joe trailing behind in sales

[Stephanie]

X Factor’s Joe trailing behind in Christmas single sales

Joe McElderry faces a battle for the number one spot in the charts this Christmas, with a rival single currently selling more copies.
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Joe McElderry is facing some stiff competition for the number one spot this Christmas, with a rival single selling ten copies to one of his at some retailers.

The 18-year-old singer’s version of the winner’s single, The Climb, has been available to download from midnight on Sunday – but it is trailing behind Rage Against the Machine’s song Killing in the Name.

The single, which was released in 1992, has become hugely popular again after a Facebook group was set up urging people to buy the single to stop the X Factor song hitting the top spot again.

There is believed to be around a 10 per cent margin in sales between the two singles after Sunday and Monday. But HMV has reported selling 10 to one yesterday in favour of Killing in the Name - although sales tended to have been skewed towards specialist music fans.

However, it’s not all doom and gloom for Joe – once the CD version of Joe’s single is released in the shops it is expected to take the lead position.

The Official Charts Company said this is "the fiercest battle for years" for a single to hit the coveted Christmas number one spot.

Managing director of the company, Martin Talbot added: "This is shaping up to be a very exciting battle between two different records which have captured the nation's imagination.

"But, although Rage Against The Machine have started off in front, according to our initial sales estimates, there is no doubt that this tussle is far from over."

Meanwhile, it was revealed yesterday that a price war has erupted after Amazon and Tesco sold downloads of The Climb for just 29p. Play.com is charging 67p, while 7digital.com, which is being plugged by X Factor bosses, are selling the single for 99p.

Claims had been made that downloads priced at less than 40p would not qualify in the charts, but a spokeswoman for the Official Charts Company said this was untrue and that retailers are free to carry out any promotions. Ass long as the downloads meet all chart rules they will still be counted in the charts.

Joe will be launching the CD release of his single in his home town of South Shields, at HMV on King Street, and will be signing singles for up to 500 fans from 4pm onwards.

[Fom]

This will change after weds... when the CD's hit shops.

[Twilight]

Ooer hope Joe gets number 1

[Jords]

Joe will definatley get it, its already close and his CD isnt out yet!

[\PJ/]

It would be good if something else gets to number 1.

[Stacey.]

come on , lets all buy Joes singlee :)
QUICKKK!!!
we need him to get to #1 :D:D

[CaraRawr]

come on , lets all buy Joes singlee :)
QUICKKK!!!
we need him to get to #1 :D:D

this. <333

[Jords]

It would be good if something else gets to number 1.

This, I wouldnt mind Joe getting number 1, but if people are really that fed up with XF stealing xmas no.1s, then it would be good to see some people power.

[Twilight]

come on , lets all buy Joes singlee :)
QUICKKK!!!
we need him to get to #1 :D:D

My sister pre ordered it today, 5 copys of it<3

[Enid]

I will cry tears of joy if RATM get No.1

**** YOU, X FACTOR!

[Jack_]

Anyone know how many times the physical release has been pre-ordered?

I'm buying my copy tomorrow.

[Stacey.]

My sister preordered it today, 5 copys of it<3

Go For It!! :D :dance:

[Tom]

Thats only on physical sales though? RATM isn't even in the iTunes top 100 and the chart is made up virtually of the download chart

[Stephanie]

Thats only on physical sales though? RATM isn't even in the iTunes top 100 and the chart is made up virtually of the download chart
they were number 1 when i last checked lol.

[Jords]

And they are number 2 right na na na

[Tom]

Not for me on iTunes? Top 10:



1. The Climb
Joe McElderry
The Climb
2. Bad Romance
Lady GaGa
3. You Know Me
Robbie Williams
4. Don't Stop Believin'
Journey
5. 3 Words (feat. will.i.am)
Cheryl Cole
6. Russian Roulette
Rihanna
7. Meet Me Halfway
Black Eyed Peas
8. TiK ToK
Ke$ha
9. Let the Bass Kick In Miami Girl (Radio Edit)
Chuckie & LMFAO
10. Doesn't Mean Anything
Alicia Keys

[Jordan.]

