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Arneldo
15-12-2009, 08:02 AM
Ehhh, darn. Still - I'm hoping Lloyd comes screaming out of the closet.


BEAMING X Factor champ Joe McElderry gave a thumbs-up yesterday before opening his heart to The Sun about his love life.
The Geordie, 18, showed his joy outside a London TV studio - then put an end to speculation over his sexuality.

He told The Sun he had not yet had sex, saying: "I'm straight. I haven't slept with anyone, but I'm concentrating on my music."

Joe, who won the final with six million votes, also said he did not fancy show mentor Cheryl Cole. He added: "She's a friend."

And jubilant Joe told how he met glamour girl Jordan after his win - but insisted there was "no spark" between them.

The busty model, real name Katie Price, spoke with golden-voiced Joe moments after his triumph on the ITV talent show.

But he said he had no plans to follow in the footsteps of ex-Pop Idol star Gareth Gates and be deflowered by the 31-year-old maneater.

He said: "I met Jordan backstage and she introduced herself to me. I'm flattered that people are saying she might be interested - but there is no spark.

"It would be a bit wrong, don't you think? She's quite a few years older than me."

Mum-of-three Jordan, divorced from Peter Andre, chatted with Joe after watching Sunday night's gripping final with her cage fighter fella Alex Reid.

Delighted Joe was crowned the winner after bagging six million votes to see off fellow finalist Olly Murs. And last night he opened his heart to The Sun as he embarked on his "lifelong dream" of topping the charts.

Speaking just 12 hours after clinching victory in front of an astonishing 19.1million viewers, Joe admitted: "I'm still in shock. Being on a show with that many viewers is pretty fantastic.

"Just a few months ago I was a lad from South Shields who only my friends and family knew. Now I get recognised everywhere I go. It's amazing - but it still hasn't sunk in."

Shy Joe insisted he has no plans to take advantage of his new-found fame by bedding as many women as he can.

In fact he confessed he is yet to have sex - despite several girlfriends.

He added: "People say I'm squeaky clean but I don't see things like that. I'm a normal person living the dream. What you see is what you get.

"I'm straight. I've had girlfriends, but I don't have one right now. I haven't slept with anyone, but I'm a young lad and I'm concentrating on my music.

"I know I'll probably get offers but - for me - it's all about the singing for now.

"Being recognised means you have to be really careful. I say, 'Enjoy it, but don't go over the top'. At the minute, the last thing on my mind is a girlfriend.

"I need to concentrate on things and maybe think about that when the album's out and I've got a bit of chill time."

Joe dismissed rumours he had shared a fling with finalist Rachel Adedeji, saying: "She's a mate - she makes me laugh. There was nothing going on."

And he insisted he wasn't going to blow his new-found wealth on booze and drugs. The teenager won a £1million recording deal and will make a further £150,000 from the X Factor tour.

But he said: "I've never ever done drugs. I have drunk, but I'm not a drinker.

"If I go out I don't necessarily drink - but every couple of weeks I'll have a few to chill out.

"If people try and tempt me into getting drunk I'll get a Diet Coke and pretend it's got vodka in it. I'm quite a well-behaved person anyway. I respect my mam."

During his triumphant X Factor stint, Joe formed a firm friendship with Girls Aloud star Cheryl Cole, his mentor on the show.

But he insisted he did not fancy the married 26-year-old, who hails from Newcastle, ten miles from his home.

He said: "Cheryl is a stunning-looking woman but, as I got closer to her, she became a friend.

"Once I got to know her she wasn't like the image you see on telly. She's very down-to-earth and we share a lot in common."

Joe also told of his excitement at the news he may record a DUET with Cheryl for his album next year. He said: "That would be amazing. She's an inspiration."

Only child Joe was left with mum Eileen, 47, after dad Jim walked out when he was a baby.

But Joe continued to see his father every week - and said: "I had a really easy-going childhood.

"I wasn't bullied and saw my dad all the time. He and my mam even came to the show each week.

"I had a really normal life and then something came along and changed that. My mam has always supported me and told me to go for X Factor this year."

Joe has been compared with fictional ballet dancer Billy Elliot, also from the North East.

He said: "I'm not quite as good a dancer as Billy Elliot but, like him, I'm from a normal place.

"I love where I come from and I will always go back there.

"But I think it was the kind of thing where I had to come away to do this as the X Factor doesn't happen in South Shields.

