BOTB - Final - The Beatles vs. Blondie

[Shaun]

the case for each:

The Beatles:

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Come Together

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Hey Jude

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Eleanor Rigby

Blondie:

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Heart of Glass

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Atomic

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Maria

[King Gizzard]

How has Blondie even got this far

[Callum]

The Beatles

[Novo]

Blondie will be victorious

[MrGaryy]

Blondie, obviously.

[Ramsay]

The Beatles x100000
how the hell are Blondie one vote behind

[Mrluvaluva]

Blondie is one of my all time favourite bands. Debbie Harry has an amazing voice. Tracks like Shayla, Fade away and radiate, Dreaming & Union city blue, to name but a few, are classic Blondie at their best. It all sort of went wrong after AutoAmerican though.

[setanta]

how are Blondia winning here?

[MrGaryy]

Blondie are one of the most revolutionary bands of all the time, their music and fashion was miles ahead of it's time. Debbie Harrie is one of the most iconic figures of her time and a fashion revolutionary. Their music continues to live on, remaining timeless.

[setanta]

Blondie are one of the most revolutionary bands of all the time, their music and fashion was miles ahead of it's time. Debbie Harrie is one of the most iconic figures of her time and a fashion revolutionary. Their music continues to live on, remaining timeless.

Eh no. They're up against the Beatles here dear. I'll repeat, The Beatles.

[MrGaryy]

Eh no. They're up against the Beatles here dear. I'll repeat, The Beatles.

well dear, The Beatles are considered by many to be ludicrously overrated. No need to repeat myself.

[setanta]

well dear, The Beatles are considered by many to be ludicrously overrated. No need to repeat myself.

You're actually saying that Blondie have had more of a lasting impact in popular music than the Beatles, and with a straight face?

[MrGaryy]

You're actually saying that Blondie have had more of a lasting impact in popular music than the Beatles, and with a straight face?

hmm, I can't seem to recall saying that at all, funnily enough? I'm saying that while you maybe be in the vast majority who feel the need to hail them as some sort of god's, there are those, like myself, you believe they simply a product of their time and had it not been them, it would have been somebody else.

[Mrluvaluva]

Everyone has different tastes. I have loads of Blondie stuff but hardly any Beatles. They are not the be all and end all of music. Blondie have been hugely influential in their own right and their music remains timeless.

[setanta]

hmm, I can't seem to recall saying that at all, funnily enough? I'm saying that while you maybe be in the vast majority who feel the need to hail them as some sort of god's, there are those, like myself, you believe they simply a product of their time and had it not been them, it would have been somebody else.

So again, you're saying that Blondie are better and more important than them?

[LemonJam]

Beatles having a larger legacy doesn't make them better, just more popular and henceforth more influential. It's all down to taste.

Better or not is a matter of opinion.

I voted Beatles btw :p

[setanta]

Blondie is one of my all time favourite bands. Debbie Harry has an amazing voice. Tracks like Shayla, Fade away and radiate, Dreaming & Union city blue, to name but a few, are classic Blondie at their best. It all sort of went wrong after AutoAmerican though.

And you basically said it all there in a nutshell. 1 or 2 good albums doesn't make a great band.

[MrGaryy]

So again, you're saying that Blondie are better and more important than them?

no actually I think you'll find I didn't mention Blondie what so ever. I just pointed out that not everyone thinks the Beatles are what music is about hence why those people will obviously vote Blondie. and - shock horror - some people actually prefer Blondie.

[setanta]

Don't get me wrong, Blondie are a good band but they're not in the same league as somebody like the Beatles.

[MrGaryy]

Don't get me wrong, Blondie are a good band but they're not in the same league as somebody like the Beatles.


...in your opinion :)

[King Gizzard]

What the hell!?!

[Mrluvaluva]

And you basically said it all there in a nutshell. 1 or 2 good albums doesn't make a great band.

Erm, they had more than 1 or 2 albums before Autoamerican. Which of their albums do you think were the only good ones then?