As funny as it would be, id feel sorry for Joe.

[Stephanie]

there's gonna be a bit about ratm on itv news soon.

[Jords]

1. Joe McElderry - The Climb
2. RATM - Killing in the Name
3. Lady Gaga - Bad Romance
4. 3OH!3 feat. Katy Petty - Starstruckk
5. Robbie Williams - You Know Me
6. Journey - Don't Stop Believing
7. Cheryl Cole - 3 Words
8. Rihanna - Russian Roullette
9. B.E.P - Meet Me Halfway
10. Ke$ha - Tik Tok

:D

[Tom]

I hate the RATM song but I hope it gets number 1

[Stephanie]

something about ratm is gonna be on

sky news
bbc news
and itv news soon

[Jords]

something about ratm is gonna be on

sky news
bbc news
and itv news soon

Woah, that might help them get number 1 y'know!

[Stephanie]

on itv now

[Jords]

Put it on :thumbs:

[Stephanie]

its on bbc news london apparently now aswell

[Stephanie]

and it's gonna be mentioned on zane lowe's show.

[Jords]

Its all over the place, and with it only being 29p, I bet it might be pretty close between it and Joe.

[Stephanie]

it's on sky news soon, they just mentioned it as coming up.

[Jords]

I dont like the song but I would laugh if that was this years xmas no.1 :laugh:

Would Simon bother with the XF, if people rather boycott the winner getting xmas no.1?

[Stephanie]

:joker:

[Jack_]

Wasn't this started on Facebook?

A lot of media coverage for something like this, if I started it off and it got this big I'd be ecstatic.

[Stephanie]

apparently more4 news are covering it aswell, it's ****ing everywhere.

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

Although I prefer RATM to Joe, I'm not bothered about buying RATM just to spite some young lads first single. Wont buy Joes either btw

[Jords]

Wasn't this started on Facebook?

A lot of media coverage for something like this, if I started it off and it got this big I'd be ecstatic.

Yepp! Pmsl, me too Jack!

[Stephanie]

it's on radio 1 i think aswell LOL

[WOMBAI]

X Factor’s Joe trailing behind in Christmas single sales

Joe McElderry faces a battle for the number one spot in the charts this Christmas, with a rival single currently selling more copies.
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Joe McElderry is facing some stiff competition for the number one spot this Christmas, with a rival single selling ten copies to one of his at some retailers.

The 18-year-old singer’s version of the winner’s single, The Climb, has been available to download from midnight on Sunday – but it is trailing behind Rage Against the Machine’s song Killing in the Name.

The single, which was released in 1992, has become hugely popular again after a Facebook group was set up urging people to buy the single to stop the X Factor song hitting the top spot again.

There is believed to be around a 10 per cent margin in sales between the two singles after Sunday and Monday. But HMV has reported selling 10 to one yesterday in favour of Killing in the Name - although sales tended to have been skewed towards specialist music fans.

However, it’s not all doom and gloom for Joe – once the CD version of Joe’s single is released in the shops it is expected to take the lead position.

The Official Charts Company said this is "the fiercest battle for years" for a single to hit the coveted Christmas number one spot.

Managing director of the company, Martin Talbot added: "This is shaping up to be a very exciting battle between two different records which have captured the nation's imagination.

"But, although Rage Against The Machine have started off in front, according to our initial sales estimates, there is no doubt that this tussle is far from over."

Meanwhile, it was revealed yesterday that a price war has erupted after Amazon and Tesco sold downloads of The Climb for just 29p. Play.com is charging 67p, while 7digital.com, which is being plugged by X Factor bosses, are selling the single for 99p.

