Edlington child sadists: we tortured because we were bored

[Harry!]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6996867.ece

Terrible news.

We can only blame the parents for upbringing them to be like this.

The James Bulger case mk.2. They could of even killed the other children if they wasnt careful.

What do you think of this story?

[Jessica.]

:shocked: That is terrible!

[InOne]

Would be interesting to know what the parents were like. They must come from a family of Psychopaths, it's unusual to find brothers who commit such acts like that at that age.

[andyman]

Doctors have said these two are a real danger to the public and more so with age..

More details have came out about the attack and it is very shocking, they only stopped because they we're tired.. The two victims nearly died..

[andyman]

Would be interesting to know what the parents were like. They must come from a family of Psychopaths, it's unusual to find brothers who commit such acts like that at that age.Drugs.. Mother always on them, but the doctors have branded the two evil boys as "psychopaths".. These two need help and will take years to undo the damage.

[InOne]

Drugs.. Mother always on them, but the doctors have branded the two evil boys as "psychopaths".. These two need help and will take years to undo the damage.

They should never be let out of Broadmoor or somewhere like that. They must have pretty low IQ's as well, same as that Steven Barker

[Tom4784]

It's a sickening story, I agree that the parents are probably to blame. Let's just hope that the victims can overcome the trauma of it all and that one day in the future the attackers will be rehibilitated.

[arista]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6996867.ece

Terrible news.

We can only blame the parents for upbringing them to be like this.

The James Bulger case mk.2. They could of even killed the other children if they wasnt careful.

What do you think of this story?



Yes they were pure evil.
Only stopped as there Arms hurt.




Lock then up for Over 30years at least.

[arista]

It's a sickening story, I agree that the parents are probably to blame. Let's just hope that the victims can overcome the trauma of it all and that one day in the future the attackers will be rehibilitated.


There Parents will have something to do with why this went on.

[andyman]

They should never be let out of Broadmoor or somewhere like that. They must have pretty low IQ's as well, same as that Steven BarkerFair to say it is very low, but their mental problems run deep, zero empathy..

[Tom4784]

Yes they were pure evil.
Only stopped as there Arms hurt.




Lock then up for Over 30years at least.

I disagree, I'm gonna get flack for this but I think they should be given the the appropiate sentence for the crime and while they're inside they need to be rehibilitated and put on the right track as they're kids it's still possible to correct the wrongs in these kids lives. I don't really believe in damning children, you can rehibilitate kids most times but if you throw them aside they'll only re-offend when they're older and more dangerous.

[InOne]

Fair to say it is very low, but their mental problems run deep, zero empathy..

Yep, they clearly can't register pain or suffering. Doubt they're ever gonna be let out, but at least they got to them young.

[andyman]

The mother gave up on them, the two brothers did what they want when they want since being very young..

[andyman]

True, both young and could be helped with the right treatment, whatever that is.. But right now they're unfit to be out in public with their state of mind..

[andyman]

The Krays move over..

[M X]

So disgusting.

:(

[InOne]

Well if they are Psychopaths they can't be cured. If they are doing stuff like that already I fear it could be too late to do anything with them.

[Tom4784]

Well if they are Psychopaths they can't be cured. If they are doing stuff like that already I fear it could be too late to do anything with them.

Good point, I just hope for the safety of others something can be done though really.

[InOne]

Good point, I just hope for the safety of others something can be done though really.

Dunno what could be done really, doubt they'd respond to therapy and years in the system surrounded by other Psychopaths won't do much good either.

[andyman]

We just don't know yet, the Doctor could be wrong to say that but he could be spot on.. But for sure they can't go out in public to do what they want.

After Friday they will be gone forever..

[InOne]

We just don't know yet, the Doctor could be wrong to say that but he could be spot on.. But for sure they can't go out in public to do what they want.

After Friday they will be gone forever..

Pretty safe to say. And yeah, their lives are gone now.

[GypsyGoth]

:sad: it's a horrible story.

[arista]

I disagree, I'm gonna get flack for this but I think they should be given the the appropiate sentence for the crime and while they're inside they need to be rehibilitated and put on the right track as they're kids it's still possible to correct the wrongs in these kids lives. I don't really believe in damning children, you can rehibilitate kids most times but if you throw them aside they'll only re-offend when they're older and more dangerous.


