Good Christian or religious freak?

[Jay_1986]

What he said about his daugther tonight was just a bit too freaky.

[King Gizzard]

He is a bad and false representation of a christian. Not all christians are like that

[MissKittyFantastico]

He's either a religious freak, or the cocaine abuse has completely addled his brain cells.

He wasn't like that at all on IAC US, don't know what's going on with him! :/

[Big_Kahuna]

he looks like a spastic from some angles, maybe that is it

[ElProximo]

Well first lets be clear:
- There are no 'good Christians'. There is only a good Christ.

Church is a school for sinners and not a sanctuary for saints.
Christians are not perfect - they are just forgiven.

When I say 'I am a Christian' I don't speak of this with pride. I'm confessing that I stumble and need Christ to be my guide.

When I say 'I am a Christian' I'm not claiming to be perfect. My flaws are far too visible, but God believes I am worth it.

When I say 'I am a Christian' I'm not holier than thou,I'm just a simple sinner who received God's good grace, somehow!

Baldwin is a bit nutty and has all sorts of flaws and issues and many he (actually God) is still working on,
but,
as near as I can tell he is aware of this and he knows full well he is a work in progress,
and,
if not for his Christianity I suppose you would REALLY see some horrific madness in this guy.
If he was still alive.
He seems to me the type who would, otherwise, have become 'dead celebrity #234234' after some 'mysterious death' in a hotel room on Sunset Blvd.

I do understand what the OP is getting at and we have also seen bogus 'converts' before (or you really wonder if its some act or to stay away from jail),
but,
in this case - there is no 'good Christians' and I do believe Baldwin does know this and would even admit he screws up, he has issues, he is far from perfected yet.
I hope.

Yeah.. he is a bit nutty. In the past reality shows I wanted to dislike him and be 'suspicious' but he has won me over before. Meaning - I think he is 'sincere' at least.

[letmein]

Oh ElProximo.

[ElProximo]

Oh ElProximo.

You love it.

[Stacey.]

Everyones getting him wrong :(
hes very religious,yeh, he puts all his trust into Jesus :)
Itss a good way to be. he just strongly believes in religion,
and i respect him for what he thinks''

[BlackOrWhite]

well first lets be clear:
- there are no 'good christians'. There is only a good christ.

Church is a school for sinners and not a sanctuary for saints.
Christians are not perfect - they are just forgiven.

When i say 'i am a christian' i don't speak of this with pride. I'm confessing that i stumble and need christ to be my guide.

When i say 'i am a christian' i'm not claiming to be perfect. My flaws are far too visible, but god believes i am worth it.

When i say 'i am a christian' i'm not holier than thou,i'm just a simple sinner who received god's good grace, somehow!

Baldwin is a bit nutty and has all sorts of flaws and issues and many he (actually god) is still working on,
but,
as near as i can tell he is aware of this and he knows full well he is a work in progress,
and,
if not for his christianity i suppose you would really see some horrific madness in this guy.
If he was still alive.
He seems to me the type who would, otherwise, have become 'dead celebrity #234234' after some 'mysterious death' in a hotel room on sunset blvd.

I do understand what the op is getting at and we have also seen bogus 'converts' before (or you really wonder if its some act or to stay away from jail),
but,
in this case - there is no 'good christians' and i do believe baldwin does know this and would even admit he screws up, he has issues, he is far from perfected yet.
I hope.

Yeah.. He is a bit nutty. In the past reality shows i wanted to dislike him and be 'suspicious' but he has won me over before. Meaning - i think he is 'sincere' at least.

tl;dr

[chuff me dizzy]

100% Freak

[Niamh.]

He's either a religious freak, or the cocaine abuse has completely addled his brain cells.

He wasn't like that at all on IAC US, don't know what's going on with him! :/

I know, I was thinking that too, I saw him on IAC and I didn't even know he was a born again christian cos I never heard him mention it, he was really fuuny and normal??