Claims had been made that downloads priced at less than 40p would not qualify in the charts, but a spokeswoman for the Official Charts Company said this was untrue and that retailers are free to carry out any promotions. Ass long as the downloads meet all chart rules they will still be counted in the charts.

Joe will be launching the CD release of his single in his home town of South Shields, at HMV on King Street, and will be signing singles for up to 500 fans from 4pm onwards.

ffs - he only won the show a couple of days ago!! You are seizing any and every opportunity to slate Joe - cause you are bitter he beat your precious Olly - and by a mile!:joker:

[Jack_]

ffs - he only won the show a couple of days ago!! You are seizing any and every opportunity to slate Joe - cause you are bitter he beat your precious Olly - and by a mile!:joker:

Considering this is a huge campaign to stop the XF getting Christmas #1, I think that statement is ridiculous.

Just because she posts an article about this campaign, coincidentally being about Joe, it does not make her bitter. Stop being so ridiculous.

[InOne]

Ahhh all the Indie kids will be going wild. 'We changed Music' or some little shitty thing like that they'll say.

[WOMBAI]

Considering this is a huge campaign to stop the XF getting Christmas #1, I think that statement is ridiculous.

Just because she posts an article about this campaign, coincidentally being about Joe, it does not make her bitter. Stop being so ridiculous.

Not me being ridiculous! :joker:

[Jack_]

Not me being ridiculous! :joker:

I think you'll find it is. I've seen you say to numerous Olly fans on this forum that they're 'bitter' because Joe won, merely for having an opinion.

Posting a topic against Joe does not make anyone bitter. That just seems to be your assumption, and a ridiculous one at that too.

[Stephanie]

it's number 1 on itunes now.

[Stephanie]

on sky news now.

[Jords]

My Itunes still puts Joe first atm!

[WOMBAI]

I think you'll find it is. I've seen you say to numerous Olly fans on this forum that they're 'bitter' because Joe won, merely for having an opinion.

Posting a topic against Joe does not make anyone bitter. That just seems to be your assumption, and a ridiculous one at that too.

Not half as bad as assuming the poor lad is gay or bisexual! Pot and Kettle!:joker:

[Chels]

Once the cd single is released he's guaranteed to sell ******* loads, it's where the majority of the sales come from.
Joe will be number one, no doubt about it.

[Stephanie]

the charts are made up of 98% downloads.

[Jords]

Once the cd single is released he's guaranteed to sell ******* loads, it's where the majority of the sales come from.
Joe will be number one, no doubt about it.

For sure Chels, dont worry he'll get it, but its gonna be much closer competition than previous years. Im surprised how well the campaign has done!

[Jack_]

Not half as bad as assuming the poor lad is gay or bisexual! Pot and Kettle!:joker:

If you actually read my reply to that thread then you'd have quite clearly seen that I said I'm not going to call him a liar now that he has said he is straight.

You seem to be running out of things to pick at now.

[WOMBAI]

If you actually read my reply to that thread then you'd have quite clearly seen that I said I'm not going to call him a liar now that he has said he is straight.

You seem to be running out of things to pick at now.

What you actually said was, and I quote "I think he's bisexual myself but I'm not going to call him a liar (even if he is being told to cover up), so I'll believe him." Clearly implying that you still think he is bisexual - even though he has said he is straight!

[Chels]

the charts are made up of 98% downloads.

Only because you can't buy singles :L
But if cd singles are released (especially for x factor) the song tends to do much, much, much better.

[Jack_]

What you actually said was, and I quote "I think he's bisexual myself but I'm not going to call him a liar (even if he is being told to cover up), so I'll believe him." Clearly implying that you still think he is bisexual - even though he has said he is straight!

I meant thought, didn't realise I had made a typo. Obviously you're not going to believe that judging by your recent posts though, so what different does it make.

I've said that I believe he's straight, what more do you want? A ****ing carnival procession with me singing his praises because he's come out as straight?

