Yet Another Failed Terror Attempt this time a Nigerian Student [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

arista

26-12-2009, 06:32 PM

Mixing Liquids with other
Substances went well in the 2005 London Bombings,
but everyone after that is no good at it
this Fool set his legs alight.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/26/article-1238418-07B43AC8000005DC-807_634x360_popup.jpg

A Nigerian man was tackled by fellow passengers as he attempted
to detonate a powdery substance on a trans-Atlantic flight
as it prepared to land at Detroit.
Local police are pictured taking the suspect off the plane

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1238418/Scotland-Yard-raids-London-addresses-Al-Qaeda-suspect-tries-blow-U-S-passenger-jet.html#ixzz0aovVclTB

He has used many names
and has been in London.
But it appears the best place to get through
onto a Plane is Laid Back Amsterdam.

And News Report Headlines on TV need
to say this was infact
a Nigerian Man.

Sign Of The Times.

InOne

26-12-2009, 06:39 PM

Silly Muslims.

arista

26-12-2009, 06:41 PM

Silly Muslims.

Yes Deluded
but then so was GW Bush and Blair.

Patrick

26-12-2009, 06:41 PM

Stupid old Wanker.

InOne

26-12-2009, 06:43 PM

Yes Deluded
but then so was GW Bush and Blair.

Killing in the name of a Psychopathic non-existing god.

WOMBAI

26-12-2009, 06:48 PM

arista

26-12-2009, 06:54 PM

An engineering student! Doesn't sound like the act of a bright spark to me! A religious zealot with psychological problems and/or a rather thick saddo easily brainwashed by other religious zealots.

Even called a Banker
jack of all trades
except bombs.

Scarlett.

26-12-2009, 07:26 PM

They should have left him to burn

Stu

26-12-2009, 07:27 PM

arista

26-12-2009, 08:26 PM

They should have left him to burn

They could not
as the Plane could then Crash.

Well done to those that stopped the no good fool.

Scarlett.

26-12-2009, 09:40 PM

They could not
as the Plane could then Crash.

Shame :/

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 04:30 PM

Think we should take all these flaming terrorists (once convicted) - put them all on a plane and blow it up in mid-air somewhere over the sea! The world will certainly be a better place without them!

InOne

27-12-2009, 04:35 PM

Or just not bothered with their Countries, if we need Oil or whatever just take it. Pretty much what America does. Britain are too soft.

arista

27-12-2009, 05:13 PM

The American Embassy in Africa
had that fools Dad go in there to talk about his son's views.

It appears the Yanks are so busy they miss
it under their noses.

And Here in London
loads are on a list
but at leasat this Fool was banned from entering the UK.

In 2005 London
Khan the Lead Bomber
in the Tube/Bus attacks was also on a list.
Maybe his teaching Job made him sound safe?

lily.

27-12-2009, 05:14 PM

http://i50.tinypic.com/mjwfg1.png

King Gizzard

27-12-2009, 05:25 PM

There was about 3 polices cars rushing down a road when I was in central london then on the news last night I saw that the houses where that guy lived had been raided? might of been them i saw

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 06:32 PM

Think we should take all these flaming terrorists (once convicted) - put them all on a plane and blow it up in mid-air somewhere over the sea! The world will certainly be a better place without them!

Committing terrorism on terrorists? We'd be no better then them. He'll be contained for months now before his trial and then put away for a fair few years where he'll undoubtedly get a harsh time for it. I'm very much against the idea of an eye for an eye.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 06:36 PM

Committing terrorism and terrorists? We'd be no better then them. He'll be contained for months now before his trial and then put away for a fair few years where he'll undoubtedly get a harsh time for it. I'm very much against the idea of an eye for an eye.

Sorry - but don't agree! He will get out in a few years and will quite likely go on to do it again and kill other people. To get rid of him and the like now serves to save lives in the future!

Stu

27-12-2009, 06:40 PM

Committing terrorism and terrorists? We'd be no better then them. He'll be contained for months now before his trial and then put away for a fair few years where he'll undoubtedly get a harsh time for it. I'm very much against the idea of an eye for an eye.
Same here. The guy is going to suffer in the slammer anyway. Let's leave it at that. We don't want to make a cultural event of the publics bloodlust.

