Daily Mail say the CBB7 launch ratings were RUBBISH!

[Gavin]

HUGE HEADLINE IN THE DAILY MAIL:

Celebrity Big Brother launch night beaten in the ratings by (wait for it)... The Antiques Roadshow
It was billed as the most explosive Celebrity Big Brother series ever.
But the live launch of the show's much-hyped final series was trumped by Fiona Bruce and her colleagues on the gentle Antiques Roadshow, it has emerged.

The Channel 4 programme managed an average of 5.8million viewers - 300,000 fewer than BBC1's flagship Sunday night show, despite the relatively unremarkable items being featured.

Big Brother executives had hoped there would be controversy and arguments caused by putting in two men who are most famous for dating model Jordan. The pair, supposedly, had come to blows on New Year's Eve at a party at her Surrey house.

But, unfortunately for desperate TV bosses, both men - former teen pop star Dane Bowers and cross-dressing cage fighter Alex Reid - promptly denied they had fought at all, saying Mr Bowers had been attacked by two unknown men while waiting for a taxi.

And to prove the point, the pair - who had been the subjects of downmarket newspapers for days - were even filmed in the house hugging each other.

Speaking in the diary room, Mr Bowers, who was sporting a bruise on his forehead that had been covered with make-up, dismissed the alleged incident.
He said: 'I don't think it's worth getting into that exactly. Just because Alex and I were in the same vicinity, Alex's name was brought into it as well and suddenly it turned into me and Alex fighting.'
It was just one of many disappointments for Channel 4.

They had been desperate for this year's show to go out with a bang, spending huge sums on celebrities to appear after it was announced this will be the final series, following steadily declining ratings in recent years.
One of the most high profile was Ekatarina Ivanova.

But when she was asked about her turbulent relationship with Ronnie Wood and her decision to enter the house, the 21-year-old simply shrugged her shoulders before replying: 'He's still a friend, so supports it'.

Sunday night's opening show pulled in slightly more viewers than last year's launch, but still lost out Antiques Roadshow, which drew 6.1million when it was shown an hour earlier at 8pm.
And the numbers were still way down from the highest ever figures of 8.8million, which came at the height of the race row between Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty and Jade Goody in 2007.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1240623/Celebrity-Big-Brother-launch-night-beaten-ratings-wait---The-Antiques-Roadshow.html#ixzz0bh1FAZUK
I agree with the article! The show flopped. It was the least watched launch of CBB EVER according to share %. It didn't even beat Antiques Roadshow! It was way down from what it was getting 3 years ago, and nowhere near 8.8m.

The Daily Mail has got it spot on. CBB7 is set to be a huge failure. I predict tonight's show was MILLIONS lower than the launch.

[Marc]

LOL there are a lot of old people out there.

[BlackOrWhite]

The Daily Mail says alot of things...

[Tom]

Antiques Roadshow- 6.1m
Big Brother- 6.2m

Oops.

That picture of Davina is too good to not be my new avatar.

[Rory]

5.8 million!? That's a huge number for BB now that it's in its final hour.

['Conor]

i thought it got like 6.7

[Stu]

Gavin like I said you started out funny but your veil has slipped too much. You have become too obvious.

[Gavin]

Antiques Roadshow- 6.1m
Big Brother- 6.2m

Oops.
Actually BB got 5.8m. C4+1 shouldn't be included.

BBC HD or iPlayer aren't included in BBC1's ratings. So that's the fair way to go about it.

Face it- BB can no longer pull in mass audiences. Lower than Antiques Roadshow, lol!

[Stu]

Big Brother and Antiques Roadshow both have two completely different demographics? The two are meaningless to each other, no matter what beats what.

[Gavin]

i thought it got like 6.7
No, it only got 5.8m on Channel 4.

The WORST share for a live CBB launch ever!

[Tom]

Actually BB got 5.8m. C4+1 shouldn't be included.

BBC HD or iPlayer aren't included in BBC1's ratings. So that's the fair way to go about it.

Face it- BB can no longer pull in mass audiences. Lower than Antiques Roadshow, lol!

Why shouldn't +1 be included, it was on TV within the hour still?

Everything was lower than Antiques Roadshow yesterday, was everything on yesterday a flop?

6m is a mass audience, not even ITV manage that very often anymore outside the soaps.

BB practically doubled the BB10 final rating and recovered brilliantly after 2 major meltdowns in a row, hardly to be sniffed at.

