View Full Version : Sisqo and Vinnie
Athleticguy29uk
26-01-2010, 02:23 AM
Why all the hatred for Vinnie who ok caused a bit of violence (in his past) and has clearly changed beacuse he hasnt lost his temper in the house at all. if he was half as bad as the papers make out the men in white coats would of taken him away by now, and he does ALOT for charity.
Then theres no hate for Sisqo who sexualy abused a child? lol
people have there prioritys mixed up me thinks.:nono:
Big_Kahuna
26-01-2010, 04:11 AM
sisqo has been kicked out
Big_Kahuna
26-01-2010, 04:12 AM
Stupid thread
Stacey.
26-01-2010, 06:40 AM
Sisqo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vinnie
:D
Athleticguy29uk
26-01-2010, 12:04 PM
Yeah but people hating on vinnie for a bit of violence in his past,and alot of people seem to think its unforgivable, but i noticed when alot of people found out Sisqo had sex with children alot were like " ohh well i forgive him" . lol thats crazyness.
I think both of them made mistakes and I see past that for both of them.
My problem with Vinnie stems from the fact that he is a cock. That's all. And no amount of charity donations will ever change that.
chuff me dizzy
26-01-2010, 12:40 PM
Yeah but people hating on vinnie for a bit of violence in his past,and alot of people seem to think its unforgivable, but i noticed when alot of people found out Sisqo had sex with children alot were like " ohh well i forgive him" . lol thats crazyness.
"hating on" what part of the USA do you come from ?
MojoNixon
26-01-2010, 01:29 PM
Sisqo is a piece of ****, that's all.
Niamh.
26-01-2010, 03:04 PM
The main difference between Sisqo & Vinnies pasts is this : Sisqo was not aware that the girl was underage but I'm quite sure Vinnie was aware of when he was hitting some one!
The main difference between Sisqo & Vinnies pasts is this : Sisqo was not aware that the girl was underage but I'm quite sure Vinnie was aware of when he was hitting some one!
Hehe. Nice.
BB_Eye
26-01-2010, 03:21 PM
Can someone remind me of Vinnie's redeeming qualities? I can't think of any.
Angus
26-01-2010, 03:51 PM
The main difference between Sisqo & Vinnies pasts is this : Sisqo was not aware that the girl was underage but I'm quite sure Vinnie was aware of when he was hitting some one!
It amazes me how many people have the ability to read Sisqo's mind and KNOW that he wasn't aware the girl was underage. A grown man having sex with a child is beyond the pale, and I do NOT buy that Sisqo was unaware of her age. He got a 14 year old pregnant then spends the next 10 years avoiding any responsibility.
Anything Vinnie has done is not comparable with the exploitation of a CHILD and people who try to excuse Sisqo are deluded.
Niamh.
26-01-2010, 03:54 PM
It amazes me how many people have the ability to read Sisqo's mind and KNOW that he wasn't aware the girl was underage. A grown man having sex with a child is beyond the pale, and I do NOT buy that Sisqo was unaware of her age. He got a 14 year old pregnant then spends the next 10 years avoiding any responsibility.
Anything Vinnie has done is not comparable with the exploitation of a CHILD and people who try to excuse Sisqo are deluded.
well, the fact that he doesn't make a habit of it and as far as everyone is aware this was the one and only time it happened, it is logical to come to the conclusion that he is not a paedophile as paedophiles tend to make a habit of it.
Shasown
26-01-2010, 04:05 PM
well, the fact that he doesn't make a habit of it and as far as everyone is aware this was the one and only time it happened, it is logical to come to the conclusion that he is not a paedophile as paedophiles tend to make a habit of it.
Simply because we are unaware of him having any previous form doesnt mean he doesnt do it regularly.
People probably though Peter Sutcliff, Fred West, Harold Shipman, Vanessa George etc. were okay.
It amazes me how many people have the ability to read Sisqo's mind and KNOW that he wasn't aware the girl was underage. A grown man having sex with a child is beyond the pale, and I do NOT buy that Sisqo was unaware of her age. He got a 14 year old pregnant then spends the next 10 years avoiding any responsibility.
Anything Vinnie has done is not comparable with the exploitation of a CHILD and people who try to excuse Sisqo are deluded.
It amazes me how many people have the ability to read Sisqo's mind and KNOW that he was aware the girl was underage.
Works both ways, dude.
Simply because we are unaware of him having any previous form doesnt mean he doesnt do it regularly.
Ditto.
Your basing this on assumption, nothing more. I imagine if you accidently banged a 14 year old and got her pregnant you would do your best to avoid that scenario from that point on.
Assuming someone is a paedophile is a very heavy assumption to make.
WOMBAI
26-01-2010, 04:12 PM
Why all the hatred for Vinnie who ok caused a bit of violence (in his past) and has clearly changed beacuse he hasnt lost his temper in the house at all. if he was half as bad as the papers make out the men in white coats would of taken him away by now, and he does ALOT for charity.
Then theres no hate for Sisqo who sexualy abused a child? lol
people have there prioritys mixed up me thinks.:nono:
Oh so a 45 year old bloke that can keep his temper in check for a couple of weeks on public tv - must be a changed man! You are easily fooled!
