Islam4UK marching in Wooton Bassett

[Crimson Dynamo]

Islam4UK, said to have extremist links, has written to bereaved families about plans to march through Wootton Bassett.

What do you think about this?

[Novo]

Hope the EDL are there to crash the party

[InOne]

Source?

[Scarlett.]

They should be told to **** off, Wooton Bassett is for heroes

[Crimson Dynamo]

Source?

are you asking me?

if so, main bbc news website

[InOne]

Can't see it

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/8438915.stm

[InOne]

Maybe they should just all march right back to the Middle East...

[arista]

Islam4UK, said to have extremist links, has written to bereaved families about plans to march through Wootton Bassett.

What do you think about this?


The Council has Stopped them.



They are Extreme Muslims

Like on here Poster Gavin is Extreme Bible Freak.

[arista]

are you asking me?

if so, main bbc news website


It has been Debated all day on the better
SkyNews.

[arista]

Hope the EDL are there to crash the party


No Live on Radio 5
they said they would March in thousands outside their Muslim places.

[Scarlett.]

The Council has Stopped them.



They are Extreme Muslims

Like on here Poster Gavin is Extreme Bible Freak.
So they wont be allowed to march?

[arista]

So they wont be allowed to march?


They would be arrested.

[Scarlett.]

They would be arrested.

Good to hear :blush:

[Sticks]

Will they take that council to court for breaching their human rights? :rolleyes:

[arista]

Will they take that council to court for breaching their human rights? :rolleyes:


They can not

As Under the 1986 Law
Those Muslim Freaks should have asked formal permission
16 Days before


Case Closed.

[WOMBAI]

Will they take that council to court for breaching their human rights? :rolleyes:

Oh - don't give us that old human rights crap. They don't have the right to cause distress to the families who have lost loved ones. Usual attention seeking idiots.

[lily.]

This march is absolutely disgusting. They all need arrested.

[Stu]

Oh - don't give us that old human rights crap. They don't have the right to cause distress to the families who have lost loved ones. Usual attention seeking idiots.
I think he was being sarcastic. At least I hope, given his views on us not talking about other countries policies.

Sad thing about these situations is it's almost always a no-win in some way because they are getting the publicity they crave.

I can see now how incredibly stupid people are roped into voting for the BNP.

[InOne]

Doubt it will happen now really, it's been built up quite alot. But the fact they even thought about it shows the the arrogance of them. 'Islam4UK' Erm, nah thanks **** off :)

[lily.]

Joe, this post of yours sums up how I feel about the likes of these *****s...
Maybe they should just all march right back to the Middle East...

[InOne]

I tell it how it is Linda my darling ;)

[lily.]

You do. It won't win you any popularity contests, but hey ho.. lol

[InOne]

It's not racist, just any Muslims who think they can do what they like in the UK should go to a Muslim country. Can't say any fairer than that.

[Novo]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Islamist-Group-Offers-To-Scrap-Demonstration-In-Wootton-Bassett-If-PM-Agrees-To-Debate-Afghanistan/Article/201001115514742?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15514742_Islamist_Group_Offers_To_Scra p_Demonstration_In_Wootton_Bassett_If_PM_Agrees_To _Debate_Afghanistan


Cheeky *****

[Scarlett.]

The next head line should be "PM tells Islam4UK to go ******* themselves and deports them"

[InOne]

They are scared they will take the streets and riot if they don't get their own way. Seems what they are best at doing, why don't they go to Afghanistian and hold up some coffins, see how long it takes for them to get shot. Why is it even being debated?? UK has gone soft.

[WOMBAI]

They are scared they will take the streets and riot if they don't get their own way. Seems what they are best at doing, why don't they go to Afghanistian and hold up some coffins, see how long it takes for them to get shot. Why is it even being debated?? UK has gone soft.

Wish they would do just that! Shoot the buggers I say! :hugesmile:

[InOne]

This is our Country...

6T7eQyah4qU

[Sticks]

I think he was being sarcastic. At least I hope, given his views on us not talking about other countries policies.


Why do you think I used the :rolleyes: emoticon?

If you want me to be serious then I could use a certain quote by Voltaire

Except he never said it

[Novo]

This is our Country...

6T7eQyah4qU

That video just shows how deluded they are. there like Sheep without any minds of there own it's unreal.

[WOMBAI]

This is our Country...

6T7eQyah4qU

Just a bunch of deluded psychotic thugs! They underestimate the Brits if they really think they are going to take over our country. We should give them a taste of their own medicine and deny them free speech here. The penalty should be permanent deportation!

[Sticks]

It also shows that the CNN guy can not pronounce the name of the major river through London properly :mad:

[Crimson Dynamo]

River Th-ames as in Thelma?

wtf is that guy got a job at CNN and he does not know the river Thames?


the whole vid clip looses all credibility

[InOne]

River Th-ames as in Thelma?

wtf is that guy got a job at CNN and he does not know the river Thames?


the whole vid clip looses all credibility

Would you rahther it be a Church of England country or a Mosque of Allah country? The video loses no credibility.

[lily.]

http://i50.tinypic.com/w0n7s4.png

[InOne]

Epic lol

[Tom4784]

Islam4uk really need sorting out, they represent the Islam faith horribly.

That video is ridiculous, No religion really has any power in the UK, nevermind Islam. It's just a small bunch of idiots giving the rest a bad name, like the afforementioned group.

[InOne]

Islam4uk really need sorting out, they represent the Islam faith horribly.

That video is ridiculous, No religion really has any power in the UK, nevermind Islam. It's just a small bunch of idiots giving the rest a bad name, like the afforementioned group.

And what is a good representation of the Islamic faith then? lol

[Tom4784]

And what is a good representation of the Islamic faith then? lol

How about the majority of them which are accepting of integration? Every religion has it's darker side but you can't tar everyone with the same brush.

[King Gizzard]

Have a mate whos family are muslims, him included, and I think his hate for Islam4UK is even bigger than all of yours lol!!!

[InOne]

How about the majority of them which are accepting of integration? Every religion has it's darker side but you can't tar everyone with the same brush.

Not the same as Islam though. There is no such thing as a funamentalist Muslim as they all believe the quran to be 100% literal, and that is what we class as a fundie. Just some choose to act out on it, some don't.

[atieah2009]

Yes. **** them there Muslim.......

[Tom4784]

Not the same as Islam though. There is no such thing as a funamentalist Muslim as they all believe the quran to be 100% literal, and that is what we class as a fundie. Just some choose to act out on it, some don't.

Is every Christian a devout Christian to the word? No, it's the same with Islam you get some that are fundamentalists and some that only take so much away from the Qu'ran, just like most Christians do with the bible. It's all religion at the end of the day and they're people like us too. It's quite ignorant to state that all Muslims are fundamentalists and such when a lot aren't.

It's all hyperbole spun up by the red tops and the BNP at the end of the day. Instead of damning a massive number of people we should focus on the groups that are making the trouble.

[atieah2009]

Is every Christian a devout Christian to the word? No, it's the same with Islam you get some that are fundamentalists and some that only take so much away from the Qu'ran, just like most Christians do with the bible. It's all religion at the end of the day and they're people like us too. It's quite ignorant to state that all Muslims are fundamentalists and such when a lot aren't.

It's all hyperbole spun up by the red tops and the BNP at the end of the day. Instead of damning a massive number of people we should focus on the groups that are making the trouble.

No blaim the whole of islam.:sleep:

[Scarlett.]

Have a mate whos family are muslims, him included, and I think his hate for Islam4UK is even bigger than all of yours lol!!!

No wonder, what Islam4UK are doing is making them look worse, a lot worse

[InOne]

Is every Christian a devout Christian to the word? No, it's the same with Islam you get some that are fundamentalists and some that only take so much away from the Qu'ran, just like most Christians do with the bible. It's all religion at the end of the day and they're people like us too. It's quite ignorant to state that all Muslims are fundamentalists and such when a lot aren't.

It's all hyperbole spun up by the red tops and the BNP at the end of the day. Instead of damning a massive number of people we should focus on the groups that are making the trouble.

You take 'Fundamentalist' out of context, i'm not on about every muslim wants to blow themself up, but what we define as a fundie, every muslim (if they follow their religion correctly) fits into.

[InOne]

No blaim the whole of islam.:sleep:

Ahhhh says the model Muslim, bragging about beating people up, almost idolizing your cousin, you're a proper hypocrite and need to step off your high horse.

[Tom4784]

You take 'Fundamentalist' out of context, i'm not on about every muslim wants to blow themself up, but what we define as a fundie, every muslim (if they follow their religion correctly) fits into.