[Stu]

Everyones getting him wrong :(
hes very religious,yeh, he puts all his trust into Jesus :)
Itss a good way to be. he just strongly believes in religion,
and i respect him for what he thinks''
You support what he says? That he would rather his daughter get shot dead than renounce Jesus?

That's not a good way to think and I have no idea how you could respect that.

[Stacey.]

You support what he says? That he would rather his daughter get shot dead than renounce Jesus?

That's not a good way to think and I have no idea how you could respect that.

yeh i do. he believes in jesus,and i have a lot of respect for people like that,no matter how far they choose to take it, thats up to them. :spin:
Every housemate does things you like and dislike,,you dont get perrfect, and I like his way of thinking.:hugesmile:

[Stu]

yeh i do. he believes in jesus,and i have a lot of respect for people like that,no matter how far they choose to take it, thats up to them. :spin:
Every housemate does things you like and dislike,,you dont get perrfect, and I like his way of thinking.:hugesmile:
So as long as you say you believe in Jesus in your eyes you can pretty much get away with saying or doing anything?

[Stacey.]

So as long as you say you believe in Jesus in your eyes you can pretty much get away with saying or doing anything?

No, because i Dont believe in Jesus meself. :spin:
but what he says has a lot of meaning behind it, And he has changed for the better

[Stu]

No, because i Dont believe in Jesus meself.
So you don't think he should be able to get away with whatever he wants? That contradicts what you just said.


but what he says has a lot of meaning behind it, And he has changed for the better
Yeah, now instead of shoving coke up his nose he would let his daughter get shot in the chest. What a transformation.

What meaning is behind what he says, exactly? None if you ask me. There's no 'meaning' behind any circumstance which involves you willingly letting your daughter get shot.

[RealityTVisGreat]

So he said, 'Killing in the name of.....'!!!

[ElProximo]

You support what he says? That he would rather his daughter get shot dead than renounce Jesus?

That's not a good way to think and I have no idea how you could respect that.

Look.
He is making a rational and consistent statement. Which is why you don't understand it and why it makes you feel angry (a common reaction when frustrated),
and,
let me try and 'step you through it':

He believes that Christ will not only protect his daughter in this life (and bring joy, peace, etc),
but,
will also give her eternal peace and happiness long after she is passed in this life.
Ok.

So, consistent with his premise he is showing how it would be WORSE if his daughter was to:
Renounce eternal security and joy AND eternal separation from him.
That is worse.

So, he is deliberately giving the example of something he would HATE and wish never happens,
and,

...oh forget it. I have no doubt you are totally confused already.

Just know its consistent and is saying he is totally against his daughter being murdered.
Years from now you might get this.

[Stacey.]

So you don't think he should be able to get away with whatever he wants? That contradicts what you just said.


Yeah, now instead of shoving coke up his nose he would let his daughter get shot in the chest. What a transformation.

What meaning is behind what he says, exactly? None if you ask me. There's no 'meaning' behind any circumstance which involves you willingly letting your daughter get shot.

um, no, not contradicting. i dont believe in it all and Jesus, but if he does, then thats cool :)
and, whatever he believes it up to him,, :) i really like him, And he takes Jesus and all that, that far,then its ok.

[Stacey.]

Look.
He is making a rational and consistent statement. Which is why you don't understand it and why it makes you feel angry (a common reaction when frustrated),
and,
let me try and 'step you through it':

He believes that Christ will not only protect his daughter in this life (and bring joy, peace, etc),
but,
will also give her eternal peace and happiness long after she is passed in this life.
Ok.

So, consistent with his premise he is showing how it would be WORSE if his daughter was to:
Renounce eternal security and joy AND eternal separation from him.
That is worse.

So, he is deliberately giving the example of something he would HATE and wish never happens,
and,

...oh forget it. I have no doubt you are totally confused already.

Just know its consistent and is saying he is totally against his daughter being murdered.
Years from now you might get this.

:joker: love that Comment :thumbs:
good points,very accurate

[Stu]

Look.
He is making a rational and consistent statement. Which is why you don't understand it and why it makes you feel angry (a common reaction when frustrated),
and,
let me try and 'step you through it':

He believes that Christ will not only protect his daughter in this life (and bring joy, peace, etc),
but,
will also give her eternal peace and happiness long after she is passed in this life.
Ok.

