Christians 1 Muslims 0?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/vogelenzang-case-hits-the-headlines/

victory for common sense

[Shaun]

more of a stalemate tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

more of a stalemate tbh.

common sense is the winner

[Scarlett.]

Common sense is not insulting other peoples religeons

[WOMBAI]

common sense is the winner

The woman that made the complaint was probably just a trouble-maker!

[Crimson Dynamo]

The woman that made the complaint was probably just a trouble-maker!

correct

[WOMBAI]

Common sense is not insulting other peoples religeons

Bull! This country has free speech! Not to mention the couple were in their own home - it was not meant for public broadcast!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Common sense is not insulting other peoples religeons

do you mean pigeons?

[Stu]

Christians have been winning a lot in the news lately.

Oh, wait...

[Scarlett.]

There is a difference between free speech and being downright racist, if I was a muslim I would be VERY offended by someone asking if I was a terrorist

[Enid]

There is a difference between free speech and being downright racist, if I was a muslim I would be VERY offended by someone asking if I was a terrorist
They weren't accused of being racist. It was about her religious beliefs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Christians have been winning a lot in the news lately.

Oh, wait...

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/religious-themes-more-popular-this-christmas/

[setanta]

They weren't accused of being racist. It was about her religious beliefs.

Yes indeedy.

[Scarlett.]

They weren't accused of being racist. It was about her religious beliefs.
Well then its pure ignorance I guess, but thats no excuse tbh

[WOMBAI]

There is a difference between free speech and being downright racist, if I was a muslim I would be VERY offended by someone asking if I was a terrorist

You can't legislate against what people think and what they say in their own homes!

What they should legislate against with extremely serious consequences - is people preaching hate against and encouraging the killing of Brits on their own streets!

[Stu]

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/religious-themes-more-popular-this-christmas/
yay! go jesus!

[Scarlett.]

You can't legislate against what people think and what they say in their own homes!
I'm not saying that, people can say and think what they want behind closed doors

[WOMBAI]

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/vogelenzang-case-hits-the-headlines/

victory for common sense

It sounds like the couple were having a debate with her - questioning her beliefs - much like we do on here - and people do every day in a free country - but she decided to make an issue out of it - probably with a hidden agenda of her own!

[Crimson Dynamo]

It sounds like the couple were having a debate with her - questioning her beliefs - much like we do on here - and people do every day in a free country - but she decided to make an issue out of it - probably with a hidden agenda of her own!

that's what the judge thought too

[Vicky.]

As soon as I heard about that case I hoped it would get a judge with common sense. Thank feck it did.

Perfect outcome.

[Sticks]

LeatherTrumpet, what are you hoping to achieve with starting these various debates?

Also I would have put the reporting of this case in the News section, as this is the discussing of the outcome of a court case and not debating a proposal.

This comes across as gloating which is not pretty or attractive.

If you are trying to actively witness your faith here, there are other ways of doing it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LeatherTrumpet, what are you hoping to achieve with starting these various debates?

Also I would have put the reporting of this case in the News section, as this is the discussing of the outcome of a court case and not debating a proposal.

This comes across as gloating which is not pretty or attractive.

If you are trying to actively witness your faith here, there are other ways of doing it.

Rather than constantly mark my posts by your own standards try just posting your own opinions. If you dont like the thread then do not post. This is a debate about freedom of speech, perhaps you could also pay a little homage to that?

[InOne]

I hope Christians and Muslims both lose, they both piss me off.

[BB_Eye]

More like rationality 1 bullying PC idiots 0

None of this singling out muslims please, there's enough of that these days. Those hotel owners are not criminals, but it doesn't mean that everything they say is right either.

[WOMBAI]

More like rationality 1 bullying PC idiots 0

None of this singling out muslims please, there's enough of that these days. Those hotel owners are not criminals, but it doesn't mean that everything they say is right either.

There was never any evidence to substantiate the woman's claims.

Many Muslim's single themselves out!

[Tom4784]

Ignorance VS OTT Political correctness.

Like in Alien Vs Predator, whoever wins we lose.

[Sticks]

This is a debate about freedom of speech, perhaps you could also pay a little homage to that?

But Freedom of speech does not entitle you to shout "Fire" in a crowded theatre when there is no fire

[Tom]

Religion should be defined in the dictionary as "silly groups of people arguing whos imaginary friend is the best".

[WOMBAI]

Religion should be defined in the dictionary as "silly groups of people arguing whos imaginary friend is the best".