Why we're even debating this is beyond me. You seem to have bypassed several valid points made by me by trying to pick at things I've said.

[Tom4784]

It won't come to anything in the end though sadly, the RATM sales will slow down while Joe's sales will soar with the CD release.

[WOMBAI]

I meant thought, didn't realise I had made a typo. Obviously you're not going to believe that judging by your recent posts though, so what different does it make.

I've said that I believe he's straight, what more do you want? A ****ing carnival procession with me singing his praises because he's come out as straight?

Why we're even debating this is beyond me. You seem to have bypassed several valid points made by me by trying to pick at things I've said.

What valid points!:joker:

[Jack_]

My point has just been proven.

[WOMBAI]

My point has just been proven.

Yes dear! :joker:

[Jack_]

Yes dear! :joker:

You're one of the most patronising forum members I've ever seen. Get over yourself, and stop being so dismissive.

...and no, it's not 'whatever you say' either, before you offer another one of your generic, repetitive remarks.

[Stephanie]

ratm is now on
bb1 news
and news 24

[WOMBAI]

You should look at your own posts - before criticizing others! People are only generally 'patronising' when faced by ignorant, idiotic comments by those that are quick to stick labels on people based on absolutely nothing!

[Jack_]

You should look at your own posts - before criticizing others! People are only generally 'patronising' when faced by ignorant, idiotic comments by those that are quick to stick labels on people based on absolutely nothing!

Ignorant and idiotic comments? Matter of opinion, I'm afraid.

All you seem to have done in this entire argument is bypass points with petty, patronising comments - probably due to your inability to back up your side of the argument with anything better. Simple as that, really.

[Stephanie]

what are you two arguing about anyway?
i was watching eastenders ;)

[Jack_]

what are you two arguing about anyway?
i was watching eastenders ;)

ffs - he only won the show a couple of days ago!! You are seizing any and every opportunity to slate Joe - cause you are bitter he beat your precious Olly - and by a mile!:joker:

She assumed you were 'bitter' that Joe had won purely because you posted this thread. The argument has moved on from that though, mainly down to WOMBAI's inability to reply with anything constructive.

[Jords]

what are you two arguing about anyway?
i was watching eastenders ;)

Me ;)
I thinks its gawj how Janine & Archie are an item.

[Chels]

Me ;)
I thinks its gawj how Janine & Archie are an item.

I hope you're joking lmao

[Stephanie]

She assumed you were 'bitter' that Joe had won purely because you posted this thread. The argument has moved on from that though, mainly down to WOMBAI's inability to reply with anything constructive.
lol, i'm not bitter that joe won. olly has a record deal now anyway, and i posted this because it is big news, all over the media :L

[Jords]

I hope you're joking lmao

Id rather see a bit of Peggy and Heather, but this will be do dandy!

Ew, yeah Im joking :joker:

[Stephanie]

AND ALSO

http://livehits.co.uk/

joe is at number 3.

[Jack_]

Janine and Archie an item? I don't even watch anymore but that's sicker than an imagined Gary Glitter's version of 2 Girls 1 Cup. :yuk:

[Stephanie]

archie is lush pmsl ;)

[Jack_]

lol, i'm not bitter that joe won. olly has a record deal now anyway, and i posted this because it is big news, all over the media :L

:thumbs:

This was my point, but WOMBAI failed to see that.

[Chels]

Id rather see a bit of Peggy and Heather, but this will be do dandy!

Ew, yeah Im joking :joker:

Pmsl, Phil and Billy ftw :L

[Jords]

Janine and Archie an item? I don't even watch anymore but that's sicker than an imagined Gary Glitter's version of 2 Girls 1 Cup. :yuk:

Yeh Jack Eastenders has gona badass, lil Abi was shouting about in the pub like she owns it tonight :nono: lmfao

[Jack_]

It's all about Pat, Peggy and Dot's lezbo lick out on tape.