So, consistent with his premise he is showing how it would be WORSE if his daughter was to:
Renounce eternal security and joy AND eternal separation from him.
That is worse.

So, he is deliberately giving the example of something he would HATE and wish never happens,
and,

...oh forget it. I have no doubt you are totally confused already.

Just know its consistent and is saying he is totally against his daughter being murdered.
Years from now you might get this.
Actually I know exactly where he is coming from and I never needed it explained to me. I just don't believe it, find it sick, and find it to be a load of bollocks, sugar.

Believe it or not some people do understand all of this, they just think it's a fabricated crock of **** :blush:.

[Niamh.]

Actually I know exactly where he is coming from and I never needed it explained to me. I just don't believe it, find it sick, and find it to be a load of bollocks, sugar.

Believe it or not some people do understand all of this, they just think it's a fabricated crock of **** :blush:.

Yeah, I said this earlier too, I'm willing to bet if he actually was in that situation he would not sacrifice his daughters life rather then let her tell a little white lie, it's very easy to preach about a situation that will never, ever happen!!

[Stu]

True. I'm sure when push comes to shove he would renounce Christ to save his paypacket, let alone his daughter!

[Niamh.]

True. I'm sure when push comes to shove he would renounce Christ to save his paypacket, let alone his daughter!

:joker:

[ElProximo]

Actually I know exactly where he is coming from and I never needed it explained to me. I just don't believe it, find it sick, and find it to be a load of bollocks, sugar.

Believe it or not some people do understand all of this, they just think it's a fabricated crock of **** :blush:.

you are just hopeless.
Your vicious hate-spewing bigotry really shines through on these.
You might start praying he gets evicted otherwise I worry you will have a nervous breakdown by week 5 lol

[Stu]

Personally I believe The Bible to be hate spewing bigotry. I am far from hopeless. Just because I don't believe what you believe?

Typical religionist.

[ElProximo]

Personally I believe The Bible to be hate spewing bigotry. I am far from hopeless. Just because I don't believe what you believe?

Typical religionist.

You are a dummy for not being able to comprehend how the statements he makes are consistent with what HE believes,
and,
that IS what matters.

You are so dim-witted that you think it changes because 'you don't believe he is correct' lol

But hey, keep projecting hypocrite. If that is the crutch you need then I think Baldwin can take it.

[Stu]

You are a dummy for not being able to comprehend how the statements he makes are consistent with what HE believes,
and,
that IS what matters.

You are so dim-witted that you think it changes because 'you don't believe he is correct' lol

But hey, keep projecting hypocrite. If that is the crutch you need then I think Baldwin can take it.
Actually I already said numerous times his statement is consistent with what he believes. Try reading. It's just that I don't believe it.

Next!

[moveupandon]

Loathe him! What wimps sitting there! Being made to say grace! I would murder him! Why be so polite - from the outset I would have lost it! Despise him!

[Niamh.]

Loathe him! What wimps sitting there! Being made to say grace! I would murder him! Why be so polite - from the outset I would have lost it! Despise him!

yeah, I agree with this, Don't force your beliefs on other people, I can't wait til one of them gets a backbone!!

[moveupandon]

yeah, I agree with this, Don't force your beliefs on other people, I can't wait til one of them gets a backbone!!

absoultely! backbones removed.... the inebriates!

all that BS claptrap.... like a mental street preacher that get's in your face!

the man needs a slap down

[Niamh.]

absoultely! backbones removed.... the inebriates!

all that BS claptrap.... like a mental street preacher that get's in your face!

the man needs a slap down

My moneys on Sov or Heidi to say something first

[Stu]

Bang on the money with that prediction I reckon. It's hillarious watching them make fun of him and it's only what ... the fourth full day?