What's even sillier - is that they actually kill each other over it!

[Crimson Dynamo]

But Freedom of speech does not entitle you to shout "Fire" in a crowded theatre when there is no fire

lucky i did not then:conf:

[bananarama]

Common sense is not insulting other peoples religeons


Common sense is to challenge all religions as all religions challenge the very concept of common sense......

[BB_Eye]

There was never any evidence to substantiate the woman's claims.

Many Muslim's single themselves out!

That wasn't my point had you actually read my message properly. I'm glad they got acquitted, but as usual, because of one of these extreme cases, somebody always has to go and taint every muslim with the same brush or imply that every muslim is simply looking for trouble.

[WOMBAI]

That wasn't my point had you actually read my message properly. I'm glad they got acquitted, but as usual, because of one of these extreme cases, somebody always has to go and taint every muslim with the same brush or imply that every muslim is simply looking for trouble.

Nobody said every Muslim did they! But there seem to be an ever-increasing number doing so!

[atieah2009]

What ever happened in that case justice was not served and right did not win. Both should be handcuffed to each other for a week see there wrongs.

[WOMBAI]

What ever happened in that case justice was not served and right did not win. Both should be handcuffed to each other for a week see there wrongs.

How do you know what actually happened - were you there? You can't convict people when there is a lack of evidence!

[atieah2009]

How do you know what actually happened - were you there? You can't convict people when there is a lack of evidence!

Not to be a stereotype but it seems quite ovbious. Other wise i don't understand how this case means Christian 1 - 0 Muslims. Most Christians don't know there religions and most Muslims are only Muslim on the month of ramadan. Religion is official dieing.

Sign Of The Religious Times.

[NettoSuperstar!]

This thread is ridiculous

[WOMBAI]

You don't agree with it - therefore it must be ridiculous!

[Crimson Dynamo]

This thread is ridiculous

things often look silly atop a high horse

[arista]

This thread is ridiculous


In What Way
honey.

[atieah2009]

In What Way
honey.

Look at yourself, seriously.

By the way the Christians were at home, so is there any home and away rules Leather?

Will there be a aggregate score? I shall complain to Fifa!

[WOMBAI]

I don't think so.:dance:

I do!

[sooty]

Religion should be defined in the dictionary as "silly groups of people arguing whos imaginary friend is the best".


One day you might need the imaginary friend.

Yes, I feel people are very concerned about extreme Islam. I do too.

[lily.]

Common sense is to challenge all religions as all religions challenge the very concept of common sense......

Post of the week.

[setanta]

Post of the week.

You're a heartless cynic and I'm not a huge fan of anything that bananarama says, but yes, I'll begrudgingly admit that it wasn't the worst effort from her/him?

[lily.]

I'm actually a total atheist. I don't believe in god or any religion.

I am a woman of science, not a woman of faith.

[InOne]

Atheism is the way forward.

[setanta]

I'm actually a total athiest. I don't believe in god or any religion.

I am a woman of science, not a woman of faith.

Ok, we'll leave it at that shall we? hee hee. I don't want to say another word cuz we'll be off on one!

[lily.]

Atheism - a non-prophet organisation.. ;)




BTW, I spelt it wrong in my first post.. I hate that..

[setanta]

Atheism - a non-prophet organisation.. ;)




BTW, I spelt it wrong in my first post.. I hate that..


Yes, it's empty... vacuous, unlike the great mystery of the human spirit. Right, I'm done!

[InOne]

James, you're Atheist aren't you?

[lily.]

Lmao.. You're very easy to lure...

Are you very religious then James, or not so much?

[setanta]

Lmao.. You're very easy to lure...

Are you very religious then James, or not so much?

Spiritual baby, spiritual.

[InOne]

James the Zen master.

[lily.]

-imagines him in robes surrounded by candles-

[setanta]

James the Zen master.

I like it Joseph. You know meditation and all that stuff might help you in some ways if you're willing to give it a shot.

[lily.]

We should all join a cult. The cult of TiBB..

[setanta]

We should all join a cult. The cult of TiBB..

Will there be sacrifices involved?

[InOne]

I like it Joseph. You know meditation and all that stuff might help you in some ways if you're willing to give it a shot.

Possible man possible, don't have much concentration though

[lily.]

Might be.. I could think of some..

Or we could just dance naked round a fire..

[setanta]

Might be.. I could think of some..

Or we could just dance naked round a fire..

Both ideas are great and would make up a cracking initiation night, right?