"My family will always be around and the North East will always be home." Debut single The Climb is available to download now and in shops tomorrow.

Crimson Dynamo
15-12-2009, 08:21 AM
there was always a 96% chance that he was heterosexual

MarkWaldorf
15-12-2009, 09:40 AM
It's annoying because they stuck this on the front page too. He's 18 years old, he shouldn't feel like he has to tell people what he is.

Fom
15-12-2009, 11:00 AM
Well if he says so... I am not convinced haha.

Shaun
15-12-2009, 11:29 AM
pmsl yeah OK.

lily.
15-12-2009, 12:52 PM
It's annoying because they stuck this on the front page too. He's 18 years old, he shouldn't feel like he has to tell people what he is.

The tabloids are always desperate to get dirt on people. They are never content until they do.

Joe seems like a regular lad from a regular place, and doesn't have a scandalous back-story to tell. The sooner the media realise that, the better.

As to whether he's gay or straight: the jury is still out on that one. It's down to him if and when he wants to come out.. (if he actually is gay).

I hope he has decent people around him to keep the vultures at bay.

Princess
15-12-2009, 12:55 PM
Well if he says so... I am not convinced haha.

Me neither :laugh:

Twilight
15-12-2009, 01:02 PM
LOL it was so obvious that Joe wasn't gay. And btw Lloyd has a Girlfriend:P

_Seth
15-12-2009, 01:05 PM
Oh wow who really cares? His favourite colour is green let's write an essay on that.

Beastie
15-12-2009, 01:28 PM
He is a normal boy who never milked a sob story during X Factor and won fair and square because he was judged primarily on his voice! To top it off he is a lovely lad too. Also I am happy he is not going in the Gareth Gates direction, lol. Well he wouldn't in the first place.. Gareth LOST Pop Idol. Anywho good luck Joe :thumbs:

Crimson Dynamo
15-12-2009, 02:47 PM
It's annoying because they stuck this on the front page too. He's 18 years old, he shouldn't feel like he has to tell people what he is.

on the front page of what?

The Sun?

lol:joker:

Tom
15-12-2009, 02:50 PM
18, doesn't fancy Cheryl Cole, hasn't slept with anyone and as camp as a row of pink tents attached to a campervan?

http://www.queeria.com/NewsImages/gayometer2.gif

Enid
15-12-2009, 02:54 PM
Me and the fella watched his The Climb performance for the first time, and you know what the first thing he said was? "He's gay..."

WOMBAI
15-12-2009, 02:55 PM
I don't think he is gay - see no reason to think that at all! Not that it matters!

Just because he isn't a macho moron - just a nice, normal young guy with a lot more sense than many on here! He will have the last laugh - because he is the good-looking one with a fantastic voice who will have a successful singing career!

King Gizzard
15-12-2009, 02:55 PM
Who's he kidding?

Stephanie
15-12-2009, 02:56 PM
he is so not straight lmao.

\PJ/
15-12-2009, 02:56 PM
18, doesn't fancy cheryl cole, hasn't slept with anyone and as camp as a row of pink tents attached to a campervan?

http://www.queeria.com/newsimages/gayometer2.gif
lol!

Callum
15-12-2009, 02:58 PM
I think he's gay, so do loads of people I know.

Raph
15-12-2009, 03:02 PM
aww Joe and Rachel <3

_Seth
15-12-2009, 03:03 PM
18, doesn't fancy Cheryl Cole, hasn't slept with anyone and as camp as a row of pink tents attached to a campervan?

http://www.queeria.com/NewsImages/gayometer2.gif

He doesn't fancy her because he sees her as a friend. It IS possible for a boy and girl to be straight and friends. So what if he hasn't slept with anyone? Maybe he has low confidence or, erm... sense.

MarkWaldorf
15-12-2009, 03:03 PM
wow, it's reasons such as posts in this thread why some people are too scared to come out and are slapped with stereotypes.

M X
15-12-2009, 03:04 PM
i'm sorry to say that is bullshit, i know joe's cousin & she told me that joe is out as bisexual to all of his family and friends. he's probably getting the will young treatment, where his management try to keep it a secret for as long as possible because they know that he has a large young female following.

and pweese lloyd! :lovedup:

Tom
15-12-2009, 03:05 PM
He doesn't fancy her because he sees her as a friend. It IS possible for a boy and girl to be straight and friends. So what if he hasn't slept with anyone? Maybe he has low confidence or, erm... sense.