[moveupandon]

My moneys on Sov or Heidi to say something first

I hope Heidi goes ballastic! The prick will call her "satan" incarnate though - at which point I hope she gives him some hellfire! Wouldn't be surpised if he tries to exorcise anyone who questions him in their sleep.... or do that BS Christian pity thing!

[Niamh.]

Heidi might have had him in her little black book so he might be afraid to take her on lol!!

[moveupandon]

Heidi might have had him in her little black book so he might be afraid to take her on lol!!

damn I hope so!

and reveals his pervy fetishes!

"out out thou demon of stupidity"!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Hes just a washed up junkie clinging on to something to help him feel sane! I dont blame him for needing what he needs...hes a bit of a twat but theres worse than him around

[Niamh.]

damn I hope so!

and reveals his pervy fetishes!

"out out thou demon of stupidity"!

:joker:

[Niamh.]

Hes just a washed up junkie clinging on to something to help him feel sane! I dont blame him for needing what he needs...hes a bit of a twat but theres worse than him around

swapping one addiction for another maybe? I mean like I said, fair enough and good on him but don't force it on others who don't want it!

[NettoSuperstar!]

swapping one addiction for another maybe? I mean like I said, fair enough and good on him but don't force it on others who don't want it!

Yeh someone ought to put a sock in his mouth

[moveupandon]

I'd send the prick in a different religious book in every day instead of his bible hour - as well as some old myths and a satanic bible to really piss him off!

Make the nutter have a pissy fit.

His drug-adled brain is well shot.... he has a Ozzy Osborne thing about him! Shame he went for Bible studies for *******

[Rob]

I think hes quite funny, a good source of entertainment, especially as he winds everyone up!

[arista]

Yes
Utter Bible Freak Baldwin

[Niamh.]

I think hes quite funny, a good source of entertainment, especially as he winds everyone up!

He is entertaining in there I'll give him that lol, as much as he annoys me, he makes for interesting viewing, we need someone to challange him soon though!

[Winston Smith]

Loathe him! What wimps sitting there! Being made to say grace! I would murder him! Why be so polite - from the outset I would have lost it! Despise him!

My sentiments entirely. I also suspect he is a complete xenophobe. We shall see.

[Stu]

I'd send the prick in a different religious book in every day instead of his bible hour - as well as some old myths and a satanic bible to really piss him off!

Make the nutter have a pissy fit.

His drug-adled brain is well shot.... he has a Ozzy Osborne thing about him! Shame he went for Bible studies for *******
Good idea, they should just put a Satanic Bible on the table some morning and see what he does!

[moveupandon]

My sentiments entirely. I also suspect he is a complete xenophobe. We shall see.

And I mean how hard is it to say to him - ****!?

Yes, racist... absolutely - American, republican, "Disney" Christianity from insane God-totting commerical TV! Brain rot sets in!

A highlarious video on religious delusion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWhfVq3vPzQ

[moveupandon]

Good idea, they should just put a Satanic Bible on the table some morning and see what he does!

Would be hilarious! Put out some Alistair Crowley and watch the IQ challenged thicko spontaeously decombust!

[ElProximo]

This is very entertaining and says a lot about the desperate self-righteousness of so many here lol

[Niamh.]

This is very entertaining and says a lot about the desperate self-righteousness of so many here lol

Well, for me, the only thing that pisses me off is his preaching to the others who clearly aren't religious

[moveupandon]

This is very entertaining and says a lot about the desperate self-righteousness of so many here lol

http://www.youtube.com/user/xtravaluemeal#p/u/23/ZYsTlbDLvkg love it!

[moveupandon]

http://www.youtube.com/user/xtravaluemeal#p/u/23/ZYsTlbDLvkg love it!

even funnier video! stephen's IQ level!

http://www.youtube.com/user/xtravaluemeal#p/u/23/ZYsTlbDLvkg

[moveupandon]

and of-course!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o george carlin!

[Jords]

Well, for me, the only thing that pisses me off is his preaching to the others who clearly aren't religious

I agree, he shouldnt force it on people.

[Stu]

Would be hilarious! Put out some Alistair Crowley and watch the IQ challenged thicko spontaeously decombust!
Or put him in a room and blast Marilyn Manson on a loop as punishment.

