View Full Version : Cannabis With it or against it?
simple question
with me im with it. I smoke cannabis on a weekly baises
InOne
02-01-2010, 02:35 PM
Not really bothered, it's just kind of there.
30stone
02-01-2010, 02:36 PM
Against it.
Cannot stand it, done it before so cant say you havent tried it so you have no say, which is ridiculous anyway.
Dont really care if someone has it but if they are smoking near me they know its being ripped up..
Chels
02-01-2010, 02:36 PM
idk i wouldn't try it, i won't even try smoking.
so against it really.
Jords
02-01-2010, 02:37 PM
Against it.
Stephanie
02-01-2010, 02:38 PM
with it, i've smoked it loads.
Iceman
02-01-2010, 02:43 PM
with it, its the most harmless drug out of the lot of them....
This has been done to death a million times and it always turns out the same. When will people learn? Internet + Drug Debates = Overdose of misinformed idiots.
As for weed? I'm known to be partial to it here and there.
30stone
02-01-2010, 02:59 PM
idk i wouldn't try it, i won't even try smoking.
so against it really.
You impress me more each day. :lovedup:
TheTopGuy
02-01-2010, 03:00 PM
i <3 CANNABIS
Ramsay
02-01-2010, 03:05 PM
i have to be with it seeing as i smoke it basically every day
it really is not as bad as some people think
Jords
02-01-2010, 03:07 PM
with it, its the most harmless drug out of the lot of them....
Yeah but some people who start off smoking cannabis tend to move onto stronger drugs..
Chels
02-01-2010, 03:09 PM
You impress me more each day. :lovedup:
aw haha :p
i hate smoking, makes me feel sick.
Iceman
02-01-2010, 03:10 PM
Yeah but some people who start off smoking cannabis tend to move onto stronger drugs..
But thats not the drug, thats the person.......addictive personalities and all that....
30stone
02-01-2010, 03:13 PM
aw haha :p
i hate smoking, makes me feel sick.
Same.
Never tried a cigarette lol.
30stone
02-01-2010, 03:14 PM
Just waiting for someone to bring alcohol into it..lol
Jords
02-01-2010, 03:17 PM
But thats not the drug, thats the person.......addictive personalities and all that....
If it were legalised, more people would give it a go, and those with the addictive personalities would move onto stronger drugs.
Iceman
02-01-2010, 03:19 PM
If it were legalised, more people would give it a go, and those with the addictive personalities would move onto stronger drugs.
But its still not the drug, its the person, thats the point im trying to make...
Jords
02-01-2010, 03:24 PM
But its still not the drug, its the person, thats the point im trying to make...
And if you make it legal, your putting lots of people who wouldnt take the drug but will now it had become legal, lives at risk. Its ok saying cannabis is harmless, but if they move onto cocaine or whatnot because cannabis no longer becomes 'enough', there is serious health risks for them. And it all stemed from taking cannabis in the first place.
Iceman
02-01-2010, 03:27 PM
And if you make it legal, your putting lots of people who wouldnt take the drug but will now it had become legal, lives at risk. Its ok saying cannabis is harmless, but if they move onto cocaine or whatnot because cannabis no longer becomes 'enough', there is serious health risks for them. And it all stemed from taking cannabis in the first place.
Yeah but the same could be said for nearly everything food, drink, cigarettes, prescription medication.
Your still missing my point here, your saying about cocaine and stuff which is fine I agree, but its still not cannabis that is harming people......i think we'll agree to disagree because this is going nowhere!!!! :spin:
If it were legalised, more people would give it a go, and those with the addictive personalities would move onto stronger drugs.
Who says? Local Dutch teens are amongst the lowest consumers in Europe and it's virtually legal there.
The gateway drug argument is B.S. too. It's because of the fact that it's illegal that you have to go to a drug dealer and possibly get offered other stuff.
The gateway drug argument has long been a basless fabrication of the prohibitionists. There's nothing factual or scientific behind it.
Jords
02-01-2010, 03:30 PM
Yeah but the same could be said for nearly everything food, drink, cigarettes, prescription medication.
Your still missing my point here, your saying about cocaine and stuff which is fine I agree, but its still not cannabis that is harming people......i think we'll agree to disagree because this is going nowhere!!!! :spin:
Yeah but if I move from cheese strings to babybels, babybels arnt a threat to my life, cannabis to cocaine would be.