Who doesn't fancy Cheryl Cole? Well which straight men anyway? Loads of supposed straight women do ...

CaraRawr
15-12-2009, 03:06 PM
Awww, bless him<3

Spike
15-12-2009, 03:08 PM
I don't think he is straight, he has only said he is to protect his image imo

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 03:09 PM
Why do people automatically assume every good looking guy, who seems nice and takes pride in his appearance is gay?

WOMBAI
15-12-2009, 03:18 PM
Mainly bitter Olly fans - jealous of Joe's success!

Jack_
15-12-2009, 03:18 PM
Good on him. :thumbs:

If he says he's straight then I'm willing to believe he's straight. I think he's bisexual myself but I'm not going to call him a liar (even if he is being told to cover up), so I'll believe him. But yeah I hope Lloyd's gay/bi :)

_Seth
15-12-2009, 03:20 PM
Who doesn't fancy Cheryl Cole? Well which straight men anyway? Loads of supposed straight women do ...

Don't be so closed minded. Everyone has different opinions. :) He obviously respects her too much.

Tom
15-12-2009, 03:25 PM
Why do people automatically assume every good looking guy, who seems nice and takes pride in his appearance is gay?

Well he doesn't exactly make an effort with his appearance, he just seems like an ordinary 18 year old. Its his mannerisms.

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 03:31 PM
Well he doesn't exactly make an effort with his appearance, he just seems like an ordinary 18 year old. Its his mannerisms.

OK so Im guessing it isnt possible to be a little camp if you are straight...same as it isnt possible to NOT be camp if you are gay eh? :rolleyes:

Tom
15-12-2009, 03:32 PM
OK so Im guessing it isnt possible to be a little camp if you are straight...same as it isnt possible to NOT be camp if you are gay eh? :rolleyes:

Nothing wrong with being camp, but THAT camp?

WOMBAI
15-12-2009, 03:32 PM
I think you are confusing 'mannerisms' with having a gentle nature. He is an unassuming and gentle character - not an exhibitionist like many on that show. That does not make him gay!

MrGaryy
15-12-2009, 03:36 PM
pmsl he so blatantly is. in regards to stereotyping and what not, people, stereotypes are there for a reason because 9/10 times they apply.

and if people saying that someone who seems to most to be gay is gay is the reason why so many gays are afraid to come out, then exactly what message does a mature gay guy who won't come out for fear of losing some tweens buying his record send out?

Marc
15-12-2009, 03:38 PM
Gutted Mark

WOMBAI
15-12-2009, 03:41 PM
pmsl he so blatantly is. in regards to stereotyping and what not, people, stereotypes are there for a reason because 9/10 times they apply.

and if people saying that someone who seems to most to be gay is gay is the reason why so many gays are afraid to come out, then exactly what message does a mature gay guy who won't come out for fear of losing some tweens buying his record send out?

Quite an allegation - especially considering you have no evidence for that whatsoever! Simply your own vivid imagination going into overdrive. Stereotypes are often based on ignorance - not fact! Joe is not sending out any messages - you just seem to be receiving imaginary ones!:joker:

Novo
15-12-2009, 03:42 PM
I remember when everyone thought Gareth gates was Gay

MrGaryy
15-12-2009, 03:45 PM
Quite an allegation - especially considering you have no evidence for that whatsoever! Simply your own vivid imagination going into overdrive. Stereotypes are often based on ignorance - not fact! Joe is not sending out any messages - you just seem to be receiving imaginary ones!:joker:

yeah or maybe you just don;t want to see what's in front of yours - and from this thread, clearly everyone else's - eyes.

Twilight
15-12-2009, 03:45 PM
Don't be so closed minded. Everyone has different opinions. :) He obviously respects her too much.

This

WOMBAI
15-12-2009, 03:48 PM
yeah or maybe you just don;t want to see what's in front of yours - and from this thread, clearly everyone else's - eyes.

What bitter Olly fans? Yeah that is everyone! :joker:

Twilight
15-12-2009, 03:48 PM
OMG goodlooking guys aren't always gay you know

Stephanie
15-12-2009, 03:49 PM
What bitter Olly fans? Yeah that is everyone! :joker:
why would olly fans be bitter?

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 03:49 PM
I remember when everyone thought Gareth gates was Gay

Yup...exactly.

