Should non-Christians celebrate Christmas?

[_Seth]

Because it is a Cristian holiday where we worship God, so why should non-believers share?

[bronaaaa]

It's kind of expanded I guess. To be honest, even for Christans, christmas is no longer really centered around the birth of Jesus

[Stu]

Because Christmas has gone well beyond that and grown into something much bigger. It's a time to be happy, and a great excuse to get pissed. If you are so into the God part of it I'm sure you will see no need for putting up decorations, watching Xmas movies, or giving presents.

Unless of course 'Holidays are coming, always Coca Cola' is mentioned somewhere in Deuteronomy.

[Firewire]

It's kind of expanded I guess. To be honest, even for Christans, christmas is no longer really centered around the birth of Jesus

Exactly.

I'm an atheist and I still celebrate Christmas.

[InOne]

'We' meaning you are one yeah? The Christmas story nicked everything from other religions anyway. And I believe in Santa, he is my god. And he is Father Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[_Seth]

It seems Christmas is now about Presents and being greedy little piglets.

[Stu]

Meh, I don't need an imaginary friend in the sky to tell me what seasons I can and can't celebrate. Christmas rocks. End of. If you have a problem with people being happy, well, that's not very Christian.

As non believers we have just as much right to celebrate as Christians because considering we don't believe in it, it has no religious signifigance and thus we can celebrate it if we damn well please, IMO.

It's like when people ask me why I wear a cross if I am not Christian. Not being a Christian, the cross is just a design to me, so I have no problem wearing it.

[InOne]

Jesus was greedy when he got presents from the 3 wise men.

[Niamh.]

hahahahaha, Christmas to me, means getting time off work and spending it with my family. I was born a Catholic but decided after yeas of it being drilled into my head that it was a crock of **** but the holidays are great, thank you Jesus!!

[Stu]

Yeah, nice one J Man!

[Patrick]

Hardly any Chrisitians really give a **** about Jesus being born.

We get Presents and thats that :)

[InOne]

Philip you are new breed of agressive type Christian. You need to get your head out your arse mate and actually read the ****ing Bible

[Beastie]

It seems Christmas is now about Presents and being greedy little piglets.


Piglets are cute!

[bronaaaa]

I was born a Catholic but decided after yeas of it being drilled into my head that it was a crock of **** but the holidays are great, thank you Jesus!!

Baha!
But yes, I'd say the same

[Niamh.]

non-believers can do whatever-the-feck-we-like!! How exactely are you planning to stop us????????

[_Seth]

Meh, I don't need an imaginary friend in the sky to tell me what seasons I can and can't celebrate. Christmas rocks. End of. If you have a problem with people being happy, well, that's not very Christian.

As non believers we have just as much right to celebrate as Christians because considering we don't believe in it, it has no religious signifigance and thus we can celebrate it if we damn well please, IMO.

It's like when people ask me why I wear a cross if I am not Christian. Not being a Christian, the cross is just a design to me, so I have no problem wearing it.
It does have religious significance!
Philip you are new breed of agressive type Christian. You need to get your head out your arse mate and actually read the ****ing Bible
The bible means nothing, you filthy tramp. I don't believe it.
Piglets are cute!
I know. :D

[Niamh.]

What was your point in starting the thread then Phillip?

[_Seth]

It was to start a debate, not get internet attacked.

[InOne]

It does have religious significance!

The bible means nothing, you filthy tramp. I don't believe it.

I know. :D

Go sort yourself out you silly mess. You can't be Christian and not believe the Bible.

[_Seth]

All of you who have been rude for no reason are aggressive *****. :) I am a Christian, but I don't believe in the bible.

[Stu]

All of you who have been rude for no reason are aggressive *****. :) I am a Christian, but I don't believe in the bible.
Even though Jesus did? Even though Jesus was a Jew? Even though Jesus was fulfilling a biblical prophecy, which he said so himself? Even though Jesus constantly quoted the Bible, believed in the Bible, and preached the Bible's message?

Jesus christ, pardon the pun, but I seriously can't believe what I am hearing.

[Niamh.]

All of you who have been rude for no reason are aggressive *****. :) I am a Christian, but I don't believe in the bible.

I was never aggressive towards you but how can you be a christian and not believe in the Bible??? that makes no sense at all???????

