Brotherhood Compromise Poll

[lily.]

Who would be in favour of ONE social thread. It could be stickied.. for general chat... basically merging BH/Zeta/Den/Lounge etc. into one thread..

[Billy]

good idea lindaa

[Stephanie]

i think it would be a good thing to try out.

[Tom4784]

I think it's a good idea but some people wouldn't be happy. I voted yes, perhaps for a trial run to see how it works out?

[lily.]

It would eradicate the rivalry.



Dezzy: if it was a trial, all existing social threads would be locked and a new TiBB Social Thread would be created.

[Harry!]

Yes I am wanting this.

[Stu]

Trials wont solve anything. The BH I'm sure have no problem acting a certain way for 48 hours to prove a point.

The thing is, if you get rid of the BH they will kick up a massive fuss. It's a really awkward position that basically has the rest of the forum hostage because of how big it has gotten. Leave our thread be, or we unleash hell on the forum., basically.

*sigh*

[Brad.]

I don't think we need to merge threads or whatever. The only thing that needs to happen is for the insults in the Den/BH to stop, because they provoke arguments and then threads like these two have to be created and a massive fuss is kicked up.

So if people keep themselves to themselves and talk with the people they feel comfortable with in the thread they prefer/feel more welcomed in then all is ok, surely?

[lily.]

I don't get why you want to segregate the forum though Brad... (and not just you of course)..

Wouldn't it be much better if we were integrated?

[WOMBAI]

Yes!

[Marc]

If people have voted No.. could you give some explanations why. Just so we can hear everybodies views

[Captain.Remy]

I don't get why you want to segregate the forum though Brad... (and not just you of course)..

Wouldn't it be much better if we were integrated?

Linda, what if we disolve the list ? Would that make you any happier ?

And you know we'll never get along in one thread, we do not share the same interests and ways of talking. It will cause more harm than good and I'm not saying this because I'm in the BH, but because you and I know this forum very well.

[Brad.]

Personally I think it could cause even more fuss than before, because some people just aren't going to get along in a new thread - therefore there might be some arguments in there and it would be locked more often than not.

The "friendship circles" have already formed in threads like the Den and the BH, so I don't see a point in "breaking them up" again in a new thread.

[Captain.Remy]

If people have voted No.. could you give some explanations why. Just so we can hear everybodies views

I stated mine in the BH Hating thread. :thumbs:

[Captain.Remy]

By the way, the new social neutral thread will last about 3 days. Too many arguments as Marc and Brad said.

[Locke.]

If people have voted No.. could you give some explanations why. Just so we can hear everybodies views

From my post in the other thread-

And I'm against all the threads being merged, and I'm sure most BH members and people that post regularly in The Den would be aswell. The BH was made because all members have a lot of things in common and like to talk between each other and not have things that we aren't interested in posted all over the thread, so merging them would defeat the purpose as to why we made the thread.

[Marc]

The "friendship circles" have already formed in threads like the Den and the BH, so I don't see a point in "breaking them up" again in a new thread.

I don't think a new amalgamated thread would break them up though. Would just help to get everybody along more.

[Stu]

TBH would everybody even fit in the one thread? The current chat threads go fast enough as it is.

[lily.]

I'm seeing a lot of resistance from people unwilling to integrate.

It's not black & white. You can't say "oh we won't get along". You haven't tried.

[Brad.]

I don't think a new amalgamated thread would break them up though. Would just help to get everybody along more.

But we share the same interests and a lot of the time, the same views on many things. So, I feel they would be "interrupted" with endless arguments and bickering, which is very wearing and dull.

I know I can't express my views in the way I want to in the Den for example because I wouldn't really feel comfortable with it.

[lily.]

I know I can't express my views in the way I want to in the Den for example because I wouldn't really feel comfortable with it.

Don't you think some people feel that way in the BH.. and there are even people who feel that way in all the individual threads.. whereas one big thread would be less likely to intimidate people.

[Jack_]

I really can't see one thread working, to be honest. I'm all for giivng it a try but I think it'll just turn out even worse.