[Ramsay]

Blondie??
the only song i know by them is one way or another:laugh:

[InOne]

Blondie can't win this lol

[MrGaryy]

Blondie??
the only song i know by them is one way or another:laugh:

well then it's not really fair of you to question their presence in this competition, is it? Chances are you know more but not by name. Trying YTing Call Me, Heart Of Glass, Tide Is High, Rip Her To Shreds.

[lily.]

Blondie.

[Novo]

well then it's not really fair of you to question their presence in this competition, is it? Chances are you know more but not by name. Trying YTing Call Me, Heart Of Glass, Tide Is High, Rip Her To Shreds.

Maria and Atomic :wavey:

[setanta]

Erm, they had more than 1 or 2 albums before Autoamerican. Which of their albums do you think were the only good ones then?

Parrallel Lines and Eat to the Beat. Plastic Letters is good too but they're really not in the same league as the Beatles. And there were other bands similar to them during that period anyway.

[Shaun]

it's only a TiBB poll, folks. we all know the beatles would win in the real world :p

[InOne]

Blondie.

-beats Linda- :tongue:

[lily.]

Blondie can't win this lol


Oh they can.

The question is: Which one do you prefer? not Which one was more influential or had a bigger impact on music?

So, since it's a question of taste, they can win.

[InOne]

Oh they can.

The question is: Which one do you prefer? not Which one was more influential or had a bigger impact on music?

So, since it's a question of taste, they can win.

So it seems my dear!

[lily.]

I'm astonished at some of the bands which went through and some of the ones which went out along the way, but I try to look at each vote on it's own.

I did say when GD went out, I wouldn't vote anymore, but Shaun torments me if I don't. He's evil like that.

[Enid]

Lili is right.

I listen to Blondie more than The Beatles.

[InOne]

I'm astonished at some of the bands which went through and some of the ones which went out along the way, but I try to look at each vote on it's own.

I did say when GD went out, I wouldn't vote anymore, but Shaun torments me if I don't. He's evil like that.

GD went out far too early :(

[Mrluvaluva]

Parrallel Lines and Eat to the Beat. Plastic Letters is good too but they're really not in the same league as the Beatles. And there were other bands similar to them during that period anyway.

Plastic Letters is my favourite Blondie album. Yes there were others like them, but Blondie stood out from the rest and have withstood the test of time. So are you saying there were no other bands similar to The Beatles at the time they were around?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Love them both but I grew up listening to The Beatles so my vote goes to them.

[setanta]

Plastic Letters is my favourite Blondie album. Yes there were others like them, but Blondie stood out from the rest and have withstood the test of time. So are you saying there were no other bands similar to The Beatles at the time they were around?

Not really no. The Beatles were head and shoulders above everybody else at that particular time, through the variety and wild experimentation found within their music. The were really unlike anyone else at that time and they marked a change in what was possible in popular music, with so many bands owing a debt of gratitude towards them. They gave newer bands the ticket to really open up and try anything.

Blondie were just a part of the new wave and punk bands that were coming out at that particular time and, although they're excellent musicians and had a wonderful lead singer, I don't think you can place them anywhere near The Beatles. And in any case, where the feck are the New York Dolls, Talking Heads, The Ramones, Human League etc etc? Oh, and Roxy Music. They were all of the same ilk as Blondie and many are, in my opion anyway, better.

[Shaun]

A little look at the bands they've destroyed along the way...

Blondie: Sex Pistols, Iron Maiden, UB40, Led Zeppelin, Bee Gees, ABBA, Muse, The Cure

Beatles: T. Rex, blink-182, Motorhead, Diana Ross and the Supremes, Nirvana, Oasis, Queen, The Who

[Stu]

The Beatles, by taste only of course :hugesmile:.

[Mrluvaluva]

Oh they can.

The question is: Which one do you prefer? not Which one was more influential or had a bigger impact on music?

So, since it's a question of taste, they can win.

True, but then the debate on the topic was expanded.

[lily.]

I personally do not rate The Beatles. I don't really like their music. I much prefer some of the other bands who were around at that time, and had it been my era, I'm pretty sure I'd have been listening to some of the "flower power" bands who were around.