I know what you saying about cannabis doesnt really harm you, its the fact it can open gateways to stronger drugs which is its problem.
And ok :) But yeah imo it should not be legalised.
arista
02-01-2010, 03:31 PM
simple question
with me im with it. I smoke cannabis on a weekly baises
If its in Private
it should not be a problem,
but if you Drive - Then the need to arrest you for that.
Get Down and Get Funky
Watch Out For Them Junkies.
Jords
02-01-2010, 03:34 PM
Who says? Local Dutch teens are amongst the lowest consumers in Europe and it's virtually legal there.
The gateway drug argument is B.S. too. It's because of the fact that it's illegal that you have to go to a drug dealer and possibly get offered other stuff.
The gateway drug argument has long been a basless fabrication of the prohibitionists. There's nothing factual or scientific behind it.
The simple fact you wont get in trouble for taking it will draw people to use it as stress relief or fun. And those who currently take it will probably take it more if it was allowed.
The drug can become not 'enough' for you because you get addicted and you then search for harder drugs yourself.
The simple fact you wont get in trouble for taking it will draw people to use it as stress relief or fun. And those who currently take it will probably take it more if it was allowed.
The drug can become not 'enough' for you because you get addicted and you then search for harder drugs yourself.
So god forbid more people are less stressed and fun?
Your gateway drug argument is still basless and constructed merely on phohibitionist assumptions. That's like saying coca cola is not enough for people so they move onto vodka. Or sniffing lynx is not enough for people so they jump off bridges for 'da buzz'.
Even the government are running out of motivation in the U.S. There are coffee shops opening up in California now and nobody cares anymore. If Obama is re-elected for a second term he could push for full legalisation or at the least decriminalization.
The point is, you can't throw people in prison cells for growing a plant and smoking it and not harming anybody but themselves. Think about it. It's riddiculous.
arista
02-01-2010, 03:44 PM
simple question
with me im with it. I smoke cannabis on a weekly baises
Its Explains why you have not been online for a while.
Jords
02-01-2010, 03:45 PM
So god forbid more people are less stressed and fun?
Your gateway drug argument is still basless and constructed merely on phohibitionist assumptions. That's like saying coca cola is not enough for people so they move onto vodka. Or sniffing lynx is not enough for people so they jump off bridges for 'da buzz'.
Even the government are running out of motivation in the U.S. There are coffee shops opening up in California now and nobody cares anymore. If Obama is re-elected for a second term he could push for full legalisation or at the least decriminalization.
The point is, you can't throw people in prison cells for growing a plant and smoking it and not harming anybody but themselves. Think about it. It's riddiculous.
Coca Cola and sniffing Lynx is less addictive than smoking cannabis.
And for example, when yor first start smoking fags, your nicotine level is low so you only need a few a day, but after a year your nicotine level is built up so you need a lot more a day. Same goes with cannabis, and instead of having lots of it, you move onto harder drugs so you have need a smaller dose for the same affect as all the cannabis would have on you.
Coca Cola and sniffing Lynx is less addictive than smoking cannabis.
And for example, when yor first start smoking fags, your nicotine level is low so you only need a few a day, but after a year your nicotine level is built up so you need a lot more a day. Same goes with cannabis, and instead of having lots of it, you move onto harder drugs so you have need a smaller dose for the same affect as all the cannabis would have on you.
Says who? Sorry Jords but there is no substance behind what you are saying on this. You can't compare nicotine addiction to smoking weed. And caffeine is more addictive than Cannabis, making Coca Cola more addictive than weed. I'd rather give up weed than coffee. Sniffing lynx is also far more damaging than smoking weed. Solvent abuse can be inseperable with lung and organ damage.
Lewis.
02-01-2010, 03:57 PM
A part of me thinks against it.. the part that hates smoking and would never think of doing weed.. but another part of me is for the legalisation.. If they legalised it.. the government could monitor it a lot better.
Jords
02-01-2010, 03:59 PM
Says who? Sorry Jords but there is no substance behind what you are saying on this. You can't compare nicotine addiction to smoking weed. And caffeine is more addictive than Cannabis, making Coca Cola more addictive than weed. I'd rather give up weed than coffee. Sniffing lynx is also far more damaging than smoking weed. Solvent abuse can be inseperable with lung and organ damage.