:devil:

[moveupandon]

Or put him in a room and blast Marilyn Manson on a loop as punishment.

:devil:

do-able and delcious! producers take note!

[ElProximo]

http://www.youtube.com/user/xtravaluemeal#p/u/23/ZYsTlbDLvkg love it!

I don't love it because here is what happened:

Genesis was translated into a childs version as if to be presented to children.
Ok.
Then what happens is that people like you see such a thing and it becomes that way in your mind.
Then you fell away from Church or any Bible study and so it never progressed along with you.
Then when you are 22 and hear 'Genesis' or 'The Bible' your only reference is a childrens story,
and,
a child-like understanding of Genesis.

Now the real problem comes along when you suppose that your understanding simply must be 'what it is'. (you don't know better).
You suppose if YOU think its childish.. and since you are smart... then *therefore* it must be childish.
and,
anyone who does take it seriously must therefore be *childish*.

So you see when you show me a video like that you are showing me what is your problem.
What is childish about your understanding and where you have the arrested development here.
Not me or Baldwin.

That aside - I don't like the idea of presenting Genesis to children as it is a very serious and very adult account.
A rating should say 'This deals with mature content and may be difficult for children'.
I'm not just talking about violence here but just a lot of complex and 'advanced' (not always in good ways) human relationships, jealousy and on and on.
Things adults 'get' or can relate to but children and even teenagers won't really appreciate easily.

Some things yes. Some aspects yes.
but,
no, its not a childrens book.

[ElProximo]

Or put him in a room and blast Marilyn Manson on a loop as punishment.

:devil:

I was actually considering teasing your immaturity by mock suggesting you should try and 'freak him out' by totally blasting some marylin manson and whoaaa.. he'd be like 'WHAT!!!' and freak out and like make a devil sign at him and he'd be like 'aggghhhh'...

...now I saw you ACTUALLY thought of this and not even as a joke.

Wow.
Just wow.
Im in a room full of idiot-teens wow.

Now in case anyone is wondering:
YES... you will get your wish.
but not even Channel Four is so childish and pathetic to 'freak him out' with devil signs.
*wait.. scratch that.. they DID do that stupid thing on launch with the scare flames and metal*
but,
no, they will now attempt something much more sophisticated and Ch.4 is well clever with their anti-christian schemes so it will be more along the lines of setting him up through editing for the standard 'shown up hypocrite' and also some shame from his past.
(which is easy as he is a former Hollywood celeb).

So yes.. you absolutely will get what you are lusting for - a set-up and total shaming of the Christian.
Which mmmmmm... mmmm.. you want SO BADLY it hurts.

But no.. not your stupid 90s idiot-teen 'freak him out with devil music' crap lol.
Wow.
Just wow at that.

[Stu]

Isin't ElProximo fantastic? I just feel like taking him home with me to play Trivial Pursuit all night long.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yah hes good value hehe

[Stu]

I just checked out his thread history for the lolz.

Oh how I lolled.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Him and LT separated at birth methinks

[BBfan46]

I know, I was thinking that too, I saw him on IAC and I didn't even know he was a born again christian cos I never heard him mention it, he was really fuuny and normal??

Yeah, I'm really gutted that side isn't coming out on BB. Maybe it's editing?

[chuff me dizzy]

I dont know how they are not telling him to **** ,I sure would be doing !!!

[moveupandon]

Isin't ElProximo fantastic? I just feel like taking him home with me to play Trivial Pursuit all night long.

wow! Elproximo is kerrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy! Times for your meds dear. And if you aren't crazy, you are bloody boring!

[Stu]

Then the jokes on you for caring enough to entertain my boring posts.

[Enid]

Overzealousness does my ****ing head in.

[Fangz]

As someone who's rather anti-organized religion I've got no room to judge whether or not he's a good christian, but I will say he's a pretty awful father.

[chuff me dizzy]

Im waiting for him to put his black suit and dog collar on ,its the future !!!