But the point is the same could be said for any religion if you follow it completely. Every religion has the fundamentalist groups which aren't representative as the religion as a whole. In Islam you have the Islam4UK, In Christianity you have sects like the Westboro Baptist Church and Opus Dei whih preach prejudice, self harm and treating women as lesser humans respectively. Yet mainstream Christianity isn't seen like that, my point is that it's the same for Islam, you have the extreme sects and then you have the more mainstream majority that obviously aren't fundamentalists.

I do get what you're trying to say but I think that point could be used in an argument against any religion really.

[lily.]

atieah,, you had that one coming son.. -nods-

[InOne]

But the point is the same could be said for any religion if you follow it completely. Every religion has the fundamentalist groups which aren't representative as the religion as a whole. In Islam you have the Islam4UK, In Christianity you have sects like the Westboro Baptist Church and Opus Dei whih preach prejudice, self harm and treating women as lesser humans respectively. Yet mainstream Christianity isn't seen like that, my point is that it's the same for Islam, you have the extreme sects and then you have the more mainstream majority that obviously aren't fundamentalists.

I do get what you're trying to say but I think that point could be used in an argument against any religion really.

Only difference is Islam promotes violence and hate lol

[lily.]

I think extremists are utter *****s.

I feel sorry muslims who aren't extremist, because they can't really win in this type of situation. If they speak out against the extremist, they may be persecuted for not conforming... if they support the extremist... the non-muslims hate them..

It's a lose/lose situation for them..

[Tom4784]

Only difference is Islam promotes violence and hate lol

So does Christianity if you take every word as fact (like with the Qu'ran). Look back in History, Christianity's past is as blood soaked as Islam's yet it isn't treated with such trepidation.

[Stu]

Only difference is Islam promotes violence and hate lol
Only if you look at it a certain way. It's all about personal interpretation. I have read the Qur'an and it's full of some beautiful pieces.

[InOne]

So does Christianity if you take every word as fact (like with the Qu'ran). Look back in History, Christianity's past is as blood soaked as Islam's yet it isn't treated with such trepidation.

Yes but the quran has hate for a direct group of people, the Christian and Jews, no other religion has that.

[InOne]

Only if you look at it a certain way. It's all about personal interpretation. I have read the Qur'an and it's full of some beautiful pieces.

Indeed, but the bad outweighs the good. It is a militant religion.

[30stone]

Lead them out and.. and... BOOM.

[Stu]

Yes but the quran has hate for a direct group of people, the Christian and Jews, no other religion has that.
Bollocks, it still depends how you interpret it. For instance, a version of the Christian golden rule exists in Islam too : Don't do unto others what you wouldn't have done to you. But like certain Christian groups, certain Islamist groups ignore this. These books are huge - huge - and given their bullshit, fallacy ridden, contradictory nature, numerous interpretations exist. You can't just say defiantly that Islam is a religion of hate, just like you can't say defiantly Christianity is a religion of love and compassion.

“None of you believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”
- The Qur'an.

[spitfire]

Do you know what have you done, with your twisted dreams?

How you ignore people’s heartache, ignored their screams

Did you feel any remorse as the planes hit the towers?

Or did you get endless pleasure, during America’s darkest hours

You sent the innocents to their death without even a thought

You’re crazy Koran; your book, it’s what you thought you were taught

Did you join in the planning, the slaughter on seven/seven

Did you hold street parties during Ramadan to celebrate nine/eleven?

You took advantage of tolerance, you under estimated the resolve of the west

You learnt the infidel the word HATE, and just how to detest

You created bitterness and contempt disturbed the sleeping beast

Gave us a new vocabulary on which we the infidel learnt to feast

Extremist, Traitor, Allah Akbar, words seldom used in our land

But then you taunted our brave soldiers, and now you have forced our hand

The time has come to draw the sword, now our eyes are opened wide

We cannot, will not lose this war, you see we have England on our side

We will try to protest peacefully, we do not want disorder for our street

The infidel is no longer friendly; Extremism and terrorism will be beat

Oh don’t doubt our hatred for you; we won’t rest till you left these shores

A message for labour and Gordon Brown, we aren’t taking this any more

Between you, you destroyed our country, our people afraid to have their say

As soon as they have an opinion, well the race card comes out to play

Our freedom of speech lies in the gutter; our people have their heads in the sand

A message for UAF, labour and Choudray, we are going to take back England

To EDL when things are tough, please keep this message in mind

You are fighting for our England back, for every man, woman and child.

[30stone]

Spitfire come along and boom!

[InOne]

Bollocks, it still depends how you interpret it. For instance, a version of the Christian golden rule exists in Islam too : Don't do unto others what you wouldn't have done to you. But like certain Christian groups, certain Islamist groups ignore this. These books are huge - huge - and given their bullshit, fallacy ridden, contradictory nature, numerous interpretations exist. You can't just say defiantly that Islam is a religion of hate, just like you can't say defiantly Christianity is a religion of love and compassion.

Indeed, still does not take away the fact it preaches hate for a two groups of people who still exist today. Every Muslim I have ever talked to has a different interpretation of the quran, yet they say it is flawless and without contradiction.

[lily.]

Religion is the root of all evil. Fact.

[Stu]

Indeed, still does not take away the fact it preaches hate for a two groups of people who still exist today. Every Muslim I have ever talked to has a different interpretation of the quran, yet they say it is flawless and without contradiction.
Exactly, and I provided you with one. So it dosn't definitively teach hate towards two groups of people because on the other hand the golden rule exists. The whole thing is an endless series of contradictions.

If I were to argue using your logic, Christianity, using it's foundational texts, appears to teach hatred towards homosexuals, *****s, the rich, pagans ... need I go on?

Really neither of us can win here. But the religionists almost always loose :hugesmile:.

That's sacred texts for you. If you wan't a good one, check out the Tibetan Book of the Dead. It's free from any political manifesto and propagandised hate :thumbs:.

[InOne]

Exactly, and I provided you with one. So it dosn't definitively teach hate towards two groups of people because on the other hand the golden rule exists. The whole thing is an endless series of contradictions.

If I were to argue using your logic, Christianity, using it's foundational texts, appears to teach hatred towards homosexuals, *****s, the rich, pagans ... need I go on?

This is not about Christianity though, this is about Islam...

Why when discussing one religion does another need to be brought into it, i'm not excatly Christian or defending Christianity am I?

[Stu]

This is not about Christianity though, this is about Islam...

Why when discussing one religion does another need to be brought into it, i'm not excatly Christian or defending Christianity am I?
My point still stands. You say Islam teaches hate, I show you a quote from the Qur'an which appears to suggest we should treat everybody equal. The two cancel each other out. A contradiction. Therefore you cant say definitively that all Muslims are taught and carry out active hatred towards Christians etc.

Which was my initial point. It's all about interpretation. Really, the whole thing is just bullshit.

Religion is the root of all evil. Fact.
Control is pretty much the escence of all human evil I think. Apart from those men who just want to watch the world burn. Religion being of course a by-product of control masquerading as a tool to help the less fortunate.

[InOne]

My point still stands. You say Islam teaches hate, I show you a quote from the Qur'an which appears to suggest we should treat everybody equal. The two cancel each other out. A contradiction. Therefore you cant say definitively that all Muslims are taught and carry out active hatred towards Christians etc.

Which was my initial point. It's all about interpretation. Really, the whole thing is just bullshit.

It teaches hate to none Muslims, it teaches hate to Christians and Jew. As I said Islam is a militant religion, if Muslims followed the golden rule, do you think there would be so many wars in Muslim countries? Do you think Shia and Sunnis would have bitter hate for eachother? It is pretty well know in the Middle East Islam does not go by the golden rule.

[Stu]

It teaches hate to none Muslims, it teaches hate to Christians and Jew. As I said Islam is a militant religion, if Muslims followed the golden rule, do you think there would be so many wars in Muslim countries? Do you think Shia and Sunnis would have bitter hate for eachother? It is pretty well know in the Middle East Islam does not go by the golden rule.
And that is exactly where interpretation comes into it. People ignore certain bits to further there own agendas. But the golden rule still exists in the Qur'an, as well as your 'hate to none Muslims'.

Technicaly using your logic I could sit here and proclaim officialy Islam as being a religion that teaches love to your neighbour. But I can't because it would be a generalisaton of a huge group of people who all have different interpretations.

Ergo, religion is bullshit. It dosn't really teach any one definitive thing. It's a pick and mix sandbox for nutters everywhere.

[InOne]

And that is exactly where interpretation comes into it. People ignore certain bits to further there own agendas. But the golden rule still exists in the Qur'an, as well as your 'hate to none Muslims'.

