John Terry - what a lousy role model

[Angus]

If Children don't know what he does off the pitch is wrong then the parents have done something incredibly wrong, Stop expecting the media to raise your kids and teach them right from wrong yourself. 'Oh John Terry's gonna inspire my kid to do bad' 'Manhunt turned my kid into a killer' 'This film's currupted my child' SHUT THE ***** UP PARENTS OF THE WORLD. I can't stand scapegoating, If a kid does wrong then chances are it's the parent's fault for *****ing them up not anybody else's so that POS excuse can get out.


edit Seems the consensus of opinion in the UK is that JT got just what he deserved so luckily your attitudes are in the minority. JT even shagged Orlaith when his wife was pregnant - what a gent! And he's got a major fraud charge to answer next week! (waits for shrieks of "it's all lies I tell you":joker:) Oh and by the way Bridge and several other team members told Capello they had lost all respect for JT and didnt want him as captain (The Sunday Times today). Or do you only believe news stories that support your version of the truth? Seemingly though, even if you acknowledge its all true, you don't think any of it matters??? No wonder this country is in the sh*t.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If Children don't know what he does off the pitch is wrong then the parents have done something incredibly wrong, Stop expecting the media to raise your kids and teach them right from wrong yourself. 'Oh John Terry's gonna inspire my kid to do bad' 'Manhunt turned my kid into a killer' 'This film's currupted my child' SHUT THE ***** UP PARENTS OF THE WORLD. I can't stand scapegoating, If a kid does wrong then chances are it's the parent's fault for *****ing them up not anybody else's so that POS excuse can get out.

perhaps if you have children, which i know is unlikely, you may change your minority opinion?

[Tom4784]

What a thoroughly charming person you are, your parents must be so proud:rolleyes: Seems the consensus of opinion in the UK is that JT got just what he deserved so luckily your attitudes are in the minority. JT even shagged Orlaith when his wife was pregnant - what a gent! And he's got a major fraud charge to answer next week! (waits for shrieks of "it's all lies I tell you":joker:) Oh and by the way Bridge and several other team members told Capello they had lost all respect for JT and didnt want him as captain (The Sunday Times today). Or do you only believe news stories that support your version of the truth? Seemingly though, even if you acknowledge its all true, you don't think any of it matters??? No wonder this country is in the sh*t.

Personal attacks, lovely. My parents are proud, I know my own mind and don't suck up everything I read as truth and I don't need to blame others for stuff going wrong in my own life.

WHY should I care what some footballer does off the pitch? It doesn't affect me in any way and I'm not nosey enough to give a *****. As long as he breaks no laws he can do what he likes and I won't care, it doesn't change my life in any major way and neither does it yours. NOBODY in the England team is a role model, very few footballers are. They've all been involved in scandals so excuse me If I don't see them as role models. I'm not sticking up for him I'm just saying I don't care about him off the pitch.

After all that vitriol you've aimed at me for having an opinion, well you must be a paragon of Humanity.

[Tom4784]

perhaps if you have children, which i know is unlikely, you may change your minority opinion?

I don't and I wouldn't. You should never look to mould your life after someone else, Take inspiriations from their proffessional lives yes (I look upto a lot of people in my own field but I don't live my life by them). I'll tell my kids exactly the same thing, carve your own path in life.

[Stacey.]

perhaps if you have children, which i know is unlikely, you may change your minority opinion?

but, you cant exactly say: 'oh, my child behaves the way he does, because of John Terry!'
:laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't and I wouldn't. You should never look to mould your life after someone else, Take inspiriations from their proffessional lives yes (I look upto a lot of people in my own field but I don't live my life by them). I'll tell my kids exactly the same thing, carve your own path in life.

lol

like your children would listen to what you say

(big shock in life ahead)

[Tom4784]

but, you cant exactly say: 'oh, my child behaves the way he does, because of John Terry!'
:laugh2:

That's my point, too many parents in this day and age expect the media to raise their kids. Blaming it or it's products for their kids problems when really they should look closer to home and take responsibility.

[Tom4784]

lol

like your children would listen to what you say

(big shock in life ahead)

You can only ever hope they will, I'm not naive.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is about what Terry represents. As captain he represents the FA, the sponsors, the people who buy tickets to watch the team. He represents the manager.

The people above do not want this immature, poorly educated, spineless cheat as their representative.

