Does sexuality exist?

[Jack_]

Okay, controversial topic...but an interesting one, nonetheless.

I'm starting to believe everybody has a preference as to which gender they prefer, but, as everybody can find anybody physically attractive, there is still the potential there for you to fall in love with them, rendering orientation non-existant. This might make things difficult when it comes to a sexual relationship, of course, but the potential is still there. What do you think?

Is sexuality just a way of dividing and seperating people, and giving people opportunities to discriminate others, or not?

[Smithy]

Is this you coming out Jack?

[arista]

"Is sexuality just a way of dividing and seperating people, and giving people opportunities to discriminate others, or not? "


Of Course it is to Many
Like Church Nutters see Gays as Illegal.

Some are Bible Freaks on this Good Site.

[_Seth]

If there are two straight men who are good looking, they can both admit that the other one's good looking without wanting to shag them. :)

It does exist.

[arista]

Is this you coming out Jack?

He is looking around as there are so many types of folks.

The Worst ones are the Church Folks.

[Stu]

Of course it exists, just not for everyone.

[_Seth]

It only doesn't exist for pansexuals.

[Fom]

Of course it does, to some people it doesn't. Usually bi-sexuals/pan-sexuals.

[Enid]

Sexual orientation shouldn't exist. Sexuality is just one way of defining you are and what you prefer. We all have our preferences. There's no reason why we should all belong in different groups.

[Jack_]

Is this you coming out Jack?

I've always (well, I say always, the last couple of months) been open about it on here. :joker:

[Ninastar]

As we get older, more people will accept it and more people will realize that its okay to be gay and people (esp boys) will realise its okay to think people of the opposite sex are good looking.

[Jack_]

"Is sexuality just a way of dividing and seperating people, and giving people opportunities to discriminate others, or not? "


Of Course it is to Many
Like Church Nutters see Gays as Illegal.

Some are Bible Freaks on this Good Site.

:laugh2:

It's hate the sin, not the sinner though, isn't it?

Sexual orientation shouldn't exist. Sexuality is just one way of defining you are and what you prefer. We all have our preferences. There's no reason why we should all belong in different groups.

Yeah, exactly. This is my point really. Preference exists, just not a 'defined' orientation.

[arista]

Of course it exists, just not for everyone.

True out in Ireland
Gays have to hide.

[Stu]

Sexual orientation shouldn't exist. Sexuality is just one way of defining you are and what you prefer. We all have our preferences. There's no reason why we should all belong in different groups.
It's just for ease of communication. Some people only like women. Some people only like men. Some people like both. These are facts. Isn't that what sexuality is?

[Stu]

True out in Ireland
Gays have to hide.
Bollocks. Please take you abysmal cultural stereotypes and piss off, will you?

:laugh2:

It's hate the sin, not the sinner though, isn't it?



Yeah, exactly. This is my point really. Preference exists, just not a 'defined' orientation.
But preference is sexuality. That's ... what it is?

[InOne]

True out in Ireland
Gays have to hide.

It's not the 50's arista lol

[Smithy]

I've always (well, I say always, the last couple of months) been open about it on here. :joker:

so yes?

[arista]

It's hate the sin, not the sinner though, isn't it?

No Jack
these Crazy Bible Freaks call them Sinners and want them Removed.

Pop out to Ireland
Church is Power out there.

[_Seth]

Ireland is homophobic? I wanted to live there. :(

[Jack_]

so yes?

Yes...many months ago. :tongue:

But 'out' only on here mind you.

[arista]

It's not the 50's arista lol


But all the Same
Gay Irish
are hidden more in Ireland.


They are Bible Nutters.

Utter Fact.

[Stu]

It's hate the sin, not the sinner though, isn't it?

No Jack
these Crazy Bible Freaks call them Sinners and want them Removed.

Pop out to Ireland
Church is Power out there.
Not true. The church may have a hand in the state and the education system but the influence they have on ordinary folk is nought. The Irish are no more homophobic than the British as far as silly, sweeping statements go. You will get Bible freaks everywhere.

Gay's don't have to hide in Ireland nor are we a race of Bible nutters. You really show yourself up for the closeted, ignorant person you are when it comes to talking about anything outside your own country.