''Where are we going, Daddy?''
''To see the terrorists get bombed out of the ****ing sky sweetie!''
''Boy are my glad we are free, Daddy!''

It's just not healthy for society and I don't know why some people make it a hobby to demand the death penalty be brought back with a myriad of possible execution styles. No, life imprisonment for guys like this should be just the default punishment. And I mean life.

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 06:42 PM

Sorry - but don't agree! He will get out in a few years and will quite likely go on to do it again and kill other people. To get rid of him and the like now serves to save lives in the future!

The Death Penalty would be useless too as it'd create a martyr out of a terrorist. It's better to throw him in prison and to rehibilitate him then deport him back then it is to kill him. That way he might see the error of his ways or if he doesn't he won't be given the chance to try it again due to him being grounded in Nigeria.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 06:45 PM

The Death Penalty would be useless too as it'd create a martyr out of a terrorist. It's better to throw him in prison and to rehibilitate him then deport him back then it is to kill him. That way he might see the error of his ways or if he doesn't he won't be given the chance to try it again due to him being grounded in Nigeria.

You can't rehabilitate people like that! They are religious zealots - they are not going to see the 'error of their ways'! Each to their own - but I think the world will be a better and much safer place without the likes of him!

Stu

27-12-2009, 06:50 PM

You can't rehabilitate people like that! They are religious zealots - they are not going to see the 'error of their ways'! Each to their own - but I think the world will be a better and much safer place without the likes of him!
So put him behind bars for the rest of his life then. Whats the problem with that? Unless he has satellite link up to televisions mounted to the side of buildings from his cell I doubt he will be bothering us. Why be so insistent he must die? Why the fascination with extreme capital justice?

It's sort of like people who spend all day watching the news because bad events reported on just become another form of television entertainment to them.

Why as a society do we feel the need to kill the killer to feel more content?

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 06:52 PM

You can't rehabilitate people like that! They are religious zealots - they are not going to see the 'error of their ways'! Each to their own - but I think the world will be a better and much safer place without the likes of him!

Then we kill them and inspire hundreds of others in their place? Killing terrorists makes them Martyrs. In the long one your way would only result in more potential deaths. At least with my way at worst they'll be stuck in their own country.

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 06:55 PM

So put him behind bars for the rest of his life then. Whats the problem with that? Unless he has satellite link up to televisions mounted to the side of buildings from his cell I doubt he will be bothering us. Why be so insistent he must die? Why the fascination with extreme capital justice?

It's sort of like people who spend all day watching the news because bad events reported on just become another form of television entertainment to them.

Why as a society do we feel the need to kill the killer to feel more content?

I also agree with this.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 06:57 PM

Then we kill them and inspire hundreds of others in their place? Killing terrorists makes them Martyrs. In the long one your way would only result in more potential deaths. At least with my way at worst they'll be stuck in their own country.

Living martyrs, dead ones - don't really see the difference! And I think it is very naive to think that they would be stuck in their own country! Who would police that - doubt the Nigerians would be that bothered!

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 07:01 PM

Because a life sentence rarely means that! I don't want others to die at the hands of someone who could have permanently been prevented from killing again!

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 07:02 PM

Living martyrs, dead ones - don't really see the difference! And I think it is very naive to think that they would be stuck in their own country! Who would police that - doubt the Nigerians would be that bothered!

There's no such thing as a living Martyr. The whole idea of Martyrdom is that you die for it. Someone who fails to go through with an attack like this man will be seen as a failure, not many terrorists will be enthused by a failure.

With the point about Nigeria not grounding him, they won't need to. How many countries do you think you'd be allowed access to with convicted terrorism on your record? He wouldn't be able to get near any countries with it.

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 07:03 PM

Because a life sentence rarely means that! I don't want others to die at the hands of someone who could have permanently been prevented from killing again!

but then more will take his place potentially multiplying the number of deaths that he could ever have achieved. The death penalty is useless in this situation.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 07:04 PM

There's no such thing as a living Martyr. The whole idea of Martyrdom is that you die for it. Someone who fails to go through with an attack like this man will be seen as a failure, not many terrorists will be enthused by a failure.

With the point about Nigeria not grounding him, they won't need to. How many countries do you think you'd be allowed access to with convicted terrorism on your record? He wouldn't be able to get near any countries with it.

They always manage to find a way - if determined enough!