I did not say it did not exist, they just choose not to follow it. It's a branch of Judaism and Christianity of course it's going to be there.

[Stu]

I did not say it did not exist, they just choose not to follow it. It's a branch of Judaism and Christianity of course it's going to be there.
Right, just like plenty of Muslims choose not to follow the 'hate the other religions' bit.

Simple.

[InOne]

Right, just like plenty of Muslims choose not to follow the 'hate the other religions' bit.

Simple.

Indeed, still manage to get themselves in quite alot of bother though aye ;)

[Stu]

Nah, plenty of peaceful Muslims exist.

[InOne]

Didn't deny they did.

[JOSHUAH!]

This Mr.Choudry who is running the march, and runs ISLAM4UK, has said this march is to 'remember the innocent men, women and children who have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan'

In fairness, I agree - it's TERRIBLE that these innocent civilians die - but the United Nations have statistics which show that most Muslim civilians in Afghanistan have died from other Muslims, usually in suicide bombs, and the like. Mr.Choudry continues to blame our soldiers for their deaths and its simply not true - the majority of our soldiers go over there to protect people, and to save them. Most moderate Muslims in the country even like the soldiers.

So really, a march should go ahead. But NOT in Wooten Basset - it is TOTALLY wrong, and shows no compassion. As a religious man Mr.Choudry should remember that soldiers, civilians, whatever - they are LIVES. People dying is a horrible thing, and these soldiers have been ordered to go to Afghanistan by our government, it is not their fault. Mr.Choudry should change the location, because to be honest, the whole idea for the march was to 'remember the innocent civilian lives lost' WELL, I'm sorry, but the media, and not many of the public actually know that - we are just outraged you've chosen Wooten Basset. So really, his idea hasn't got through, or made us think about the civilians at all.

On Sky News they interviewed a Muslim lady from the 'Muslim Council of Britain' She said he was a 'mad man' - I think that speaks volumes. A Muslim calling Mr.Choudry a mad man, and that he is. I'm glad she spoke out, because at least we now know that not all Muslims think and behave like him.

[arista]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2796335/Hate-cleric-Anjem-Choudary-on-25k-benefits.html


What is worse is the UK Public Fund his Extreme gigs.

[WOMBAI]

This Mr.Choudry who is running the march, and runs ISLAM4UK, has said this march is to 'remember the innocent men, women and children who have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan'

In fairness, I agree - it's TERRIBLE that these innocent civilians die - but the United Nations have statistics which show that most Muslim civilians in Afghanistan have died from other Muslims, usually in suicide bombs, and the like. Mr.Choudry continues to blame our soldiers for their deaths and its simply not true - the majority of our soldiers go over there to protect people, and to save them. Most moderate Muslims in the country even like the soldiers.

So really, a march should go ahead. But NOT in Wooten Basset - it is TOTALLY wrong, and shows no compassion. As a religious man Mr.Choudry should remember that soldiers, civilians, whatever - they are LIVES. People dying is a horrible thing, and these soldiers have been ordered to go to Afghanistan by our government, it is not their fault. Mr.Choudry should change the location, because to be honest, the whole idea for the march was to 'remember the innocent civilian lives lost' WELL, I'm sorry, but the media, and not many of the public actually know that - we are just outraged you've chosen Wooten Basset. So really, his idea hasn't got through, or made us think about the civilians at all.

On Sky News they interviewed a Muslim lady from the 'Muslim Council of Britain' She said he was a 'mad man' - I think that speaks volumes. A Muslim calling Mr.Choudry a mad man, and that he is. I'm glad she spoke out, because at least we now know that not all Muslims think and behave like him.

Well said! :thumbs:

[atieah2009]

Ahhhh says the model Muslim, bragging about beating people up, almost idolizing your cousin, you're a proper hypocrite and need to step off your high horse.

I was not bragging over it and i said i would never want to be like him, definite twisting of words..

[InOne]

I was not bragging over it and i said i would never want to be like him, definite twisting of words..

Just don't go taking the moral highground like WildCat does.

[atieah2009]

Just don't go taking the moral highground like WildCat does.

I can talk as i please. And what your telling me you were always an "angel" i can talk so as to what ever way i wish too.

[InOne]

I can talk as i please. And what your telling me you were always an "angel" i can talk so as to what ever way i wish too.

Never said I was, but I don't claim to be Religious either.

[atieah2009]

Never said I was, but I don't claim to be Religious either.

So if i am Religious now, that meaning all my life i was religious and of high morals. Many people change so you should know.

[InOne]

So if i am Religious now, that meaning all my life i was religious and of high morals. Many people change so you should know.

Indeed they do, what is your point?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Only difference is Islam promotes violence and hate lol

Now this is where you piss me off, everyone including muslims hates extremist idiots like Islam4UK but when you try and say that muslims generally and Islam promotes hate and violence, your just way way off the mark

[InOne]

Now this is where you piss me off, everyone including muslims hates extremist idiots like Islam4UK but when you try and say that muslims generally and Islam promotes hate and violence, your just way way off the mark

You know it's funny right, all the moderate Muslims are forever telling us that they do not reperesent Islam and Islam is about peace blah blah blah. But you never see them saying to those people 'Look brothers, this is wrong, this is not Islam' Funny that eh

[NettoSuperstar!]

You know it's funny right, all the moderate Muslims are forever telling us that they do not reperesent Islam and Islam is about peace blah blah blah. But you never see them saying to those people 'Look brothers, this is wrong, this is not Islam' Funny that eh

Yeh they do it just doesnt get in the media or in the Daily Mail etc...they want hate and anger and outrage in their papers, it sells and fuels the moral panics of the day

[InOne]

Yeh they do it just doesnt get in the media or in the Daily Mail etc...they want hate and anger and outrage in their papers, it sells and fuels the moral panics of the day

The thing is they don't, they were cheering in the streets after 9/11.

[Stu]

The thing is they don't, they were cheering in the streets after 9/11.
There you go again. Were they all cheering? No. But the lunatics who can bang the drums the loudest are the ones you hear.

[InOne]

There you go again. Were they all cheering? No. But the lunatics who can bang the drums the loudest are the ones you hear.

There I go again saying they were all cheering when actually I didn't say all. I said they, which does not imply all it implies some. Stop making something out of nothing.

[Stu]

Sure you didin't say 'all' but you were saying 'they were cheering on the streets after 9/11' in response to Netto saying that Muslims actually do speak about against extremists. So no, I'm really not making something out of nothing.

[InOne]

Sure you didin't say 'all' but you were saying 'they were cheering on the streets after 9/11' in response to Netto saying that Muslims actually do speak about against extremists. So no, I'm really not making something out of nothing.

Netto does not really have much proof of that, just her in her little Multicultural bubble, and I know that everytime you hear about these thing they always divert to 'This is not the real Islam' 'These people are not Muslims', they should go out and tell the people who do, they should make more of an effort to get to the youth.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Netto does not really have much proof of that, just her in her little Multicultural bubble, and I know that everytime you hear about these thing they always divert to 'This is not the real Islam' 'These people are not Muslims', they should go out and tell the people who do, they should make more of an effort to get to the youth.

Riiight...Im in a bubble...who knows the most muslims? Who bothers to try and get and understand ordinary muslim opinion? pleeease...so you admit you think "they" all think the same way

[Stu]

Netto does not really have much proof of that, just her in her little Multicultural bubble, and I know that everytime you hear about these thing they always divert to 'This is not the real Islam' 'These people are not Muslims', they should go out and tell the people who do, they should make more of an effort to get to the youth.
You don't need proof to say that not all Muslims support extremists. Just a pinch of common sense.

[NettoSuperstar!]

exactly

[InOne]

Riiight...Im in a bubble...who knows the most muslims? Who bothers to try and get and understand ordinary muslim opinion? pleeease...so you admit you think "they" all think the same way

How do you know you know more than me? And yes you are in your own little bubble, with Wildcat, that likes to scream Racism

[InOne]

You don't need proof to say that not all Muslims support extremists. Just a pinch of common sense.

They but they don't do much about it either, that is what I was saying.

[NettoSuperstar!]

http://www.reconciliationtalk.com/2010/01/widespread-muslim-denunciation-of-wootton-bassett-plans.html

http://www.islamfortoday.com/fundamnetalism.htm

http://www.racematters.org/speakagainstislamicintoler.htm

http://www.hmforces.co.uk/news/articles/1824-on-the-streets-of-wootton-bassett-a-silent-muslim-couple-join-mourning-army-families

[spitfire]

Maybe the non extreme Muslims should come out against this parade. Too often they complain about being misrepresented by the extremists. Now is the time for decent Muslims to stand against such a vile act. Sometimes silence says an awful lot more.

