View Full Version : What was before the Big Bang?
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 11:21 AM
So the universe sure does look like it is exploding out of something but what was there before the bang?
Finest mystery of our time. I don't think we will ever know. I think this whole thing is greater than our minds are capable of understanding.
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 11:26 AM
Finest mystery of our time. I don't think we will ever know. I think this whole thing is greater than our minds are capable of understanding.
I guess the thing is not a thing that we can currently thunk?
I'm not even convinced the big bang happened
BBUK4LYFE
12-01-2010, 11:31 AM
I don't believe in the Big Bang.
I guess the thing is not a thing that we can currently thunk?
Goddidit, of course.
You know the big bang theory does not attempt to describe the initial conditions or first cause of the universe, right? It is intended merely to describe the development of the universe from its extremely dense and hot early stages into its present form. Don't think of it as a localized explosion from which all matter moves away, but as an expansion of space itself. An observer at any point in the universe sees the same thing: a homogenous distribution of matter everywhere, with the more and more distant parts receding faster and faster.
Of course one explanation is that a multiverse existed before everything. The problem with the god hypothesis is that it calls into question who created the creator, a paradox that continues ad infinitum.
BBUK4LYFE
12-01-2010, 11:35 AM
How does God exist?
we learned that everything has a creator, right?
So how did he come into existence?
How does God exist?
we learned that everything has a creator, right?
So how did he come into existence?
Presumably from a religious standpoint he either always existed or simply magicked himself into existence. The thing is, science is always at a certain disadvantage in debates like these because a religious person can get away with saying virtually anything by saying 'His God! That's how!'.
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 11:38 AM
The speed of light is a bit of a problemo however in terms of how we "see" things. and i guess 300 years from now peeps on a forum could be lol'ing at us and the "big bang"
The speed of light is a bit of a problemo however in terms of how we "see" things. and i guess 300 years from now peeps on a forum could be lol'ing at us and the "big bang"
Jesus will have come back by then sure. Has to happen anyday now.
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 11:42 AM
Jesus will have come back by then sure. Has to happen anyday now.
he will not be coming to Ireland, I read that in the Express on Sunday.
he will not be coming to Ireland, I read that in the Express on Sunday.
He doesn't travel much to spread the word for the son of a superbeing, does he? His initial visit to our world left a lot to be desired.
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 11:47 AM
He doesn't travel much to spread the word for the son of a superbeing, does he? His initial visit to our world left a lot to be desired.
I blame the Romans, or the Italians as they are now. His first visit had more impact than any "man" who has ever lived so i reckon he hi-fived a few Angels on his ascent.
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 11:48 AM
The universe could not have popped into existence uncaused, out of absolutely nothing, because we know that whatever begins to exist has a cause.
James
12-01-2010, 11:50 AM
So the universe sure does look like it is exploding out of something but what was there before the bang?
Time began with the Big Bang so there was no before.
...I know, I can't really get my head around that either.
:D
Niamh.
12-01-2010, 11:52 AM
Anyone who has the answer to that question is lying!
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 11:53 AM
Anyone who has the answer to that question is lying!
One imagines that Arista will either blame Tesco or New labour
fact
setanta
12-01-2010, 11:53 AM
Somebody roll me a j and I might be able to answer it. Otherwise stay away from the subject... headwrecking stuff.
The universe could not have popped into existence uncaused, out of absolutely nothing, because we know that whatever begins to exist has a cause.
But that doesn't include the abstract concept you have come to know as god, right?
The universe could not have popped into existence uncaused, out of absolutely nothing, because we know that whatever begins to exist has a cause.
We only think things have to have a cause because thats what we're used to. The world doesn't have to have had a start point, its a hard concept to get your head around but thats only because of human nature.
But hang on, don't you believe in God ...?
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 12:02 PM
But that doesn't include the abstract concept you have come to know as god, right?
It depends on how you see God. The Bible communicates God's creative and sustaining relationship to the cosmos rather than his physical location within the cosmos. It would be hard with current scientific language to deal with that I know.
Its a bit like seeing Genesis as a recipe for making universes, which it is not (for a start you would need a lot more eggs).
Scarlett.
12-01-2010, 12:06 PM
One imagines that Arista will either blame Tesco or New labour
fact
Utter Fact
One eyed Scottish Brown is to blame for This.
arista
12-01-2010, 12:08 PM
I'm not even convinced the big bang happened
Of Course
you are so Anal in thinking.
Life In The Fast Lane.
It depends on how you see God. The Bible communicates God's creative and sustaining relationship to the cosmos rather than his physical location within the cosmos. It would be hard with current scientific language to deal with that I know.
Its a bit like seeing Genesis as a recipe for making universes, which it is not (for a start you would need a lot more eggs).
Physical location or not, that's why I mentioned it as an abstract concept, 'God' would have to have a start point just like everything else. That is if you believe in start points. Another theory is that when this universe contracts, it will once again expand into another big bang, only for the same thing to happen again. Who says the universe 'began'? It could be just on a constant loop.
arista
12-01-2010, 12:11 PM
No God is out there,Chuck the fable Bible
in the Snow.