[Alf]

What a thoroughly charming person you are, your parents must be so proud:rolleyes: Seems the consensus of opinion in the UK is that JT got just what he deserved so luckily your attitudes are in the minority. JT even shagged Orlaith when his wife was pregnant - what a gent! And he's got a major fraud charge to answer next week! (waits for shrieks of "it's all lies I tell you":joker:) Oh and by the way Bridge and several other team members told Capello they had lost all respect for JT and didnt want him as captain (The Sunday Times today). Or do you only believe news stories that support your version of the truth? Seemingly though, even if you acknowledge its all true, you don't think any of it matters??? No wonder this country is in the sh*t.
i dont care, i've got my own life to live
he hasn't killed or raped anybody, so i have no problem with him
whats he done to you, that you are so upset about? does his affair really affect YOU that much? so much so that you want him lynched?

get your head out of the clouds, and come in to the real world

[Tom4784]

It is about what Terry represents. As captain he represents the FA, the sponsors, the people who buy tickets to watch the team. He represents the manager.

The people above do not want this immature, poorly educated, spineless cheat as their representative.

Fair point but for me personally I find it hard to care about what they do off the pitch.

[Alf]

The people above do not want this immature, poorly educated, spineless cheat as their representative.
agree, davina should be sacked

[Alf]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6409201/Aviva-boss-Andrew-Moss-admits-affair-with-colleagues-wife.html

have a go at this bloke (Andrew moss) instead, or is he not the fassion?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6409201/Aviva-boss-Andrew-Moss-admits-affair-with-colleagues-wife.html

have a go at this bloke (Andrew moss) instead, or is he not the fassion?

to compare a insurance company with the England national team is silly

[Alf]

to compare a insurance company with the England national team is silly
i'm not comparing the company, i'm comparing the company boss, who earns much more money than john terry, if john terry has to be a role model in his chosen proffesion dont you think it's only right this company boss should be a role model in his?

that message says to kids, dont become a pro footballer or we'll hound you and dig up dirt about you, you will live life like an amateur monk or have your personal life in all the main news stories and judged by a nation who dont even know you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i'm not comparing the company, i'm comparing the company boss, who earns much more money than john terry, if john terry has to be a role model in his chosen proffesion dont you think it's only right this company boss should be a role model in his?

that message says to kids, dont become a pro footballer or we'll hound you and dig up dirt about you, you will live life like an amateur monk or have your personal life in all the main news stories and judged by a nation who dont even know you.

football players earn their money from the people who read tabloids and therefore will also be judged and juried by them as well. quid pro quo.

[Alf]

football players earn their money from the people who read tabloids and therefore will also be judged and juried by them as well. quid pro quo.
so footballers dont earn their money for playing football?
time for your medication bud

[Crimson Dynamo]

so footballers dont earn their money for playing football?
time for your medication bud

they earn the money they do because of the interest by punters on the terraces and on tv. the league they play in is key. Plenty folks play football in the UK and no one pays them.

put JT in defence for Wealdstone FC and see how much he earns.

[Dr.Gonzo]

He's a footballer, not a role model. That isn't to say that footballers can't be role models, but this one isn't... clearly.

[Angus]

He's a footballer, not a role model. That isn't to say that footballers can't be role models, but this one isn't... clearly.

This post is the epitome of axiomatic! :hugesmile:

[WOMBAI]

It's ridiculous that he's been sacked really, he's obviously the best man for the job and he's only gone because of useless parents bitching about the non-existent effects he'll have on their *****ed up children. Footballers, celebrities and the media aren't responsible for raising your children and if they can't tell that cheating ain't right by themselves sorry but you've *****ed up majorly and no amount of scapegoating of John Terry is gonna fix it.

He's a footballer at the end of the day that's all we should care about, would you stop shopping at a shop because the owner had an affair? Would you stop going to a hairdresser because he had an affair? You wouldn't so why is everyone being so contradictory here?

I reject the whole idea of role models, you can't model your life on someone else because no one is perfect and plus it's such a messed up ideal at a basic level. I can understand admiring someone on a proffessional level but expecting them to lead their life with no mistakes is *****ed up.

I'd love to know who's gonna take over really, will it be prostitute loving Rooney? how about that pair of sex tape stars that is Gerrard and Ferdinand? All the team's done wrong so anyone who takes his place for me will be a contradictory decision.

Either way shaking up the team like that, we can forget about the world cup again. Thanks interfering blame shifting parents and trashy tabloids!

Disagree! Nobody is trying to stop him being a footballer, just team captain, which is clearly a role he is not suited to! Anybody in a management role, and the additional salary and other benefits that go with it, is expected to maintain a higher level of self-control and general conduct - it goes with the job. Anyone not prepared to accept that responsibility should not expect such a position. Yes, he is just a footballer - just not a team captain!