[InOne]

http://www.reconciliationtalk.com/2010/01/widespread-muslim-denunciation-of-wootton-bassett-plans.html

http://www.islamfortoday.com/fundamnetalism.htm

http://www.racematters.org/speakagainstislamicintoler.htm

http://www.hmforces.co.uk/news/articles/1824-on-the-streets-of-wootton-bassett-a-silent-muslim-couple-join-mourning-army-families

You give me all these links yet nothing ever changes, they always say that kind of stuff.

[NettoSuperstar!]

You give me all these links yet nothing ever changes, they always say that kind of stuff.

What they going to do go round to the extremists houses and kill them? You said they dont speak out against them they do!

[InOne]

What they going to do go round to the extremists houses and kill them? You said they dont speak out against them they do!

Not in public though, why don't they get big ralleys againt it like that did for some silly drawings?

[InOne]

Maybe the non extreme Muslims should come out against this parade. Too often they complain about being misrepresented by the extremists. Now is the time for decent Muslims to stand against such a vile act. Sometimes silence says an awful lot more.

They prefer to tell us how many are not doing and how many are actually moderate, like that matters? The ones who are doing are doing a hell of a lot of damage.

[Tom4784]

Netto's spot on with the Newspapers points, I remember lessons on Moral Panic quite well. They make Muslims the enemy and then the sheep will buy newpspaer after newspaper to find out the 'latest'. They did it with Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Recession ETC (not the best examples but some recent ones).

[InOne]

Yes they do create moral panics, but it does not change what actually has happened.

[Tom4784]

Yes they do create moral panics, but it does not change what actually has happened.

But it's obviously enough to antagonise a whole faith judging on your reaction and others to the non extremist muslims that aren't involved in radical groups.

[InOne]

But it's obviously enough to antagonise a whole faith judging on your reaction and others to the non extremist muslims that aren't involved in radical groups.

You know what I said on it so not much point going over it. But people seem to think i'm against but Islam, i'm against all of the monotheistic religions, Islam just happens to be particularly cruel.

[Stu]

I think all of them are pretty cruel it's just whereas Christianity evolved [and in doing looked stupid, at least to me, because apparently certain laws in 'gods word' have expiration dates] Islam seems to be stuck in the dodo ages.

Those guys really need to sort out their PR.

[InOne]

I doubt they ever will, Islamic Science is also quite laughable as well. It annoys me when Muslims don't admit Islam is a branch of Christianity and Judaism

[Stu]

Aye I have seen videos by Muslims on YouTube trying to point out how things like modern technology were all predicted in the Qur'an. Even Bible Bashers at their nuttiest don't point to Deuteronomy as predicting GPS systems.

[InOne]

Also I got told if there is a contradiction in the quran, the newer passage trumps the old, which is a bit odd. Mind you, those are the ones who admit there are contradictions

[lily.]

Maybe the non extreme Muslims should come out against this parade. Too often they complain about being misrepresented by the extremists. Now is the time for decent Muslims to stand against such a vile act. Sometimes silence says an awful lot more.


Spot on.

[WOMBAI]

What they going to do go round to the extremists houses and kill them? You said they dont speak out against them they do!

Not loud enough! If they really mean it - they would shout louder!

[Stu]

Good point. None of them really mean it. All Muslims, in private, support Jihad :rolleyes:.

[WOMBAI]

Good point. None of them really mean it. All Muslims, in private, support Jihad :rolleyes:.

I think most Brits would probably say that they don't see any sign of 'most' Muslims standing up against the people they claim are 'tarnishing' their characters. If they are really against extremism and say that is not respresentative of what most Muslims believe- they need to be more vocal about that - it's hardly as if it has nothing to do with them is it?

[Stu]

Sure they could be more vocal about it but the idea that they don't really mean it just because they don't speak up enough to your standards is, quiet frankly, laughable.

[WOMBAI]

Sure they could be more vocal about it but the idea that they don't really mean it just because they don't speak up enough to your standards is, quiet frankly, laughable.

People are not mind readers! If they don't speak up - people will think it is because they support them! Their problem!

[Stu]

Only if you assume the worst in people. Your problem.

[WOMBAI]

Only if you assume the worst in people. Your problem.

No. If they don't speak up - then they can't complain if people are distrustful of them! If they are falsely accused - it is their problem!

[Stu]

Depends on the person. They need not fear me being distrustful of them, for one. I don't assume every Muslim is a ****ing extremist just because they have not spoke up about extremism. Not that paranoid, I'm afriad.

[WOMBAI]

Bully for you! They can't whinge then can they!

[Stu]

No, no they can't :rolleyes:.

Thank god I'm so tolerant, I guess.

[InOne]

This made me LOL - Must be the best offer he has ever had.

Dear Anjem,

We have for some time been monitoring statements by your good self re: our troops in Afghanistan etc. Your latest statement about plans to march on a little Wooton Bassett, where our war dead are honoured, is possibly your most heinous idea yet. You mention how hundreds of thousands of innocent Afghani muslims are being 'murdered' by our troops, yet never mention just how many innocent muslims are being killed by the Taliban or by suicide bombers in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

It is a plain, undeniable fact that suicide bombers will never reach paradise, according to your own Holy book.. they will burn in hellfire. Yet you rejoice in this. You obviously despise this Country, you despise our ways, our religious beliefs and our tolerant culture. This is, of course your democratic right. This is Britain, you are entitled to your opinion no matter how disgusted the majority of Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews etc may be by you.

As a token, an olive branch if you like. We offer to pay all your expenses should you choose to relocate to a country (such as Saudi Arabia) that practices Sharia law. Britain isn't for you, you dont like it here, our western culture disgusts you. A move to Saudi would also raise your standing in the Muslim world, currently there are millions of muslims in Britain who are repulsed by you. There are many people in Britain who believe you denounce Britain and all things British yet are happy to live under its democratic social security comfort blanket, you appear to be a hypocrite to many. By moving to Saudi Arabia you will be proving just how genuine you are about Sharia law.

The Koran also states that Muslims should live in peace in a foreign land and respect its customs and cultures (as the vast majority of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus etc do) but if a muslim is not happy to do this he/she should seek to move to a "muslim" Country.

We will be willing to fund your move, and of any other members of your group who are sick of Britain. The only stipulation we would make is that you give up your British passport and your British Citizenship. This shouldn't be any real problem for you as surely every day spent living here must be awful for you. We believe in a multi-cultural society, so long as English culture is always first and foremost. Many of our members are from ethnic backgrounds. Most Muslims in this country believe in Britain, in its values, in its freedoms and in its tolerant attitudes. You do not. That is your Democratic right. But you do not want democratic rights, do you?? Surely taking money from the Social Welfare system of an evil system should be abhorrent to you.

This is a genuine offer Andy, should you choose to leave, and to escape the evils of drink and debauchery that we believe you once craved. We will fund the move. Take this opportunity to finally prove your allegiance to the Sharia.. go live the dream.. We would of course appreciate you stating your reasons should you decide NOT to take up this kind offer.

Regards,

English Defence League

[Stu]

Fantastic!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Not in public though, why don't they get big ralleys againt it like that did for some silly drawings?

Because most people muslims and non muslims alike see them for what they are a minority of wackos and they dont get their knickers in a twist thinking they have any power or influence over jack all! "they" there you go again!

The light just wont go on...Roger OVER and OUT

the article you put up speaks some sense and has some balance unlike your good self

There are religious idiots all over the world, in fact there are idiots all over the world but most people of all cultures, religious denominations and groups have got some sense and reason and just want to live in peace! FACT

http://wallscometumblingdown.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/spot-the-difference-islam4uk-the-westboro-baptist-church/

[NettoSuperstar!]

Maybe the non extreme Muslims should come out against this parade. Too often they complain about being misrepresented by the extremists. Now is the time for decent Muslims to stand against such a vile act. Sometimes silence says an awful lot more.

http://www.daily.pk/bmsd-plan-counter-march-against-islam4uk-14172/

http://www.reconciliationtalk.com/2010/01/widespread-muslim-denunciation-of-wootton-bassett-plans.html

"There are growing numbers of Muslim groups and individuals are denouncing the plans by extremist Anjem Choudary. Its a shame that its not getting the press it deserves..."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/05/a-publicity-stunt-with-no-support-115875-21943123/

"We're planning to hold a counterdemo to show that ordinary Muslims are opposed to Islam4UK's values."



http://www.hmforces.co.uk/news/artic...-army-families

http://www.wiltshire-icc.org/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/06/muslim-dad-who-runs-a-restaurant-in-wooton-bassett-on-why-he-opposes-islamic-fanatic-s-march-115875-21945639/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240854/Muslim-mourners-pay-tribute-soldiers-Wootton-Bassett-officer-says-hate-preacher-DOES-right-march.html


http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=385424445082


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/104269/Muslim-fury-at-anti-troops-protest-mob


http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-853

errrr hellooo anyone in, are you there Ted?...just cos you dont read it in The Sun or The Daily hate Mail and just because theyre not moronic enough to cause a riot over it doesnt mean its not happening

[InOne]

Because most people muslims and non muslims alike see them for what they are a minority of wackos and they dont get their knickers in a twist thinking they have any power or influence over jack all! "they" there you go again!