[arista]

Ireland is homophobic? I wanted to live there. :(


Visit that Evil Bible Land
first.

[Captain.Remy]

Sexual orientation shouldn't exist. Sexuality is just one way of defining you are and what you prefer. We all have our preferences. There's no reason why we should all belong in different groups.

But on a sociological aspect, having preferences lands to forming groups between people. It's just natural for people who like the same thing to gather together. So who says "preferences" cannot escape the notion of "groups".

[Enid]

It's just for ease of communication. Some people only like women. Some people only like men. Some people like both. These are facts. Isn't that what sexuality is?
But there are also so many grey areas too. Sexual orientation, I suppose, just makes it easier for us to understand eachother. I think deep down, if we removed the labels, there would be less abuse and stereotypes.

[arista]

Not true. The church may have a hand in the state and the education system but the influence they have on ordinary folk is nought. The Irish are no more homophobic than the British as far as silly, sweeping statements go. You will get Bible freaks everywhere.


Yes True
this Site has some Bible Freaks.


But in Ireland in some areas
Gays are not made welcome
EU Laws or Not.

[Stu]

But there are also so many grey areas too. Sexual orientation, I suppose, just makes it easier for us to understand eachother. I think deep down, if we removed the labels, there would be less abuse and stereotypes.
I agree, but it's a social identification thing I suppose. We all end up cast into groups somehow.

[Enid]

But on a sociological aspect, having preferences lands to forming groups between people. It's just natural for people who like the same thing to gather together. So who says "preferences" cannot escape the notion of "groups".
But because of this, we have grouped against other groups, and that's why we have people with certain orientations feeling oppressed.

[Stu]

Yes True
this Site has some Bible Freaks.


But in Ireland in some areas
Gays are not made welcome
EU Laws or Not.
Yes but it's the same anywhere in the world. Gay's are not welcome in some parts of America or the UK either.

[Jack_]

But there are also so many grey areas too. Sexual orientation, I suppose, just makes it easier for us to understand eachother. I think deep down, if we removed the labels, there would be less abuse and stereotypes.

Definitely agree. :thumbs:

[Patrick]

Ireland is homophobic? I wanted to live there. :(

No.
Theres alot of gay clubs here, alot of people are gay here and theres no problems at all.

Come live here if you want :thumbs:

[arista]

Yes but it's the same anywhere in the world. Gay's are not welcome in some parts of America or the UK either.

True.

But the Irish are well known as a Homophobic Nation.

[_Seth]

No.
Theres alot of gay clubs here, alot of people are gay here and theres no problems at all.

Come live here if you want :thumbs:

I'd love to Patrick. :hug: But I'm sure I know Ireland as being homophobic. That just must be some dumbass stereotype though.

[arista]

No.
Theres alot of gay clubs here, alot of people are gay here and theres no problems at all.

Come live here if you want :thumbs:


There are Problems
You ain't seen them young man.

[Jack_]

arista, what's your 'sexuality'?

[Captain.Remy]

But because of this, we have grouped against other groups, and that's why we have people with certain orientations feeling oppressed.

That's another consequence of having groups...the rivalry. It's been very rare in History that groups ganged up against other groups, that's how life goes...unfortunately. World Peace is basically impossible so it makes laugh when I see a pageant winner "I want world peace". Get some History books first young lady. :hugesmile:

[arista]

I'd love to Patrick. :hug: But I'm sure I know Ireland as being homophobic. That just must be some dumbass stereotype though.

Irish have a Strong Church
so there Bible says Gays are Sinners.


The only way to know is Visit.

Or watch a Ch4 Docu on it.

[Stu]

True.

But the Irish are well known as a Homophobic Nation.
No they aren't. That's what we call a cultural stereotype. Are the English well known for being tea drinking, country conquering, buck toothed wankers?

[arista]

arista, what's your 'sexuality'?


Straight.

[_Seth]

Irish suck because of this then, fact. Sorry.

[arista]

No they aren't. That's what we call a cultural stereotype. Are the English well known for being tea drinking, country conquering, buck toothed wankers?