Addicition is the same with everything. The longer you have of something the more you want it. And thats goes to you, not everybody will give up canabis over coffee, and what about those who dont drink coffee, sniff lynx or whatever else your trying to compare it with.
Its not the fact cannabis doesnt really harm you, its the fact it may lead you onto harder drugs, which is does, stop saying there is no substance there when there blates is. And these harder drugs are more addictive than your coffee.
i done cocaine for a few months before going onto weed. so not everyone actually does get an addiction and as someone said its not the weed making you go onto stronger stuff its yourself :L no ones pushing you to do it.
Addicition is the same with everything. The longer you have of something the more you want it. And thats goes to you, not everybody will give up coffee over cannabis, and what about those who dont drink coffee, sniff lynx or whatever else your trying to compare it with.
Its not the fact cannabis doesnt really harm you, its the fact it may lead you onto harder drugs, which is does, stop saying there is no substance there when there blates is. And these harder drugs are more addictive than your coffee.
But there is no substance behind what you are saying. It's all just your assumption. Compare the amount of Heroin users with the amount of Cannabis users. Thousands versus millions. And please don't say addiction for everything is the same. Cannabis withdrawal is being an irritable, sleepless bastard for a few days. Heroin withdrawal is eight days of coughing your guts up in the toilet and risking shock and death. An alcohol hangover is worse than giving up Cannabis.
Why aren't Alcohol and Tobacco been seen as gateway drugs, here?
Also weed makes me alot more social my brother smokes weed, now he asks me if he wants to come out and wack some bongs. and me and my brother wasnt very close its actually the only times we talk is when we're stoned (or smoking a joint etc) or making a joint or sorting out a bong. x
Jords
02-01-2010, 04:13 PM
I never said symptons of withdrawel are the same, I said the definition of addiction is the same for all things - the longer you have it the more you'll want it.
And you guys are not reading what I am putting >.< Lemo I know its about personalites, legalising the drug would make more people try it, and those with the addictive personalities may move onto the harder drugs, I know cannabis isnt really that harmful, its how it is a gateway.
And the argument about why isnt alcohol and tobacco illegal then is always brought up. And tbh I dont know, probably because the trend is that people who drink alcohol and have tobacco dont tend to move onto hard drugs, but people who smoke cannabis may do - or at least at lot more than alcochol and tobacco users.
arista
02-01-2010, 04:14 PM
Also weed makes me alot more social my brother smokes weed, now he asks me if he wants to come out and wack some bongs. and me and my brother wasnt very close its actually the only times we talk is when we're stoned (or smoking a joint etc) or making a joint or sorting out a bong. x
Not a Good Sign.
Hell of a Rut you are in.
Drugs change you.
I never said symptons of withdrawel are the same, I said the definition of addiction is the same for all things - the longer you have it the more you'll want it.
And you guys are not reading what I am putting >.< Lemo I know its about personalites, legalising the drug would make more people try it, and those with the addictive personalities may move onto the harder drugs, I know cannabis isnt really that harmful, its how it is a gateway.
And the argument about why isnt alcohol and tobacco illegal then is always brought up. And tbh I dont know, probably because the trend is that people who drink alcohol and have tobacco dont tend to move onto hard drugs, but people who smoke cannabis may do - or at least at lot more than alcochol and tobacco users.
That's absoloute bollocks. There's no facts behind what you are saying.
Some claim that trying cannabis increases the probability that users will eventually use "harder" drugs. This hypothesis has been one of the central pillars of anti-cannabis drug policy in the United States,[81] though the validity and implications of these hypotheses are highly debated.[82] Studies have shown that tobacco smoking is a better predictor of concurrent illicit hard drug use than smoking cannabis.[83]
No widely accepted study has ever demonstrated a cause-and-effect relationship between the use of cannabis and the later use of harder drugs like heroin and cocaine. However, the prevalence of tobacco cigarette advertising and the practice of mixing tobacco and cannabis together in a single large joint, common in Europe, are believed to be a factor in promoting nicotine dependency among young persons investigating cannabis.[84]
Jords
02-01-2010, 04:20 PM
I said I dont know probably, but tbh I can see more cannabis users moving on to harder drugs than alcohol drinkers and tobacco smokers.