A discussion won't go anywhere because as Stu has said, it'll be moving faster than the current chat threads do now, and as people will wish to talk about different things, you won't be able to keep up with replies and they'll be discussions and debates flying about the place.

[Brad.]

No, I think others feel the same way as me (obviously I can't be certain of this) but it just wouldn't make me feel as relaxed and comfortable as when we can all have a laugh in the BH.

[Captain.Remy]

I'm seeing a lot of resistance from people unwilling to integrate.

It's not black & white. You can't say "oh we won't get along". You haven't tried.

Because it will be too hard to handle from one thing to another and like Brad said, a lot of us being uncomfortable having fun the way we have in the BH. We understand each other, we agree on everything, we like the same things. We'll never het that chemistry again in the new thread with all the immature ghetto talk like ikr ily bitchez sfm k? <3 ur so hot lolz honey.

[Chels]

No :/
it'll be really overcroweded and you'll be searching back through pages to find a reply to someone who you were talking to in there.
There'd be too much going on at one time.

[Brad.]

Yeah, what Remy said.

Also, I agree with Stu and Jack. Most of the time it's pretty hard to keep up with the pace of the BH, and the Den is growing pretty damn quickly as well.

[Stu]

How about we have all the chat threads we like but we rebrand them?

Really it's just this knighthood **** and the hierarchy elements that irks me, I couldn't give a monkeys about the rest.

[Jack_]

I agree with Brad. I'd love to talk and get to know the members of the Brotherhood, but as I share nothing in common with them, I feel I can't go in there because I have nothing to talk about and would feel a little out of place.

[Brad.]

How about we have all the chat threads we like but we rebrand them?

Really it's just this knighthood **** and the hierarchy elements that irks me, I couldn't give a monkeys about the rest.

But most people see this as a joke, in fact, everyone who is "in" the BH knows this is an on-going joke we have, it's only the people who don't know about it who get irked as you say. If it is kept inside the Brotherhood thread itself, surely that is ok?

[Jack_]

If it is kept inside the Brotherhood thread itself, surely that is ok?

If it's kept in the thread then I for one don't have a problem with it. But it's not with some members, and that's where the problem for me lies.

[Brad.]

If it's kept in the thread then I for one don't have a problem with it. But it's not with some members, and that's where the problem for me lies.

Then surely an agreement could be made within the BH that what happens inside the BH stays in there? I think that is feasable.

[lily.]

Rebranding then? All in favour of that?

[Jack_]

Then surely an agreement could be made within the BH that what happens inside the BH stays in there? I think that is feasable.

That's fine with me :)

[Brad.]

Rebranding then? All in favour of that?

What do you mean by that? As in, the Brotherhood loses the list on the front page and the userbars?

In that case, I think the userbars should be completely abolished (only about 3 people still have the BH userbar anyway) and the list should be taken less seriously? That seems to be a reasonable compromise.

[Stu]

Then surely an agreement could be made within the BH that what happens inside the BH stays in there? I think that is feasable.
Yeah, just keep it in there.

And seeing as it's a chat thread, theres no need for such a group element. You don't get someone who chats in the den deifining themselves as 'Hi my name is ___ and I'm a denner'.

[Captain.Remy]

What do you mean by that? As in, the Brotherhood loses the list on the front page and the userbars?

In that case, I think the userbars should be completely abolished (only about 3 people still have the BH userbar anyway) and the list should be taken less seriously? That seems to be a reasonable compromise.

I think David and I agreed to scrap the list, I think it will be ok with some others members too. As for userbars, only Ben and Luva are still using it so it's no big deal.

[Brad.]

Yeah, just keep it in there.

And seeing as it's a chat thread, theres no need for such a group element. You don't get someone who chats in the den deifining themselves as 'Hi my name is ___ and I'm a denner'.

Yeah, I know what you mean but that is still all part of the "fun" of the BH, but yeah, if it stays in the thread then I see no problem with it. That is what makes the Brotherhood different from the Den.