Yes we love Our Tea.

[Captain.Remy]

If there are two straight men who are good looking, they can both admit that the other one's good looking without wanting to shag them. :)

It does exist.

It's part of being comfortable with your sexuality. Look, I'm a rugbyman so I've seen naked guys on a weekly basis for about 10 years now but it doesn't bother me. I'm not going to say "right this guys is hot to the bone" but I can say at least a guy isn't ugly.

[Jack_]

Straight.

:thumbs:

[arista]

Irish suck because of this then, fact. Sorry.

Visit Ireland is the Only way.

[_Seth]

It's part of being comfortable with your sexuality. Look, I'm a rugbyman so I've seen naked guys on a weekly basis for about 10 years now but it doesn't bother me. I'm not going to say "right this guys is hot to the bone" but I can say at least a guy isn't ugly.

Yes that's what I was meaning.

[_Seth]

Visit Ireland is the Only way.

I don't wanna be abused for something I can't help, though. And I don't wanna hide myself.

[Jack_]

Irish suck because of this then, fact. Sorry.

As Stu has said, it seems like a cultural stereotype to me.

It's part of being comfortable with your sexuality. Look, I'm a rugbyman so I've seen naked guys on a weekly basis for about 10 years now but it doesn't bother me. I'm not going to say "right this guys is hot to the bone" but I can say at least a guy isn't ugly.

That made me LOL :joker:

[Patrick]

Irish suck because of this then, fact. Sorry.

tbh Though there is no proof of mass homophobia in Ireland today.

[Stu]

Irish suck because of this then, fact. Sorry.
If you are mentally retarded enough to believe a nation - an inanimate, non sentient 'thing' - can be homophobic, then yeah, sure.

Do you believe everything strangers tell you on the internet or is this a special occurence?

[_Seth]

tbh Though there is no proof of mass homophobia in Ireland today.
But people who know the general attitude there have said it is homophobic.
If you are mentally retarded enough to believe a nation - an inanimate, non sentient 'thing' - can be homophobic, then yeah, sure.

I believe the attitude there is.

[Stu]

But people who know the general attitude there have said it is homophobic.


I believe the attitude there is.
Why, because Arista told you? Jesus christ. I LIVE IN IRELAND. I EXIST IN THE IRISH GAY SCENE.

How can a nations 'attitude' be homophobic anyway? Whatever happened to individuality? That's like saying all Irish people are drunks. Or the French are stuck up cowards. Or Nigerians are all drug smugglers.

[_Seth]

MOST of the Irish are.

[arista]

"Why, because Arista told you? Jesus christ. "


There is No Jesus.

Sure Stu you can say your area is safe
make sure Philip hits your area .

[Jack_]

MOST of the Irish are.

On the same line of reasoning, most school children everywhere are homophobic.

[Captain.Remy]

Or the French are stuck up cowards.

We are tho. :tongue:

[arista]

MOST of the Irish are.


Give Credit to Stu
he is Alive and Well.

[Captain.Remy]

he is Alive and Well.

But for how long ? The Bible freaks are hunting him.

[Novo]

Arista in this thread

:laugh3:

[_Seth]

Well I wanna be careful choosing where I live. =/ It's not easy being anything other than straight.

[Captain.Remy]

Well I wanna be careful choosing where I live. =/ It's not easy being anything other than straight.

Don't go to Russia either, nor any African countries.

[Jack_]

Well I wanna be careful choosing where I live. =/ It's not easy being anything other than straight.

You'll find homophobia everywhere, some in the minority, others not. But there are always people who aren't homophobic. Unfortunately, it's something we're going to have to live with, until it hopefully, changes.

[_Seth]

Don't go to Russia either, nor any African countries.
Yeah, I was born in South Africa and it sucks like a bitch.
You'll find homophobia everywhere, some in the minority, others not. But there are always people who aren't homophobic. Unfortunately, it's something we're going to have to live with, until it hopefully, changes.

Yeah, but I wanna go somewhere where it's not SO much of a big deal.