Now that would be a Christmas Day episode to remember!

[Chels]

Yeh Jack Eastenders has gona badass, lil Abi was shouting about in the pub like she owns it tonight :nono: lmfao

Omg really?
I missed it :bawling:

[WOMBAI]

Ignorant and idiotic comments? Matter of opinion, I'm afraid.

All you seem to have done in this entire argument is bypass points with petty, patronising comments - probably due to your inability to back up your side of the argument with anything better. Simple as that, really.

Matter of opinion I'm afraid!

And for the record - what gives you the right to imply someone may be bisexual! And don't hide behind your comments that you said you believed him - as you clearly expressed your doubts to his declaration that he is not! Maybe being gay or bisexual is not a big thing for you - but it might be for him - he may be mortified by such remarks - you don't know! Such remarks could potentially be very hurtful to him! He entered a singing competition - that doesn't make him fair game for all and any wild accusation people may choose to levy at him.

[Twilight]

ratm need to **** big time

[Jords]

It's all about Pat, Peggy and Dot's lezbo lick out on tape.

Now that would be a Christmas Day episode to remember!

omgz bradders and stacey were gettin off to that!!!1

yeah chels, I missed it yesturday :/

[setanta]

Keep it going with the RATM sales people. Let us be victorious against X Factor and the league of teeny boppers who buy that kind of drivel.

[Fom]

Keep it going with the RATM sales people. Let us be victorious against X Factor and the league of teeny boppers who buy that kind of drivel.

As has said been said before, I don't get why people are being so scrooge-like about it. Maybe we should just embrace and celebrate the young talent in the country?

[Chels]

Sorry setanta but i ain't into Metal ****.

[Jack_]

Matter of opinion I'm afraid!

And for the record - what gives you the right to imply someone may be bisexual! And don't hide behind your comments that you said you believed him - as you clearly expressed your doubts to his declaration that he is not! Maybe being gay or bisexual is not a big thing for you - but it might be for him - he may be mortified by such remarks - you don't know! Such remarks could potentially be very hurtful to him! He entered a singing competition - that doesn't make him fair game for all and any wild accusation people may choose to levy at him.

Human rights and freedom of speech I'm imagine?

Considering I'm going through the phase of discovering my true sexuality at the moment, I think that paragraph is laughable!

[Jords]

Whats a teeny bopper? Im a teenager but I dont know if Im a bopper? Pmsl

[Stephanie]

ratm have been on like 5 news channels
and various radio stations

[InOne]

ratm need to **** big time

Rememer, no RATM no Paramore. So shush.

[Jords]

As has said been said before, I don't get why people are being so scrooge-like about it. Maybe we should just embrace and celebrate the young talent in the country?

I dont mind whos no.1 this year, I really rather not have RATM have it, but at the same time, I like the people power over it, if people are fed up with xmas no.1s from XF, maybe they should consider moving XF back?

[Twilight]

Whats a teeny bopper? Im a teenager but I dont know if Im a bopper? Pmsl

No your ok your a boy, its just girls that get the stupid teenybopper stereotype.

[setanta]

As has said been said before, I don't get why people are being so scrooge-like about it. Maybe we should just embrace and celebrate the young talent in the country?

I hope you're joking? This is about the X Factor and it's dominance of the charts for the last few years, spewing out plastic forgettable pop that I'm very sick of. Actually makes Xmas more depressing knowing that Simon Cowell has the monopoly over it.

I'd love to see George Michael go number 1 but RATM will do for now.

[Jords]

No your ok your a boy, its just girls that get the stupid teenybopper stereotype.

Oh I get it, girls that go for looks rather than the music?

[Jack_]

If people don't like XF dominating the charts, then they simply need to come up with a solution or alternative to it! Simple as that really. No use moaning unless you're actually going to attempt to stop it, like the RATM Campaign.

[WOMBAI]

Human rights and freedom of speech I'm imagine?