What let them out on Tags?

[andyman]

Its like 1993 with the two Jamie killers.. The two Doncaster evil brothers could be back living with the public in their 20s, but would we know about it?

[InOne]

We'd never know, when these get sentenced and go away they will be forgotten about, there will always be something else to happen that will over shadow it, it always happens. Then when they get released, the public will be 'Outraged' at something they forgot even happened.

[Niamh.]

Jesus, what a terrible story. Is there really anithing that could "cure" those 2?? I doubt it very much

[InOne]

Jesus, what a terrible story. Is there really anithing that could "cure" those 2?? I doubt it very much

Nah they can't be cured. They are wired differently.

[Tom4784]

What let them out on Tags?

Did I say that? Try to argue the points I've put accross instead of putting words in my mouth. I said IF there is a way to rehibilitate them then it should be done because chances are either way in a few years time they'll be out anyway, and when that happens I hope they're rehabilitated for the sake of others.

[andyman]

Did I say that? Try to argue the points I've put accross instead of putting words in my mouth. I said IF there is a way to rehibilitate them then it should be done because chances are either way in a few years time they'll be out anyway, and when that happens I hope they're rehabilitated for the sake of others.lol, trust me you're wasting your time trying to have a logical debate with arista, he can only post 24 letters in each post..

[InOne]

No Whip em' and hang em' members I see.

[andyman]

Cut off their heads! That will teach em..

[InOne]

That is another debate though, even though i'm against it. If they can't be cured, should they simply be put down?

[andyman]

.. We could pour hot acid down their throat?

.. Or cut off their arms so they will always know what they did.. That will teach em!

[InOne]

I can see you're not too serious about this one andy lol

[andyman]

I could be.. I'm the killer that comes with a smile, as I look into their eyes and see their soul drift away into the darkness..

[InOne]

All the best killers come with a smile. The idiotic thugs are boring.

[andyman]

The two brothers in court today, I will try and keep my eye on the news..

I think they will both go into high risk care until 18 and the next step will depend how they were over the 7 to 8 years..

[andyman]

All the best killers come with a smile. The idiotic thugs are boring.So true, it takes the insane to be so sane..

[InOne]

So true, it takes the insane to be so sane..

Indeed, which is why this kind of thing facinates me.

[InOne]

The two brothers in court today, I will try and keep my eye on the news..

I think they will both go into high risk care until 18 and the next step will depend how they were over the 7 to 8 years..

Yeah, the ebest option for now. They will be too stupid to know how to fool the docs, so maybe they will break down and talk.

[andyman]

The Nazis did a study into this during the 1930s, they came up with that all Gypsy were natural to become criminal thugs, trouble kids and not very bright..

[Scarlett.]

Chuck the ****ers in a cage with a Deathclaw


but seriously...what happened to kids being kids?

[InOne]

What we have to remember is this is a quite a rare and icolated events. The media makes it almost like all kids are going off and doing this.

[Scarlett.]

True, but still, how can this happen...

[InOne]

Bad parents, bad brains, it's a collection of factors.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Nah they can't be cured. They are wired differently.

Well I disagree, whilst you do have some good points elsewhere...Children like this can and do get rehabilitated, they caught them early and that is key. If they were born in to a nice family that loved and cared for them properly they wouldnt have done what they did, utter fact. Children like this have suffered high levels of trauma and abuse in their very young and chaotic lives (No excuse for what theyve done, but it is what it is)

[arista]

Did I say that? Try to argue the points I've put accross instead of putting words in my mouth. I said IF there is a way to rehibilitate them then it should be done because chances are either way in a few years time they'll be out anyway, and when that happens I hope they're rehabilitated for the sake of others.


No you did not say tags
I was just checking,
For the Sake Of Others
I would assume they are locked up for a long time.

[arista]

Bad parents, bad brains, it's a collection of factors.


Yes One Dad
would beat of the Arrested kids and mother.


Normal kids would not be this Evil.

[Enid]

To blame the parents every time is very ignorant. These kids are mentally ill and need help.