[Mrluvaluva]

Not really no. The Beatles were head and shoulders above everybody else at that particular time, through the variety and wild experimentation found within their music. The were really unlike anyone else at that time and they marked a change in what was possible in popular music, with so many bands owing a debt of gratitude towards them. They gave newer bands the ticket to really open up and try anything.

Blondie were just a part of the new wave and punk bands that were coming out at that particular time and, although they're excellent musicians and had a wonderful lead singer, I don't think you can place them anywhere near The Beatles. And in any case, where the feck are the New York Dolls, Talking Heads, The Ramones, Human League etc etc? Oh, and Roxy Music. They were all of the same ilk as Blondie and many are, in my opion anyway, better.

Blondie were punk/new wave. The Human League were a totally different kettle of fish. They were an electronic band who did not use guitars. Early tracks of theirs such as The dignity of labour (parts 1-4)/Being boiled/Introducing were a completely different scene and they were at the forefront of that movement. They are pioneers in their own field as were Blondie.

[Billy]

Blondie are epic.
I'm not a fan of The Beatles, so Blondie.

[setanta]

Blondie were punk/new wave. The Human League were a totally different kettle of fish. They were an electronic band who did not use guitars. Early tracks of theirs such as The dignity of labour (parts 1-4)/Being boiled/Introducing were a completely different scene and they were at the forefront of that movement. They are pioneers in their own field as were Blondie.

That's all you're going to say about what I've posted? Human League were still part of the New Wave. What about the other bands I've mentioned? I could give you a fair few more that were similar. And Blondie used synth in their tracks too.

[Sarah.]

The Beatles by miles&miles.

[InOne]

The Beatles by miles&miles.

:dance:

[lily.]

Mrluvaluva's music knowlege > most of the members here.

[MrGaryy]

Twilight's music knowledge > setanta's attitude

[setanta]

:Mrluvaluva's music knowlege > most of the members here.

There wouldn't be an ever so slight element of bias in that statement now, would there? :tongue:

[Princess]

The Beatles,cos I love loads of their songs and I think I have like one Blondie song *shame*

[InOne]

Ohhhhhh, all level!!!

[lily.]

:

There wouldn't be an ever so slight element of bias in that statement now, would there? :tongue:

He is my best mate, so yeah, there is a lot of bias.. but to be honest, he knows more about music than anyone else I know.. he is really into his music.. so it was also a true statement.

[setanta]

He is my best mate, so yeah, there is a lot of bias.. but to be honest, he knows more about music than anyone else I know.. he is really into his music.. so it was also a true statement.

Yes, that's why he didn't really respond to my statement concerning The Beatles or the spate of bands very similar to Blondie who were out at the same time as them. Hey, Blondie are a great band but I was just reacting to people saying that they are hugely original and influential, which I can't really see when you put them up against someone like The Beatles. Oh, and of course the Beatles albums speak for themselves anyway.

[lily.]

I personally didn't vote them for being original or influential. I voted them because I like their music more than I like The Beatles music.

[MrGaryy]

The Beatles,cos I love loads of their songs and I think I have like one Blondie song *shame*

remind me not to speak to you again.

[Mrluvaluva]

That's all you're going to say about what I've posted? Human League were still part of the New Wave. What about the other bands I've mentioned? I could give you a fair few more that were similar. And Blondie used synth in their tracks too.

Sorry I was not aware there was a stipulus on what I had to comment upon? I am quite aware that Blondie used synthesizers but it was a totally different kind of music when compared to the early Human League. Blondie emerged out of that New York CBGB's scene that was influenced by British punk rock. The Human League were part of the Northern post punk electronic industrial movement with the likes of Fad Gadget, Cabaret Voltaire, Depeche Mode etc. Blondie were not unique, but were one of the best groups of their time on that scene. While I uphold the fact that The Beatles were a brilliant and heavily influential band, and still are today, they are not at the top of everyones list.