Well unfortunately there is no evidence to suggest what you are saying.
drugs havent changed me one bit. if it did. then why do i have the same friends now telling me i havent changed :L I dont see anyones problem with smoking weed. hey if you smoke coffee then you're just going to go on harder stuff like caffine pills (coffee has caffine in and thats a drug) and if you do a drug you "change" lol no. i havent changed one single bit. ive been smoked weed untill i became a hardcore smoker (since like february last year) and i havent "changed" a single bit. it makes me sooo relaxed. and just happy that ive got my fam friends and bf.
also
cannabis is highly used in the USA for medical reasons.
People ignore the fact that the stoned state, to the vast majority, is a very relaxing, sociable, spiritually beneficial state of mind. And I have no ambitions whatsoever to go shooting junk in to my balls just because I hit bongs like crazy.
Jords
02-01-2010, 04:29 PM
I guess the things were taught in school is just made up **** too :rolleyes:
A lot of it is, really. Or exagerrated. Or only shown from one side. You can't honestly tell me that the whole anti drugs thing is looking out for your health when alcohol and tobacco are the legal ones.
Captain.Remy
02-01-2010, 04:32 PM
Stu belongs to the Cannabis debate as much as I belong to the Smoking one.
We already had that debate about a thousand times already. I'm tired to explain this one again but I basically agree with what Stu has been saying on the matter. I had my "weed" moments because I was 16, it was new and fresh. Now, it's time to time, when I feel it, it's not bad.
Shaun
02-01-2010, 04:33 PM
Have smoked it before, don't really have the wherewithal to smoke it on a regular basis...but I have no problem with it. I prefer getting stoned to drunk, I don't get sick, I don't turn into an obnoxious twat and I don't have to stand in a club playing T-Pain's 'Low'.
Instead you sit down and everyone talks about Prince's early material when eating ice cream.
Shaun
02-01-2010, 04:34 PM
Exactly, it's win-win.
Jords
02-01-2010, 04:36 PM
I see good points of legalising it and I see bad points. And imo the bad points way over shine the good ones so it should be kept illegal.
If you smoke cannabis, make sure you stick with cannabis and not move onto worse things people :thumbs:
I see good points of legalising it and I see bad points. And imo the bad points way over shine the good ones so it should be kept illegal.
If you smoke cannabis, make sure you stick with cannabis and not move onto worse things people :thumbs:
You only listed one bad point and that was not even fact based. There are dozens of good points on the other hand. Less criminal profit, proper age restrictions, safer product, tax money, freeing up jail space, freeing up Police time, and so on and so on and so on.
WOMBAI
02-01-2010, 04:44 PM
Made an interesting read - if anyone is interested:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1146752.stm
Jack_
02-01-2010, 04:46 PM
This debate has happened so many times now, and I'm completely for it. I've never smoked it, nor do I intend to right now, but that's not to say I won't in the future. I don't know. However, based on the points Stu has made in previous discussions about this, and in this thread too, I'm for it. I see no reason whatsoever why it shouldn't be legalised. None whatsoever.
Made an interesting read - if anyone is interested:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1146752.stm
Look at the groups these studies are targetting. Young people and people who smoke 15 joints a day. Obviously these people are asking for mental illness. But most smokers don't smoke 15 joints a day.
Plus the biggest thing causing the mental illness is poorly grown skunk by criminal gangs - a result of prohibition - which has high levels of THC but low levels of CBD - the other important compound in Cannabis, and a natural andti-psychotic, anti-anxiety agent.
Legalised Cannabis with age restrictions and proper grown weed would have a beneficial effect on the so called psychosis link which is not yet a fact accepted by all scientists.
Plus Cannabis has far more medicinal uses that outweigh this one psycosis thing.
arista
02-01-2010, 05:04 PM
Exactly, it's win-win.
Only for a Time.
A Natural High is best on Sex.
xDramatick
02-01-2010, 05:04 PM
idk i wouldn't try it, i won't even try smoking.
so against it really.
this.
Only for a Time.
A Natural High is best on Sex.
But sex when your stoned is even better than sex :wink:.
arista
02-01-2010, 05:10 PM
But sex when your stoned is even better than sex :wink:.
No it is Not.
You are Hooked.
WOMBAI
02-01-2010, 05:15 PM
If there is enough evidence to support its use in certain medical conditions - that should be allowed - but that doesn't mean it should be legalised for recreational purposes - they are two totally different things.