[arista]

True, but still, how can this happen...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1244984/I-stopped-arms-aching-Horrific-confession-11-year-old-sadist-tortured-young-boys.html

Grim


Broken Britain.

[arista]

To blame the parents every time is very ignorant. These kids are mentally ill and need help.


From the News Reports
we can see how one of them had a Dad
that was Evil.

[NettoSuperstar!]

To blame the parents every time is very ignorant. These kids are mentally ill and need help.

research proves that kids who commit the most terrible crimes like this have very chaotic and abusive homelives, the evidence is there! Plenty of kids are born with similar brain abnormalities but dont commit such terrible crimes

[Niamh.]

No Whip em' and hang em' members I see.

I do think that they should be locked up for life, to protect people and make sure they can't do it again but there must be something mentally wrong with them.

[arista]

The 11 year old & his brother
have been given a 5 Year sentance.


SkyNews Live.

[NettoSuperstar!]

The 11 year old & his brother
have been given a 5 Year sentance.


SkyNews Live.

Your joking? Is that it?...need longer than that to sort that pair out

[arista]

Your joking? Is that it?...need longer than that to sort that pair out


Confirmed 5 years each.

But at least they are from their Toxic Family.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Confirmed 5 years each.

But at least they are from their Toxic Family.

Well true, the mother should never have been allowed to keep them kids in the first place! I hope that means they will actually serve five in a secure unit not half the sentence in and half on licence like adults would

[Niamh.]

Confirmed 5 years each.

But at least they are from their Toxic Family.

That's madness!!! Releasing them after 5 years is just putting innocent people in danger

[30stone]

Damn that is just disgusting for them to have no conscience for them to only stop because they were tired.

Thats just messed up in so many ways.

[arista]

That's madness!!! Releasing them after 5 years is just putting innocent people in danger


No they will be checked
Its going to go the way Dezzy said.

[InOne]

Well I disagree, whilst you do have some good points elsewhere...Children like this can and do get rehabilitated, they caught them early and that is key. If they were born in to a nice family that loved and cared for them properly they wouldnt have done what they did, utter fact. Children like this have suffered high levels of trauma and abuse in their very young and chaotic lives (No excuse for what theyve done, but it is what it is)

Well if they are Psychopaths it is a fact they are wired different. But yes, as they have been caught early, treatment could be possible, like who knows what else they got upto?? But we will see I guess, the difference in enviroment might help. But say if they were like 16 or something they most likely would have already been to far gone. Who knows they might respond brilliantly, as I said before I don't think they're too intelligent, so doubt they'd be able to play games with the docs

[InOne]

To blame the parents every time is very ignorant. These kids are mentally ill and need help.

Not really, obviously they are mentally ill but the mother definitely had an impact, it's not just the parents it's a collection of factors, but the parents certianly contributed.

[InOne]

Confirmed 5 years each.

But at least they are from their Toxic Family.

They will serve their 5 years and get carted off to Broadmoor I bet. It happens all the time, prisoners thinking they'll be released and then getting put in a mental hospital for the rest of their life.

[InOne]

I do think that they should be locked up for life, to protect people and make sure they can't do it again but there must be something mentally wrong with them.

I meant to post that on the paedo thread lol

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well if they are Psychopaths it is a fact they are wired different. But yes, as they have been caught early, treatment could be possible, like who knows what else they got upto?? But we will see I guess, the difference in enviroment might help. But say if they were like 16 or something they most likely would have already been to far gone. Who knows they might respond brilliantly, as I said before I don't think they're too intelligent, so doubt they'd be able to play games with the docs

Yeh but theyre too young to be classed as psychopaths, plenty of kids are "wired different" but wont grow up to be psychopaths if they grow up in a stable and caring environment

[InOne]

Yeh but theyre too young to be classed as psychopaths, plenty of kids are "wired different" but wont grow up to be psychopaths if they grow up in a stable and caring environment

Well, do you think Psychopathy should be diagnosed at a younger age? And no matter what the enviroment, Psychopaths are born not made, their upbrining has an affect obviously, maybe more so than others.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well, do you think Psychopathy should be diagnosed at a younger age? And no matter what the enviroment, Psychopaths are born not made, their upbrining has an affect obviously, maybe more so than others.