[DigitalSid]

Actually BB got 5.8m. C4+1 shouldn't be included.

BBC HD or iPlayer aren't included in BBC1's ratings. So that's the fair way to go about it.

Face it- BB can no longer pull in mass audiences. Lower than Antiques Roadshow, lol!

Tell that to BARB buddy ;).

[Matt]

Why shouldn't +1 be included, it was on TV within the hour still?

Everything was lower than Antiques Roadshow yesterday, was everything on yesterday a flop?

6m is a mass audience, not even ITV manage that very often anymore outside the soaps.

BB practically doubled the BB10 final rating and recovered brilliantly after 2 major meltdowns in a row, hardly to be sniffed at.

Exactly.

But because there's no live feed, BB is automatically rubbish, right? :rolleyes:

Even when you're looking at it through the Daily Mail's eyes, it was still the second most watched show of the day. But who gives a **** what they think?

[Glenn.]

I can't see why people on here are so negative about BB. I've lost count on how many times Ive said this to the OP, but 'GET A LIFE'.

[Gavin]

Tell that to BARB buddy ;).
Well, BARB don't even add them up. They keep the two ratings separate. Look at their website.

I don't know why you guys are adding the ratings up together?! There'll be some people who watched the show twice. And the BBC don't add ratings up, nor do ITV.

[ElProximo]

It is not too bad.
All things considered.

The last BB regular season was horrible AND at the same time the program has 'run its course' naturally (so to speak),
so,
I suppose the ratings would have been much lower if not for one bigger mitigating factor and that is the 'last hurrah' viewers.
I admit to being one of them,
and,
not even going to put a lot of that sentimental 'last look' into CBB either.
A little bit.

I think you might see a fairly decent rating on those last few episodes and from a lot of us who will just enjoy a 'last look' and a sort of 'good-bye'.

(actually CBB is doing even better (so far) than I would have expected even considering the 'last hurrah' factor!)

[Gavin]

Why shouldn't +1 be included, it was on TV within the hour still?

Everything was lower than Antiques Roadshow yesterday, was everything on yesterday a flop?

6m is a mass audience, not even ITV manage that very often anymore outside the soaps.

BB practically doubled the BB10 final rating and recovered brilliantly after 2 major meltdowns in a row, hardly to be sniffed at.
People were expecting BB to come top yesterday as it had loads of media coverage. None of the other programmes yesterday apart from football had much press coverage.

At the end of the day, the stats show that it was the least popular live launch ever according to %.

Unfortunately live feed has got to do with this. Axing live feed means ppl dont wanna watch the show.

[Patrick]

It got 6.9 at a Peak I read on alot of sites today.

This paper talk utter bollocks, They know BB is begining to gain more support now, and as usuall the media try and make it sound ****, yet when they get these writers on BBBM they ****ing **** themselfs.

If these papers hate BB So much then why dont they stop bloody writing **** about it?

Oh yeah I know, because they actually love it like everyone else!

[Gavin]

At the end of the day, forget about me... it's the national press who are saying this year's show is crap.

[Patrick]

Actually BB got 5.8m. C4+1 shouldn't be included.

BBC HD or iPlayer aren't included in BBC1's ratings. So that's the fair way to go about it.

Face it- BB can no longer pull in mass audiences. Lower than Antiques Roadshow, lol!

FFS!

Why are you so negative when it comes to BB?

You always try and bring the mood down and make everyone sad thinking BB and you would shut up about your predictions for the launch getting horrible ratings, When infact you were well off because they got amazing ratings.

[letmein]

Daily Fail.

[Tom]

People were expecting BB to come top yesterday as it had loads of media coverage. None of the other programmes yesterday apart from football had much press coverage.

At the end of the day, the stats show that it was the least popular live launch ever according to %.

Unfortunately live feed has got to do with this. Axing live feed means ppl dont wanna watch the show.

If people don't want to watch it then it wouldn't have had the most viewers since the BB8 launch. Screw the percentage share, thats because the other channels had big shows on too.

At the end of the day, forget about me... it's the national press who are saying this year's show is crap.

The rest of the press are praising the show, its just the Daily Mail.

[Patrick]

At the end of the day, forget about me... it's the national press who are saying this year's show is crap.

Well lets be honest, its been on a day.

One newspaper is making bollocks up trying to make it look like no one watches BB.

Its not excactally every newspaper saying this series is ****.

If its one newspaper after 1 day on air.

If anything its recived positivity.