[_Seth]

Even though Jesus did? Even though Jesus was a Jew? Even though Jesus was fulfilling a biblical prophecy, which he said so himself? Even though Jesus constantly quoted the Bible, believed in the Bible, and preached the Bible's message?

Jesus christ, pardon the pun, but I seriously can't believe what I am hearing.

I was never aggressive towards you but how can you be a christian and not believe in the Bible??? that makes no sense at all???????

I know exactly what my God is and some of the things in the bible contradict themselves. lol, I know it's weird but I know what I believe in and he's a fair minded person.

[InOne]

You lose Phlip. Time for bed.

[_Seth]

You lose Phlip. Time for bed.

Nah I'm gonna see if there's a good true movie on at 2. :)

[Stu]

I know exactly what my God is and some of the things in the bible contradict themselves. lol, I know it's weird but I know what I believe in and he's a fair minded person.
So you believe in Jesus but you do not believe in what Jesus believed? Or who Jesus claimed to be? Or ... well ... anything?

Oh, okay. Just checking.

There is a reason why the Bible contradicts itself. It was written by hundreds of men over hundreds of generations. The creation of mortal men. And ... well ... it's horseshit.

[_Seth]

I came up with a logical deep thoughtful reason for why I don't believe in the bible and that's what I'm sticking to. I simply don't trust it.

[Niamh.]

I know exactly what my God is and some of the things in the bible contradict themselves. lol, I know it's weird but I know what I believe in and he's a fair minded person.

then, I think you're an agnostic rather than a Christian Phillip.

[Stu]

I came up with a logical deep thoughtful reason for why I don't believe in the bible and that's what I'm sticking to. I simply don't trust it.
It dosen't really matter for ****. If you don't believe in the Bible, you don't believe in Jesus. Simple as. His BIRTH was detailed in the Bible. The birth that fulfilled a BIBLICAL PROPHECY. The same reason you claim to celebrate Christmas!

Your religion is basically one you synthesized yourself in order to have it both ways and please yourself. Good luck with the salvation bid.

[_Seth]

then, I think you're an agnostic rather than a Christian Phillip.
I spell my name with one L, and no I'm not. ;)
It dosen't really matter for ****. If you don't believe in the Bible, you don't believe in Jesus. Simple as. His BIRTH was detailed in the Bible. The birth that fulfilled a BIBLICAL PROPHECY. The same reason you claim to celebrate Christmas!

Your religion is basically one you synthesized yourself in order to have it both ways and please yourself. Good luck with the salvation bid.

I just forgot the reason I had for not believing in the bible but it's a valid one. I know exactly what's right and wrong, and what's right is God to me.

[InOne]

You're more of a Deist.

[_Seth]

What the **** is that?

[InOne]

What the **** is that?

Look it up. You're blind to explanation it seems.

[Stu]

I'm not questioning why you don't believe in the Bible, that one is easy, it's because it's full of ****, but you'r missing my point.

You claim you'r a Christian. Your not.

You claim we should not celebrate Christmas as agnostics and atheists yet you can. Why? Beats me.

You can't believe in Jesus in the religious sense and not believe in the Bible. The two are just completely incompatible. It's retarded beyond all human measure of comprehension.

[Niamh.]

I spell my name with one L, and no I'm not. ;)


I just forgot the reason I had for not believing in the bible but it's a valid one. I know exactly what's right and wrong, and what's right is God to me.

Excuse me Philip, but you just can't say you're a Christian who doesn't believe in the Bible, that contradicts everything that a Christian is?????????

[_Seth]

I can't be bothered to ****ing resay my reasons. I'm sorry, ok.

[InOne]

A deist believes in God but not religion, sums you up better.

[_Seth]

If that's what a deist is then I'm a Deist.

[InOne]

Glad we settled the matter. :)

[_Seth]

At least there's a word for it. Sorry about calling you a filthy tramp but you where rude to me.

[Stu]

If that's what a deist is then I'm a Deist.
Then you can't really celebrate Christmas for religious reasons either, can you? Christmas in religious terms is about the birth of JESUS.

[Niamh.]