[setanta]

Sorry I was not aware there was a stipulus on what I had to comment upon? I am quite aware that Blondie used synthesizers but it was a totally different kind of music when compared to the early Human League. Blondie emerged out of that New York CBGB's scene that was influenced by British punk rock. The Human League were part of the Northern post punk electronic industrial movement with the likes of Fad Gadget, Cabaret Voltaire, Depeche Mode etc. Blondie were not unique, but were one of the best groups of their time on that scene. While I uphold the fact that The Beatles were a brilliant and heavily influential band, and still are today, they are not at the top of everyones list.

Well, that's what I responding to. Blondie are class, but they don't deserve to be in the final of this thing. I'd take Talking Heads over them any day of the week. :tongue:

[LemonJam]

Smashing Pumpkins should be here. :bawling:

[lily.]

Oh get over it James.. Smashing Pumpkins are not THAT good..

[setanta]

Actually, talking about Blondie reminds me of a band that I loathe called Muse, who take it on themselves to nick others tunes and then slightly tinker with them. This one is a classic, where they threw in a few Doctor Who sound effects to fool us all.


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[Mrluvaluva]

Well, that's what I responding to. Blondie are class, but they don't deserve to be in the final of this thing. I'd take Talking Heads over them any day of the week. :tongue:

A friend of mine would agree with you but as I said on page 1, it is all a matter of taste.

[LemonJam]

Oh get over it James.. Smashing Pumpkins are not THAT good..

http://i47.tinypic.com/2ynorj9.gif

But seriously, they're a diverse band and basically every single song is different, original and perfectly written in it's own way, I don't get the hate for them. :'(

[Billy]

Eeeeeek at not being allowed an opinion nowadays.

[InOne]

Settle down Billy.

[LemonJam]

Eeeeeek at not being allowed an opinion nowadays.

Seconded.

[setanta]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2ynorj9.gif

But seriously, they're a diverse band and basically every single song is different, original and perfectly written in it's own way, I don't get the hate for them. :'(

Pumpkins were class.

[Shaun]

Eeeeeek at not being allowed an opinion nowadays.

I thought it was a matter of time before that old card was used.

Opinions are useless unless you have the bottle to back them up with reasoning.

[lily.]

Not really Shaun.. nobody has to back up their opinions..

Jam I don't hate the pumpkins.. I'm just messing with you.. ;)

[Billy]

I thought it was a matter of time before that old card was used.

Opinions are useless unless you have the bottle to back them up with reasoning.

LOL WHAT?
In a poll asking who you like better, why should you have to back it up with endless facts etc which is what people are having to do?

[lily.]

I agree with you Billy.

[MrGaryy]

Actually, talking about Blondie reminds me of a band that I loathe called Muse, who take it on themselves to nick others tunes and then slightly tinker with them. This one is a classic, where they threw in a few Doctor Who sound effects to fool us all.


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sweetie, it's called a mashup.

[Shaun]

LOL WHAT?
In a poll asking who you like better, why should you have to back it up with endless facts etc which is what people are having to do?

What's the ****ing point in having an opinion if you can't explain it?

[LemonJam]

Not really Shaun.. nobody has to back up their opinions..

Jam I don't hate the pumpkins.. I'm just messing with you.. ;)

Don't mess with me like that :bawling: LOL

I love them... too much.

[setanta]

sweetie, it's called a mashup.

Lol, yes, thank you Mrgaryy for that wonderful observation but that's not the issue here. The important thing to realise is that they are exactly alike. I could post both tracks and they're totally alike except for the Doctor Who sound effects.

[lily.]

aww... -holds James-


(oh wait, that's how forum rumours start)

[Billy]

What's the ****ing point in having an opinion if you can't explain it?

Are you for real? Is there a point in having an opinion? It's just something that's subconsciously (sp) formed, so why should you have to explain it on something which is just asking you what you prefer?

[InOne]

It's called debate Billy, it's good once in a while. Or all the time in my case.

[Billy]

It's called debate Billy, it's good once in a while. Or all the time in my case.

