Expelled at 4 years old

[arista]

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Expelled at the age of 4: School says he attacked two teachers but his parents insist he's just lively


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230238/Immature-boy-4-youngest-pupils-expelled-catalogue-problems.html#ixzz0XlhNvsQ3



Life under New Labour.

[Captain.Remy]

That's what my parents told to my school when I was about 5, I was 'lively' lmao

You go little boy ! Show them who's the boss :tongue:

[Niamh.]

lol@Remy!

I'd like to see his parents, I reckon that would explain alot!

[arsenalforever]

lol@Remy!

I'd like to see his parents, I reckon that would explain alot!

he looks like his dad is a football hooligan:joker:

[Niamh.]

he looks like his dad is a football hooligan:joker:

haha, yeah, probably!

[WOMBAI]

When you first read the headline - rightly or wrongly, you automatically visualize the parents to be a certain 'type' - but the article says his father is a civil engineer which suggests the family are not as bad as you first think.

[arsenalforever]

haha, yeah, probably!

thats why i think kids like him need smacks
i bet he's allowed to get away with murnder

[Captain.Remy]

When you first read the headline - rightly or wrongly, you automatically visualize the parents to be a certain 'type' - but the article says his father is a civil engineer which suggests the family are not as bad as you first think.

Exactly. I mean, it doesn't always have to be from the parents. The kid may be very 'lively' by himself. I mean, I'm an alive example lol

[Niamh.]

Yeah. point taken but 90% of the time it's cos their parents are rough. Probably in this case he's a spoilt brat who's never told off so thinks he can do whatever-the-**** he likes which is also the parents fault.

[Captain.Remy]

Yeah. point taken but 90% of the time it's cos their parents are rough. Probably in this case he's a spoilt brat who's never told off so thinks he can do whatever-the-**** he likes which is also the parents fault.

Yeah you're right. In 90% of the time, it's due to their family background but sometimes it can also be in their personality yet I'm sure he's a spoilt brat lol I'd rather have a son that is outgoing and lively than a too nice boring one.

He looks good on this pic, that little monster. :hugesmile:

[Niamh.]

you can't call your kids boring lol!! I'd definately rather have "boring" kids than little brats!! I take it you have no kids yet?? Lets see if you feel the same when your the one having to deal with the little monsters lol

[pinkmichk]

oh how quick people are to make assumptions based on a story in a newspaper do any of you know the family/boy personally there could be numerous reasons why he has behaved like he has and arista its not down to new labour which is your standard answer to anything he could be lively some kids are he could have medical things like being on the autism spectrum that the paper have not known/said about none of us know his or his familys full background so we shouldnt be so quick to judge

[Niamh.]

Well, it's just a conversation PinkMichK and usually that is the case. Of course there are cases where it is a medical condition or something but 9 times out of 10 it's down to the parents.

[InOne]

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I think he looks more like Grant. ;)

[Crimson Dynamo]

In the old days he would have got a clip round the ear and sent home where he would have got a bare bottom skelping. The next day he would have been an angel.

Boys need discipline, not exclusion (due to the fear of blame if they tried to do their job)

Life under new labour and hand-wringing liberals who dream and legislate for the ideal world but live in the real one

[Lauren]

How come his parents refused a special action plan to deal with his behaviour? It would get him back in school and on the right path, but instead they choose to act the victims.

[Beastie]

How come his parents refused a special action plan to deal with his behaviour? It would get him back in school and on the right path, but instead they choose to act the victims.

I hope the parents are not going to "sue" for bloody money!!

Anyway yeah we dont know the full story but 9 times out of 10 it will be the parent's fault.. however he could have a medical condition, autism or something?

[Niamh.]

I hope the parents are not going to "sue" for bloody money!!