People were so sure of that also :rolleyes:

Niamh.
15-12-2009, 03:51 PM
What bitter Olly fans? Yeah that is everyone! :joker:

Hey don't lump all us Ollys fans in the the same basket!! I just think he's a bit shy and gentle manly!

setanta
15-12-2009, 03:51 PM
Who cares if he's gay or not? That's right, the people who purchase these kind of albums, so that's why he's been told to shout out from the highest roof top that he's a heterosexual young man. It's just good for business.

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 03:55 PM
so that's why he's been told to shout out from the highest roof top that he's a heterosexual young man. It's just good for business.

Or maybe, just maybe, he IS straight.

I see no reason whatsoever not to believe what he says and to be quite honest, Im sick of seeing people branded 'gay' because of their personalities...you know gay people are no different to anyone else.

My two best ,mates are gay, one is as camp as you can get and the other, noone even knows he is gay, and people act shocked when he tells them. People seem to think the slightest bit of 'campness' makes someone gay, not the case and its just an ignorant view tbh.

Captain.Remy
15-12-2009, 03:57 PM
Joe straight ? Yeah right lmao

Shaun
15-12-2009, 03:57 PM
OMG goodlooking guys aren't always gay you know

Yeah but we're talking about Joe McElderry here.

Crimson Dynamo
15-12-2009, 03:57 PM
Joe hates Lady Gaga


hoho

Tom
15-12-2009, 03:58 PM
OMG goodlooking guys aren't always gay you know

Your signature, prime example why he probably is.

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 03:59 PM
Your signature, prime example why he probably is.

Indeed, god forbid anyone get excited about winning the x factor...jesus christ, that MUST mean he is gay!

setanta
15-12-2009, 03:59 PM
Or maybe, just maybe, he IS straight.

I see no reason whatsoever not to believe what he says and to be quite honest, Im sick of seeing people branded 'gay' because of their personalities...you know gay people are no different to anyone else.

My two best ,mates are gay, one is as camp as you can get and the other, noone even knows he is gay, and people act shocked when he tells them. People seem to think the slightest bit of 'campness' makes someone gay, not the case and its just an ignorant view tbh.

My whole point is that I don't really give a shite if he likes to roll around in peanut butter or engage in any other sexual activity for that matter because it's really none of our business and has no relevance to him as an artist for me. But the general public are far more fickle than that and that's why he's been told to come out with this interview. It's a PR stunt and has nothing to do with his sexuality - which we shouldn't give two f£cks about -and more to do with selling records.

Tom
15-12-2009, 04:00 PM
Indeed, god forbid anyone get excited about winning the x factor...jesus christ, that MUST mean he is gay!

Again, check his mannerisms.

Jords
15-12-2009, 04:18 PM
Didn't know he was a virgin, bet Rachel want to take that away ;)

Twilight
15-12-2009, 04:18 PM
Indeed, god forbid anyone get excited about winning the x factor...jesus christ, that MUST mean he is gay!

Haha

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:23 PM
Again, check his mannerisms.

And again, just because he seems 'camp'...does not mean hes gay.

Novo
15-12-2009, 04:26 PM
And again, just because he seems 'camp'...does not mean hes gay.

No hoewever it does mean he is 90% there...

Tom
15-12-2009, 04:27 PM
And again, just because he seems 'camp'...does not mean hes gay.

And as I said earlier, you can be camp and straight, but not to that degree.

Twilight
15-12-2009, 04:28 PM
Lol tom ya don't know this guy i know, he seems so gay yet he has a GF

WOMBAI
15-12-2009, 04:28 PM
No hoewever it does mean he is 90% there...

Thankfully - not all guys are like the macho moron in your sig! :sleep:

Tom
15-12-2009, 04:29 PM
Lol tom ya don't know this guy i know, he seems so gay yet he has a GF

Having a girlfriend doesn't mean you're straight, a lot of people use it as a cover up

WOMBAI
15-12-2009, 04:29 PM
And as I said earlier, you can be camp and straight, but not to that degree.

He isn't camp - just a gentle guy! Not the same thing!

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:30 PM
No hoewever it does mean he is 90% there...

Total bull.

I dont give a toss if joe is gay or not, it makes no difference whatsoever, but I do have a problem with people saying he is lying about being straight because he is obviously gay because of the way he acts. Which is total stereotypical bollocks.

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:31 PM
Having a girlfriend doesn't mean you're straight, a lot of people use it as a cover up

LOL it gets worse.

So any guy who is camp, is using his girlfriend to cover up being gay...I've heard it all now.