No I know that, and I'm all for it I just think it's funny/strange how it's happening.

[Shaun]

Are you for real? Is there a point in having an opinion? It's just something that's subconsciously (sp) formed, so why should you have to explain it on something which is just asking you what you prefer?

Because to most, preferences are based on a preconceived set of thoughts on both parties [blondie and the beatles in this case] - I'm not asking you to go into a huge detailed debate on it, but when you casually come in here and moan about 'not being entitled to have an opinion' because some, who actually have the patience and tenacity to REASON their arguments, disagree with you, it makes you look like a child throwing the dummy out of the pram.

[Billy]

Because to most, preferences are based on a preconceived set of thoughts on both parties [blondie and the beatles in this case] - I'm not asking you to go into a huge detailed debate on it, but when you casually come in here and moan about 'not being entitled to have an opinion' because some, who actually have the patience and tenacity to REASON their arguments, disagree with you, it makes you look like a child throwing the dummy out of the pram.

hahaha okay. I wasn't moaning about me not being able to have an opinion, just at the fact people had to explain themselves the way they did, was quite interesting. (I wasn't actually the only person to "casually moan" either).

Looks like the bitchiness has cranked up a notch this year.

[Shaun]

Mm, it was a direct response to the increase in hypocrisy I think.

[Billy]

lol okaay

[Mrluvaluva]

Aww. I missed Linda. :(

[Alf]

what a terrible final
this tournaments been a major letdown

[CaraRawr]

Blondie, I grew up on her music. Good times driving to Ireland with Atomic on<3

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I say blondie as I perfer their music.

[lily.]

Looks like the bitchiness has cranked up a notch this year.

Mm, it was a direct response to the increase in hypocrisy I think.

^both of those posts made me laugh out loud!


Aww. I missed Linda. :(

It's nice to be missed.. it doesn't happen very often.. ;)

[Dr.Gonzo]

I just made it a tie. How can that be, you bastards?

[lily.]

LoL.. suck it up Beatles.. it's a fight til the death lol

[NettoSuperstar!]

The Beatles, come one! I can count Blondies good songs (and they were good dont get meh wrong) on one hand

[InOne]

Back in the lead, nice!

[Novo]

.

[Niamh.]

When is the poll shut?

[Beastie]

The Beatles by far but still like Blondie.

[King Gizzard]

justice at last

im not even a massive beatles fan and I like a couple blondie songs, but beatles have to go down as the greatest band of all time

[Beastie]

Woo hoo GO BEATLES :D I also think they are underated as well.

[King Gizzard]

beatles? underrated? lmao


the two words cannot possibly go hand in hand

they get the recognition they deserve

[Beastie]

beatles? underrated? lmao


the two words cannot possibly go hand in hand

they get the recognition they deserve


They deserve MORE MORE MORE!

Paul McCartney was a breath of fresh air going onto the X Factor, he stands for what good music is really like :D

[Shaun]

This closes at midnight :]

[Beastie]

This closes at midnight :]

Shite. I hope justice is made and The Beatles win!

[Marc]

Beatles!

[Christina]

Blondie!!

[Ramsay]

Beatles have won!!:dance::dance::dance::dance:

[Shaun]

The poll is closed. And the Beatles have won.

Thank you to everyone who's voted for any of the rounds and for making this somewhat fun to run :p

[setanta]

Thank f£ck for that.

[Novo]

^

Yeah am sure you life depended on that Poll judging from this thread

[setanta]

^

Yeah am sure you life depended on that Poll judging from this thread

Well not as much as yours seems to be dependent on making little sarcy comments in an attempt to illicit a response from others. Noticed that about you Andy.

[Sarah.]

Glad the better band won :)

[Novo]

Well not as much as yours seems to be dependent on making little sarcy comments in an attempt to illicit a response from others. Noticed that about you Andy.

Looks like i got one :)

[setanta]

Looks like i got one :)

Not really - I was merely making an observation which, funnily enough you've just validated.

[Novo]

Not really - I was merely making an observation which, funnily enough you've just validated.

Yeah you got me!....