Theyre not born, they may be born with the potential but without the abusive, chaotic and traumatic childhoods/ or lack of any discipline at all they wouldnt end up as psychopaths...and if you start sticking labels on children then theres no hope. I do think there are behavioral problems and signs that someone could end up that way at an early age and those kids need to be worked with to prevent it happening, thats the way the govt is going which is a good sign, tackling problem children in schools and working with their families is on the increase now...Im looking at getting into that work now myself as it happens

[InOne]

Theyre not born, they may be born with the potential but without the abusive, chaotic and traumatic childhoods they wouldnt end up as psychopaths...and if you start sticking labels on children then theres no hope. I do think there are behavioral problems and signs that someone could end up that way at an early age and those kids need to be worked with to prevent it happening, thats the way the govt is going which is a good sign, tackling problem children in schools and working with their families is on the increase now...Im looking at getting into that work now myself as it happens

Yes and no. Say like a lesser intelligent Psychopath might be violent, get caught and end up in prison for the rest of their life. While the more intelligent ones are more likely to go cause havoc in the business world. That is why is so ruthless at the high end of it. I agree labels are not good, and should not be used likely. But this is an extreme case, where clearly they didn't see the suffering, it's a rarity but sometimes you have to diagnose them early I think. Without dignosing you might be concentrating on all the worng things and end up not helping them at all.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yes and no. Say like a lesser intelligent Psychopath might be violent, get caught and end up in prison for the rest of their life. While the more intelligent ones are more likely to go cause havoc in the business world. That is why is so ruthless at the high end of it. I agree labels are not good, and should not be used likely. But this is an extreme case, where clearly they didn't see the suffering, it's a rarity but sometimes you have to diagnose them early I think. Without dignosing you might be concentrating on all the worng things and end up not helping them at all.

I dont believe in putting labels on people, tackle the behaviour but theres nothing to gain from saying a child is a psychopath and there is no way of accurately predicting if they will end up that way at all so it would damaging to even slap that label on. tackle the behaviour, tackle the poor parenting and if neccessary remove children from the poor environment. If a child is persistantly truanting, getting into trouble, has a poor record of behaviour at school then theres clear signs that things are amiss and they need help. Concentrating on the behaviour/symptoms/causes is the only way to deal with it, diagnoses are just umbrella terms and can be unhelpful when it comes to treatment. Everyone is different and needs treating in different ways

[InOne]

I dont believe in putting labels on people, tackle the behaviour but theres nothing to gain from saying a child is a psychopath and there is no way of accurately predicting if they will end up that way at all so it would damaging to even slap that label on. tackle the behaviour, tackle the poor parenting and if neccessary remove children from the poor environment. If a child is persistantly truanting, getting into trouble, has a poor record of behaviour at school then theres clear signs that things are amiss and they need help. Concentrating on the behaviour/symptoms/causes is the only way to deal with it, diagnoses are just umbrella terms and can be unhelpful when it comes to treatment. Everyone is different and needs treating in different ways

I guess so, but don't you think it could be a bit hit and miss treatment then? I guess that what mental health is like anyway really. It would be nice if these two are not too far gone, but giving the nature of the crime i'm not too sure. Hopefully the system will do them good, but like someone said earlier, it will be like with the kids who killed James Bulger, we will probably never even know when they are released or where they are.

[bbfan1991]

Shocking case:(, such a shame for their victims and their families but for the attackers they are obviously very disturbed and the upbringing excuses only last for so long... they chose to commit that act so must take the consequences. 5 years is a joke the sentences these days are but it's going to take ages to rehabilitate them. When eventually let out which obviously could be longer than their sentence always the risk of re-offending but they are sick and very cold people to do such a thing :mad:.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I guess so, but don't you think it could be a bit hit and miss treatment then? I guess that what mental health is like anyway really. It would be nice if these two are not too far gone, but giving the nature of the crime i'm not too sure. Hopefully the system will do them good, but like someone said earlier, it will be like with the kids who killed James Bulger, we will probably never even know when they are released or where they are.