Considering I'm going through the phase of discovering my true sexuality at the moment, I think that paragraph is laughable!

Human rights, freedom of speech - another thing to hide behind!

Your own situation has got nothing to do with you publicly attempting to 'expose' someone else - especially when there is absolutely no evidence to back that up - just peoples' opinion that he is 'camp'. His sexuality is nothing to do with you, me or anyone else. Your posts are laughable!

[Twilight]

Oh I get it, girls that go for looks rather than the music?

Yeh it is, i got called it to much why this X factor was on because of my faves in it:/

[setanta]

If people don't like XF dominating the charts, then they simply need to come up with a solution or alternative to it! Simple as that really. No use moaning unless you're actually going to attempt to stop it, like the RATM Campaign.

Oh, you don't get it do you? Simon has you right where he wants and you wont know it until in about 10 years and you'll laugh about how gullible you were while Simon is sipping Martini's on his own island with his own harem, laughing at how stupid and easily controlled the British population are.

[InOne]

Simon is laughing at the UK really. Killing music and cashing in.

[setanta]

Simon is laughing at the UK really. Killing music and cashing in.

Exactly my friend.

[MissKittyFantastico]

I don't actually want either of them to be #1 for Christmas.

Would much rather it be a Christmas song personally! George Michael's December Song is gorgeous. <3

[Jack_]

Human rights, freedom of speech - another thing to hide behind!

Your own situation has got nothing to do with you publicly attempting to 'expose' someone else - especially when there is absolutely no evidence to back that up - just peoples' opinion that he is 'camp'. His sexuality is nothing to do with you, me or anyone else. Your posts are laughable!

Posting on a forum which has what, 10,000 members? Is publicly exposing him?

You seem to be acting as if I've killed someone. When you take into account that there are far more homophobes who simply hate him for his 'assumed sexuality', I think you'll find that I've done no wrong by expressing my opinion on his sexuality in a fair, but not insulting way. I'd imagine Joe is more concerned about the people who hate him because of all of this, not the people who are just merely wondering what his sexuality is!

[Twilight]

"Real music" Lol that's stupid everyone has a different opinion of what Real music is.

[Jords]

The Pogues for Xmas number 1! :D

[InOne]

"Real music" Lol that's stupid everyone has a different opinion of what Real music is.

Not poppy littles shites who do covers. That is not music, that is just shite.

[setanta]

I don't actually want either of them to be #1 for Christmas.

Would much rather it be a Christmas song personally! George Michael's December Song is gorgeous. <3

Yep, me too but RATM will have to do right now.

[Twilight]

Not poppy littles shites who do covers. That is not music, that is just shite.

Just because you don't like it. it doesn't mean its ****.

[setanta]

Not poppy littles shites who do covers. That is not music, that is just shite.

That's how thick he knows the public are - he doesn't even get a writer to produce a new song. lol. It's staggering really when you think about it.

[Jack_]

Oh, you don't get it do you? Simon has you right where he wants and you wont know it until in about 10 years and you'll laugh about how gullible you were while Simon is sipping Martini's on his own island with his own harem, laughing at how stupid and easily controlled the British population are.

Thanks for pretty much insulting me. :thumbs:

Of course I get it. The control Simon has over the UK charts is unbelievable, and bad - there's no denying that. I never once said that I liked his control over the charts, just that you don't really have any right to moan unless you're going to come up with an alternative. It's as simple as that.

Yes it's an appauling site when all you see is XF acts and guests everywhere in the Top 40, but what do you or other people intend to do about it?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Yep, me too but RATM will have to do right now.

But I don't want that either!

[InOne]

Just because you don't like it. it doesn't mean its ****.

It is not a matter of opinion. It is what it is, a poppy cover of another pop song which is pretty much, shite. It all sounds the same and you idiots lap it up.

[InOne]

That's how thick he knows the public are - he doesn't even get a writer to produce a new song. lol. It's staggering really when you think about it.