[setanta]

Possible man possible, don't have much concentration though

There's group sessions though and you could do something like Tai Chi that's all about movement.

[InOne]

Yeah, look into in the new year, to try something new lol

[setanta]

Seriously, Tai Chi is brilliant when you get into it. Can really help calm the body and mind and get you more tuned into your spiritual energy.

[InOne]

Yeah, guess I will have to find out if i'm a spiritual person or not!!

[setanta]

Yeah, guess I will have to find out if i'm a spiritual person or not!!

You'll be surprised what you experience if you're willing to give it a few goes. You'll be going Atheism me hole in a few months time. ha ha.

[InOne]

You'll be surprised what you experience if you're willing to give it a few goes. You'll be going Atheism me hole in a few months time. ha ha.

Have you ever tried a OBE? I think that takes real real dedication and concentration though

[setanta]

Have you ever tried a OBE? I think that takes real real dedication and concentration though

Well I've done holotropic breathwork and I was tripping like mad. It was just a beautiful sensation.

[InOne]

Well I've done holotropic breathwork and I was tripping like mad. It was just a beautiful sensation.

Hmmm, sounds good lol

[setanta]

Hmmm, sounds good lol

It was amazing and really emotional. I felt like I was on cloud 9 afterwards.

[InOne]

What do you make of Religious experiences? I know there is plenty of theories about them

[setanta]

What do you make of Religious experiences? I know there is plenty of theories about them

I don't know what to really think of them to tell you the truth. My experience with the breathwork was all about colour, light and energy. A power with no name or image, you know?

[InOne]

I don't know what to really think of them to tell you the truth. My experience with the breathwork was all about colour, light and energy. A power with no name or image, you know?

Yeah that is true, guess if you really believe in something, in those moments you might see it, hence why a Muslim never sees Mary ect

[setanta]

Yeah that is true, guess if you really believe in something, in those moments you might see it, hence why a Muslim never sees Mary ect

Yep, that's why I'd be a big sceptical of them all. Prefer the ones who say the felt a light or power and a stillness of being. That makes more sense to me.

[InOne]

Yep, that's why I'd be a big sceptical of them all. Prefer the ones who say the felt a light or power and a stillness of being. That makes more sense to me.

Yeah indeed, bet they are nice though. Although some people have seen hell and stuff and totally changed their life.

[setanta]

Yeah indeed, bet they are nice though. Although some people have seen hell and stuff and totally changed their life.

Scare you shitless, wouldn't it?! I suppose any near death experience would do the trick anyway but to see something like that!

[InOne]

Scare you shitless, wouldn't it?! I suppose any near death experience would do the trick anyway but to see something like that!

I wonder if experiences like that have any links with Schizophrenia

[setanta]

I wonder if experiences like that have any links with Schizophrenia

I have no idea Joe, but sure when you're in a situation like that the mind is liable to do funny things to you.

[InOne]

I have no idea Joe, but sure when you're in a situation like that the mind is liable to do funny things to you.

Indeed, the mind is a funny thing as it is.

[WOMBAI]

Post of the week.

Agreed! :thumbs:

[Stu]

Well I've done holotropic breathwork and I was tripping like mad. It was just a beautiful sensation.
Lucky bastard! I would love to do that. And try out one of them sensory deprivation tank things. I tried Astral Projection/Sleep Paralysis but never got past being able to lift myself out of my body. I just sort of layed in a dream state buzzing all over.

I believe atheism is very empty too. The mind is an endlessly complex, emotional creature, and I don't believe it's purely the work of chemicals combining. Not that I disregard science, but I just see it as humans way of interpreting things. People assume because you can explain something scientifically that it must suddenly be lost of all spiritual meaning. That's bollocks. If you had told people thousands of years ago that we are all composed of billions of atoms, they would have regarded it as amazing. Now we just shrug our shoulders and go ''they're just atoms, they do such and such''.

Was an atom an atom before science stuck the finger out and said ''hey yo, this is an atom''.

Rant, I know, but I have a hard time explaining to people my views on this because they think you have to fall into either religion or science, like two sides in a war!

[InOne]

I just love the fact Science flourishes in ignorance, it does not claim to know the truth. But what you should know, theories are based on facts. So you really can't ever try to dispute evolution. No matter how much you think Dawkins and Hitchins are 'Agressive Atheists'

[arista]

http://files.meetup.com/12919/God%20Delusion%20Flyer.jpg

[InOne]

A good book.