And according to your views - John Terry's parents ****ed up big time! :hugesmile:

[WOMBAI]

I think you missed Stacey's point completely there. Doesnt it take two to tango?

That is a point I have been trying to make on this forum for some time now! But it appears that it only applies when the male has behaved in such a way - as far as Tibb forum members are concerned anyway! :hugesmile:

[Angus]

i dont care, i've got my own life to live
he hasn't killed or raped anybody, so i have no problem with him
whats he done to you, that you are so upset about? does his affair really affect YOU that much? so much so that you want him lynched?

get your head out of the clouds, and come in to the real world


Well obviously more people care, than don't care which is why he is sacked, so perhaps WE are the ones actually living in the real world, and not some fantasy creation in the minds of inarticulate thick chavs who have become overhyped, overpaid, footballers who think they can get away with anything, and the fans who excuse their fraudulent and sleazy behaviour. And please don't put words in my mouth - I didn't want him lynched, just stripped of the captaincy, and, hey ho, JOB DONE!

[arista]

He's a footballer, not a role model. That isn't to say that footballers can't be role models, but this one isn't... clearly.



Sure but the Shareholders
Money is above Terry.

[Angus]

Personal attacks, lovely. My parents are proud, I know my own mind and don't suck up everything I read as truth and I don't need to blame others for stuff going wrong in my own life.

WHY should I care what some footballer does off the pitch? It doesn't affect me in any way and I'm not nosey enough to give a *****. As long as he breaks no laws he can do what he likes and I won't care, it doesn't change my life in any major way and neither does it yours. NOBODY in the England team is a role model, very few footballers are. They've all been involved in scandals so excuse me If I don't see them as role models. I'm not sticking up for him I'm just saying I don't care about him off the pitch.

After all that vitriol you've aimed at me for having an opinion, well you must be a paragon of Humanity.

Well actually Terry has committed fraud for which he will be answering next week when the sh*t hits the fan, and which was probably the deciding factor for Capello and why it took only 12 minutes for him to tell Terry to get lost. Last time I looked Fraud was still a criminal offence.:hugesmile:

[Vicky.]

I think you missed Stacey's point completely there. Doesnt it take two to tango?

That is a point I have been trying to make on this forum for some time now! But it appears that it only applies when the male has behaved in such a way - as far as Tibb forum members are concerned anyway! :hugesmile:

Yeah...but your last point is slightly off...people are blaming Terry, and NOT the woman here. You would have a point about the terrible sexism on here, if people were blaming her for everything...but she hasnt even been mentioned really. And...surprisingly, you havent either...where if SHE had got the blame, you would be all 'but JT is in the wrong too!'

[Tom4784]

Well actually Terry has committed fraud for which he will be answering next week when the sh*t hits the fan, and which was probably the deciding factor for Capello and why it took only 12 minutes for him to tell Terry to get lost. Last time I looked Fraud was still a criminal offence.:hugesmile:

Okay I didn't know that, the courts decide ultimately on that matter.

[Alf]

Disagree! Nobody is trying to stop him being a footballer, just team captain, which is clearly a role he is not suited to! Anybody in a management role, and the additional salary and other benefits that go with it, is expected to maintain a highter level of self-control and general conduct - it goes with the job. Anyone not prepared to accept that responsibility should not expect such a position. Yes, he is just a footballer - just not a team captain!

And according to your views - John Terry's parents ****ed up big time! :hugesmile:
the fact of the matter is that he is suited to having the captains role, he's the best man for the job, any body that knows anything about football (not the media circus) football, will say the same.

it's so funny that these types of story's always come out as we're prepering for a major tournament, david beckham (the then england captain) and rebecca loos, sven goran ericsson (the then england manager) and faria allen come to mind, ***** the football fans, the media have got what they wanted,
they'll be praying for us fail in south africa, because they feed of negativity, and people who cant think for themselfs buy into it.

[Alf]

Well obviously more people care, than don't care which is why he is sacked, so perhaps WE are the ones actually living in the real world, and not some fantasy creation in the minds of inarticulate thick chavs who have become overhyped, overpaid, footballers who think they can get away with anything, and the fans who excuse their fraudulent and sleazy behaviour. And please don't put words in my mouth - I didn't want him lynched, just stripped of the captaincy, and, hey ho, JOB DONE!
tell me what difference john terry being england captain or not makes to your life?

[Angus]

Yeah...but your last point is slightly off...people are blaming Terry, and NOT the woman here. You would have a point about the terrible sexism on here, if people were blaming her for everything...but she hasnt even been mentioned really. And...surprisingly, you havent either...where if SHE had got the blame, you would be all 'but JT is in the wrong too!'