Niamh.
26-01-2010, 04:12 PM
Simply because we are unaware of him having any previous form doesnt mean he doesnt do it regularly.
People probably though Peter Sutcliff, Fred West, Harold Shipman, Vanessa George etc. were okay.
So you think that no guy ever slept with an underage girl accidentally thinking they were older then? I'm not saying that he wasn't in the wrong but I am saying that there is a difference between a person who specifically seeks out children and someone who mis judges a persons age.
Niamh.
26-01-2010, 04:15 PM
I have a strange feeling of Deja vous........................
BB_Eye
26-01-2010, 04:15 PM
It amazes me how many people have the ability to read Sisqo's mind and KNOW that he wasn't aware the girl was underage. A grown man having sex with a child is beyond the pale, and I do NOT buy that Sisqo was unaware of her age. He got a 14 year old pregnant then spends the next 10 years avoiding any responsibility.
Anything Vinnie has done is not comparable with the exploitation of a CHILD and people who try to excuse Sisqo are deluded.
Saying Sisqo was not aware of the girl's age is nothing near the sort of leap in logic that the notion he exploited her is. Are you really prepared to say that given the context of what he did (if he did it), that he is on the same level as a child molester? Don't you think he would have offended more than once if that's how he got his kicks?
I think it's also worth bearing in mind Sisqo has yet to receive any criminal conviction or scheduled criminal court appearance. This whole thing still has yet to be proven in a court of law, which is more than what can be said for Vinnie, who has repeatedly gotten in trouble with the law and repeatedly gotten off lightly due to his money and status.
Shasown
26-01-2010, 04:19 PM
So you think that no guy ever slept with an underage girl accidentally thinking they were older then? I'm not saying that he wasn't in the wrong but I am saying that there is a difference between a person who specifically seeks out children and someone who mis judges a persons age.
Its the fact he is keeping quiet totally about it, I bet his agent makes it a condition of any interviews its not mentioned. If it was a simple single mistake, why not just admit it, either way he wont ever go back to switzerland except in the unlikely case he gets extradited.
Shasown
26-01-2010, 04:23 PM
I think it's also worth bearing in mind Sisqo has yet to receive any criminal conviction or scheduled criminal court appearance. This whole thing still has yet to be proven in a court of law, which is more than what can be said for Vinnie, who has repeatedly gotten in trouble with the law and repeatedly gotten off lightly due to his money and status.
As far as the Swiss High Court is concerned he is the father of the child. That is fact. Its Swiss Law, you may not agree with them or the way they interpret his refusal to submit DNA evidence in his own defence. But under Swiss Law it has been proven. (or rather he failed to disprove).
Niamh.
26-01-2010, 04:23 PM
Its the fact he is keeping quiet totally about it, I bet his agent makes it a condition of any interviews its not mentioned. If it was a simple single mistake, why not just admit it, either way he wont ever go back to switzerland except in the unlikely case he gets extradited.
I wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops either if I were him. the fact that he hasn't spoken about it to the press has no bearing what-so-ever on whether or not it was intentional
Shasown
26-01-2010, 04:25 PM
I wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops either if I were him. the fact that he hasn't spoken about it to the press has no bearing what-so-ever on whether or not it was intentional
Exactly neither does the fact we only know he has done this sort of thing once prove that it was an unintentional one off mistake does it?
Its the fact he is keeping quiet totally about it, I bet his agent makes it a condition of any interviews its not mentioned. If it was a simple single mistake, why not just admit it, either way he wont ever go back to switzerland except in the unlikely case he gets extradited.
That's totally within his right and completely logical in the face of the media. If he doesn't want to talk about it you can't blame him for that. It doesn't mean he is without remorse when the cameras switch off.
Exactly neither does the fact we only know he has done this sort of thing once prove that it was an unintentional one off mistake does it?
It doesn't prove the reverse either, does it?
Shasown
26-01-2010, 04:28 PM
It doesn't prove the reverse either, does it?
Very true but I am arguing about the "statement of fact" in this post
The main difference between Sisqo & Vinnies pasts is this : Sisqo was not aware that the girl was underage but I'm quite sure Vinnie was aware of when he was hitting some one!
WOMBAI
26-01-2010, 04:31 PM
So you think that no guy ever slept with an underage girl accidentally thinking they were older then? I'm not saying that he wasn't in the wrong but I am saying that there is a difference between a person who specifically seeks out children and someone who mis judges a persons age.
Assuming that was the case - there is the issue of him refusing to take responsibility for his own child. That is pretty despicable! If he really believed there was no chance he could be the father - he would take the appropriate test. And if he is - he should be a man - and be a father to his child!
Niamh.
26-01-2010, 04:32 PM
Very true but I am arguing about the "statement of fact" in this post
with the information that we have about the whole thing, it's seems more likely to me that Sisqo (who was only 20 at the time) wrongly assumed she was older than she was rather than he is some raging paedophile whose other crimes are yet to be discovered!
Niamh.