[Stu]

MOST of the Irish are.
No, they are not. Have you a statistic for this? Have you any cultural proof that rivals the fact that I myself live in Ireland's second largest city and have been on it's gay scene for the past four years? Or are you just talking out of your arse again?

Ireland is no different from Britain. Some people are homophobic, most are not. You can't just class an entire nation as being homophobic. Listen to yourself. If you were talking about Jamaica or Russia, or the Middle East, you might get away with it, but Ireland is a pretty ordinary place.

Your taking socio-geographical advice from Arista, honey.

[InOne]

Don't go to anywhere in the Middle East either Philip.

[_Seth]

No, they are not. Have you a statistic for this? Have you any cultural proof that rivals the fact that I myself live in Ireland's second largest city and have been on it's gay scene for the past four years? Or are you just talking out of your arse again?

Ireland is no different from Britain. Some people are homophobic, most are not. You can't just class an entire nation as being homophobic. Listen to yourself.

Your taking socio-geographical advice from Arista, honey.

I don't class the nation as it. But a lot of people, though. I have just always believed that's the general view on things. Sorry.

[arista]

But for how long ? The Bible freaks are hunting him.


No they are not
they are not in his Zone.


Parts of France are also Bible Freaks who see Gays as Sinners.
so you can not talk.

[arista]

Don't go to anywhere in the Middle East either Philip.


Never go to Iran.

[setanta]

MOST of the Irish are.

What are you fecking talking about?! You do realise that this is the SERIOUS debate area right?

[Stu]

I don't class the nation as it. But a lot of people, though. I have just always believed that's the general view on things. Sorry.
A lot of people, yeah. But a lot of people are homophobic no matter where you go in the world. But we are not a quintessentially homophobic nation.

'The general view on things' isn't a statistic nor is it a valid piece of cultural knowledge.

[arista]

You'll find homophobia everywhere, some in the minority, others not. But there are always people who aren't homophobic. Unfortunately, it's something we're going to have to live with, until it hopefully, changes.


If Ireland had No Church
it would be far better.

[InOne]

Never go to Iran.

Maybe Dubai or Tel-Aviv you might be safe, that is about it lol

[arista]

Arista in this thread

:laugh3:



Andy
Talk about this Subject
We all know you get Extreme at times.


Let it all Out


On Jacks Thread.


Life In The Fast Lane.

[arista]

What are you fecking talking about?! You do realise that this is the SERIOUS debate area right?


I thought it was
Bash Irish Day.

[Captain.Remy]

No they are not
they are not in his Zone.


Parts of France are also Bible Freaks who see Gays as Sinners.
so you can not talk.

France doesn't have an official religion, did you forget ? :wink: And France is pretty much open minded about it. Yeah don't go in the middle of the country where they don't even have TVs lol

[setanta]

And to answer the question: yes, sexuality does exist for everybody, and it's located under a sexy pair of green tracksuit bottoms - have to represent Ireland here.

[Enid]

And to answer the question: yes, sexuality does exist for everybody, and it's located under a sexy pair of green tracksuit bottoms - have to represent Ireland here.
How intriguing. ;)

[setanta]

How intriguing. ;)

Oh they're hot, believe me. Tacky magic.

[Novo]

Andy
Talk about this Subject
We all know you get Extreme at times.


Let it all Out


On Jacks Thread.


Life In The Fast Lane.

It's alright

the spotlight is on you Arista

[Shaun]

People afraid of judgment hide behind the notion of "sexuality doesn't exist".

Just say what you are. Nobody, of any importance, gives a ****.

[arista]

It's alright

the spotlight is on you Arista


Nothing Strange There
Andy.

[PaulyJ]

Sexuality as a definition of your preference exist's yes, as far as it being a pre defined, unchangable, state then No.

I can see how David Beckam is attractive, because i know what represents attractiveness today, but if i was to imagine a amorous inturlude with him, DISCLAIMER "I am forcing myself to imagine an amorous inturlude with David Beckham under much duress of my manly hormones and i hope my Dad does not surf Tibb" then i would not find him attractive in the slightest. But that is the thing, there is a lot of social, and physialogical things effecting preference, take away my overtly homophobic father, and my particular hormones then i am sure my preference would be different.