[Mrluvaluva]

The Daily Mail would find any reason to slag it off.

[President]

Gavin - on the front page of the Sun today, it's actually saying that it's the BEST CBB YET! :rolleyes:

[?]

The highpoint was 6.7, lmfao.

[Gavin]

Gotta admit it's way more than what Channel 4 usually get. I'm loving the fact that they're axing their biggest rated show :D.

It means the channel will really struggle from 2011 :D.

[DigitalSid]

Well, BARB don't even add them up. They keep the two ratings separate. Look at their website.

I don't know why you guys are adding the ratings up together?! There'll be some people who watched the show twice. And the BBC don't add ratings up, nor do ITV.

The BBC don't have time-shift channels.

[newshoes]

At the end of the day, forget about me... it's the national press who are saying this year's show is crap.

you make a good point about the missing live feed but ratings figures can be manipulated any way you want.i can't take that daily mail headline seriously at all.

[rm212]

Well, BARB don't even add them up. They keep the two ratings separate. Look at their website.

I don't know why you guys are adding the ratings up together?! There'll be some people who watched the show twice. And the BBC don't add ratings up, nor do ITV.

And in some houses there will be multiple viewers watching the one tv

[Gavin]

The BBC don't have time-shift channels.
The BBC could add the HD ratings to their BBC1 ratings but they never do it.

Your time-shift theory is bullshit anyway. Timeshift is only added if it's viewed on the same Channel. C4 and C4+1 are DIFFERENT channels, so BARB don't add those ratings together. They have separate columns for the channels on the website!

[Patrick]

Gavin - on the front page of the Sun today, it's actually saying that it's the BEST CBB YET! :rolleyes:

Really? :shocked:

[President]

Really? :shocked:
Yep, just seen it when they were showing the newspapers on Sky News. Front page.

[DigitalSid]

Really? :shocked:

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Jan/Week1/15514376.jpg

[DigitalSid]

The BBC could add the HD ratings to their BBC1 ratings but they never do it.

- They could, but that's a different thing and doesn't make doing so incorrect

Your time-shift theory is bullshit anyway. Timeshift is only added if it's viewed on the same Channel. C4 and C4+1 are DIFFERENT channels, so BARB don't add those ratings together. They have separate columns for the channels on the website!

- They used to, stopped I believe when they had a redesign. Again, still not incorrect.


:sleep:

[Gavin]

:sleep:
This is the definition of timeshift viewing according to BARB:
Timeshift Audience
The playback audience to a video or PVR/DVDR recording of a minute, commercial, daypart or programme. The recording must be played back within 7 days of the original transmission to be counted by BARB.

Timeshift audiences are people who watch a show via video or PVRs.

A channel like C4+1 is not considered as timeshift viewing as the content shown on there is 'as live'. BARB do not consider it as timeshift viewing, that's why its rating isn't combined with C4's.

The BBC don't add up EastEnders' BBC1 rating to BBC3. You're just doing it to make CBB look better than it actually is.

[DigitalSid]

This is the definition of timeshift viewing according to BARB:

Timeshift audiences are people who watch a show via video or PVRs.

A channel like C4+1 is not considered as timeshift viewing as the content shown on there is 'as live'. BARB do not consider it as timeshift viewing, that's why its rating isn't combined with C4's.

- Tis in the officials

The BBC don't add up EastEnders' BBC1 rating to BBC3. You're just doing it to make CBB look better than it actually is.

- BBC 3 isn't a +1 channel and that doesn't make it incorrect.


;)

[andyman]

Do you enjoy the show Gavin?

[Gavin]

- BBC 3 isn't a +1 channel and doesn't make it incorrect.

It does, it's called a timeshift channel, again google it :sleep:.
It's called a timeshift channel, but the term 'timeshift' isn't used properly. It's not for organisational purposes that BARB don't add them together. It's because there's no proper way of knowing if that audience who watched on +1 have watched the show before or not.

With timeshift recording viewing, BARB can detect if a person has already watched the programme previously and eliminate them from the data which contributes to the rating.