The light just wont go on...Roger OVER and OUT

the article you put up speaks some sense and has some balance unlike your good self

There are religious idiots all over the world, in fact there are idiots all over the world but most people of all cultures, religious denominations and groups have got some sense and reason and just want to live in peace! FACT

http://wallscometumblingdown.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/spot-the-difference-islam4uk-the-westboro-baptist-church/

It's all well and good calling them wackos and a minority or whatever, but when fly planes into towers and blow themselves up on buses it's a little different. You seem to make the assumption these are stupid babbling idiots, when really they are pretty intelligent and well organised. What is it there are like 1 billion muslims in the world and rising? So yeah, a minority could be pretty damaging.

[NettoSuperstar!]

It's all well and good calling them wackos and a minority or whatever, but when fly planes into towers and blow themselves up on buses it's a little different. You seem to make the assumption these are stupid babbling idiots, when really they are pretty intelligent and well organised. What is it there are like 1 billion muslims in the world and rising? So yeah, a minority could be pretty damaging.

listen very carefully I shall say zis only once! The law of the land deal wiv it not the mob law OK Long Live Democracy thankyou please

[InOne]

listen very carefully I shall say zis only once! The law of the land deal wiv it not the mob law OK Long Live Democracy thankyou please

How have they dealt with it so far?

[NettoSuperstar!]

How have they dealt with it so far?

You say it like its a simple matter to solve lol...by going to Afghanistan, intelligence gathering which has resulted in thwarting a number of terrorist attacks. But nutters marching on the streets is just that, nutters marching on the street. What do you suggest? riots? petrol bombs? Mob rule? inciting a race war?

[InOne]

You say it like its a simple matter to solve lol...by going to Afghanistan, intelligence gathering which has resulted in thwarting a number of terrorist attacks. But nutters marching on the streets is just that, nutters marching on the street. What do you suggest? riots? petrol bombs? Mob rule? inciting a race war?

I meant that they are not just nutters marching on the street lol That they are intellient and not just thugs, not that we should go marching on the street lol

[Stu]

I reckon you should organise a march yourself InOne. Muslim or not. This seems like something close to your heart. If those evil Muslims won't march - set the example!

[InOne]

I reckon you should organise a march yourself InOne. Muslim or not. This seems like something close to your heart. If those evil Muslims won't march - set the example!

Netto missed my point...

[InOne]

Anyway Stu, why you even bothered? It's not your country and they're not your Soldiers?

[NettoSuperstar!]

http://www.daily.pk/bmsd-plan-counter-march-against-islam4uk-14172/

http://www.reconciliationtalk.com/2010/01/widespread-muslim-denunciation-of-wootton-bassett-plans.html

"There are growing numbers of Muslim groups and individuals are denouncing the plans by extremist Anjem Choudary. Its a shame that its not getting the press it deserves..."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/05/a-publicity-stunt-with-no-support-115875-21943123/

"We're planning to hold a counterdemo to show that ordinary Muslims are opposed to Islam4UK's values."



http://www.hmforces.co.uk/news/artic...-army-families

http://www.wiltshire-icc.org/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/06/muslim-dad-who-runs-a-restaurant-in-wooton-bassett-on-why-he-opposes-islamic-fanatic-s-march-115875-21945639/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240854/Muslim-mourners-pay-tribute-soldiers-Wootton-Bassett-officer-says-hate-preacher-DOES-right-march.html


http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=385424445082


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/104269/Muslim-fury-at-anti-troops-protest-mob


http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-853

errrr hellooo anyone in, are you there Ted?...just cos you dont read it in The Sun or The Daily hate Mail and just because theyre not moronic enough to cause a riot over it doesnt mean its not happening

repeat

[InOne]

What do you think of the actual match netto? What are your views on it?

[NettoSuperstar!]

I think theyre a bunch of twats who are trying to stir up trouble...join this group if you like, I have

MUSLIMS AND NON-MUSLIMS AGAINST ISLAM4UK MARCH THROUGH WOOTTON BASSETT

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profile&id=1270171068#/group.php?gid=385424445082&ref=mf

[InOne]

Think i'm already in it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Think i'm already in it.

What the one where muslims and non muslims are united?... or the one full of racists telling them all to "eff off home and lets put some muslims in coffins see how they like it rah rah rah"

[InOne]

What the one where muslims and non muslims are united?... or the one full of racists telling them all to "eff off home and lets put some muslims in coffins see how they like it rah rah rah"

No, the one where they arrange to meet in the pub and go out looking for a muslim to kill...

[NettoSuperstar!]

Aye thats the one I mean I saw some lads actually threaten to go down in a car load and cause some trouble

[InOne]

Yeah, it gives me kicks stamping on a muslim head till he dies, i'm sick like that you see...


Do you think there is something wrong with me?

[NettoSuperstar!]

oh go away

[InOne]

You start getting sarcastic with me i'll get sarcastic back, silly woman.

[WOMBAI]

listen very carefully I shall say zis only once! The law of the land deal wiv it not the mob law OK Long Live Democracy thankyou please

That makes sense! Not!

[InOne]

Sense is not something she is too familiar with.

[setanta]

Well Islamic democracy is a very interesting and controversial subject so yeah, it's funny that Netto brought it up.

[InOne]

Well Islamic democracy is a very interesting and controversial subject so yeah, it's funny that Netto brought it up.

Nice oxymoron you used there James ;)

[WOMBAI]

Because most people muslims and non muslims alike see them for what they are a minority of wackos and they dont get their knickers in a twist thinking they have any power or influence over jack all! "they" there you go again!

The light just wont go on...Roger OVER and OUT

the article you put up speaks some sense and has some balance unlike your good self

There are religious idiots all over the world, in fact there are idiots all over the world but most people of all cultures, religious denominations and groups have got some sense and reason and just want to live in peace! FACT

http://wallscometumblingdown.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/spot-the-difference-islam4uk-the-westboro-baptist-church/

I think the fact that you call all the extremists who have committed so many atrocities (ie 9/11, 7/7 to name a few) and killed so many innocent people, including their own, not to mention all the soldiers they have murdered - 'a few wackos' - make you appear a bit 'wacko' to me! Talk about being dismissive about the actual facts! Terrorism is a hugh, worldwide problem - hardly a few wackos. Frankly, I think the way you attempt to dismiss the significance/importance of the terror they create and the numbers involved as rather offensive. You may be able to kid yourself, but not the rest of us!

[InOne]

Seems people like to be too PC and defend Muslims for the sake of it.

[WOMBAI]

What the one where muslims and non muslims are united?... or the one full of racists telling them all to "eff off home and lets put some muslims in coffins see how they like it rah rah rah"

You still don't seem to understand that Muslim is not a race! Maybe learning the basics - might help you put forth a decent argument!

[InOne]

Interesting debate on talksport


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[Novo]

The English defence League is getting Massive

No Suprise really

[Stu]

Seems people like to be too PC and defend Muslims for the sake of it.
Jesus ****ing christ, how is it being PC to merely ancknowledge the fact that not all Muslims are deranged carpet bombers?

Has the world gone mad?

[InOne]

Jesus ****ing christ, how is it being PC to merely ancknowledge the fact that not all Muslims are deranged carpet bombers?

Has the world gone mad?

The world has always been mad lol

[Stu]

Point taken hehe.

Completely off topic, that reminds me of how much I hate people getting in a fuss about today's youth, or the internet, or whatever else is making 2010 so ****. The world has always had it's bad points, they just change from time to time. I hate this idea that society is in the toilet now like it never was before.

[InOne]

It's a shame Humans have not evolved so there is no need for violence, the primitave being still lingers in all of us.

[InOne]

The English defence League is getting Massive

No Suprise really

I'm suprised it didn't happen sooner really. Did you listen to it? Got a bit irate at the end didn't he lol

[Stu]

Actually I think we base evolution too much on looks. Evolution is all around us. I genuinly think some people are more evolved than others. People see this as controversial but I am sick of pretending that the world is fair and that we are all lovely little beings of equal intelligence. We are a virus with shoes.