Jords
15-12-2009, 04:32 PM
Joe has said hes not gay, that should be the end of it. I dont even find him that camp, he just seems like a nice geniune lad. But even if he was, who cares?

Twilight
15-12-2009, 04:32 PM
Total bull.

I dont give a toss if joe is gay or not, it makes no difference whatsoever, but I do have a problem with people saying he is lying about being straight because he is obviously gay because of the way he acts. Which is total stereotypical bollocks.

Haven't seen you around for a bit, you been busy?
I agree with you btw

Twilight
15-12-2009, 04:33 PM
LOL it gets worse.

So any guy who is camp, is using his girlfriend to cover up being gay...I've heard it all now.

Everyone must be gay then:P

Tom
15-12-2009, 04:35 PM
LOL it gets worse.

So any guy who is camp, is using his girlfriend to cover up being gay...I've heard it all now.

Depends how camp they are

If Marco from BB5 claimed to be straight, would you believe him?

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:35 PM
Haven't seen you around for a bit, you been busy?
I agree with you btw

My internet has been cut off because virgin reckon I owe them £170 and I know I dont, yet they are refusing to send me an itemised bill until I pay what they SAY I owe them...which I wont do.

So can only use internet at my mates...totally lost without my internet :bawling:

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:37 PM
Depends how camp they are

If Marco from BB5 claimed to be straight, would you believe him?

I would have no reason to disbelieve him...so yes.

People can be camp and not gay...I know people like that, not quite to the extreme of marco...but it does happen and who am I to say someone is lying about something I know nothing about?

Tom
15-12-2009, 04:38 PM
and you think I sound ridiculous :joker:

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:39 PM
and you think I sound ridiculous :joker:

Because I wouldnt question what someone says? Just because of stereotyping?

Yes that makes me sound ridiculous...

Twilight
15-12-2009, 04:39 PM
My internet has been cut off because virgin reckon I owe them £170 and I know I dont, yet they are refusing to send me an itemised bill until I pay what they SAY I owe them...which I wont do.

So can only use internet at my mates...totally lost without my internet :bawling:

Aww bad luck:(

Jords
15-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Tom I disagree with you.
Marco is actually gay, there is quite the correlation between being camp when a man is gay, so its not right to ask that.

Anyway, what makes you think Joe is gay? Did he do something inparticular?

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Tom, lets try the opposite of what your saying.

Lets say...some big macho, not camp at all guy, tells you he is gay.

Would you believe him?

Tom
15-12-2009, 04:48 PM
Because I wouldnt question what someone says? Just because of stereotyping?

Yes that makes me sound ridiculous...

I'm sorry but step outside your flowery little bubble where everything is equal and look at this from a realistic point of view.

Tom I disagree with you.
Marco is actually gay, there is quite the correlation between being camp when a man is gay, so its not right to ask that.

Anyway, what makes you think Joe is gay? Did he do something inparticular?

I was using Marco as an example. We all know he's gay because he admitted it, but if he was still in the closet and was claiming he was straight, would you believe him? After all you can be extremely camp and straight ...

Tom, lets try the opposite of what your saying.

Lets say...some big macho, not camp at all guy, tells you he is gay.

Would you believe him?

I'd be a bit uncertain tbh, I'd never believe he was fully blown gay if he was how you describe. Bi at most. What you fail to see is that there is psychology attached to sexuality and mannerisms e.g. there have been studies on the way straight and gay people walk.

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:51 PM
I'm sorry but step outside your flowery little bubble where everything is equal and look at this from a realistic point of view.


Or maybe you should stop being a dick and accept that not everyone is as closed minded as you? Instead of me stepping out of my 'flowery little bubble'. Ive never heard anything so patronising in my entire life.

I know camp people who are straight. As I know gay people who are not the slightest bit camp. It happens.





I'd be a bit uncertain tbh, I'd never believe he was fully blown gay if he was how you describe.

Again, who are you to question what that person says?

Jords
15-12-2009, 04:55 PM
I was using Marco as an example. We all know he's gay because he admitted it, but if he was still in the closet and was claiming he was straight, would you believe him? After all you can be extremely camp and straight ...

Not really, but Joe is nowhere near as camp like Marco, I dont even think Joe is that camp at all. I know a few people that are quite camp but not gay, it is possible (theyve had gfs, and I dont buy this having a gf to cover it up).