ITV does not add its +1 ratings to the main channel ratings. Here, straight from ITV's website: http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/itv-platforms/itv3/itv3-viewing-figures

Midsomer Murders achieved 1.1 million viewers and a 5.2% share, attracting an additional 83,000 viewers on the +1 channel (03 Jan)

And http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/itv-platforms/itv2/itv2-viewing-figures :
Movie Wild, Wild, West attracted 544,000 viewers and a 2.5% share, and an extra 108,000 on ITV2+1 (02 Jan)

Movie Scooby-Doo attracted an average audience of 679,000 viewers and a 2.9% share, with an additional 130,000 watching on the +1 channel (03 Jan)

They don't add the ratings together. They're reported separate and that's the convention. The ratings shouldn't be added together, as it technically is not 'timeshift' viewing according to BARB's definitions.

Just because you're a fan of BB doesn't mean that you should be adding all these audiences together to make the show look better than it actually is. The convention is to not add the ratings together.

So stop making BB look better than it is, Hook Nose and all those producers have ensured that this series is awful unfortunately. And the media agree with my views.

[Gavin]

Do you enjoy the show Gavin?
Not really. I thought the first task was pointless and awful. It completely ruined the launch which was ok before that.

Tonight's show was boring, and concentrated too much on what we had already seen. We didn't get to see Stephen enough who clearly is the best housemate in there.

The second task revealed on the website is a copy of the crap task in BB10. The series is themed as Hell Lies in Others, yet we're getting these silly costume tasks instead of good, evil, endurance tasks.

Very disappointing so far.

[andyman]

Still early days with CBB7..

Some people want too much from the show when the BB format is to watch people in a house at anytime, which has gone..

If people find it boring then BB aint for them, the early BB's had none of the ott bs many lust for.. Those that hate are the real cancer of the show.

[Gavin]

Did I say I found the show "boring"? No. It's not been boring, it's been more watchable than BB10 and CBB6.

But I've been very disappointed by lack of ideas so far this series in terms of task/twists. Early days though, so that's why I'll continue watching.

[DigitalSid]

It's called a timeshift channel, but the term 'timeshift' isn't used properly. It's not for organisational purposes that BARB don't add them together. It's because there's no proper way of knowing if that audience who watched on +1 have watched the show before or not.

With timeshift recording viewing, BARB can detect if a person has already watched the programme previously and eliminate them from the data which contributes to the rating.

ITV does not add its +1 ratings to the main channel ratings. Here, straight from ITV's website: http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/itv-platforms/itv3/itv3-viewing-figures



And http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/itv-platforms/itv2/itv2-viewing-figures :

They don't add the ratings together. They're reported separate and that's the convention. The ratings shouldn't be added together, as it technically is not 'timeshift' viewing according to BARB's definitions.

Just because you're a fan of BB doesn't mean that you should be adding all these audiences together to make the show look better than it actually is. The convention is to not add the ratings together.

So stop making BB look better than it is, Hook Nose and all those producers have ensured that this series is awful unfortunately. And the media agree with my views.

I'm not going to repeat myself :sleep:.

Fact is, whether conventional to add the two or not, it is not incorrect to do so, it is however to disclude them completely, ala the Mail ;).

[Gavin]

I'm not going to repeat myself :sleep:.

Fact is, whether conventional to add the two or not, it is not incorrect to do so, it is however to disclude them completely, ala the Mail ;).
Digital Spy didn't mention +1 in their reports. Are you saying they're incorrect as well??

Fact is: most people and sources don't add ratings together like that. Channel 4 probably does it to make their shows look more popular to advertisers than they really are.

Most unbiased sources don't add the ratings, and many don't even mention +1 because it's usually so insignificant.

I can't help but think if there was any other Channel 4 show that The Mail did an article like this about, you wouldn't be arguing at such length about +1 audiences. You're only doing it because you want BB to look better than it really is.

By the way I LOLed at your PMs to me as your recent comments turned out completely wrong :joker:

[andyman]

Did I say I found the show "boring"? No. It's not been boring, it's been more watchable than BB10 and CBB6.

But I've been very disappointed by lack of ideas so far this series in terms of task/twists. Early days though, so that's why I'll continue watching.I understand what you mean, but for me I dislike too many tasks.. I enjoyed the early BB's before it became a freak show, BB3 still a fans fave.

Best to sit back and enjoy the series while it lasts.. :(

[DigitalSid]

Digital Spy didn't mention +1 in their reports. Are you saying they're incorrect as well??

- Because they weren't available when yesterday's article was written ;)

Fact is: most people and sources don't add ratings together like that. Channel 4 probably does it to make their shows look more popular to advertisers than they really are.

- But they do, if availabile, report them.

Most unbiased sources don't add the ratings, and many don't even mention +1 because it's usually so insignificant.