With.
I smoke when I can get my hands on it. I don't have a regular dealer up here and my landlord would kick us out if he knew we were smoking an "illegal drug". :rolleyes:
If there is enough evidence to support its use in certain medicinal conditions - that should be allowed - but that doesn't mean it should be legalised for recreational purposes - they are two totally different things.
Prohibition only makes things worse. It didn't work with alcohol, it's not going to work with weed.
No it is Not.
You are Hooked.
Sorry you cannot be hooked to cannabis. You can love it and want it all the time, but it is not an addictive substance.
30stone
02-01-2010, 05:19 PM
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt302/dumbjolly/mr_mackey.jpg
Listen to Mr. Mackey.
InOne
02-01-2010, 05:22 PM
http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/jaybob.bmp
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt302/dumbjolly/mr_mackey.jpg
Listen to Mr. Mackey.
Drugs are bad at work, definitely. :laugh:
At my last job, a group of us went out to smoke weed during our lunch break. We were out of sight of our colleagues, but my ex who was still bitter about our breakup decided to be a snitch and told our supervisor.
Made an interesting read - if anyone is interested:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1146752.stm
you obviously dont listen to the news alot
the ex uk's chief drugs adviser said that cannabis is less harmful than alchole and nicotine also 3 more drug advisers step down because he is right. and the goverment are wrong.
Professor Nutt was also lambasted for publishing a report detailing how equasy is more damaging than Ecstacy even though he was 100% right.
WOMBAI
02-01-2010, 05:37 PM
you obviously dont listen to the news alot
the ex uk's chief drugs adviser said that cannabis is less harmful than alchole and nicotine also 3 more drug advisers step down because he is right. and the goverment are wrong.
Well as I don't smoke - and only occasionally have a drink - your point is what exactly!
Personally I don't believe that if people do any of those things to excess - the NHS should foot the bill for resulting illnesses or conditions. It is bogged down as it is - there simply isn't enough money. They should take out insurance to cover any medical costs in the future.
Well as I don't smoke - and only occasionally have a drink - your point is what exactly!
Personally I don't believe that if people do any of those things to excess - the NHS should foot the bill for resulting illnesses or conditions. It is bogged down as it is - there simply isn't enough money. They should take out insurance to cover any medical costs in the future.
And thats where the tax money made from legal Cannabis is brought in...
30stone
02-01-2010, 05:50 PM
Dont see why anyone would like to smoke in general.
Just wait for a cold day, and you can see your breath its just as good.
LOL
Well as I don't smoke - and only occasionally have a drink - your point is what exactly!
.
who said you have to smoke weed to listen to the news :S
WOMBAI
02-01-2010, 06:04 PM
who said you have to smoke weed to listen to the news :S
2 wrongs don't make a right! Even IF smoking and drinking pose more damage to health than smoking Cannabis - doesn't mean that the risks of smoking Cannibis - are therefore acceptable!
Jords
02-01-2010, 06:12 PM
2 wrongs don't make a right! Even IF smoking and drinking pose more damage to health than smoking Cannabis - doesn't mean that the risks of smoking Cannibis - are therefore acceptable!
Couldnt agree more!
2 wrongs don't make a right! Even IF smoking and drinking pose more damage to health than smoking Cannabis - doesn't mean that the risks of smoking Cannibis - are therefore acceptable!
Yes but the risks go down considerably with legalisation.
2 wrongs don't make a right! Even IF smoking and drinking pose more damage to health than smoking Cannabis - doesn't mean that the risks of smoking Cannibis - are therefore acceptable!
who da fuk sed i was being "right" sorry im more aggressive and arguementive when im drunk but sorry me and stu are winning this "debate"
WOMBAI
03-01-2010, 12:51 AM
who da fuk sed i was being "right" sorry im more aggressive and arguementive when im drunk but sorry me and stu are winning this "debate"
I beg to differ! :hugesmile:
Jords
03-01-2010, 12:59 AM
I beg to differ! :hugesmile:
Me and Wombai ftw! :laugh:
WOMBAI
03-01-2010, 01:02 AM
Me and Wombai ftw! :laugh:
:thumbs:
me nd stu ftw.
oioi stu u wana spliff frm surrey 1 tyme?