Stu

27-12-2009, 07:04 PM

Because a life sentence rarely means that! I don't want others to die at the hands of someone who could have permanently been prevented from killing again!
That's my point. Make it a life sentence by deafult for these people. With life meaning life.

Also a living martyr is a bit of an oxymoron.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 07:08 PM

That's my point. Make it a life sentence by deafult for these people. With life meaning life.

Also a living martyr is a bit of an oxymoron.

You don't have to die to be a martyr. Any kind of sacrifice - ie imprisonment (permanent or otherwise) can be viewed as martyrdom!

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 07:09 PM

They always manage to find a way - if detemined enough!

How? Go into details please.

A fake passport wouldn't do it since his image will be marked. He could get smuggled into a country I suppose but after 10-20 years of imprisonment and abuse at the hands of others would he be so eager to return?

His image would automatically be flagged as well so if he managed to get into the country again and was spotted on a SINGLE CCTV camera it would alert people to his presence. There's no chance of him bombing planes and little chance of him getting into any countries for a direct attack.

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 07:10 PM

You don't have to die to be a martyr. Any kind of sacrifice - ie imprisonment (permanent or otherwise) can be viewed as martyrdom!

It's not though, I dealt with this in my last post. A failed attack is seen as a failure. Martyrs are people who die for the cause.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 07:12 PM

It's not though, I dealt with this in my last post. A failed attack is seen as a failure. Martyrs are people who die for the cause.

Sorry - but you didn't! If he had killed westerners, but not died himself, and been imprisoned for say 10 years - he would be viewed as a martyr by many - giving up his freedom, risking his life to kill westerners etc.

Stu

27-12-2009, 07:13 PM

You don't have to die to be a martyr. Any kind of sacrifice - ie imprisonment (permanent or otherwise) can be viewed as martyrdom!
Then I guess the term has been clouded from what it once was.

That and the fact that you would be killing people who were prepared to die anyway with capital punishment. What sort of punishment to the individual is that? He psyched himself out and prepared himself for sacrafice in the name of his God anyway, he was under the assumption he was going to die anyway, so you would basically be handing it to him on a silver platter!

Compare that to having to spend your entire life in a cell and be rendered a number, unable to make a public statement of any sort, at the hands of those you seeked to destroy.

A lot of these people campaigning for the death penalty are just in it for there own selfish voyeuristic satisfaction. What honest difference does it make to their lives? Far more useful ****ing things to be campaigning for, if you ask me. Maybe some of the more ardent armchair supporters of the death penalty should take up Tennis or Golf or something.

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 07:16 PM

Sorry - but you didn't! If he had killed westerners, but not died himself, and been imprisoned for say 10 years - he would be viewed as a martyr by many - giving up his freedom, risking his life etc.

There's a key flaw here...He didn't kill anyone. He would not be seen as a Martyr if he went to prison. He would whoever if we killed him. You're trying to use what could have happened to augment your points instead of sticking to what did happen.

Also you haven't answered how he could have got out of Nigeria without being caught by Interpol or by any other law agencies.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 07:22 PM

There's a key flaw here...He didn't kill anyone. He would not be seen as a Martyr if he went to prison. He would whoever if we killed him. You're trying to use what could have happened to augment your points instead of sticking to what did happen.

Also you haven't answered how he could have got out of Nigeria without being caught by Interpol or by any other law agencies.

He intended to - tried to - I am sure for many that would have been enough! He might be luckier next time - if we give him that chance!

As for the second part of your question - do you really think that organised terrorist groups couldn't find a way! I am not a terrorist - so I don't know how - but chances are they would!

atieah2009

27-12-2009, 07:33 PM

Killing in the name of a Psychopathic non-existing god.

What a pathetic stereo-typical comment.

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 07:34 PM

He intended to - tried to - I am sure for many that would have been enough! He might be luckier next time - if we give him that chance!

As for the second part of your question - do you really think that organised terrorist groups couldn't find a way! I am not a terrorist - so I don't know how - but chances are they would!

The problem with your whole argument is that it's based around the idea that things 'could' happen and that's extremely flawed. England 'could' win the World Cup, Eastenders 'could' be cancelled next week, I 'could' be Wonder Woman. Does 'could' make any of these statements true?