If that's what a deist is then I'm a Deist.

well, now we're getting somewhere, you started the debate so you have to expect some feedback Philip!! I for one, wasn't trying to be nasty towards you, just having a discussion is all

[_Seth]

Then you can't really celebrate Christmas for religious reasons either, can you? Christmas in religious terms is about the birth of JESUS.
Jesus is related to god, I believe in God so therefore Christmas relates to me.
well, now we're getting somewhere, you started the debate so you have to expect some feedback Philip!! I for one, wasn't trying to be nasty towards you, just having a discussion is all

Coulda fooled me. ;)

[Stu]

Jesus is related to god, I believe in God so therefore Christmas relates to me.


Coulda fooled me. ;)
Only in the Biblical sense. But you don't believe in the Bible, thus you don't believe in Jesus. Jesus was a character in the bible.

****ing hell this is brutal.

[Niamh.]

Jesus is related to god, I believe in God so therefore Christmas relates to me.


Coulda fooled me. ;)

lol, how exactely was I being nasty towards you, seriously???? I'm about the most un-nasty person on here????? All I did was say I don't believe in organised religion which apparently you don't either????

[_Seth]

Oh meh I give up. I'm gonna find a true movie now. :) I really regret this thread.

[InOne]

lol, how exactely was I being nasty towards you, seriously???? I'm about the most un-nasty person on here????? All I did was say I don't believe in organised religion which apparently you don't either????

You're lovely Niamh :hug:

[Niamh.]

You're lovely Niamh :hug:

aawwwww, thanks Joe!!! I feel wrongly accused now:bawling:

[Stu]

aawwwww, thanks Joe!!! I feel wrongly accused now:bawling:
A bit like Jesus of Nazzareth.

LAWLZ

[30stone]

http://rlv.zcache.com/santa_claus_tshirt-p23526500085578822535jn_400.jpg

[Niamh.]

A bit like Jesus of Nazzareth.

LAWLZ

hehehehehehe

[Niamh.]

http://rlv.zcache.com/santa_claus_tshirt-p23526500085578822535jn_400.jpg

me tooo

[InOne]

Nothing to do with Religion should be in Serious Debates really, nothing positive anyway, as Religion is very much a funny topic. We have had a good old chuckle in this thread tonight.

[_Seth]

Niam, you did say "non-believers can do whatever-the-feck-we-like!! How exactely are you planning to stop us???????? " and that's rude.

there's nothing decent on true movies.

[Niamh.]

Niam, you did say "non-believers can do whatever-the-feck-we-like!! How exactely are you planning to stop us???????? " and that's rude.

there's nothing decent on true movies.

how is that nasty? If we want to have Christmas holidays, so what??? and why would anybody want to stop us celebrating time with our familes?

[_Seth]

Well you and I have different views on what's rude, but that really was - the way you worded it.

[Niamh.]

Well you and I have different views on what's rude, but that really was - the way you worded it.

ok, Well, I really don't consider myself to be a rude person but I don't know how you expect to start a thread telling people they shouldn't be allowed celebrate Chriatmas and not expect to be argued with???

[_Seth]

It's not like I'm saying non-christians shouldn't celebrate it, UI'm asking what everyone thinks on the subject seeing as it's a christian based holiday.

[30stone]

LOL at this santa.

Really want an i believe somthing..
http://rlv.zcache.com/i_believe_santa_keychain-p146864074654214382qjfk_400.jpg

[Niamh.]

It's not like I'm saying non-christians shouldn't celebrate it, UI'm asking what everyone thinks on the subject seeing as it's a christian based holiday.

fair enough! I celebrate Christmas cos I get 2 weeks off work and I get to spend it with my family who I love and cherish, that's what Christmas means to me.

[_Seth]

fair enough! I celebrate Christmas cos I get 2 weeks off work and I get to spend it with my family who I love and cherish, that's what Christmas means to me.

then thats fair enough

[Stu]

I find it hillarious that Philip finds what Niamh posted rude when Philip has no reason to celebrate the religious aspect of Christmas either. Niamh is dead right. What are religious people going to do to stop us from enjoying Christmas?

[InOne]

I find it hillarious that Philip finds what Niamh posted rude when Philip has no reason to celebrate the religious aspect of Christmas either. Niamh is dead right. What are religious people going to do to stop us from enjoying Christmas?