Yeah, what a lazy rubbish option really.

[setanta]

Thanks for pretty much insulting me. :thumbs:

Of course I get it. The control Simon has over the UK charts is unbelievable, and bad - there's no denying that. I never once said that I liked his control over the charts, just that you don't really have any right to moan unless you're going to come up with an alternative. It's as simple as that.

Yes it's an appauling site when all you see is XF acts and guests everywhere in the Top 40, but what do you or other people intend to do about it?

I didn't really insult you so don't try to be a victim here. Just stating that you're playing right into his hands, which is obviously the case and you're just emphasizing that point.

There's always other options in life if you look hard enough for them..... George Michael has released a wonderful Xmas record but X Factor is going to win with a charmless cover version.

[Twilight]

It is not a matter of opinion. It is what it is.

Thats just being Ignorant then.

[Jack_]

I didn't really insult you so don't try to be a victim here. Just stating that you're playing right into his hands, which is obviously the case and you're just emphasizing that point.

There's always other options in life if you look hard enough for them..... George Michael has released a wonderful Xmas record but X Factor is going to win with a charmless cover version.

Fair enough.

That's also a fair point, but as I said, what do you intend to do to get this George Michael track to Christmas #1?

It's no use complaining about it unless you're willing to offer some constructive and large scale input.

[InOne]

Thats just being Ignorant then.

It's really not. He does not write his own songs or music. He is the product of a squeaky clean 'singing' competition, he sings what he is told to sing, says what he is told to say. He is a puppet, that is not an artist, and that is not music.

[Patrick]

Is the Music Video out yet? for Joe

[setanta]

Fair enough.

That's also a fair point, but as I said, what do you intend to do to get this George Michael track to Christmas #1?

It's no use complaining about it unless you're willing to offer some constructive and large scale input.

I don't have to do anything- all of you have to just snap out of this zombie-like state that Simon has placed you under.

[WOMBAI]

Posting on a forum which has what, 10,000 members? Is publicly exposing him?

You seem to be acting as if I've killed someone. When you take into account that there are far more homophobes who simply hate him for his 'assumed sexuality', I think you'll find that I've done no wrong by expressing my opinion on his sexuality in a fair, but not insulting way. I'd imagine Joe is more concerned about the people who hate him because of all of this, not the people who are just merely wondering what his sexuality is!

But questioning his sexuality is what has created those homophobes in the first place! You may not have meant it to be insulting - but to suggest that someone is gay/bisexual when they have never stated that they are - is insulting! If he isn't - then it is untrue. If he is - then he clearly doesn't want to divulge that to the rest of the world. And it is no one else's place to do so.

Personally - I don't believe for one minute that he is - and it has bugger all to do with his singing. Why do people have to get so personal?

[Stephanie]

pmsl are you trying to say that jack is homophobic?

[WOMBAI]

It's really not. He does not write his own songs or music. He is the product of a squeaky clean 'singing' competition, he sings what he is told to sing, says what he is told to say. He is a puppet, that is not an artist, and that is not music.

To be fair - he has to be those things at the moment - to win the competition and to fulfill his contract. He is only 18 - in time, if he becomes an established singer - he will be in more of a position to dictate his own terms and produce his own style of music.

[Jack_]

But questioning his sexuality is what has created those homophobes in the first place! You may not have meant it to be insulting - but to suggest that someone is gay/bisexual when they have never stated that they are - is insulting! If he isn't - then it is untrue. If he is - then he clearly doesn't want to divulge that to the rest of the world. And it is no one else's place to do so.

Personally - I don't believe for one minute that he is - and it has bugger all to do with his singing. Why do people have to get so personal?

Of course it's not. Homophobes are scared of homosexual people because it's not seen as the 'normal' thing to do, and if they are seen to be supporting them - they think they'll be looked down upon. They're narrow minded and ignorant people. It's got nothing to do with questioning peoples sexuality, that's just showing interest (whether good or bad). All part of human nature.