Anyway yeah we dont know the full story but 9 times out of 10 it will be the parent's fault.. however he could have a medical condition, autism or something?

even if he does have a medical problem (which I doubt) Teachers shouldn't have to put up with being kicked and the other students shouldn't have to lose attention because the teachers have to spend all their time on him. If he does have a condition(which I doubt) the parents need to get him seen to before they can expect teachers to have him back in their classroom

[Beastie]

even if he does have a medical problem (which I doubt) Teachers shouldn't have to put up with being kicked and the other students shouldn't have to lose attention because the teachers have to spend all their time on him. If he does have a condition(which I doubt) the parents need to get him seen to before they can expect teachers to have him back in their classroom

Yeah that is true and more discipline needs to happen. Parents and teachers need to join forces and work together, rather than work against each other and so and so playing the victims and want "money" out of the problem..

[atieah2009]

oh how quick people are to make assumptions based on a story in a newspaper do any of you know the family/boy personally there could be numerous reasons why he has behaved like he has and arista its not down to new labour which is your standard answer to anything he could be lively some kids are he could have medical things like being on the autism spectrum that the paper have not known/said about none of us know his or his familys full background so we shouldnt be so quick to judge

Labour is the fault to everything according to him

[Enid]

Ridiculous. I hope the parents get a right bollocking for this. Taking a 4 year old out of education is unacceptable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ridiculous. I hope the parents get a right bollocking for this. Taking a 4 year old out of education is unacceptable.

to be fair he should not be in education, he should be at home with his mum.

7 is the time to start education, not 4.

[Enid]

to be fair he should not be in education, he should be at home with his mum.

7 is the time to start education, not 4.
I disagree.

If he believes attacking two teachers is normal behaviour maybe he should not be with his parents, period.

[WOMBAI]

I disagree.

If he believes attacking two teachers is normal behaviour maybe he should not be with his parents, period.

A lot depends on people's definition of the word 'attacking'. From my experience of teachers today - what with everyone being very pc - many are often over-dramatic in their use of words like that. I know an incident of a child that tapped another child on the shoulder with the blunt end of a pencil to get their attention - and a teacher accused them of 'stabbing' the child. Things are not always as black and white as some teachers make out.

[Enid]

A lot depends on people's definition of the word 'attacking'. From my experience of teachers today - what with everyone being very pc - many are often over-dramatic in their use of words like that. I know an incident of a child that tapped another child on the shoulder with the blunt end of a pencil to get their attention - and a teacher accused them of 'stabbing' the child. Things are not always as black and white as some teachers make out.
I realise issues can be over-dramatised. I'm just going by what was said in the article. What lengths does a 4 year old have to go to, to get expelled, though?!

[Prole]

The school were right to expel him. They have to consider all the other kids from whom he's diverting attention. It is not the school's responsibility to teach manners and discipline, it's the parents'. He's their kid, he's their responsibility. Obviously they're not bothered by the fact that that their child is heading for a troubled life because they would have had to agree to his photograph being used by the press. They most be so proud.

As for the comment about the father being a civil engineer, "which suggests the family are not as bad as you first think", that's pretty blinkered. I come into contact with professionals and people who would consider themselves "upper class" on a daily basis and a large proportion of them are real scumbags who's kids are arrogant and unruly. Social class has nothing to do with manners and breeding.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The school were right to expel him. They have to consider all the other kids from whom he's diverting attention. It is not the school's responsibility to teach manners and discipline, it's the parents'. He's their kid, he's their responsibility. Obviously they're not bothered by the fact that that their child is heading for a troubled life because they would have had to agree to his photograph being used by the press. They most be so proud.

As for the comment about the father being a civil engineer, "which suggests the family are not as bad as you first think", that's pretty blinkered. I come into contact with professionals and people who would consider themselves "upper class" on a daily basis and a large proportion of them are real scumbags who's kids are arrogant and unruly. Social class has nothing to do with manners and breeding.

Social class has nothing to do with manners and breeding.

FAIL


(a civil engineer would be lower middle class in all likelihood)

[WOMBAI]

It is difficult to imagine that a child of that age could do anything bad enough to get expelled. Even if a little so-and-so - he hasn't been given much of chance at 4. I believe that, in the eyes of the law, a child of that age isn't old enough to fully understand right and wrong. Just seems very extreme.