Oh they'll be given new identities I reckon. Yeh haha it is pretty hit and miss but then I guess humans are too complex creatures for it to be that simple. treating specific individual things/behaviours/symptoms has got to better than treating a label thats used to describe a wide range of people with differing problems and symptoms...btw have you seen Boy A? its supposed to be loosely based on the bulger boys and kids like this pair, worth a watch!

[InOne]

Oh they'll be given new identities I reckon. Yeh haha it is pretty hit and miss but then I guess humans are too complex creatures for it to be that simple. treating specific individual things/behaviours/symptoms has got to better than treating a label thats used to describe a wide range of people with differing problems and symptoms...btw have you seen Boy A? its supposed to be loosely based on the bulger boys and kids like this pair, worth a watch!

I saw some of it, i'm hoping it might be on youtube or 4od or something??? But yeah, apprently the mother of Bulger got told where Venables was, but too overcome by anger to even move. God knows what the parents of the victims think of the boys, but you've heard cases of people doing time in prison then a whole other stretch in Broadmoor right? I think that could be a possibility too.

[Tom4784]

They should have got longer since chances are they're sentence will be reduced anyway, Not enough time at all to make them safe for the public.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I saw some of it, i'm hoping it might be on youtube or 4od or something??? But yeah, apprently the mother of Bulger got told where Venables was, but too overcome by anger to even move. God knows what the parents of the victims think of the boys, but you've heard cases of people doing time in prison then a whole other stretch in Broadmoor right? I think that could be a possibility too.

Well it depends how far gone they are, personally I think theyre too young to end up that bad unless theres an additonal risk of developing a psychotic illness later on, dont know what the family history is there. A lot of people in prison have got mental health problems of differing kinds and some prefer life inside to out thats for sure. Its hard to put yourself in the parents place cos the boys that did it were so young too, Im sure I'd be angry for a long while, I'd like to think I'd be able to forgive them if they truly felt bad for what they'd done though, but who knows in reality

[InOne]

Well it depends how far gone they are, personally I think theyre too young to end up that bad unless theres an additonal risk of developing a psychotic illness later on, dont know what the family history is there. A lot of people in prison have got mental health problems of differing kinds and some prefer live inside to out thats for sure. Its hard to put yourself in the parents place cos the boys that did it were so young too, Im sure I'd be angry for a long while, I'd like to think I'd be able to forgive them if they truly felt bad for what they'd done though, but who knows in reality

Yeah, there is also the psychological trauma of the vicitims as well. That is going to take some time to heal.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeah, there is also the psychological trauma of the vicitims as well. That is going to take some time to heal.

God yeh hope theyre getting enough help what happened to them was truly truly horrific

[sooty]

The word "bored" is bothering me.

It may be too late for these two brothers, but how about where poor young children could go to after school these days?

They do not have computer at home, or
No youth centre near they live or can not afford to join a club.

I hve been wondering whenever if I see a group of very young children gathering at corner doing nothing after school.
If they could go to sports center, music or dancing places without any charge.

I would not think they could turn to monster like these brothers but these ordinary children might need some help before they develop feeling of anger, frustration or dissapointment to turnt to nasty actions.

(I am not saying all cildren in a group at corner.
Some of them may be simply waiting for their friedns or any other simple reasons)

[InOne]

Hmmm yes, I guess bored is quite worrying. But as I said this is a pretty extreme case, and it was not like it was a gang or anything, it was just Brothers.

[arista]

The word "bored" is bothering me.

It may be too late for these two brothers, but how about where poor young children could go to after school these days?

They do not have computer at home, or
No youth centre near they live or can not afford to join a club.

I hve been wondering whenever if I see a group of very young children gathering at corner doing nothing after school.
If they could go to sports center, music or dancing places without any charge.

I would not think they could turn to monster like these brothers but these ordinary children might need some help before they develop feeling of anger, frustration or dissapointment to turnt to nasty actions.

(I am not saying all cildren in a group at corner.
Some of them may be simply waiting for their friedns or any other simple reasons)


13 years ago
New Labour said they would stop all this.
They Failed.

[NettoSuperstar!]

13 years ago
New Labour said they would stop all this.
They Failed.

You do realise it is not a simple problem to solve and their is no quick fix solution, theyve put in place measures to tackle the problem, family liaison workers in schools, police social workers and schools working together to monitor and improve anti social behaviour...its just the start and it will take time to show results.