Let it Rot.
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 12:20 PM
Physical location or not, that's why I mentioned it as an abstract concept, 'God' would have to have a start point just like everything else. That is if you believe in start points. Another theory is that when this universe contracts, it will once again expand into another big bang, only for the same thing to happen again. Who says the universe 'began'? It could be just on a constant loop.
I would say the Universe begat
BB_Eye
12-01-2010, 05:21 PM
Physical location or not, that's why I mentioned it as an abstract concept, 'God' would have to have a start point just like everything else. That is if you believe in start points. Another theory is that when this universe contracts, it will once again expand into another big bang, only for the same thing to happen again. Who says the universe 'began'? It could be just on a constant loop.
It's funny really how Nietzsche was only playing devil's advocate (no pun intended) when he mentioned the doctrine of eternal recurrance. How the notion that man's ultimate fate is to relive his own life again and again forever should form a foundation of the values we create for ourselves. If the Big Crunch theory is true, then we may aswell make the most out of our lives, because we are only going to repeat it for all eternity.
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 05:25 PM
It's funny really how Nietzsche was only playing devil's advocate (no pun intended) when he mentioned the doctrine of eternal recurrance. How the notion that man's ultimate fate is to relive his own life again and again forever should form a foundation of the values we create for ourselves. If the Big Crunch theory is true, then we may aswell make the most out of our lives, because we are only going to repeat it for all eternity.
I intend not to be locked up that time
InOne
12-01-2010, 05:26 PM
Do you think God was before LT?
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 05:27 PM
Do you think God was before LT?
that would depend on your take on what God is
InOne
12-01-2010, 05:30 PM
that would depend on your take on what God is
What is your take on it? Being theist and all...
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 05:34 PM
What is your take on it? Being theist and all...
I look at Genesis chapter one and have faith.
InOne
12-01-2010, 05:39 PM
I look at Genesis chapter one and have faith.
Isn't saying it's God kind of the lazy way out? Not really thinking about it?
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 05:41 PM
Isn't saying it's God kind of the lazy way out? Not really thinking about it?
only if you dont think about it. genesis and indeed the Bible is no lazy alternative and neither is being a Christian. Both you and I will be dead by 2070 so we make our choices.
I look at Genesis chapter one and have faith.
You must be bursting with faith.
Crimson Dynamo
12-01-2010, 06:31 PM
You must be bursting with faith.
my 2010 Jim Murray Whisky Bible has just arrived from Amazon! (van got stuck in the snow in the drive, they always do). So i am bursting with anticipation, that and a glass of Old Shooglie that i am drinking. Next will be a vintage Queen Anne 70 proof.
come on
NettoSuperstar!
13-01-2010, 04:36 PM
A twinkle in gods eye
*mazedsalv**
13-01-2010, 04:43 PM
This has always been the most difficult topic for me to EVER understand.
I mean, so we are saying before the big bang (if it is actually real), there was nothing in the world? How exactly would this make land, water, plants and animals...
and then evolution comes in... why are apes and monkeys still around if we are supposed to have evolved from them.
And then comes in the third one, God. Every living thing, or object... anything... must have been created. So how was God created?
Bind these 3 points together, and its impossible to find out.
So we have evolution, God creating the universe, and The Big Bang. Now, what happened when?
The universe couldnt just have been created just by a huge explosion... i always wonder, how weird is it to think, what was there before? Did we just have pitch black before the universe was created??
Tbh I think I actually believe my before human life.
I am POSITIVE this is not a dream, but i have a feeling of me walking around in pitch black with stars surrounding me and a light shining in my face. This NEVER HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE OR IN DREAM.... could have been my previous life... I have never forgotton that memory... and it creeps me out.
Crimson Dynamo
13-01-2010, 05:02 PM
This has always been the most difficult topic for me to EVER understand.
I mean, so we are saying before the big bang (if it is actually real), there was nothing in the world? How exactly would this make land, water, plants and animals...
and then evolution comes in... why are apes and monkeys still around if we are supposed to have evolved from them.
And then comes in the third one, God. Every living thing, or object... anything... must have been created. So how was God created?
Bind these 3 points together, and its impossible to find out.
So we have evolution, God creating the universe, and The Big Bang. Now, what happened when?
The universe couldnt just have been created just by a huge explosion... i always wonder, how weird is it to think, what was there before? Did we just have pitch black before the universe was created??
Tbh I think I actually believe my before human life.
I am POSITIVE this is not a dream, but i have a feeling of me walking around in pitch black with stars surrounding me and a light shining in my face. This NEVER HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE OR IN DREAM.... could have been my previous life... I have never forgotton that memory... and it creeps me out.
and dont forget that every atom in your body is millions of years old and came from stars millions of light years away and ago.
NettoSuperstar!
13-01-2010, 05:03 PM
We are stardust, we are golden....
Crimson Dynamo
13-01-2010, 05:10 PM
We are stardust, we are golden....
..we are all just numpties, like Amanda Holden
Joe eat your heart out
setanta
13-01-2010, 05:15 PM
Foreplay hopefully.
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