Pray? :joker:

[Stu]

Pray? :joker:
:joker::joker::joker:

[Tom4784]

Christmas is a national holiday regardless of religion so non christians are entitled to make the most of it too.

[sooty]

It is a good question.

Being buddhist If you are saying "should celebrate?", I feel very uncomfortable.

I have to think,,,,.

Actually I do exchange Xmas cards, presents and having Xmas dinner.
My case I have no alternative as my husband is Christian.

But my Buddhist friends who live alone, they do the same in Xmas season and enjoy together with mixed religious people as holiday.

It is nothing wrong with beliving bibles. I wish my husband is more religious. I go to church if it is my Christinan friends' wedding or funeral.

If we respect other religious, the world will be more peaceful.

This is a Christian country and I (and all my friends) highly against some local council banning Xmas for non Chiristian.

[WOMBAI]

'We' meaning you are one yeah? The Christmas story nicked everything from other religions anyway. And I believe in Santa, he is my god. And he is Father Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Santa is your God - I like that! :thumbs:

[arista]

Because it is a Cristian holiday where we worship God, so why should non-believers share?



It may have been that many years ago
but now it is a Commercial Forced time on Everyone.

[arista]

It is a good question.

Being buddhist If you are saying "should celebrate?", I feel very uncomfortable.

I have to think,,,,.

Actually I do exchange Xmas cards, presents and having Xmas dinner.
My case I have no alternative as my husband is Christian.

But my Buddhist friends who live alone, they do the same in Xmas season and enjoy together with mixed religious people as holiday.

It is nothing wrong with beliving bibles. I wish my husband is more religious. I go to church if it is my Christinan friends' wedding or funeral.

If we respect other religious, the world will be more peaceful.

This is a Christian country and I (and all my friends) highly against some local council banning Xmas for non Chiristian.


But as a Buddhist you are not threat to Anyone
all the others are Pushing there God onto people.


Of Course there is No God , anyway.

[andyman]

non-believers can do whatever-the-feck-we-like!! How exactely are you planning to stop us????????Poke you with sticks and burn you..

[andyman]

Nah don't thank Jeebus, thank the Romans and Constanine The Great.

[Stu]

Hail!

And Pontius P, my man. Big up the Calvary Hill Crew.

[andyman]

Oh and the pagans for letting the Romans steal their winter get together thingy ma'jiggy..

But Coca-Cola is the one, the one that gave us Father Christmas, an overweight old guy that likes to empty his sack for children.. And he breaks into houses, who the fk is he?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's kind of expanded I guess. To be honest, even for Christans, christmas is no longer really centered around the birth of Jesus

:conf:

[arista]

http://www.theminx.com/nealblog/natgeosanta52.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.theminx.com/nealblog/natgeosanta52.jpg

who drinks coke at Christmas?

[InOne]

http://www.theminx.com/nealblog/natgeosanta52.jpg

Santa is getting the Rohypnol ready!!!

[arista]

who drinks coke at Christmas?



Children the Mega Ever Growing Coca Cola Market,
Xmas is all about Profit.




Sign Of The Times.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Children the Mega Ever Growing Coca Cola Market,
Xmas is all about Profit.




Sign Of The Times.

who buys children coca cola?

[arista]

who buys children coca cola?


It's on Offer at Every Supermarket
so kids not Drink Booze
they Drink Coca Cola.


Ching
Ching

The Till takes the money
more stock arrives.


Money Money Money

The Real Xmas.


Life In The City.

[Marc]

Not if they don't want to, its personal choice. However it must be hard trying to get away from all the fuss with adverts and songs being played all the time. I love xmas :D

[Stu]

I used to drink 2-3 pints of coke a day. Was a hyped up lunatic with bad teeth and bad bowel movements for a few years. Nasty ****.

[Enid]

Coke was a rare treat in my family's house. We'd always have it at Christmas though, so naturally I enjoy it most at that time of year.

Holidays are coming, always coca-colaaaaaaa! :)

[InOne]

I'm drinking coke right now.

[Scarlett.]

"Should Christians celebrate Yule?" should be the question

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Should Christians celebrate Yule?" should be the question

are you referring to the tired "Christmas is a pagan festival" standard forum cliché?

or something else