Some of us have evolved long beyond the need for violence. Some of us have evolved long beyond the need for religion :).

[setanta]

Actually I think we base evolution too much on looks. Evolution is all around us. I genuinly think some people are more evolved than others. People see this as controversial but I am sick of pretending that the world is fair and that we are all lovely little beings of equal intelligence. We are a virus with shoes.

Some of us have evolved long beyond the need for violence. Some of us have evolved long beyond the need for religion :).

Virus with shoes. Loving it. Very true too.

[WOMBAI]

Interesting debate on talksport


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Another angry Muslim! Why do they always feel the need to 'shout' their views all the time!

[Stu]

This is seriously bringing the lolz hard.

[lily.]

Virus with shoes... haha..

The late Mr Hicks.. ;)

[InOne]

Another angry Muslim! Why do they always feel the need to 'shout' their views all the time!

Because when they get asked the hard questions they can't handle it, notice how he got more extreme towards the end?

[WOMBAI]

Because when they get asked the hard questions they can't handle it, notice how he got more extreme towards the end?

And he claimed to be speaking for the moderate Muslims! No wonder they get involved in so many conflicts!

[atieah2009]

Thought i would post this video, watch it in full: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNVUB_79ucE&feature=player_embedded#

[InOne]

Thought i would post this video, watch it in full: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNVUB_79ucE&feature=player_embedded#

Shame you never see that in the UK lol

[Lemo]

This is a christian country


dont like it

get the **** out.

[InOne]

Yep, the ones that hate our goverment, hate the west, hate English laws, yes insist on living here

[arista]

Yep, the ones that hate our goverment, hate the west, hate English laws, yes insist on living here


And many of them get paid by us the UK Tax Payers.

[InOne]

And many of them get paid by us the UK Tax Payers.

But question anything they do and you're a racist, question Islam and you're attacking the whole middle east, every brother and sister around the world

[NettoSuperstar!]

Seems people like to be too PC and defend Muslims for the sake of it.

Im not defending extremists thats why Ive joined this group to oppose the march http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=385424445082&ref=mf (although I know you wouldnt want to join this one because its muslims and non muslims opposing together) and I know that does not compute with you, most muslims are not extremists and are just as pissed off about it as the rest of us...you continually want to suggest "they" are all the same!

[NettoSuperstar!]

I think the fact that you call all the extremists who have committed so many atrocities (ie 9/11, 7/7 to name a few) and killed so many innocent people, including their own, not to mention all the soldiers they have murdered - 'a few wackos' - make you appear a bit 'wacko' to me! Talk about being dismissive about the actual facts! Terrorism is a hugh, worldwide problem - hardly a few wackos. Frankly, I think the way you attempt to dismiss the significance/importance of the terror they create and the numbers involved as rather offensive. You may be able to kid yourself, but not the rest of us!

Im talking about the twats marching ...as I pointed out, the law of the land fight terrorism not the EDL or the like...and most muslims despise the likes of Islam4UK as much as anyone else and I have provided plenty of evidence to suggest that (even though its just blatantly obvious to most people), you continually want to lump them all in together and refuse to believe that "they" arent all the same...whos lost all sense and rational perspective here???

[InOne]

Im not defending extremists thats why Ive joined this group to oppose the march http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=385424445082&ref=mf (although I know you wouldnt want to join this one because its muslims and non muslims opposing together) and I know that does not compute with you, most muslims are not extremists and are just as pissed off about it as the rest of us...you continually want to suggest "they" are all the same!

See you can't have a debate with putting in silly sarcastic remarks can you?? Pathetic really.

[WOMBAI]

Im talking about the twats marching ...as I pointed out, the law of the land fight terrorism not the EDL or the like...and most muslims despise the likes of Islam4UK as much as anyone else and I have provided plenty of evidence to suggest that (even though its just blatantly obvious to most people), you continually want to lump them all in together and refuse to believe that "they" arent all the same...whos lost all sense and rational perspective here???

I'm not saying that all Muslims support extremists, not at all, what I am saying is that there are a lot more do than you are prepared to admit, probably to yourself, nevermind to us.

And for those that genuinely don't - I do strongly believe they should stand up to them. They are much more able to do so here, than in Muslim countries. They as a group should regularly publicly denounce them and their actions. They should refuse to have anything to do with them - and families should disown family members involved. They need to take a stronger stance and voice their disapproval, to them and to us. They are of the same faith - and much more likely to get through to them than us! And if reason doesn't work - completely disown them.

[NettoSuperstar!]

See you can't have a debate with putting in silly sarcastic remarks can you?? Pathetic really.

Join the group then if you really want to do something about it, listen to some of the ordinary muslims on there

[lily.]

http://www.kentnews.co.uk/kent-news/Mum_s-death-threats-over-Wootton-Bassett-campaign-newsinkent31599.aspx?news=local

Appalling.

[InOne]

Yet not suprising. Don't get your own way?? Why don't you start a riot, or issue a fatwah, or send death threads, you know, the typical peaceful Islamic way.

[lily.]

If this **** goes down, there's guna be riots..

[InOne]

Whats the current stand on it? How likely is it to happen?

[lily.]

Not sure at the moment. Some sources are saying they'll be banned from doing it, while others are saying they can't be banned...

[InOne]

I don't think think they can technically banned really, which is bad, they just don't seem to give a ****

[lily.]

God, you should read the shite from his website.. it's unbelievable.

http://www.islam4uk.com/


Note: They've taken all the other pages offline. Only the page with the 'official statement' is still around.

[lily.]

The problem is.. if the powers that be don't ban this march, and it goes ahead, and there's a riot.. who's to blame?

[InOne]

Well they seem to stereotype anyone who questions Islam as a violent, working-class, stupid pisshead. That is why, and they won't get the blaim will they?? I have to talked to Americans and they laugh at us, cos we get pushed around and groups like 'Islam4UK' are allowed to exist. Why would you hate the EDL? They are the only ones doing anything about it, and ****ing middle class students who stalk them and give them back press, and they don't have ****ing clue what they're talking about. They don't live it, they don't see it, just sit in their nice comfy homes passing judgement.

[lily.]

If you speak out against Islam you get branded a racist. If Muslims speak out against everyone else, that's ok though.

[InOne]

If it happens, i'm liking the EDL's reaction.


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[lily.]

Interesting video :thumbs:

[InOne]

I thought he made a good point when saying when the IRA were active, nobody would have let them stand in the middle of a square preaching.

[lily.]

Yeah, I liked that point. He comes across well to be fair. He doesn't come over like some of the BNP twats.

[InOne]

He tells it how it is basically, when people are afraid to say.

[lily.]

It's hardly surprising people are afraid to say.. look what's happening to the woman who organised the fb campaign..

[InOne]

Yep it's true actually, he is paraded round like some sort of god, and like he not, not met with angry muslims, but with handshakes. I'm sick of all this 'moderate' muslim bollocks

Some people on here act as if it's like 20 Muslims or something who are extremist. I reckon the youth are getting more and more drawn to it. they are angry, don't know where they belong. And so far it's been quite intelligent ones that have done it, wait until they find the less intelligent more violent, they also pray on young muslims in prisons and especially at unis.

[lily.]

There has always been 3 types of people in this country.

1. People who stand up against this kind of thing.
2. People who allow this kind of thing.
3. (The majority) - People who just go about their business and don't bother with any of it.

Unfortunately, the longer extremists are allowed to shove their views into our faces, the more likely the people in group #3 are to go to group #1.

That's when the problems will really start.

[WOMBAI]

There has always been 3 types of people in this country.

1. People who stand up against this kind of thing.
2. People who allow this kind of thing.
3. (The majority) - People who just go about their business and don't bother with any of it.

Unfortunately, the longer extremists are allowed to shove their views into our faces, the more likely the people in group #3 are to go to group #1.

That's when the problems will really start.


:thumbs: Very true!

[InOne]

Yep, pretty much so, it's not even a conspiracy, or a theory, or hate, it's actually happening.

It's getting beyond a joke.

[NettoSuperstar!]

If you speak out against Islam you get branded a racist. If Muslims speak out against everyone else, that's ok though.

No not quite, if you suggest that all or most muslims think the same way as Islam4UK then thats a very bigoted view of things...http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=385424445082&ref=mf

The muslims you are talking about are a small minority!

The muslim secular society has **** loads more members than Islam4UK and the like...how can that be??...they all oppose democracy and want to enforce Sharia law on us! helllllpp the world isnt black and white!! my head is going to explode!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yet not suprising. Don't get your own way?? Why don't you start a riot, or issue a fatwah, or send death threads, you know, the typical peaceful Islamic way.