26-01-2010, 04:33 PM
Assuming that was the case - there is the issue of him refusing to take responsibility for his own child. That is pretty despicable! If he really believed there was no chance he could be the father - he would take the appropriate test. And if he is - he should be a man - and be a father to his child!
yes, I agree with that 100%
Very true but I am arguing about the "statement of fact" in this post
That's not a fact. Nobody but Sisqo knows.
What we do know, as Wombai pointed out, is that he ran from the story scared of the press at the expense of the child.
BB_Eye
26-01-2010, 04:35 PM
As far as the Swiss High Court is concerned he is the father of the child. That is fact. Its Swiss Law, you may not agree with them or the way they interpret his refusal to submit DNA evidence in his own defence. But under Swiss Law it has been proven. (or rather he failed to disprove).
Yes, but it was over a civil case, not a criminal one. So he is neither a convicted criminal nor a runaway defendent. The Swiss court's decision to declare Sisqo the dad after the long wait with no DNA test is fair enough and they gave Sisqo more than enough time to show up, but it seems plausible that Sisqo would figure he had nothing to gain by travelling to Switzerland if he had nothing to hide and there was no threat of extradition.
Shasown
26-01-2010, 04:40 PM
Yes, but it was over a civil case, not a criminal one. So he is neither a convicted criminal nor a runaway defendent. The Swiss court's decision to declare Sisqo the dad after the long wait with no DNA test is fair enough and they gave Sisqo more than enough time to show up, but it seems plausible that Sisqo would figure he had nothing to gain by travelling to Switzerland if he had nothing to hide and there was no threat of extradition.
He didnt have to travel top Switzerland simply submit to a DNA test, he could have done that at an agreed hospital/centre/laboratory, the test results would have then been sent to him and also the Swiss Court.
Now he cant go back to Switzerland, because he owes in excess of $100,000. If he does he would get arrested, for non payment of child support and contempt of court, the ensuing publicity could force the Swiss authorities to initiate a prosecution
BB_Eye
26-01-2010, 05:03 PM
He didnt have to travel top Switzerland simply submit to a DNA test, he could have done that at an agreed hospital/centre/laboratory, the test results would have then been sent to him and also the Swiss Court.
Now he cant go back to Switzerland, because he owes in excess of $100,000. If he does he would get arrested, for non payment of child support and contempt of court, the ensuing publicity could force the Swiss authorities to initiate a prosecution
Then I'm amazed he hasn't done anything about this. Either he has a death wish or he wrongly believes he can get away with it.
Shasown
26-01-2010, 05:07 PM
Then I'm amazed he hasn't done anything about this. Either he has a death wish or he wrongly believes he can get away with it.
Or he might thinks if he ignores it, it will go away. Guilty people often do. PMSL
markmorgan
26-01-2010, 05:29 PM
Stupid thread
+1000. Its rare to see a thread that is just so ignorant....
maybe its all these 'prioritys'
Angus
26-01-2010, 05:31 PM
well, the fact that he doesn't make a habit of it and as far as everyone is aware this was the one and only time it happened, it is logical to come to the conclusion that he is not a paedophile as paedophiles tend to make a habit of it.
And you have a degree in Cognitive Psychology from which university?
And you have a degree in quick assumptions from which University?
There is no proof that he is a paedophile. None at all.
Utter fact.
Stacey.
26-01-2010, 05:48 PM
:laugh2:
Shasown
26-01-2010, 06:19 PM
And you have a degree in quick assumptions from which University?
There is no proof that he is a paedophile. None at all.
Utter fact.
Apart from the fact the Swiss High Court has ruled he is the father of the child, that she says he fathered when she was 14 and he was 21? Technically a sex offence.
And paedophile is used in the states(where he was born and lives) when referring to an adult who commits a sex offence against a minor ( and a 14 year old is a minor regardless of how old she looked at the time, that doesnt change the fact she was still a minor.)
For once can you stop speaking in black and white legal jargon and respect the fact that there is no evidence to suggest he has an ongoing sexual attraction to young children?
Shasown
26-01-2010, 06:45 PM
For once can you stop speaking in black and white legal jargon and respect the fact that there is no evidence to suggest he has an ongoing sexual attraction to young children?
Does that mean you accept the 'fact' that he could be classed as a paedophile or are you just changing the goalposts in the discussion?
Stop trying to catch me out and cop on. I'm talking about rational, common sense view and you know it. Not political technicalities.
There is no evidence to suggest he has an ongoing facination with kiddies.
informer
26-01-2010, 06:47 PM
Does that mean you accept the 'fact' that he could be classed as a paedophile or are you just changing the goalposts in the discussion?
I think it's quite clear by your fascination with paedophile's its in fact YOU who is a deeply troubled person..seek medical assistance you dirty peasant
Shasown
26-01-2010, 06:55 PM
I think it's quite clear by your fascination with paedophile's its in fact YOU who is a deeply troubled person..seek medical assistance you dirty peasant
You know if it was anyone on the forum other than you, I may have been insulted by that slur.
Just to let you know my service pension keeps me comfortably off thanks.
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