[Jack_]

I think getting rid of the memberlist and keeping the Brotherhood terms to its own thread is the best way forward.

That way, both The Den and The Brotherhood are open chat threads and any member can come in and chat at any time they want. That seem fair?

[Brad.]

I think David and I agreed to scrap the list, I think it will be ok with some others members too. As for userbars, only Ben and Luva are still using it so it's no big deal.

Yeah, it's up to Andy really, if he wants to make any changes then he can go ahead and do it because he's the only one who can edit his post on the front page (besides the mods and admins).

[Captain.Remy]

I think getting rid of the memberlist and keeping the Brotherhood terms to its own thread is the best way forward.

That way, both The Den and The Brotherhood are open chat threads and any member can come in and chat at any time they want. That seem fair?

But the BH is already opened to people, where the hell did people got the idea it wasn't ? What a joke lmao
You even said it yourself Jack, you don't want to post here because you have nothing to say to us but no one from the BH did prevent from posting here.

[Brad.]

I think getting rid of the memberlist and keeping the Brotherhood terms to its own thread is the best way forward.

That way, both The Den and The Brotherhood are open chat threads and any member can come in and chat at any time they want. That seem fair?

But the thing is, that seems all well and good until a member that the BH generally don't like - Twilight, for example, then there is a problem. If Twilight wants to start using her "ilysfm" bullshit then she will hardly be welcomed into the thread with open arms will she? If people make it that open, loads of people will just starting irritating the members of the BH and that won't work.

[Niamh.]

What I want to know is why is the Den considered a problem? I chat in the Den alot but I'm not a member of the Den, If I'm not into the conversation there I move somewhere else!

[Brad.]

The Den is about as much of a problem as the Brotherhood, virtually none.

[Stephanie]

how is the den a problem?

[Jack_]

But the BH is already opened to people, where the hell did people got the idea it wasn't ? What a joke lmao
You even said it yourself Jack, you don't want to post here because you have nothing to say to us but no one from the BH did prevent from posting here.

I understand that it's already open to people. But as lili has said earlier in the day, other people may not have seen your posts and may not understand that. By getting rid of the memberlist it automatically seems open.

But the thing is, that seems all well and good until a member that the BH generally don't like - Twilight, for example, then there is a problem. If Twilight wants to start using her "ilysfm" bullshit then she will hardly be welcomed into the thread with open arms will she? If people make it that open, loads of people will just starting irritating the members of the BH and that won't work.

Then we'd just have to hope that people won't be as immature as that and won't deliberately go out of their way to cause trouble. If they do, then you just report their posts.

[Locke.]

I don't think the Den is a problem, but The Brotherhood is being slated for being a clique and arguments always happening in/around it- and The Den is also responsible for the latter. It was only last night or the night before there was a big argument with Courtney in there. And I think it's being looked upon as a clique because it's pretty much the same people that post in there 24/7, but I don't think it's clique.

But yeah, if we delete the list from the front page and keep all the 'knight' talk in one thread then we're all ok, yeah?

[Niamh.]

I don't think the Den is a problem, but The Brotherhood is being slated for being a clique and arguments always happening in/around it- and The Den is also responsible for the latter. It was only last night or the night before there was a big argument with Courtney in there. And I think it's being looked upon as a clique because it's pretty much the same people that post in there 24/7, but I don't think it's clique.

But yeah, if we delete the list from the front page and keep all the 'knight' talk in one thread then we're all ok, yeah?

Well, I can only speak for myself David, I represent myself not the Den and people are going to be in cliques no matter which Threads are opened or closed so in that respect I agree with you, closing the BH is pretty pointless.

[Captain.Remy]

I don't think the Den is a problem, but The Brotherhood is being slated for being a clique and arguments always happening in/around it- and The Den is also responsible for the latter. It was only last night or the night before there was a big argument with Courtney in there. And I think it's being looked upon as a clique because it's pretty much the same people that post in there 24/7, but I don't think it's clique.

But yeah, if we delete the list from the front page and keep all the 'knight' talk in one thread then we're all ok, yeah?

