to be different

Ramsay
21-11-2009, 07:32 PM
Shes extremly overated

InOne
21-11-2009, 07:33 PM
That's what I think too.
Like Madonna, she'll have to reinvent herself every time to stay current.

I do think that Gaga has a good voice. To say that she has a wide range is ludachris. people like Mariah and Beyonce have a wide range.
She stays in the 2-3 octave range most of the time. Which is fine. :)

I also think she is really good at creating instant hit songs.
She knows what will go down well in the pop culture zetgeist that has become mainstream music and what will sell.
Gary, I would argue though that her more "Serious" songs like 'Speechless", "Again, Again" however prove that lyricaly she is not strong at all.
People in the mainstream like Ne-Yo and Keri Hilson are better lyricists really, if you listen closely.
But let's be honest, none come lose to those musicians workin outside of the mainstream like the Artic Monkey's, Rufus Wainright, Tori Amos, or countless others.

But where Gaga excels over most of her counterparts today in the mainstream is her ability to create the sense of intrigue/ fascination in her and her work.
She is a fantastic business lady.
Her outragous, houte couture outfits.
Her sometimes crazy antic's on shows such as her appearance on Jonathan Ross.
Her "Haus of Gaga/La maison de Gaga".
Her fascination with Andy Warhol and his ideals on the modern quest for fame.
Her creative above-the-norm videos like "Papparazzi" and "Bad Romance".
These are all truly, I believe, just publicity devices to fuel the crazy, kookoo image of Gaga. And thus to create public interest in her.
"What will she do next?" etc.
But, this could all very well be argued against by a Gaga fan/representative as Gaga just being "Artisic" too and everything she does comming under the banner of "Art".
SO smart!
:)

The best example of this I can find is the issue of whether or not Gaga could possible be a hermaphrodite or not.
She has Never publicly come out to say that she is or is not.
This is such a smart move I think.
Whatever it does, it gets people talking about her.
"Is she a man? I herad she was" and all that.
And as they say, any publicity is good publicity.

I like Gaga.
I like her catchy music, despite it's obvious downfalls.
I do not like the fact that she is an obvious fame *****.
But I respect her for being a very smart business lady and playing the media and mainstream pop-culture like she does her piano.

;)
I also believe that to say that she is a flash in the pan is a bit premature.
As I said before, she's smarter then most mainstream artists out there.
She can certainly manage I long lasting career I think if she contines to be as smart about managing her public image and how to create public interest in her and her music.
:)

Epic post!!!!

Tom4784
21-11-2009, 07:33 PM
I find her quite interesting, She has a lot of potential.

Ninastar
21-11-2009, 07:44 PM
I find her quite interesting, She has a lot of potential.

I thought you used to absoltley hate uer? maybe its someone else lol x

InOne
21-11-2009, 07:46 PM
She is not great, or particularly special.

Tom4784
21-11-2009, 08:00 PM
I thought you used to absoltley hate uer? maybe its someone else lol x

She's growing on me.

Ninastar
21-11-2009, 08:01 PM
She's growing on me.

hehe this is good!!!! :)

Scarlett.
21-11-2009, 08:10 PM
She is talented, but she is just starting to wear off now, Bad Romance isnt too impressive

Harry!
21-11-2009, 08:14 PM
Madonna said that Lady Gaga reminds her of herself when she was started. Wich from the Queen of Pop that is a great comment to say.

Lady Gaga herself is a ok singer but unless she re-invents herself to a new style then she wont last long. That will help herself deeply.

*mazedsalv**
21-11-2009, 08:20 PM
Her vocals are great, and her songs are very very good... makes up for her personality.
See, i dont really like her, but her songs are really good.

InOne
21-11-2009, 08:22 PM
Madonna said that Lady Gaga reminds her of herself when she was started. Wich from the Queen of Pop that is a great comment to say.

Lady Gaga herself is a ok singer but unless she re-invents herself to a new style then she wont last long. That will help herself deeply.

Didn't she say that about Britney too? Maybe Madonna just goes on flavour of the week.

Harry!
21-11-2009, 08:25 PM
Didn't she say that about Britney too? Maybe Madonna just goes on flavour of the week.

Britney has colabarated with Madonna many times most recently on her Human Nature backdrop for her Sticky and Sweet Tour (I post at the bottom)

Britney has had a great carear and unless Lady Gaga follows in Britney steps that wont happern.

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InOne
21-11-2009, 08:32 PM
Britney has colabarated with Madonna many times most recently on her Human Nature backdrop for her Sticky and Sweet Tour (I post at the bottom)

Britney has had a great carear and unless Lady Gaga follows in Britney steps that wont happern.

h7l8sLpdn58

Madonna's voice is not too strong here. She almost seems nervous.

Harry!
21-11-2009, 08:35 PM
Madonna's voice is not too strong here. She almost seems nervous.

Thats not her best preformance I have to say. But that song is a hard song to sing live take this version for instance. Not the best version.