With all due respect I think the thread is about whether JT should retain the captaincy. Vanessa whatshername is a well known slag wag who makes the rounds of the Chelsea team (and probably the program sellers and ground staff as well!) and yes, of course, she has some blame in all of this, but JT is a married man, with two children, awarded Father of the Year last year (LOL) and Captaincy of the England Team, whilst all the time bedding her and according to new revelations several other women, including Orlaith from BB!:shocked: He wasn't sacked just for his whoring around, but also because of alleged fraud charges to be levied against him shortly, of which Capello would have been made aware and which probably guided his decision.

[Vicky.]

With all due respect I think the thread is about whether JT should retain the captaincy.

Oh I know that. Just pointing out the LACK of sexism in this thread. Thats all :laugh:

[Angus]

tell me what difference john terry being england captain or not makes to your life?


I've already explained in great detail on this thread why I didn't want Terry to retain the captaincy, and it seems the majority of people agree with my viewpoint, else he would still be Captain.
So let's turn that around, what difference does Terry being captain make to YOUR life? If the captaincy doesn't warrant a decent, moral, honest man, then why do you care who has it?

[Angus]

Oh I know that. Just pointing out the LACK of sexism in this thread. Thats all :laugh:

No, I quite agree that the vitriol is sometimes unjustifiably all one way. I totally agree it takes two to tango and this is a case in point, but Terry didn't consider the consequences at all and still went ahead and did it. I feel for his wife and kids.

[Angus]

the fact of the matter is that he is suited to having the captains role, he's the best man for the job, any body that knows anything about football (not the media circus) football, will say the same.

it's so funny that these types of story's always come out as we're prepering for a major tournament, david beckham (the then england captain) and rebecca loos, sven goran ericsson (the then england manager) and faria allen come to mind, ***** the football fans, the media have got what they wanted,
they'll be praying for us fail in south africa, because they feed of negativity, and people who cant think for themselfs buy into it.

You will by now be aware that he is involved in fraud and may be charged next week? So it is not all just about his whoring around. If you're fine with his lack of morality and decency, okay, but if he is embroiled in a fraud case, that is a criminal offence, and Capello will have taken that into account when he stripped him of the captaincy.

[Alf]

I've already explained in great detail on this thread why I didn't want Terry to retain the captaincy, and it seems the majority of people agree with my viewpoint, else he would still be Captain.
So let's turn that around, what difference does Terry being captain make to YOUR life? If the captaincy doesn't warrant a decent, moral, honest man, then why do you care who has it?
because before i die i want to see england win the world cup, they'll do that by having the best players doing their jobs, john terry's job being captain, just like he has been the captain through all the qualifying stages.

now i'll try to make the question easier for you this time
i dont want to know what you want, i want to know what difference it makes to your life?

[Angus]

Okay I didn't know that, the courts decide ultimately on that matter.

No probs, and if I offended you earlier, I apologise. I think Wombai put it better by pointing out that Terry's own behaviour would, by your yardstick, be a result of his upbringing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

bit off topic but

arsenal?



its over. go home.

[Angus]

because before i die i want to see england win the world cup, they'll do that by having the best players doing their jobs, john terry's job being captain, just like he has been the captain through all the qualifying stages.

now i'll try to make the question easier for you this time
i dont want to know what you want, i want to know what difference it makes to your life?

Well I don't have that pressure on me, wanting to see England win the World Cup before I die, because I was there in 1966 and have already seen them win it, best World Cup Squad ever, and I will NEVER forget it. Few England Captains since can live up to Bobby Moore so I guess this must be a generational thing. The way that football has gone, from being something you did for love of the game, to just a money spinning profession, is what is wrong with the game now.

JT is just one member of the squad, and too much has been invested in him, just as it was in Beckham, who, despite everyone's hopes and dreams, *****ed up our best chance of lifting the cup again in 1998 when he got himself sent off against Argentina, because he acted like a petulant prima donna in his role as England Captain. He always promised much but ultimately delivered nothing, and what's more *****ed it up for the other team members, some of whom were too old to have another chance of playing in a World Cup Squad.

So the nitty gritty is that JT NOT still being Captain means a lot to me, because it shows that there are still SOME standards left in football, a game I have loved since I was a kid.

[Alf]

Well I don't have that pressure on me, wanting to see England win the World Cup before I die, because I was there in 1966 and have already seen them win it, best World Cup Squad ever, and I will NEVER forget it. Few England Captains since can live up to Bobby Moore so I guess this must be a generational thing. The way that football has gone, from being something you did for love of the game, to just a money spinning profession, is what is wrong with the game now.