I hope Lili sees this post. I'm sure she'll agree with these terms.

[MrGaryy]

I said no because a) I don't personally think it would work, we'd get each other's nerves and the BH would end up flocking to the Sports section and the Zeta to the music section whilst the neutral newbies stay and b) that's precisely the purpose of The Den and look what's happened there. I like this idea on paper but I don't think it will make much difference. TBH I'm past caring about this whole BH/Zeta thing, I'd rather just distance myself entirely from it now.

[Niamh.]

I said no because a) I don't personally think it would work, we'd get each other's nerves and the BH would end up flocking to the Sports section and the Zeta to the music section whilst the neutral newbies stay and b) that's precisely the purpose of The Den and look what's happened there. I like this idea on paper but I don't think it will make much difference. TBH I'm past caring about this whole BH/Zeta thing, I'd rather just distance myself entirely from it now.

As far as I can see The Den has only turned into a BH rival because of the post count.

[MrGaryy]

As far as I can see The Den has only turned into a BH rival because of the post count.

I was really referring to the fact that the people who post in their have gotten clique, through no fault of their own and that's just what's gonna happen again. Forum cliques are inevitable because there are always going to be members you like and other you hate.

[Niamh.]

I was really referring to the fact that the people who post in their have gotten clique, through no fault of their own and that's just what's gonna happen again. Forum cliques are inevitable because there are always going to be members you like and other you hate.

oh I see ok, but yeah, I mean it's just like real life though, you have a group of friends etc.

[MrGaryy]

oh I see ok, but yeah, I mean it's just like real life though, you have a group of friends etc.

exactly. there has always been clique on tibb, always. and there are alwasy people who feel the need to abolish cliques and bring everyone together, it never works LOL. [not on about lili btw]

[King Gizzard]

No.

What thes point of loads of people chatting when their interests are not similar?

[lily.]

Majority vote supports it at the moment.

[Locke.]

Brotherhood thread locked/deleted = a lot less posts on the forum/traffic for the forum. I'm sure Mark and James don't want that.

[Captain.Remy]

Brotherhood thread locked/deleted = a lot less posts on the forum/traffic for the forum. I'm sure Mark and James don't want that.

Of course they don't. This idea is going nowhere. But we found a solution so it's cool.

[InOne]

Sounds good for a trial really. Nothing set in stone or anything just yet.

[lily.]

We haven't actually found a solution yet.

[Captain.Remy]

We haven't actually found a solution yet.

You don't want any more list and we are willing to let it go. That's what you wanted. Also, no more 'Knights' or 'Sir' talks into other threads but the BH.

[lily.]

So it's now a chat thread?.. and not an elite group?

[King Gizzard]

I love how you can't see who voted in the poll

BH always.

[Captain.Remy]

So it's now a chat thread?.. and not an elite group?

It has always been, you made your focus on a list which has not been updated in a while. :wink:

[Jords]

I think there could be one made, but the others need to stay as it would get too much in one thread :)

[Locke.]

Well you've only got 2 choices really

1. The Brotherhood thread stays and the knight talks is only posted in the thread and the list from the first page is deleted.

2. The Brotherhood thread stays and so does the list and we continue as we have been for the past 10 months or so.

Because you all know that the thread isn't going to be deleted or locked, so you might aswell just drop it now. You've been offered what you originally wanted and don't seem to be happy with it, so there's not really anything else to say on the matter apart from shove your petition up your arse.

[lily.]

Aww David.. you've hurt my feelings..

[Captain.Remy]

Aww David.. you've hurt my feelings..

So do we have an arrangement now ?

[lily.]

Hold on a minute Remy.. I'm sulking..

[Captain.Remy]

Hold on a minute Remy.. I'm sulking..

I thought you said 'I'm swallowing' :tongue: OH DIRTY ME ! :hugesmile:

[lily.]

Dirty mind? Shocking.





Yeah, sure.. remove the list and the userbars, stop hunting in packs, and don't chuck people out of the thread..