Tom
15-12-2009, 04:56 PM
Maybe you should stop being a dick and accept that not everyone is as closed minded as you? Instead of me stepping out of my 'flowery little bubble'. Ive never heard anything so patronising in my entire life.

I know camp people who are straight. As I know gay people who are not the slightest bit camp. It happens.

Yeah, you're still kind of missing my point. Good at selective reading aren't you?

Again, who are you to question what that person says?

You mean like you question the way people act branding them with a fake personality etc?

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:56 PM
Not really, but Joe is nowhere near as camp like Marco, I dont even think Joe is that camp at all. I know a few people that are quite camp but not gay, it is possible (theyve had gfs, and I dont buy this having a gf to cover it up).

Nah, those people you know are lying and using their girlfriends to cover up the fact that they are gay... :rolleyes:

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 04:58 PM
You mean like you question the way people act branding them with a fake personality etc?

Thats totally different to steroptyping all camp people as gay...or saying you would question a 'manly man' who said he was gay.

Tom
15-12-2009, 04:58 PM
Thats totally different to steroptyping all camp people as gay...or saying you would question a 'manly man' who said he was gay.

But its still questionning the way someone is. The same principle applies to it.

and for the millionth time I'm not stereotyping all camp people as gay.

Jords
15-12-2009, 04:58 PM
Nah, those people you know are lying and using their girlfriends to cover up the fact that they are gay... :rolleyes:

No way! :elephant:

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 05:01 PM
But its still questionning the way someone is. The same principle applies to it.


Its not at all.

I thought stacey was 'exagerrating' her personality...or being fake whichever you prefer. Because I had seen her doing interviews and even sometimes,rarely on the xtra factor being a lot less 'ditzy' than she was on the main show...

You think Joe is gay because of the ridiculous stereotyping that goes on about gay people.

Novo
15-12-2009, 05:02 PM
Like someone said earlier On stereotyping is there for a reason...

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 05:02 PM
Like someone said earlier On stereotyping is there for a reason...

And that reason is?

Tom
15-12-2009, 05:04 PM
Its not at all.

I thought stacey was 'exagerrating' her personality...or being fake whichever you prefer. Because I had seen her doing interviews and even sometimes,rarely on the xtra factor being a lot less 'ditzy' than she was on the main show...

You think Joe is gay because of the ridiculous stereotyping that goes on about gay people.

It is, because you're questionning the way someone is and not believing they are genuinely like that. You did the same with Sophie in BB, because everyone acts the same all day every day don't they?

InOne
15-12-2009, 05:04 PM
Well some Gays play up to the camp Stereotype some don't. But it's possible to be 'delicate' and not Gay.

Tom
15-12-2009, 05:05 PM
And that reason is?

In this context, 99.9% of the time overly camp people will be gay. There are obviously exceptions to it, but they are probably few and far between. I really doubt Joe is one of the exceptions.

Stephanie
15-12-2009, 05:06 PM
people who said they know people who know joe have said he is openly bi.

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 05:06 PM
It is, because you're questionning the way someone is and not believing they are genuinely like that. You did the same with Sophie in BB, because everyone acts the same all day every day don't they?

That is not saying they are lying plainly because of stereotyping. If you cant see the difference...then thats up to you.

I dont remember saying that about sophie, but Il believe you anyway, but its still a different thing me saying I think someone is being 'fake' to you saying joe cant be straight because he acts camp.

Jords
15-12-2009, 05:07 PM
In this context, 99.9% of the time overly camp people will be gay. There are obviously exceptions to it, but they are probably few and far between. I really doubt Joe is one of the exceptions.

Joe is not overly camp???

Tom
15-12-2009, 05:08 PM
That is not saying they are lying plainly because of stereotyping. If you cant see the difference...then thats up to you.

I dont remember saying that about sophie, but Il believe you anyway, but its still a different thing me saying I think someone is being 'fake' to you saying joe cant be straight because he acts camp.

You're basically branding people as a liar because you don't believe they're acting that way, in the same way people who refute someones sexuality are calling them a liar.

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 05:08 PM
In this context, 99.9% of the time overly camp people will be gay. There are obviously exceptions to it, but they are probably few and far between. I really doubt Joe is one of the exceptions.

So being gay changes your personality then I take it...I thought it was just a sexual preference...obviously not...

InOne
15-12-2009, 05:08 PM
Well if we are going by BB, it was fairly obvious that David was Gay. Charlie though was harder to tell at first.