[andyman]

To blame the parents every time is very ignorant. These kids are mentally ill and need help.In this case we can.. Mother and father are a feking mess! The brothers were ok to watch porn dvds, horror films, drink cider, smoke their dads weed and live in a brutal home with their other brothers.. "Toxic home" the police have said..

It will be some task to undo 11 years of damage.

[andyman]

Arista spitting out shìt again.. Of course the Conservatives would stop all this.. Hmmm.

[InOne]

In this case we can.. Mother and father are a feking mess! The brothers were ok to watch porn dvds, horror films, drink cider, smoke their dads weed and live in a brutal home with their other brothers.. "Toxic home" the police have said..

It will be some task to undo 11 years of damage.

They really didn't have much of a chance in life eh.

[informer]

i think the exact same punishment should be dealt out to them, bricks..knives and sexual acts should be repeated on them

an eye for an eye

[InOne]

i think the exact same punishment should be dealt out to them, bricks..knives and sexual acts should be repeated on them

an eye for an eye

That is just stupid.

[NettoSuperstar!]

How they didnt prosecute them for attempted murder aswell is madness, they intended to kill them, they left one for dead! the sentence is a joke really

[informer]

That is just stupid.

you wouldnt be saying that if if happened to your own children...

[informer]

How they didnt prosecute them for attempted murder aswell is madness, they intended to kill them, they left one for dead! the sentence is a joke really

i agree, it really should be a murder charge..i hope they end up 'near death' in that prison like what happened to their innocent victims

[NettoSuperstar!]

In this case we can.. Mother and father are a feking mess! The brothers were ok to watch porn dvds, horror films, drink cider, smoke their dads weed and live in a brutal home with their other brothers.. "Toxic home" the police have said..

It will be some task to undo 11 years of damage.

"It was revealed during the case that social services agencies in Doncaster, police and medics missed 31 opportunities to intervene with the brothers' family."

""However, the review has concluded there were serious failings in local services, and the Executive Summary report has indicated that the assault was a preventable incident."


Mental, how that woman was allowed to keep her kids is beyond me, she should be doing time herself!

[arista]

You do realise it is not a simple problem to solve and their is no quick fix solution, theyve put in place measures to tackle the problem, family liaison workers in schools, police social workers and schools working together to monitor and improve anti social behaviour...its just the start and it will take time to show results.


Yes and New Labour had 13 years
but Failed.

[NettoSuperstar!]

i agree, it really should be a murder charge..i hope they end up 'near death' in that prison like what happened to their innocent victims

Dont agree with the last bit

[informer]

The word "bored" is bothering me.

It may be too late for these two brothers, but how about where poor young children could go to after school these days?

They do not have computer at home, or
No youth centre near they live or can not afford to join a club.

I hve been wondering whenever if I see a group of very young children gathering at corner doing nothing after school.
If they could go to sports center, music or dancing places without any charge.

I would not think they could turn to monster like these brothers but these ordinary children might need some help before they develop feeling of anger, frustration or dissapointment to turnt to nasty actions.

(I am not saying all cildren in a group at corner.
Some of them may be simply waiting for their friedns or any other simple reasons)

your reply is 'bothering ' me..

me and my 3 brothers had very little in terms on toys or games growing up but we were extremely grateful for what we had...

just because i was bored i didnt go and almost kill someone....

they were evil with no sense of morals in their life at all...

religion needs to be brought back in this country

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yes and New Labour had 13 years
but Failed.

You really think under the Tories it would be better! lol...you have much to learn

[InOne]

you wouldnt be saying that if if happened to your own children...

How do you know? What would doing the same achieve, and could you do that to them yourself?

[informer]

the parents need to be in prison too

[andyman]

They really didn't have much of a chance in life eh.The parents might face court action, which is about fecking time.. Of course we can't blame parents all the time but this case we can..

The two brothers might have been damaged before birth due to their mothers huge drug taking and drinking, but their "toxic home life" did play a role with their mental state..

[InOne]

The parents might face court action, which is about fecking time.. Of course we can't blame parents all the time but this case we can..

The two brothers might have been damaged before birth due to their mothers huge drug taking and drinking, but their "toxic home life" did play a role with their mental state..