JT is just one member of the squad, and too much has been invested in him, just as it was in Beckham, who, despite everyone's hopes and dreams, *****ed up our best chance of lifting the cup again in 1998 when he got himself sent off against Argentina, because he acted like a petulant prima donna in his role as England Captain. He always promised much but ultimately delivered nothing, and what's more *****ed it up for the other team members, some of whom were too old to have another chance of playing in a World Cup Squad.

So the nitty gritty is that JT NOT still being Captain means a lot to me, because it shows that there are still SOME standards left in football, a game I have loved since I was a kid.
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[Angus]

look in at your local kids and enjoy your alcohol
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Great video clip! Now that's what you call an England Captain - out on the town with his OWN wife! My, my how times have changed.

[Angus]

Because it is pretty rare on this forum for a man to be held accountable for his sexual exploits - well overdue! And ironically - many of those still trying to defend him - are the very same ones that judged and villified Katia for her misdemeanors! Just proves my point!


Double standards do exist, that's true, and there are probably more male *****s than female ones. With Katya what got me was her dumping Jonas, then getting back in his bed once she was nominated. Unfortunately, just as in this present debate, some women still see themselves simply as an appendage to some rich and/or famous man. Those women do the rest of us a disservice because until women cease to be seen principally as just sex objects rather than one half of the human race, sexism will always rear its ugly head.

[Alf]

Great video clip! Now that's what you call an England Captain - out on the town with his OWN wife! My, my how times have changed.
yeah his first wife, the mother of his kids, who he divorced

[Angus]

yeah his first wife, the mother of his kids, who he divorced

That's right, they divorced in 1985 (after 25 years of marriage) several years after he had retired from football. And your point is?

[Alf]

That's right, they divorced in 1985 (after 25 years of marriage) several years after he had retired from football. And your point is?
people can do their jobs to the best standards and still have a personal life that has nothing to do with us

[Angus]

people can do their jobs to the best standards and still have a personal life that has nothing to do with us

Bobby Moore's personal life never impinged on his footballing career and, more importantly on his position as England Captain. He was always a highly respected player AND he delivered the goods.

[Tom4784]

Because it is pretty rare on this forum for a man to be held accountable for his sexual exploits - well overdue! And ironically - many of those still trying to defend him - are the very same ones that judged and villified Katia for her misdemeanors! Just proves my point!

I only villified Katia for selling her story, I couldn't have given a ***** about anything else she did so once again, great job you're wrong again.

[Alf]

your determined to have the last word
ok you win

[Tom4784]

No probs, and if I offended you earlier, I apologise. I think Wombai put it better by pointing out that Terry's own behaviour would, by your yardstick, be a result of his upbringing.

Thanks, my main argument in this thread has really been less about Terry and more about the idea of enforcing the role of Role Model upon someone. Kids shouldn't need a Role model to teach them right from wrong because that's the parent's job and I think it's wrong for people to expect a person in the media to hold that responsibility. Media and the people in it are used as a scapegoats for parental shortcomings too much these days.

When it comes to John Terry, I actually haven't commented much on what he's done because it doesn't really interest me but I disagree that his upbringing's to blame actually. I think that only holds water when the person is still young and doesn't know better as you grow older you should know better by yourself. My upbringing was good but it wasn't perfect yet I had the moment of realisation of what went wrong at points and changed by myself in my life. I don't know if I'm making much sense but basically he's old enough to know better.

That being said he's still one of the best players we have and is an important part of the national team.

[Shasown]

Well actually Terry has committed fraud for which he will be answering next week when the sh*t hits the fan, and which was probably the deciding factor for Capello and why it took only 12 minutes for him to tell Terry to get lost. Last time I looked Fraud was still a criminal offence.:hugesmile:

Again a premature accusation, according to newspaper reports he MAY have commited Fraud. Just because it is reported in a paper you read, doesnt make it fact. As for Fraud being a criminal offence, is it? Not if you are an MP stealing public funds through the expense form.

Maybe Capello did take it into account, maybe he didnt, maybe it was the only consideration he took before asking Terry to turn his armband in. Who knows, you certainly dont, yet you insist on shouting the odds for the "majority of people".

To be quite frank I would say most people either support him as captain or couldnt give a monkeys either way, otherwise they would have been organising protest marches, the letters columns of newspapers would have been full of letters complaining about Terry's actions.

Well obviously more people care, than don't care which is why he is sacked,

I would say more people care about MP's expenses and the way they appear to be getting let off rather than John Terry's personal life. But the media once again like certain commentators appear to be awfully upset about JT and his private life, maybe its because the big let off over expenses is a done deal and throwing dirt at JT is something they reckon they can force down our throats and actually show the "power of the press" to us sheep.