It'd be extremely difficult for him to get abroad after being deported, He'd be on the terror database of every Law agency there is and he'd be flagged in his two main targets. The fact that you're so determined to think he'd get a chance yet cannot add any arguments to that statement is amusing.

Plus Nigeria would help in keeping him grounded because if he did try another attack it could be considered Nigeria's fault for allowing him too. If you was in charge of Nigeria would you risk pissing off two pretty powerful countries?

atieah2009

27-12-2009, 07:39 PM

There are far many people who considered that bright young deluded man who went from a top UCL student to a bomber as a martyr. sad. but true.

InOne

27-12-2009, 07:40 PM

What a pathetic stereo-typical comment.

Yes, cos there stereotypically is no God. You know they are different to you so just chill.

atieah2009

27-12-2009, 07:41 PM

Yes, cos there stereotypically is no God. You know they are different to you so just chill.

No you said "silly Muslim or Muslims" sunshine. Don't worry i won't blow up the forum.

InOne

27-12-2009, 07:42 PM

No you said "silly Muslim or Muslims" sunshine. Don't worry i won't blow up the forum.

They are silly Muslims.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 07:45 PM

The problem with your whole argument is that it's based around the idea that things 'could' happen and that's extremely flawed. England 'could' win the World Cup, Eastenders 'could' be cancelled next week, I 'could' be Wonder Woman. Does 'could' make any of these statements true?

It'd be extremely difficult for him to get aborad after being deported, He'd be on the terror database of every Law agency there is and he'd be flagged in his two main targets. The fact that you're so determined to think he'd get a chance yet cannot add any arguments to that statement is amusing.

Plus Nigeria would help in keeping him grounded because if he did try another attack it could be considered Nigeria's fault for allowing him too. If you was in charge of Nigeria would you risk pissing off two pretty powerful countries?

The fact that he tried is true - I believe we call it attempted murder! There will always be those that admire him for that alone.

How am I supposed to know how - if I have never tried to get into this country undetected. But you can't deny the fact that many get in and out of our country despite security - terrorists included!

And as Nigeria is quite a lawless country anyway - really don't think they are going to be too bothered about offending our country!

Stu

27-12-2009, 07:46 PM

Here we go, baby. TiBB Muslimgate eleven!

atieah2009

27-12-2009, 07:49 PM

Here we go, baby. TiBB Muslimgate eleven!

:shocked:

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 07:56 PM

The fact that he tried is true - I believe we call it attempted murder! There will always be those that admire him for that alone.

That's true but admiration and being enthused to commit violent acts are different things, killing him would only make sure that there is more to take his place. A failed attack will not result in revenge attacks from other terrorists.

How am I supposed to know how - if I have never tried to get into this country undected. But you can't deny the fact that many get in and out of our country despite security - terrorists included!

How many are convicted terrorists though? It would be hard to even breathe internationally for someone with that on his record nevermind sneaking into countries.

And as Nigeria is quite a lawless country anyway - really don't think they are going to be too bothered about offending our country!

Like usual you've missed the point i was trying to make, If he did attack again we could take away treaties and much needed relief from Nigeria for not preventing him from doing so. If he managed to kill the punishment would only be more severe for Nigeria. Also there could be potential sanctions from other countries, if citizens of other countries were injured or killed.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 08:12 PM

That's true but admiration and being enthused to commit violent acts are different things, killing him would only make sure that there is more to take his place. A failed attack will not result in revenge attacks from other terrorists.

How many are convicted terrorists though? It would be hard to even breathe internationally for someone with that on his record nevermind sneaking into countries.

Like usual you've missed the point i was trying to make, If he did attack again we could take away treaties and much needed relief from Nigeria for not preventing him from doing so. If he managed to kill the punishment would only be more severe for Nigeria. Also there could be potential sanctions from other countries, if citizens of other countries were injured or killed.

I didn't miss the point at all. I do see what you are saying but try rationalising that to the families of those 'he manages to kill'. You put that as if it is a minor, rather insignifant inconvenience. If he 'manages to kill' again - then, in my book, the responsibility lies on us for giving him that chance in the first place. The sanctions etc you mention are all well and good - but how realistic are they.

There are many countries that we don't have extradition treaties with who will not return citizens of their country to us to face charges for murder or other such crimes. Do they care about potential sanctions? They often have limited effect!