[Captain.Remy]

Dirty mind? Shocking.





Yeah, sure.. remove the list and the userbars, stop hunting in packs, and don't chuck people out of the thread..

Me dirty ? No, not at all. Luva is the most shocking with his sheep antics.

And thanks for that. :wink:

[Stu]

Yeah, sure.. remove the list and the userbars, stop hunting in packs, and don't chuck people out of the thread..
This.

And stop acting like junped up little bitches everytime somebody, god forbid, questions The Brotherhood.

You are supposed to me men of steel, damnit.

[Captain.Remy]

This.

And stop acting like junped up little bitches everytime somebody, god forbid, questions The Brotherhood.

You are supposed to me men of steel, damnit.

We're defending what we believe in.

Anyway, I can't believe I spent my day on TIBB, thank God I had nothing to do today. Now I need a cig and play with my Nintendo Ds. :hugesmile:
And go to some gardening. :wink:

[lily.]

We're defending what we believe in.

Anyway, I can't believe I spent my day on TIBB, thank God I had nothing to do today. Now I need a cig and play with my Nintendo Ds. :hugesmile:
And go to some gardening. :wink:

Trim your bush?

[Captain.Remy]

Trim your bush?

Nah, collecting some green leafs. :wink: Stu knows what's I'm talking about, it's our little thing.

[lily.]

Sorry Remy, it's not working.

[Stu]

I kicked the green stuff :bawling:.

[lily.]

Stu, the compromise isn't happening. The BH members are not going to give up their list and userbars.

[Stu]

What? Why? It's just a list of names!

[Novo]

I've decided the list is going

but in replace i will put Award winners name's down and the award they won in 2009,
So the frontpage will not be changed til next year

[Brad.]

That is a good fair compromise Andy

[lily.]

It is fair.. list and userbars was the original compromise. Now if you just agree on the userbars, it's all over.

[Novo]

I'll have a think

give me til 7 and i'll get back to you

[arista]

Who would be in favour of ONE social thread. It could be stickied.. for general chat... basically merging BH/Zeta/Den/Lounge etc. into one thread..



Yes no more Snobby French Rema and the rest.

[arista]

Brotherhood thread locked/deleted = a lot less posts on the forum/traffic for the forum. I'm sure Mark and James don't want that.


David How Dare You speak about something You Do Not Know.



This Is TIBB


No Thug BH.




Lili is Bang On Right.

[Locke.]

David How Dare You speak about something You Do Not Know.



This Is TIBB


No Thug BH.




Lili is Bang On Right.

Sorry Sir

[lily.]

I'll have a think

give me til 7 and i'll get back to you



deal

[Harry!]

James is online btw.

[lily.]

Andy and I have almost reached a compromise. After he gets back to me I'll know more.

There will be no need for Admin intervention if we can agree.

[Marc]

There was no need for Mod or Admin intervention in the first place. This was something the differing groups needed to do themselves. Hope it is settled with this userban lift and member list removal.

[lily.]

I hope so too Marc :thumbs:

[King Gizzard]

I really don't see the need for compromise, things are fine, like now, everyone is getting on as normal

[lily.]

Things are not fine. The issues raised in my thread are valid.

[Patrick]

I've decided the list is going

but in replace i will put Award winners name's down and the award they won in 2009,
So the frontpage will not be changed til next year

Andy! Your getting rid of the Member List?

[King Gizzard]

Oh deary me.

Load of bullshit

[Harry!]

I think Patrick missed the party.

[Patrick]

IMO this whole thread is ****ing stupid.

If people dont like the BH then stay the hell out of it.
The Brotherhood shouldnt have to change anything like the Front Page List, or the Userbars etc just because some people love complaining about it.

[Stu]

Perhaps you could actually read the ****ing thread before jumping into it like a deer in the headlights. That might help.

[lily.]

Why change the habits of a lifetime though. He wouldn't want to set a precedent for behaving sensibly.

[Mrluvaluva]

I removed my userbar. Did not know I still had it tbh.

[lily.]

Barry, you are a star. Xx