The sheer volume of postings on said subject, the anger behind said postings and some of your comments in general leave me wondering what if anything happened in your private life to be so set against a sportsman dipping his wick?

[Angus]

Thanks, my main argument in this thread has really been less about Terry and more about the idea of enforcing the role of Role Model upon someone. Kids shouldn't need a Role model to teach them right from wrong because that's the parent's job and I think it's wrong for people to expect a person in the media to hold that responsibility. Media and the people in it are used as a scapegoats for parental shortcomings too much these days.

When it comes to John Terry, I actually haven't commented much on what he's done because it doesn't really interest me but I disagree that his upbringing's to blame actually. I think that only holds water when the person is still young and doesn't know better as you grow older you should know better by yourself. My upbringing was good but it wasn't perfect yet I had the moment of realisation of what went wrong at points and changed by myself in my life. I don't know if I'm making much sense but basically he's old enough to know better.

That being said he's still one of the best players we have and is an important part of the national team.

As far as everyone's aware, JT has only been stripped of his captaincy, and it is more than likely that Capello will take the pragmatic view and he will still be playing in the WC since he IS a fine footballer. I guess it all depends on what further revelations there will be in the coming week(s) especially if JT is involved in fraud.

I can't comment on Terry's home upbringing but I know he went to Chelsea at age 14 under their youth scheme and they must take part of any blame that attaches to the way he's turned out - a fine footballer maybe, a leader yes, but clearly lacking in loyalty and team spirit if he could so selfishly cause so much disruption in the WC squad.

I don't think Terry seriously thought he would be stripped of the captaincy which is why he spent so much money buying silence from Vanessa (and others), and that it would all blow over. He has also shown himself to be extremely dishonest in some of his financial dealings. Ordinarily things that happen in someone's personal life are of no consequence to anyone else, but Terry must have known that the things he were doing, if ever discovered, WOULD affect the public's perception of him (especially important to his sponsors whose products he promotes to sell to those who look up to him) and his team members, since it was a betrayal of loyalty and trust. Bridge isn't the only team member who didn't want him to retain the captaincy because he had "lost all respect for him".

As I've said in another post, it must be a generational thing, because I can remember WC squads who were considered heroes, and whose players were never embroiled in seedy scandals, and played the game primarily for the love of it. I know those days are gone, but I don't think it's too much to expect players to remember they are in the NATIONAL team and are ambassadors for England so that their behaviour will be scrutinised and criticised world wide.

[Angus]

Again a premature accusation, according to newspaper reports he MAY have commited Fraud. Just because it is reported in a paper you read, doesnt make it fact. As for Fraud being a criminal offence, is it? Not if you are an MP stealing public funds through the expense form.

Maybe Capello did take it into account, maybe he didnt, maybe it was the only consideration he took before asking Terry to turn his armband in. Who knows, you certainly dont, yet you insist on shouting the odds for the "majority of people".

To be quite frank I would say most people either support him as captain or couldnt give a monkeys either way, otherwise they would have been organising protest marches, the letters columns of newspapers would have been full of letters complaining about Terry's actions.



I would say more people care about MP's expenses and the way they appear to be getting let off rather than John Terry's personal life. But the media once again like certain commentators appear to be awfully upset about JT and his private life, maybe its because the big let off over expenses is a done deal and throwing dirt at JT is something they reckon they can force down our throats and actually show the "power of the press" to us sheep.

The sheer volume of postings on said subject, the anger behind said postings and some of your comments in general leave me wondering what if anything happened in your private life to be so set against a sportsman dipping his wick?


Well we will have to agree to differ on this one. If you cannot see why Terry's behaviour has caused so much disgust and anger nationwide, then clearly you are one of the people happy to condone and excuse such behaviour based on your own life experiences. I do not want Terry representing England as Captain in a world competition where the England Team are ambassadors for this country. Simple really. If Chelsea want him as captain that's fine by me- I couldn't give a toss, I don't support Chelsea and they can field as many morally bankrupt players they like.

As regards your attempting to deflect attention away from TERRY's wrongdoings by introducing MPs expenses scandal as an example, several MPs will be prosecuted shortly for fraud if they can't find a way of invoking parliamentary privilege. Unfortunatey for Terry he has found out there is no such thing as sporting privilege. Terry has found out that the public is unforgiving about its national sporting heroes who are expected to behave appropriately, especially if they are REPRESENTING THEIR COUNTRY.