I'll accept your opinion that it is insulting then. I admit, I was quick to judge, but as I have said it's part of human nature, and that's also why people get so personal.

[Jack_]

pmsl are you trying to say that jack is homophobic?

If she is, then that's the biggest load of shite I've heard since Michelle McManus being set to become the next Cheryl Cole. :joker:

[Stephanie]

If she is, then that's the biggest load of shite I've heard since Michelle McManus being set to become the next Cheryl Cole. :joker:
LMAO :joker:

[WOMBAI]

If she is, then that's the biggest load of shite I've heard since Michelle McManus being set to become the next Cheryl Cole. :joker:

Of course I am not trying to say you are homophobic! I am saying that just because it is not an issue for you - it may be for him - particularly if he is not! People should not make assumptions about people's sexuality - without very good reason!

[Jack_]

Of course I am not trying to say you are homophobic! I am saying that just because it is not an issue for you - it may be for him - particularly if he is not! People should not make assumptions about people's sexuality - without very good reason!

Well as I've said, I was quick to judge and yes it's wrong. But it's human nature and something that will come naturally to the majority of people - whether you'll admit it or not.

[Fom]

It's really not. He does not write his own songs or music. He is the product of a squeaky clean 'singing' competition, he sings what he is told to sing, says what he is told to say. He is a puppet, that is not an artist, and that is not music.

Give him chance! Many people have come from singing competitions and now release their own material. This is him making his entrance into the business, don't try and assume what he is going to make in the future.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Good, i hope he crashes nd burns

[InOne]

Give him chance! Many people have come from singing competitions and now release their own material. This is him making his entrance into the business, don't try and assume what he is going to make in the future.

Well it's the fact he is ruining another X Mas number 1 that is most annoying. He himself should take a stand but of course he won't he can see the £££, and lets face it, the way he comes across, I think he will just go with whatever the record company throws at him. He has nothing that stands out about him at all.

[setanta]

Give him chance! Many people have come from singing competitions and now release their own material. This is him making his entrance into the business, don't try and assume what he is going to make in the future.

Well I might buy his music if - a fecking staggeringly huge if by the way- that happens, but in the mean time I want a song to topple X Factor off it's Christmas perch because it's getting tiresome and depressing.

[MarkWaldorf]

Joe isn't 'trailing' behind. RATM sold 83,000 in TWO days, Joe sold 77,000 in ONE day - so if he's actually selling twice as much as them.

[Lewis.]

Susan Boyle for Christmas no 1 ;D

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Let joe have his number one, he will be panto next year with leon jackson and steve b

[Glenn.]

Im glad. I hope Joe doesnt get the Number One spot.

[James]

RATM still in the lead...


Rage extend lead in singles chart

10:26 | Wednesday December 16, 2009

By Ben Cardew

The battle for the Christmas number one slot continues to heat up, with Rage Against The Machine’s Killing In The Name extending its lead over Joe McElderry’s The Climb.

According to sales figures from the Official Charts Company yesterday, the American band’s 1993 hit had opened up a lead of about 10% over The Climb, the debut single from X Factor winner McElderry, after two days of sales.

OCC figures today show that Killing In The Name has now extended that lead to around 60%, selling another 92,000 copies yesterday to bring its total for the week so far to more than 175,000.


The Climb has sold around 110,000 copies so far but is expected to receive a massive boost today when the CD single goes on general sale around the country.

While the singles market is now overwhelmingly made up of download sales, X Factor Christmas singles traditionally sell strongly on CD.


http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=1039434&c=1

Rage now bookies' favourite...

http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/christmas/christmas-number-one/win-market

[InOne]

haha nice

[Crimson Dynamo]

I want The Boyler to triumph

[Marc]

This will change after weds... when the CD's hit shops.

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