Tom4784

27-12-2009, 08:17 PM

I didn't miss the point at all. I do see what you are saying but try rationalising that to the families of those 'he manages to kill'. You put that as if it is a minor, rather insignifant inconvenience. If he 'manages to kill' again - then, in my book, the responsibility lies on us for giving him that chance in the first place. The sanctions etc you mention are all well and good - but how realistic are they.

There are many countries that we don't have extradition treaties with who will not return citizens of their country to us to face charges for murder or other such crimes. Do they care about potential sanctions? They often have limited effect!

But the point is killing him will only insure MORE death. Sanctions can be heavy, especially to a struggling country like Nigeria.

Either throw him away in prison for life or deport him, the Death Penalty will only lead to a lot more innocent blood being spilt.

WOMBAI

27-12-2009, 08:23 PM

But the point is killing him will only insure MORE death. Sanctions can be heavy, especially to a struggling country like Nigeria.

Either throw him away in prison for life or deport him, the Death Penalty will only lead to a lot more innocent blood being spilt.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one I'm afraid!

bananarama

27-12-2009, 08:56 PM

All convicted terrorists should be executed.......Keeping them in jail for decdaes costs a lot of money. Money that would be better spent on giving drugs to the sick that have been denied them due to cost.....

It seems criminals have a blank cheque spent on them because of some misguided belief that an eye for an eye makes one the same as them......Utter contemptable rubbish......

What makes us the same as them is squandering money on them and literally executing the sick in order to afford such imoral sqandering on scum bag killers.....

Stu

27-12-2009, 09:07 PM

How on earth can you compare sending terrorists to prison with denying drugs to the sick as a foundation for your argument? That's about as abstract as it gets. Are we denying drugs to the sick because we buy dog food? Or spend money on wars? Entertainment? Hosting sporting events?

For what it's worth, the cost off keeping someone in jail is absoloutely miniscule, meaningless, nil, nothing, compared to the cost of the legal battle/court stuff before hand anyway. Execution or no execution.

arista

27-12-2009, 10:58 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/27/article-1238802-07B5F22F000005DC-455_634x207.jpg

Look what he has caused.

InOne

27-12-2009, 11:00 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/27/article-1238802-07B5F22F000005DC-455_634x207.jpg

Look what he has caused.

Good god, ridiculous, not gonna be able to go anywhere, nobodys wants that bother. Plus i've been on long flights, it gets so boring.

Stu

27-12-2009, 11:03 PM

Religion is such a riddiculous and ****ed up concept that it has even prevented us from taking a piss during flights.

Amazing.

Smithy

27-12-2009, 11:19 PM

Jst reading the title of the thead it sound like you dissapointed that they failed

InOne

27-12-2009, 11:20 PM

Jst reading the title of the thead it sound like you dissapointed that they failed

More like how stuid they are.

arista

28-12-2009, 08:28 AM

Jst reading the title of the thead it sound like you dissapointed that they failed

No its good he failed
he was a loner, not a Team player in this.

He was not Clever enough for this task.

arista

28-12-2009, 08:31 AM

Good god, ridiculous, not gonna be able to go anywhere, nobodys wants that bother. Plus i've been on long flights, it gets so boring.

Yes long flights you need Gadgets.

At least this Fool was banned from the UK
The Yanks gave him a Visa as his dad is rich.

InOne

28-12-2009, 04:11 PM

Yes long flights you need Gadgets.

At least this Fool was banned from the UK
The Yanks gave him a Visa as his dad is rich.

Indeed, puts me off going to America.

WOMBAI

28-12-2009, 04:16 PM

Indeed, puts me off going to America.

Isn't that where Setanta has gone! Hope it hasn't spoilt his trip!

InOne

28-12-2009, 04:21 PM

Isn't that where Setanta has gone! Hope it hasn't spoilt his trip!

Yeah he's in Seattle. I'm sure it won't have.

arista

29-12-2009, 08:13 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1238843/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-To-eternal-shame-Britain-STILL-hub-Islamic-terror.html

Yemen Terror gangs gave him the Explosives
but he was not good enough for this type of Job.

He thought if it went off he would go to a Heaven
Typical Evil Muslim Trick
used on the young.

All that Money his Rich dad given him
and all gone to waste as he thought he was doing good.

Soon American Planes will have Armed (electric guns) Troops on them
then these Dumb Crazy Muslims will never get near that level again.