As regards my private life, it is just that, "private" and ordinary probably like yours and millions of other people. I'm sure plenty has happened in your life that has shaped and formed your opinions and views, but that is YOUR business after all and doesn't affect me in the slightest.

Terry can go dip his wick, as you put it, wherever he likes but NOT when it impinges on the cohesion and wellbeing of the World Cup team. I have been vociferous about him being stripped of the captaincy for reasons I have expounded at length on this thread (WHICH IS MY PEROGATIVE), realistically I understand that Capello will probably still include him in the squad, and being a pragmatist I accept that. But the degree and level of protest against JT has been fully justified and what's more, SUCCESSFUL. Capello has earned my respect by finally telling arrogant Terry "BASTA".

I will post as much as I like on any subject I wish to and, here's news, will not be running it by you first for permission. You have the choice to read my postings or not just as I can bypass anything you post if I wish!:wavey:

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Nahh.
like, it takes 2 people to have an affair.
It wasnt all his fault!
if she didnt want it, then why didnt she stop it? :shrug:

Thats irrelavent, the pair of them are both to blame, Ive never doubted it, its the so what attitude! Like its par for the course, its perfectly fine to shag yer best mates girlfriend/your blokes mate and ruin your partners life/your kids lives! I can see the argument that why should it affect your job etc, thats fair enough but the geezers lost respect from his England team mates and they dont want him as captain, we've got a world cup to win, we need team cohesion! ...not to mention the public generally who dont want him representing their country

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Thats irrelavent, the pair of them are both to blame, Ive never doubted it, its the so what attitude! Like its par for the course, its perfectly fine to shag yer best mates girlfriend/your blokes mate and ruin your partners life/your kids lives! I can see the argument that why should it affect your job etc, thats fair enough but the geezers lost respect from his England team mates and they dont want him as captain, we've got a world cup to win, we need team cohesion! ...not to mention the public generally who dont want him representing their country

Exactly! THAT is why he is no longer Captain:wavey:

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Terry has found out that the public is unforgiving about its national sporting heroes who are expected to behave appropriately, especially if they are REPRESENTING THEIR COUNTRY.

Terry can go dip his wick, as you put it, wherever he likes but NOT when it impinges on the cohesion and wellbeing of the World Cup team. I have been vociferous about him being stripped of the captaincy for reasons I have expounded at length on this thread (WHICH IS MY PEROGATIVE), realistically I understand that Capello will probably still include him in the squad, and being a pragmatist I accept that. But the degree and level of protest against JT has been fully justified and what's more, SUCCESSFUL. Capello has earned my respect by finally telling arrogant Terry "BASTA".


Yeah got to love it.

So now if we dont do well in the World Cup Finals, it will all be John Terry's fault. Nothing to do with the press going out on a witchhunt as they always do. Couldnt the revelations have waited until after the World Cup or do you feel we really needed to know especially in the final few months leading into the competition where building cohesion in the team is a vital factor?

Incidentally talking about examples and role models, what a squeaky clean replacement for John Terry that Ferdinand bloke is, nothing hidden away in his life for the press to rip into, is there? Oops putting to one side, the drunken driving, failing to undertake mandatory drug testing, roastings, sex videos, unsportsmanlike conduct. Isnt he on a three match ban for violent conduct? Now there is a role model for our youngsters, if the games not going the way you want it, lash out and attempt to injure someone.

Then to compound it and show what a gracious sportsman you are appeal the decision, in order to be allowed to play in an important match while your appeal sits waiting to be heard. And earn yourself another match ban for a frivolous appeal.

A fine role model for the youth of today.

[Angus]

Yeah got to love it.

So now if we dont do well in the World Cup Finals, it will all be John Terry's fault. Nothing to do with the press going out on a witchhunt as they always do. Couldnt the revelations have waited until after the World Cup or do you feel we really needed to know especially in the final few months leading into the competition where building cohesion in the team is a vital factor?

Incidentally talking about examples and role models, what a squeaky clean replacement for John Terry that Ferdinand bloke is, nothing hidden away in his life for the press to rip into, is there? Oops putting to one side, the drunken driving, failing to undertake mandatory drug testing, roastings, sex videos, unsportsmanlike conduct. Isnt he on a three match ban for violent conduct? Now there is a role model for our youngsters, if the games not going the way you want it, lash out and attempt to injure someone.

Then to compound it and show what a gracious sportsman you are appeal the decision, in order to be allowed to play in an important match while your appeal sits waiting to be heard. And earn yourself another match ban for a frivolous appeal.

A fine role model for the youth of today.

It just goes to show what a state football is in if Ferdinand is the best replacement Capello has but at least Rio hasn't shagged the wife, GF or Ex GF of a fellow England Team member and a close personal friend.