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The original music video.

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PS - This is my second fave Madonna song!

KKBL
21-11-2009, 11:58 PM
"coz I'm bluffin' with my muffin"

says it all really

She can't sing, she is autotuned like mad

Her songs sound the same

She has about a million gimmicks

In all I think shes just a massive gimmick with no talent, and once the bubble bursts she'll just be spat out into obscurity like everyone else who tries to be different

You obviously didn't see the video darren posted on the last page?
She can sing(amazingly).
& how can somebody who can play the piano like that(nevermind the vocals or songwriting) have no talent?

Stu
22-11-2009, 01:26 PM
I think some of you are sort of missing the point. Lady GaGa is in the pop music business, and at that particular craft she succeeds extremely well and knows exactly how to draw attention to herself, which is essential. She is not Morrissey, John Lennon, or Johnny Rotten. If your approaching Lady GaGa looking for deep, introspective, political lyrics, your the idiot, not her. It's a different game.

Barbie
22-11-2009, 01:35 PM
she can sing, i wouldn't say it was outstanding singing but then with music now you don't have to be a brilliant singer, if we all decided to only listen to outstanding singers then there wouldn't be many artists left

so i don't think she needs to be overly talented, she knows how to work the crowd and her audiences so she can just go for it

Stu
22-11-2009, 01:39 PM
she can sing, i wouldn't say it was outstanding singing but then with music now you don't have to be a brilliant singer, if we all decided to only listen to outstanding singers then there wouldn't be many artists left

so i don't think she needs to be overly talented, she knows how to work the crowd and her audiences so she can just go for it
Exactly. I don't see the obsession people have with excellent singing voices. It's about using the voice you have. Did Johnny Rotten have a great singing voice? No. Couldn't sing a note. No vocal range. Did it matter? No. He is still one of the most memorable and prolific frontmen of all time, with one of the best and most memorable voices ever in popular music.

Then look at the flip side of the coin. How many great singers have come up through talent shows? Plenty. And virtually all of them don't have a lick of individuality, stage presence, or creativity.

Music should be art. Not a technical competition.

MeMyselfAndI
22-11-2009, 01:39 PM
no shes CRAP

Smithy
22-11-2009, 02:08 PM
That's what I think too.
Like Madonna, she'll have to reinvent herself every time to stay current.

I do think that Gaga has a good voice. To say that she has a wide range is ludachris. people like Mariah and Beyonce have a wide range.
She stays in the 2-3 octave range most of the time. Which is fine. :)

I also think she is really good at creating instant hit songs.
She knows what will go down well in the pop culture zetgeist that has become mainstream music and what will sell.
Gary, I would argue though that her more "Serious" songs like 'Speechless", "Again, Again" however prove that lyricaly she is not strong at all.
People in the mainstream like Ne-Yo and Keri Hilson are better lyricists really, if you listen closely.
But let's be honest, none come lose to those musicians workin outside of the mainstream like the Artic Monkey's, Rufus Wainright, Tori Amos, or countless others.

But where Gaga excels over most of her counterparts today in the mainstream is her ability to create the sense of intrigue/ fascination in her and her work.
She is a fantastic business lady.
Her outragous, houte couture outfits.
Her sometimes crazy antic's on shows such as her appearance on Jonathan Ross.
Her "Haus of Gaga/La maison de Gaga".
Her fascination with Andy Warhol and his ideals on the modern quest for fame.
Her creative above-the-norm videos like "Papparazzi" and "Bad Romance".
These are all truly, I believe, just publicity devices to fuel the crazy, kookoo image of Gaga. And thus to create public interest in her.
"What will she do next?" etc.
But, this could all very well be argued against by a Gaga fan/representative as Gaga just being "Artisic" too and everything she does comming under the banner of "Art".
SO smart!
:)

The best example of this I can find is the issue of whether or not Gaga could possible be a hermaphrodite or not.
She has Never publicly come out to say that she is or is not.
This is such a smart move I think.
Whatever it does, it gets people talking about her.
"Is she a man? I herad she was" and all that.
And as they say, any publicity is good publicity.

I like Gaga.
I like her catchy music, despite it's obvious downfalls.
I do not like the fact that she is an obvious fame *****.
But I respect her for being a very smart business lady and playing the media and mainstream pop-culture like she does her piano.

;)
I also believe that to say that she is a flash in the pan is a bit premature.
As I said before, she's smarter then most mainstream artists out there.
She can certainly manage I long lasting career I think if she contines to be as smart about managing her public image and how to create public interest in her and her music.
:)

^ OMG KEEN ^
anyway i love gaga she writes all her own songs & has a great voice

'Conor
22-11-2009, 02:33 PM
i dont like lady gaga at all some of her music is ok

MiuMiu
22-11-2009, 04:19 PM
Epic post!!!!

Thank you lol!

Tom4784
22-11-2009, 04:24 PM
I think it's too early to say, she does pop extremely well. I'll judge her after a few albums.