I beg to differ! :hugesmile:
Shame we havn't heard much of a retort back, then. If your going to big yourself up as 'winning' a debate at least have something to fall back on.
WOMBAI
05-01-2010, 12:16 PM
Shame we havn't heard much of a retort back, then. If your going to big yourself up as 'winning' a debate at least have something to fall back on.
What, one argument at a time not enough for you! :joker:
Your really do like to see yourself as some sort of master debater - one of the few in possession of all the knowledge and facts. Personally, lost interest in this particular debate. You will always think you know better on this one - it could go on to the wee small hours - and haven't got time today!
What, one argument at a time not enough for you! :joker:
Your really do like to see yourself as some sort of master debater - one of the few in possession of all the knowledge and facts. Personally, lost interest in this particular debate. You will always think you know better on this one - it could go on to the wee small hours - and haven't got time today!
No it's just I made my last point that you did not argue back on yet you still felt compelled to big yourself up which I found strange. Remember, I'm not the master debater who said I was winning anything ...
WOMBAI
05-01-2010, 12:43 PM
No it's just I made my last point that you did not argue back on yet you still felt compelled to big yourself up which I found strange. Remember, I'm not the master debater who said I was winning anything ...
Your 'ally' did! I simply responded that I didn't agree! And besides - your responses to other posts usually imply that you think you have 'won' the argument by comments such as "oh dear, it's all falling apart for you".
setanta
05-01-2010, 12:45 PM
Must we talk about this subject when it's been discussed and argued over again and again on the forum. I might bump the older thread so people can have a good read cuz it's too much of an effort to retrace my steps over an issue that seems perfectly clear to me already.
Your 'ally' did! I simply responded that I didn't agree! And besides - your responses to other posts usually imply that you think you have 'won' the argument by comments such as "oh dear, it's all falling apart for you".
Ally. Christ. Don't be so immature. He is merely in agreement with me on this one.
As for point number two? Did you actualy read that thread? He was implying I was a racist. Nice try. Find some better examples next time.
If you are tired with this debate that's fine. But I just found it a bit odd, that's all. Trust you to instantly turn it into something personal about my style of posting. Again.
It's been done to death anyway. The drug thing, that is. Never ends well on the net. No difference with TiBB. Drugs and religion on forums always end the same.
WOMBAI
05-01-2010, 12:50 PM
Must we talk about this subject when it's been discussed and argued over again and again on the forum. I might bump the older thread so people can have a good read cuz it's too much of an effort to retrace my steps over an issue that seems perfectly clear to me already.
Welcome back! How was it in Seatle? :hugesmile:
setanta
05-01-2010, 12:52 PM
Welcome back! How was it in Seatle? :hugesmile:
It was magic, thanks for asking. Packed so much into the week and a half and I actually miss the feckers right now. How were things for you? And don't get me talking about this subject because I'm with Stu on it. :tongue:
Seattle? Lucky bastard. I thought you done a runner.
setanta
05-01-2010, 12:55 PM
Seattle? Lucky bastard. I thought you done a runner.
Away from you? Never my darling. It was nice to leave my sado-masochistic tendencies at home and indulge in some relaxing family times for a change. Doesn't look like I missed much in here really, or am I wrong?
WOMBAI
05-01-2010, 12:56 PM
Ally. Christ. Don't be so immature. He is merely in agreement with me on this one.
As for point number two? Did you actualy read that thread? He was implying I was a racist. Nice try. Find some better examples next time.
If you are tired with this debate that's fine. But I just found it a bit odd, that's all. Trust you to instantly turn it into something personal about my style of posting. Again.
It's been done to death anyway. The drug thing, that is. Never ends well on the net. No difference with TiBB. Drugs and religion on forums always end the same.
Keep your hair on! I used the word 'ally' for convenience - easier to say than that other guy that said etc - thought that was obvious. I picked the most recent example - wasn't trawlling through any others! Do agree though - that like religion and politics - any debate on drugs is likely to end up the same way!
Away from you? Never my darling. It was nice to leave my sado-masochistic tendencies at home and indulge in some relaxing family times for a change. Doesn't look like I missed much in here really, or am I wrong?
Let me think ...
... no, your right. We have a regular called Gavin now who claims to be part of a secret society dubbed 'The Church' who have hand picked Stephen Baldwin to win Celebrity Big Brother but that's about all that's happened.
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