JT, and only JT, is responsible for his own shoddy behaviour, and the newspapers are not there to do him any favours if he is providing them with such juicy material to print. Clearly JT thought he could buy everyone off and gag the papers, and he probably thought he'd get a slap on the wrist from Capello and that would be the end of it. So if he's too dimwitted and arrogant to have foreseen the consequences of his own actions, not just to his family, but to his friends and team mates, he has only himself to blame for the fallout, including taking his share of the blame for jeopardising England's chances in the World Cup.

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It just goes to show what a state football is in if Ferdinand is the best replacement Capello has but at least Rio hasn't shagged the wife, GF or Ex GF of a fellow England Team member and a close personal friend.

Who says he hasnt?

Does the state of football or rather of certain players not mirror society in general.


Clearly JT thought he could buy everyone off and gag the papers, and he probably thought he'd get a slap on the wrist from Capello and that would be the end of it. So if he's too dimwitted and arrogant to have foreseen the consequences of his own actions, not just to his family, but to his friends and team mates, he has only himself to blame for the fallout, including taking his share of the blame for jeopardising England's chances in the World Cup.

Buy everyone off, oh you mean it's been reported he must have paid her shush money, well in that case that must be true as well.

It would be even funnier if one of the rags printed that his wife didnt mind him playing hide Mr Wobbly with other women because he has a high sex drive and she has a low one eh? I wonder what the real truth behind it all is. I doubt we will ever know.

[Angus]

Who says he hasnt?

Does the state of football or rather of certain players not mirror society in general.




Buy everyone off, oh you mean it's been reported he must have paid her shush money, well in that case that must be true as well.

It would be even funnier if one of the rags printed that his wife didnt mind him playing hide Mr Wobbly with other women because he has a high sex drive and she has a low one eh? I wonder what the real truth behind it all is. I doubt we will ever know.


Hmm, so are YOU are saying that NOTHING printed in the papers is true, unless of course it reflects something you agree with maybe? An irrelevant question really, since it was also reported on the news and in every single newspaper, not just the rubbish tabloids.

As for JT's long suffering wife, she may well decide to stay with him because after all he's minted isn't he? But even if SHE is quite happy for him to play hunt the sausage, what's that got to do with the impact his actions have had on the team?

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[QUOTE=angus58;2965261]but at least Rio hasn't shagged the wife, GF or Ex GF of a fellow England Team member and a close personal friend.

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and you know that for a fact do you?

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Hmm, so are YOU are saying that NOTHING printed in the papers is true, unless of course it reflects something you agree with maybe? An irrelevant question really, since it was also reported on the news and in every single newspaper, not just the rubbish tabloids.

As for JT's long suffering wife, she may well decide to stay with him because after all he's minted isn't he? But even if SHE is quite happy for him to play hunt the sausage, what's that got to do with the impact his actions have had on the team?

Thats not what I am saying at all. Regardless of the information available to any reporter, the story will often be slanted in some ways due to editorial restrictions. You will of course notice that certain newspapers have been leading the story and most others have simply reported on "further allegations" in the John Terry story. Why do you think they use the term "allegations"? There are a lot of allegations made against him and no doubt a lot more will follow over the next few days, unless of course the press find a new whipping boy.

There are obviously some truths in what has been alleged, but there is probably a lot of rubbish in it too. Maybe after the World Cup is over he may decide to tell (oops or should I say sell) his side of the story. You could infer by attempting to extend the injunction on the story being told he is showing himself to be guilty, one could also infer he wanted to keep it quiet for team morale etc.

Further revelations about Vanessa Perroncel‎'s apparent liking for Chelsea football players appear to be flavour of the week.

My mind keeps rolling back to the days when Piers Morgan was editor in chief of the Mirror and his subsequent rapid removal from his post. There was some truth in the lead story of the time but most of the evidence was made up in the mirror copy room and photo suite. Consequently when the actual truth came out Piers left the building.

[Angus]

[QUOTE=angus58;2965261]but at least Rio hasn't shagged the wife, GF or Ex GF of a fellow England Team member and a close personal friend.

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and you know that for a fact do you?

Not at all, but unless someone has some proveable information (as in JT's case) about Rio's sexploits with an England team mate's gf, ex gf or wife they would like to share, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

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I can't believe people are still waffling about this. Do you honestly think Capello is the kind of man to demote a player simply because of rumours and gossip? He made the right decision based on what's best for the team and he's not one to avoid backing a player if he thinks he's been unfairly treated. Game over. Stop talking about it for feck sake.