- No source is unbiased and 406,000 is not insignificant

I can't help but think if there was any other Channel 4 show that The Mail did an article like this about, you wouldn't be arguing at such length about +1 audiences. You're only doing it because you want BB to look better than it really is.

- Depends if it interested me.



:rolleyes:

[Gavin]

- They weren't available when they wrote yesterday's article
Nonsense. The ratings were available for all channels from 9:30am (like always), and they could have included the rating in there but didn't. Look at all their other articles, which were written days after the ratings were released, and none of them mention +1.

- But they do, if availabile , report them.
As noted above, they are available from their data service Attentional. But they choose not to use them.

- No source is unbiased and 406,100 is not insignificant
Less biased than Channel 4. And if you read my post I said "usually". 406,100 - like I said in my PM - will have viewers who are watchign again. So that's why it's unreliable to add the rating onto the main channel rating.

[DigitalSid]

- they weren't available when they wrote yesterday's article
nonsense. The ratings were available for all channels from 9:30am (like always), and they could have included the rating in there but didn't. Look at all their other articles, which were written days after the ratings were released, and none of them mention +1.

but they do, if availabile , report them.

as noted above, they are available from their data service attentional. But they choose not to use them.

- fair point. What i meant was they hadn't been reported (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=37642057&postcount=67), i don't usually source ratings from d.s. So assumed like their news, it was scraped from the press. Regardless though of whether they did today or not, they do usually report +1:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a193489/24-million-tune-in-for-tsunami-footage.html

no source is unbiased and 406,100 is not insignificant

less biased than channel 4. And if you read my post i said "usually". 406,100 - like i said in my pm - will have viewers who are watchign again. So that's why it's unreliable to add the rating onto the main channel rating.

- reliable enough for barb:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080222004450/www.barb.co.uk/viewingsummary/weekreports.cfm?report=weeklyterrestrial&requesttimeout=500

[farhad]

put nikki back in then you will see how the ratings would be like.Seriously the show went downhill since BB7 and Nikki, please producers put the Queen of BB back to where she belongs. We need to do a petition for this.

[DigitalSid]

put nikki back in then you will see how the ratings would be like.Seriously the show went downhill since BB7 and Nikki, please producers put the Queen of BB back to where she belongs. We need to do a petition for this.

Thrice is more than enough.

[farhad]

Thrice is more than enough.

It will save the show.

[DigitalSid]

It will save the show.

Didn't save BB10.

[farhad]

Well during that task, the shows rating was the best of that weeks episode. But after the dullards made it tune off.

[DigitalSid]

Well during that task, the shows rating was the best of that weeks episode. But after the dullards made it tune off.

Giving it a 1 day boost != saving it

[Patrick]

It will save the show.

Putting in a legendary housemate back in the house didnt excactally save BB when Jade Goody went back in did it!

[farhad]

jade not a legend, just a controversie queen. I'm talking of ultimate BB entertainer.

[DigitalSid]

Putting in a legendary housemate back in the house didnt excactally save BB when Jade Goody went back in did it!

Sort of saved CBB5.

[*mazedsalv**]

Actually BB got 5.8m. C4+1 shouldn't be included.

BBC HD or iPlayer aren't included in BBC1's ratings. So that's the fair way to go about it.

Face it- BB can no longer pull in mass audiences. Lower than Antiques Roadshow, lol!

Yes it should be included.
Its the same as recordings, BARB announces the ratings. +1 SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

Also, AR is for older people, why dont you watch that? It will interest you more.

LOL at you saying the ratings are crap, you are worse than C4 in admitted your wrong :joker:. 9m wouldnt even be good according to you.

[WOMBAI]

jade not a legend, just a controversie queen. I'm talking of ultimate BB entertainer.

No bb contestant has ever been, or ever will be a 'legend'.

[arista]

Gotta admit it's way more than what Channel 4 usually get. I'm loving the fact that they're axing their biggest rated show :D.

It means the channel will really struggle from 2011 :D.


Yes More Richard Dawkins
series about Crazy Bible Freaks.


Bliss.

[tmx]

It doesn't matter if its their biggest rated show

If its running at a loss they'll axe it.

I may have two products. 1 brings in £10m while the other only £1m. However the former product costs £20m to produce while the second only £500k. Which one do I keep?

[Marc]

Gavin - on the front page of the Sun today, it's actually saying that it's the BEST CBB YET! :rolleyes:

Yay! The Sun has it right!