Yeah of course, in most cases of abuse the abuser has often been abused themselves. Emotions blunted at an early age.

[informer]

How do you know? What would doing the same achieve, and could you do that to them yourself?

I know it for a fact...

I would get similiar aged children in the prison to deal with them..

just arm them with knives, bricks and whatever they requested and let them attack them

with the victims and parents, watching behind a glass door

like the electric chair in america where the relatives of the victim watch the person die from behind a window etc in the movie 'green mile'

[InOne]

I know it for a fact...

I would get similiar aged children in the prison to deal with them..

just arm them with knives, bricks and whatever they requested and let them attack them

with the victims and parents, watching behind a glass door

like the electric chair in america where the relatives of the victim watch the person die from behind a window etc in the movie 'green mile'

And how exactly would you go about arranging this? You do realise they will be protected...

[Tom]

They should be tortured for life- castrate them.

[andyman]

Arista has a screw loose.. Making this political is a lost cause, same things will happen under any government.

[Tom]

Arista has a screw loose.. Making this political is a lost cause, same things will happen under any government.

arista could make the price comparison of value cheese in Tesco and Asda a political issue. This is like a wet dream for him

[informer]

And how exactly would you go about arranging this? You do realise they will be protected...

venables and thomson the 'bulger' killers were protected too

it seems we 'protect' the criminals a lot...

[InOne]

venables and thomson the 'bulger' killers were protected too

it seems we 'protect' the criminals a lot...

Sad but true.

[andyman]

arista could make the price comparison of value cheese in Tesco and Asda a political issue. This is like a wet dream for himlol. :joker:

Arista needs his own tv show, late night hit.

[arista]

venables and thomson the 'bulger' killers were protected too

it seems we 'protect' the criminals a lot...


Yes New Labour have Failed.
Once they are Kicked out of Power
it will get better.

[informer]

Yes New Labour have Failed.
Once they are Kicked out of Power
it will get better.

you think cameron and the rest of the toffs will serve us better?

[Zippy]

If they were adults I would say 30 years. But at such a young age there is hope to turn them into civilised, productive members of society. Theyve already been torn away from all they know so thats an instant punishment.

That said, they do need to be locked up for far more than 5 years. If only as pure punishment. Although kids that age adapt very quickly and I suspect their new home will be a damn sight more cosy than their old one. No doubt they also have many soppy social workers buzzing around them to make sure THEIR rights are protected too.

But Im sure theyll be free before theyre 25 so they still have a full life ahead. Let's just be thankful their victims actually survived - no thanks to them.

[arista]

you think cameron and the rest of the toffs will serve us better?


Yes they will
Have Faith.

[andyman]

Yes they will
Have Faith... How? What would be the course of action?.. Real politics arista not "faith"..

[Crimson Dynamo]

the human heart, if unloved, is capable of despicable evil. Arista has a point. This feckless Government has created a climate for evil to breed.


fact.

[arista]

the human heart, if unloved, is capable of despicable evil. Arista has a point. This feckless Government has created a climate for evil to breed.


fact.



Bang On Right.

[Shaun]

They should be tortured for life- castrate them.

great rational judgment there.

It does amuse me when sensationalist media portray them to be monsters...and then condone readers who say 'THEY SHOULD BE EXECUTED, ****ING SCUM'.

[Jayson]

I think they should have got the same punishment as the Bulger killers. 8 years and when released, if they step out of line or are considered a threat to society give them life imprisonment.

[andyman]

Bang On Right.Utter BS! So under the Conservatives such acts would never happen?

So what would be/is their policy?

[Beastie]

Sick ****s.

[andyman]

Sick ****s.I know, we can never trust them tory pigs..

[Tom4784]

Eye for an eye is stupid, despite their crimes doing the same to them makes us just as bad for calling for it especially considering they're kids themselves. They deserve prison but a country that calls for such violence on children makes me almost as sick as the crime itself if I'm honest.

[InOne]

A mob mentality is never good. No wonder the goverment does not trust the public.

[sooty]

me and my 3 brothers had very little in terms on toys or games growing up but we were extremely grateful for what we had..


I respect you and your family.