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 05:09 PM
You're basically branding people as a liar because you don't believe they're acting that way, in the same way people who refute someones sexuality are calling them a liar.
Nah nice try at twisting it though.

Stereotyping is different to personal opinion...however you spin it.

Novo
15-12-2009, 05:09 PM
Well if we are going by BB, it was fairly obvious that David was Gay. Charlie though was harder to tell at first.

No from the first 3 seconds of his VT it was Very very Obvious

Jords
15-12-2009, 05:10 PM
Sod all this if your overly camp your gay business, when was Joe actually overly camp Tom?

biglover
15-12-2009, 05:10 PM
He is 100% gay, nothing wrong with it he should just admit it, is image wont be affected at all is he comes out, people will still love him. Its not an issue anymore

InOne
15-12-2009, 05:11 PM
No from the first 3 seconds of his VT it was Very very Obvious

Well say if you missed that, the way he acted in the house and stuff was not overly camp, not for the most part.

Jords
15-12-2009, 05:11 PM
He is 100% gay, nothing wrong with it he should just admit it, is image wont be affected at all is he comes out, people will still love him. Its not an issue anymore

bigloverlover :nono: But yes it wouldnt affect anything if he was.

Stephanie
15-12-2009, 05:12 PM
people would still like him if he said he was gay as most people think he is anyway.

InOne
15-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Well nobody can really say 100% at this point.

Jords
15-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Right Olly was camp at times, hes gay too guys.

Vicky.
15-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Sod all this if your overly camp your gay business, when was Joe actually overly camp Tom?

Twilights signature is apparently a prime example...because of how he acted when he found out he won...

Jack_
15-12-2009, 05:14 PM
He is 100% gay, nothing wrong with it he should just admit it, is image wont be affected at all is he comes out, people will still love him. Its not an issue anymore

Considering that a lot of people in today's society are homophobic, I think it is an issue.

As for Charlie, if he hadn't had said what he did in his audition VT, I wouldn't have known he was gay. I was relieved at the time because all the hot women had gone in and there were no good looking guys to pair them up. Then Charlie turned up, looked promising, and then he said he was gay. :joker:

\PJ/
15-12-2009, 05:14 PM
Olly was camp? now we really are being silly.

Raph
15-12-2009, 05:14 PM
aww i don't mind if Joe's gay at all! =)
but hey, if he's straight, then the Rachel rumors might be true, hehe, i still absolutely adore their friendship though! My second favorite TV friendship after Kat and Rachel (bb9) <3

Stephanie
15-12-2009, 05:15 PM
pmsl, olly and camp in the same sentance?

Tom
15-12-2009, 05:15 PM
So being gay changes your personality then I take it...I thought it was just a sexual preference...obviously not...

Yes. If you're gay you have a different brain structure to straight people. A gay male brain is similar to a female straight brain, and a gay female brain is similar to a straight male brain. That means it has an effect on emotion, movements, thought processes, the way you speak etc and not just who you choose to sleep with.

Raph
15-12-2009, 05:15 PM
Considering that a lot of people in today's society are homophobic, I think it is an issue.

As for Charlie, if he hadn't had said what he did in his audition VT, I wouldn't have known he was gay. I was relieved at the time because all the hot women had gone in and there were no good looking guys to pair them up. Then Charlie turned up, looked promising, and then he said he was gay. :joker:

Lloyd looks fit in your display picture Jack =)
Fingers crossed he's straight,
hehe <3

Jords
15-12-2009, 05:16 PM
Olly was camp? now we really are being silly.

Only a few times, and there is a picture of him pmsl which really looks camp.
I know he isnt gay really PJ, but if you can call Joe gay for being camp, theres plenty more people you could point the fingers at.

Stacey.
15-12-2009, 05:17 PM
Lmfao, who cares if Joes gay or not? :joker:
i dont know why this makes such a difference to some people.
i dont think he is gay now, before,, i wasnt so sure. :/
but he is a good singeerr, also he seems like a nice person :)

Stephanie
15-12-2009, 05:18 PM
stacey is a lesbian.

Fom
15-12-2009, 05:18 PM
You know what I was originally just saying he was gay and was sure about it. But after reading everyone getting so worked up about it... I dont even care anymore. All I care about is that he is happy... and its clear relationships aren't important right now.

If he is... he will come out when he wants too, Will Young was forced to be straight for a while by Pop Idol. Straight people sell more records because of young girls fancying them.

Jords
15-12-2009, 05:18 PM
stacey is a lesbian.