Yeh that group are not typical!!! how long does it take to see sense!...and the march has been called off due to public outcry including a strong muslim opposition...but the dickheads had too much exposure out of this already...he should be treated just like Nick Griffin and not given the time of day!

[arista]

That Stupid Islamic Ponce
has now said it was a good PR move.


They are Not going to go there.

So Mrs.Netto
no more fighting InOne.

[lily.]

Yeh that group are not typical!!! how long does it take to see sense!...and the march has been called off due to public outcry including a strong muslim opposition...but the dickheads had too much exposure out of this already...he should be treated just like Nick Griffin and not given the time of day!

He should be arrested frankly. He was inciting racial hatred, and that's a crime.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Such a *****in sorry state of affairs. It's a pity that their pussy's don't stay sewn shut.

[InOne]

Yeh that group are not typical!!! how long does it take to see sense!...and the march has been called off due to public outcry including a strong muslim opposition...but the dickheads had too much exposure out of this already...he should be treated just like Nick Griffin and not given the time of day!

The media loves people like that though, it will always be a problem.

[Wildcat!]

Yeh that group are not typical!!! how long does it take to see sense!...and the march has been called off due to public outcry including a strong muslim opposition...but the dickheads had too much exposure out of this already...he should be treated just like Nick Griffin and not given the time of day!


I dont understand why you dont give up, trying to convince 2 people who are what they are. Just like those extremists are a minority, the ignorant, not so bright, "lets put them all in one cathegory", type, are also a minority. Just let them be. :)
They dont bother me, as a muslim, dont let it bother you, as a non muslim.

[lily.]

Which 2 people?

[Wildcat!]

Which 2 people?


Oh its not you, but if you read the thread, its pretty apparent. :)

[lily.]

Just checking. ;)

[InOne]

I dont understand why you dont give up, trying to convince 2 people who are what they are. Just like those extremists are a minority, the ignorant, not so bright, "lets put them all in one cathegory", type, are also a minority. Just let them be. :)
They dont bother me, as a muslim, dont let it bother you, as a non muslim.

You jump into threads and know nothing. Typical, you're not even a practicing muslim are you? When people ask you the hard questions you call them racist or stupid, you can't face upto facts.

[Wildcat!]

Just checking. ;)

LOL! NO worries. You were about to open up a can of whoop ass on me. :)
No I just feel bad for Netto, because I know she is trying hard by putting in extra infos and stuff, not knowing that its not gonna accomplish anything here.

[lily.]

I could still open up a can of whoopass if that's what you are into.. ;)

[NettoSuperstar!]

I dont understand why you dont give up, trying to convince 2 people who are what they are. Just like those extremists are a minority, the ignorant, not so bright, "lets put them all in one cathegory", type, are also a minority. Just let them be. :)
They dont bother me, as a muslim, dont let it bother you, as a non muslim.

Yeh Ive officially given up, they have the chance to join with ordinary muslims and REALLY do something to challenge extremism but then whos gonna be the scapegoat for their failings!?...btw Wildcat that facebook group is a cool group and growing by the minute, join up its great to see all cultures united against the hate from all sides!

[arista]

Back on Topic

Those Crazy Muslims who want to go there
Are Banned.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Wootton-Bassett-Government-To-Ban-Radical-Islamist-Group-Al-Muhajiroun-And-Others/Article/201001215519644?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15519644_Wootton_Bassett%3A_Government _To_Ban_Radical_Islamist_Group_Al_Muhajiroun_And_O thers

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Jan/Week1/15514762.jpg

Banned and go to Prison if you are a member
of these Crazy Muslim groups.



InOne will have a Boogie Morning.

[arista]

LOL! NO worries. You were about to open up a can of whoop ass on me. :)
No I just feel bad for Netto, because I know she is trying hard by putting in extra infos and stuff, not knowing that its not gonna accomplish anything here.



Wild Cat what a Dude.

Rude to Adimn.


Feels Sorry for Mrs.Netto



Life In The City.

[InOne]

Back on Topic

Those Crazy Muslims who want to go there
Are Banned.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Wootton-Bassett-Government-To-Ban-Radical-Islamist-Group-Al-Muhajiroun-And-Others/Article/201001215519644?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15519644_Wootton_Bassett%3A_Government _To_Ban_Radical_Islamist_Group_Al_Muhajiroun_And_O thers

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Jan/Week1/15514762.jpg

Banned and go to Prison if you are a member
of these Crazy Muslim groups.



InOne will have a Boogie Morning.

It was never going to happen anyway really.

[WOMBAI]

Oh its not you, but if you read the thread, its pretty apparent. :)

Edit Always convinced you know it all! But you don't. Anyone who disagrees with you about Muslims, of which you are one by your own admittance - is stupid and ignorant. Couldn't be a bit biased there could you?

[InOne]

They are just narrow minded really. Pathetic.

[Wildcat!]

Edit Always convinced you know it all! But you don't. Anyone who disagrees with you about Muslims, of which you are one by your own admittance - is stupid and ignorant. Couldn't be a bit biased there could you?


Are you kidding me James? Errrm she said, "you are one pompous twit". So you were basically talking non sense last night! All that BS was just words.
Thanks for proving my point though. CArry on.

[James]

Context is everything. I thought you were spoiling for a fight, with your '2 people who are what they are' remark.

Anyway, carry on...

[Wildcat!]

Context is everything. I thought you were spoiling for a fight, with your '2 people who are what they are' remark.

Anyway, carry on...


Bull shiit! Just like I thought!
YOu said what you said last night, didnt involve any context, and here we are.
SO evrything you said, basically was a bunch of crapp, and you know it! As long as its understood, that you pick and choose, at least its clear.

lt me refer you to your post to refresh your memory, unless you want to edit that one too!!

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127303&page=3

[kcmik]

It's not racist, just any Muslims who think they can do what they like in the UK should go to a Muslim country. Can't say any fairer than that.

I agree. In their countries, the fake muslims(terrorists) they don't have freedom of speech. Who or why the hell do they think they can do it here??????

[ange7]

Joe, this post of yours sums up how I feel about the likes of these *****s...

They can not

As Under the 1986 Law
Those Muslim Freaks should have asked formal permission
16 Days before


Case Closed.
they never planned to march, it was designed to get as much press as possible and feed racism. If it wasn't for rednecks treating the Muslim community like terrorists then this Islam4UK lot would be out of a job. They LIKE that white UK HATE Muslims because that will up the recruitment. In the advertising industry it's called "creating a demand". Don't fall into their trap by letting them bait you.

[ange7]

Would you rahther it be a Church of England country or a Mosque of Allah country? The video loses no credibility.

mahahahahaha!
they're both equally a mystery to you mate. Who takes you seriously?
You try to use Christianity to legitimate your hate filled life.... lol the same way idiot Muslim extremist try justifying their hate by hiding it behind the Muslim Faith. InOne, You have more in common with these extremist then you do with modern secular Britain... probably why you keep moaning about how rubbish society is. It's passed you by champ.

[ange7]

Not the same as Islam though. There is no such thing as a funamentalist Muslim as they all believe the quran to be 100% literal, and that is what we class as a fundie. Just some choose to act out on it, some don't.
Rubbish.
Racist want moderate UK to lump all Muslims together. InOne doesn't want to know about modern open minded moderate Muslims ( THE MAJORITY) ... he wants us to think all Muslims are terrorist but only some "choose to act out on it, some don't". What are the BNP doing here on Tibb?... InOne and that Leather dude need get a life instead of starting every thread with the "Muslims". LOL!:joker:

[andyman]

Mr ange7, defender of the left and the Byzantine church.. How can I post my anti-muslim posts now with you around.. :nono:

How you being doing bud?

[ange7]

Only difference is Islam promotes violence and hate lol
dude??!! you good value... read the bible lately?. It allows you to kill your children if they talk back to you. If your wife isn't putting out you can murder her and GET ANOTHER ONE!! lol. It's not meant to be read literally and nor in the quaran. Moslem have for hundredes of years opensly debated the meaning and lessons of their book... they DO NOT think it's meant to be read literally.

Mate why do you preach bible stuff when you try convincing us that Muslims are EVIL given that you've clearly never opened the good book in your life.

[ange7]

Mr ange7, defender of the left and the Byzantine church.. How can I post my anti-muslim posts now with you around.. :nono:

How you being doing bud?
lol hi andyman ... :P... busy at work since bb10 but now the cbb is on I'm going to get stuck back in. Missed all the convos are arguments so got some catching up to do. How's you brotherhood going (lol!!)