Also said in that article that a child of 3 was excluded from somewhere for hitting another child - but children of that age do hit each other - they will learn in time - they just need more supervision! I think it has much to do with teachers being afraid of parents holding the school accountable and suing them! It is a worrying trend!

[Prole]

I could be wrong, but I've a feeling that Leather Trumpet's post will have been aimed at me. However, as it will be picking at a niggling little point in my post and missing the big picture as usual, I have you on ignore, so don't even waste your time.

[Niamh.]

It is difficult to imagine that a child of that age could do anything bad enough to get expelled. Even if a little so-and-so - he hasn't been given much of chance at 4. I believe that, in the eyes of the law, a child of that age isn't old enough to fully understand right and wrong. Just seems very extreme.

Also said in that article that a child of 3 was excluded from somewhere for hitting another child - but children of that age do hit each other - they will learn in time - they just need more supervision! I think it has much to do with teachers being afraid of parents holding the school accountable and suing them! It is a worrying trend!

Well, I can tell you I have a 5 year old son who's in his first year of school since September and he would never ever dream of hitting or kicking his teacher, he fully understands that this would be wrong, he also would not have done this last year when he was 4. He knows it's wrong because my husband and I taught him it's wrong and would not tolorate him behaving that way.

[WOMBAI]

Have you only the one child? Because as a mother of 3 - I know how different children brought up in the same family, under the same rules - can be. Again it is not always as simple as that!

[Niamh.]

Have you only the one child? Because as a mother of 3 - I know how different children brought up in the same family, under the same rules - can be. Again it is not always as simple as that!

No, I have 2 children 5 & 9 and also 2 step-children 11 & 14

and while they're all very different, none of them would get away with kicking their teacher

[WOMBAI]

Undoubtedly - he should have been punished - but expelled at 4. I think it is an irrationale over-reaction - probably based on the school's fears of action being taken against them.

[Niamh.]

Undoubtedly - he should have been punished - but expelled at 4. I think it is an irrationale over-reaction - probably based on the school's fears of action being taken against them.

well, If his parents are saying he's just "lively" I would imagine, by the sounds of it, they're not taking it seriously enough. I'm quite sure the school asked the parents to do something about before they expelled him.

Again, I'm only guessing of course but It's highly unlikely that this one thing happened and the school just expelled him.

[WOMBAI]

well, If his parents are saying he's just "lively" I would imagine, by the sounds of it, they're not taking it seriously enough. I'm quite sure the school asked the parents to do something about before they expelled him.

Again, I'm only guessing of course but It's highly unlikely that this one thing happened and the school just expelled him.

Of course, you may be right - but schools certainly can expel a child for a one-off incident of 'violence' - especially if that child has presented with difficult behaviour previously. They may have been eager to get rid of him - and they saw their chance. Who knows!

[Niamh.]

Of course, you may be right - but schools certainly can expel a child for a one-off incident of 'violence' - especially if that child has presented with difficult behaviour previously. They may have been eager to get rid of him - and they saw their chance. Who knows!

lol, yeah, I don't think that article is really giving the whole story anyway!

[Tom]

That's what my parents told to my school when I was about 5, I was 'lively' lmao

You go little boy ! Show them who's the boss :tongue:

This

LMFAO

[Beastie]

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He looks like what Wayne Rooney's kid will look like when he is older! LOL

[WOMBAI]

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He looks like what Wayne Rooney's kid will look like when he is older! LOL

He does, doesn't he!:joker:

[InOne]

Barbarism begins at home.

[ILoveTRW]

my little brother got expelled from nursery for bitting the other kids

[Captain.Remy]

This

LMFAO

But really lol I was quite a nightmare at school but I always managed to be loved, somehow ? I still have to find out why my parents didn't kill me lmao
Now I'm fine (yet I almost got arrested for swearing at a policemen while being drunk at 5am, and I was under-age) but I can tell what the kid is doing.
He just should have had a punishment, not being completely expelled.