See this could make me happier than if she was straight :hugesmile:

JkJk :laugh:

InOne
15-12-2009, 05:19 PM
You know what I was originally just saying he was gay and was sure about it. But after reading everyone getting so worked up about it... I dont even care anymore. All I care about is that he is happy... and its clear relationships aren't important right now.

If he is... he will come out when he wants too, Will Young was forced to be straight for a while by Pop Idol. Straight people sell more records because of young girls fancying them.

Pretty much shows the shallowness of these kind of shows aye.

Fom
15-12-2009, 05:21 PM
Pretty much shows the shallowness of these kind of shows aye.

It really does, but oh well thats the world we live in. Let him get secure in the business and then he will come out... just like Will Young did. That is... if he actually is gay, he might just be a feminate guy. Look at Michael Mcintyre...

Jack_
15-12-2009, 05:31 PM
Lloyd looks fit in your display picture Jack =)
Fingers crossed he's bisexual,
hehe <3

Fixed :)

BB_Eye
15-12-2009, 05:53 PM
This is so obviously a lie.

WOMBAI
15-12-2009, 05:59 PM
Like someone said earlier On stereotyping is there for a reason...

Yes - ignorance!

MrGaryy
15-12-2009, 09:03 PM
we aren;t talking about goodlooking guys, we're discussing Joe.

LemonJam
15-12-2009, 09:06 PM
To be fair I know a really camp guy who's straight. And I'm talking proper row of tents camp here. He picked up most his 'camp' habits from his Dad and that's why he's that way, but he's a woman boner.

MrGaryy
15-12-2009, 09:09 PM
It really does, but oh well thats the world we live in. Let him get secure in the business and then he will come out... just like Will Young did. That is... if he actually is gay, he might just be a feminate guy. Look at Michael Mcintyre...

Michael McIntyre is hardly as much of a Queen as Joe is. He is a comedian after all, most of it is an act.

Fom
15-12-2009, 09:14 PM
Michael McIntyre is hardly as much of a Queen as Joe is. He is a comedian after all, most of it is an act.

I wouldnt class Joe as a queen, if Joe was a queen I would not be a fan.

KKBL
15-12-2009, 09:31 PM
What about JLS?They're as camp if not camper than Joe.Didn't you see the outfits they wore on TXF on Sunday?

WOMBAI
15-12-2009, 09:33 PM
How narrow minded of you to assume Joe is a queen because he is a relatively quiet, gentle guy! Such assumptions do not reflect well on you!

Ross
15-12-2009, 09:34 PM
It's no business to anyone else who he sleeps with. People need to worry about their own lives before talking about others.

KKBL
15-12-2009, 09:43 PM
Do people really believe he actually said that anyway?I really doubt it.

Crimson Dynamo
16-12-2009, 01:36 PM
It's no business to anyone else who he sleeps with. People need to worry about their own lives before talking about others.


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Margi
16-12-2009, 03:19 PM
Well if he says so... I am not convinced haha.


What makes you an expert on Joe's sexuality ?

Fom
17-12-2009, 12:13 AM
What makes you an expert on Joe's sexuality ?

Nothing does, I said I will accept what he is saying but it doesn't mean I have to believe it.

MiuMiu
17-12-2009, 01:58 AM
Joe is so gay. In my opinion.
I think it's sad that his management think that him saying that he isn't is protecting him from losing fans.
What does that say to other gay people?
That you should hide yourself to the world because of shame?
Not nice at all.

Miumiu has spoken....
Good evening.
:wavey:

InOne
17-12-2009, 02:19 AM
You know I love you Miu :tongue:

Captain.Remy
19-12-2009, 05:46 PM
Joe McElderry:
"I'm straight - and I don't fancy Cheryl!"

So you're gay then?

:laugh:

Stacey.
19-12-2009, 05:48 PM
Joe McElderry:
"I'm straight - and I don't fancy Cheryl!"

So you're gay then?

:laugh:

babe,he just means he doesnt fancy cheryl. what could be more simplerr than that?:joker::joker::joker:
are you a boy?
yes
but do you fancy me?
no

:D exactly!

Captain.Remy
19-12-2009, 05:49 PM
babe,he just means he doesnt fancy cheryl. what could be more simplerr than that?:joker::joker::joker:
are you a boy?
yes
but do you fancy me?
no

:D exactly!

But you're far from being Cheryl Cole and having her killing body.