[andyman]

lol.. You've got plenty of threads to go through that should tickle your fancy.

[andyman]

Hey the Brotherhood is the biggest thread in TiBB.. And we welcome all asians. :) ... Well the thread is split in two, one is locked to keep the the forum working ok during CBB. Happy days.

[ange7]

isn't the brotherhoods "vision statement" all about personally serving andyman. Do they still do your bidding? hehe

[andyman]

Independent knights.. Don't worry ange there is a seat left for you at the round table. :p

You and LT should have a blast, but his posts can be abstract at times..

[Angus]

Try organising an Anti-Islamic march in Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or any other Middle East country and see how far you'd get, it probably carries the death penalty! Funny how some "refugees" cross several continents and bypass many countries in order to get to the UK, claim asylum, for themselves and their wives and children, and then proceed to criticise our way of life, and do all they can to cause racial and religious hatred.

The law abiding Muslims in this country need to do more to show their opposition and distaste of the actions of a minority of extremists who are intent on causing offence, hatred and actual harm to society in a country they have CHOSEN to come to, they were not dragged here kicking and screaming and they are free to leave if they don't like our way of life.

Instead of allowing such extremists to cynically use our legal system to prolong their stay here to cause mischief it should he one strike and they're out of the country for good, together with their families who should not be allowed to stay and be supported by the British taxpayers.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Charlie Brooker Newswipe- hilarious!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4mnUAWmROE


All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t!

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/


Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/


This is what happend when you whip everyone into an irrational frenzy about muslims: Media and politicians 'fuel rise in hate crimes against Muslims'

"The report provides prima facie and empirical evidence to demonstrate that assailants of Muslims are invariably motivated by a negative view of Muslims they have acquired from either mainstream or extremist nationalist reports or commentaries in the media," it says.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/28/hate-crimes-muslims-media-politicians

[InOne]

That is the bad thing really, even if it is a 'minority' they still do alot of damage.

[NettoSuperstar!]

That is the bad thing really, even if it is a 'minority' they still do alot of damage.

Yes they do damage,the world is full of people who do damage, its the demonizing and fear mongering against a whole group of people based on what a minority do that Im against

[InOne]

Yes they do damage,the world is full of people who do damage, its the demonizing and fear mongering against a whole group of people based on what a minority do that Im against

I don't fear them. And I know that of course, I know alot of Muslims, i've even been to the Islamic writers awards.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I don't fear them. And I know that of course, I know alot of Muslims, i've even been to the Islamic writers awards.

So why do you say things like theres no such thing as a moderate muslim? etc

[InOne]

So why do you say things like theres no such thing as a moderate muslim? etc

I didn't say that, and if I said something in that context, it was probably the ones who pretend to be Muslims, the ones i've come across. And my age group, that is alot more than you'd think. Even the girls really, the 4th generation ones who go to uni and that, are as English as they come. It's good there is as not as much religious hold anymore. Then again, the males run wild, obviously not all, but quite a few...

[NettoSuperstar!]

I didn't say that, and if I said something in that context, it was probably the ones who pretend to be Muslims, the ones i've come across. And my age group, that is alot more than you'd think. Even the girls really, the 4th generation ones who go to uni and that, are as English as they come. It's good there is as not as much religious hold anymore. Then again, the males run wild, obviously not all, but quite a few...

You've said it a few times and often imply that most muslims secretly agree with choudary and co but dont want to say it...and you call Islam an intolerant and hate filled religion etc...it really isnt...some interpretations might seem that way but the same can be said of any religion and all can be interpreted in anyway that suits. Also you've said you think that extremist Islamists have the power to take over and impose their will on the rest of us in the future...thats ridiculous...and finally I wish you'd stop saying "they" all the time like theyre a group distinct and unique from the rest of society, they are just the same as anyone else having differing and multiple cultural influences.

[InOne]

You've said it a few times and often imply that most muslims secretly agree with choudary and co but dont want to say it...and you call Islam an intolerant and hate filled religion etc...it really isnt...some interpretations might seem that way but the same can be said of any religion and all can be interpreted in anyway that suits. Also you've said you think that extremist Islamists have the power to take over and impose their will on the rest of us in the future...thats ridiculous...and finally I wish you'd stop saying "they" all the time like theyre a group distinct and unique from the rest of society, they are just the same as anyone else having differing and multiple cultural influences.

Maybe you could be reading into what I type a bit too much sometimes. But all I mean is, I have a problem with all religions, including Islam, and all i'm saying is I believe Islam to be the worst as in, just ridiculous out of the monotheistic ones. It's not about the people, it's not about the culture, it's about the religion. You seem to be one of those who seems to think religion deserves respect, it really does not. Obviously Muslims won't take over the UK, and I know alot don't agree with Islam4UK, they just want to get on with it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Maybe you could be reading into what I type a bit too much sometimes. But all I mean is, I have a problem with all religions, including Islam, and all i'm saying is I believe Islam to be the worst as in, just ridiculous out of the monotheistic ones. It's not about the people, it's not about the culture, it's about the religion. You seem to be one of those who seems to think religion deserves respect, it really does not. Obviously Muslims won't take over the UK, and I know alot don't agree with Islam4UK, they just want to get on with it.

Well some of your comments suggest otherwise but if your not saying those things then I'll take what your telling me now at face value. I say people deserve respect whatever their religious views not the religion itself. All religions if interpreted from a place of love can have a positive impact on peoples lives and help us to live in peace and benefit humanity...theres also the flip side, they can be interpreted from a place of hate and do considerable damage. Its people who do the damage not the religion. Spread the love not the hate.

[InOne]

Well some of your comments suggest otherwise but if your not saying those things then I'll take what your telling me now at face value. I say people deserve respect whatever their religious views not the religion itself. All religions if interpreted from a place of love can have a positive impact on peoples lives and help us to live in peace and benefit humanity...theres also the flip side, they can be interpreted from a place of hate and do considerable damage. Its people who do the damage not the religion. Spread the love not the hate.

Indeed, I do spread the love. I just don't need to pretend there is something watching over me spreading it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Indeed, I do spread the love. I just don't need to pretend there is something watching over me spreading it.

God is love Inone! :hugesmile:

[InOne]

God is love Inone! :hugesmile:

Which one? ;)

[arista]

There Is No God at all
Utter Fact.

[karezza]

Did you hear about the Muslim strip club?
It features full facial nudity!

:shocked:

[Dr.Gonzo]

Lol, the hussies!

[WOMBAI]

Did you hear about the Muslim strip club?
It features full facial nudity!

:shocked:

Good one!:joker:

[ange7]

Maybe you could be reading into what I type a bit too much sometimes. But all I mean is, I have a problem with all religions, including Islam, and all i'm saying is I believe Islam to be the worst as in, just ridiculous out of the monotheistic ones. It's not about the people, it's not about the culture, it's about the religion. You seem to be one of those who seems to think religion deserves respect, it really does not. Obviously Muslims won't take over the UK, and I know alot don't agree with Islam4UK, they just want to get on with it.
people deserve respect and you seem to rubbish thousands of people you've never met with poorly thought generalization. You always come across as a bit Arista-y. :P

[ange7]

Good one!:joker:
twas sh*t

[Stu]

Did you hear about the Muslim strip club?
It features full facial nudity!

:shocked:
...lol?

[InOne]

people deserve respect and you seem to rubbish thousands of people you've never met with poorly thought generalization. You always come across as a bit Arista-y. :P

Ah well lol I put my points across perfectly well and even though disagreed, have not really been refuted

[ange7]

Ah well lol I put my points across perfectly well and even though disagreed, have not really been refuted
oh really? lol nor has arista and that ostrich with it's head in the sand.
netto
"So why do you say things like theres no such thing as a moderate muslim? etc"
inOne
"I didn't say that"

yeah you did :P. and worse... you went on to say that Islam was a plague on the UK.
That doesn't sound like your talking about extremists but, as Netto said, about all Muslims. ( Arista-y) Have you been "refuted" yet?... or do YOU choose when that's happened :P

ps ego's a biatch

[InOne]

oh really? lol nor has arista and that ostrich with it's head in the sand.
netto
"So why do you say things like theres no such thing as a moderate muslim? etc"
inOne
"I didn't say that"

yeah you did :P. and worse... you went on to say that Islam was a plague on the UK.
That doesn't sound like your talking about extremists but, as Netto said, about all Muslims. ( Arista-y) Have you been "refuted" yet?... or do YOU choose when that's happened :P

ps ego's a biatch


They are opinions though, and opinions can't be refuted.

[NettoSuperstar!]

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

loonwatch hehe love it