do you think murderers should get the death penalty

[Mystic Mock]

i do i dont care how but they didnt care when they were taking peoples lives so why should we care about theres is what i say

[Stacey.]

it depends on the situation I think.
but, really... yes, they have killed... but no, i dont agree with the death penalty. :bored:
they definitely deserve a second chance :)

[Enid]

Don't you think that mental health and motivation should play a factor?

[zelda]

Don't you think that mental health and motivation should play a factor?

i agree with you mental health has to be checked

[InOne]

Good god, the idiocy of this forum cannot handle this debate!!!! Stop making stupid threads.

[Mystic Mock]

Don't you think that mental health and motivation should play a factor?

if they are scitzoprinic sorry if i spelt it wrong but yes i would let them off and health reasons yes but not if you dont have them reasons and if it was manslaughter i would give a few months and an accident murder is an accident but if you dont have any of them reasons death penalty

[BB_Eye]

California and Texas still carry out the death penalty and don't they have among the highest homicide rates in the developed world?

[bananarama]

A few years ago i would have said NO. However having lived through and seen such dramatic changes both in the vicious nature of murders and the how prolific murders now are I am forced into changing my mind.....

I no longer believe the argument that it would not be a deterent.......I think history proves that it was........Anyways deterent or not JUSTICE needs to be served for the victim and families.... My only fear is the reliability of the justice system and the possibility of innocent people being sentenced to death...

I think such a penalty should only take place with very very strong evidence......Not flimsy microscopic bits of DNA......

[Mystic Mock]

Good god, the idiocy of this forum cannot handle this debate!!!! Stop making stupid threads.

infact this is a serious debate and the hole point of forums is threads and talking on them

[Enid]

if they are scitzoprinic sorry if i spelt it wrong but yes i would let them off and health reasons yes but not if you dont have them reasons and if it was manslaughter i would give a few months and an accident murder is an accident but if you dont have any of them reasons death penalty
What if you found out your 8 year old daughter had been raped by a paedophile, and you killed him? Should you still have the death penalty?

I'd say the murder was justifiable.

[Mystic Mock]

A few years ago i would have said NO. However having lived through and seen such dramatic changes both in the vicious nature of murders and the how prolific murders now are I am forced into changing my mind.....

I no longer believe the argument that it would not be a deterent.......I think history proves that it was........Anyways deterent or not JUSTICE needs to be served for the victim and families.... My only fear is the reliability of the justice system and the possibility of innocent people being sentenced to death...

I think such a penalty should only take place with very very strong evidence......Not flimsy microscopic bits of DNA......

wait for evidence to come through first

[InOne]

infact this is a serious debate and the hole point of forums is threads and talking on them

l-a-w-l

[Mystic Mock]

What if you found out your 8 year old daughter had been raped by a paedophile, and you killed him? Should you still have the death penalty?

I'd say the murder was justifiable.

your going personal and if i was in that situation i dont think i would do it

[Enid]

your going personal and if i was in that situation i dont think i would do it
Well this is a debate right?

Have to give examples and situations.

[Mystic Mock]

Well this is a debate right?

Have to give examples and situations.

yes i know it would be a good question for people

[bananarama]

California and Texas still carry out the death penalty and don't they have among the highest homicide rates in the developed world?

I don't think you can compare one country to another country as they have different social values such as the right to own guns.....and other factors....

It's not just a question of deterent it's a question of JUSTICE being done to the victims........And to the tax payer who finances long jail terms.......We sentence the sick to death by refusing to finance expensive drugs to extend life yet give murderers a blank cheque to keep them alive in jail......Morality gone mad....

[Enid]

yes i know it would be a good question for people
I'm asking you.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm asking you.

but i answered and said no

[Mystic Mock]

i also think that if the govement made the death penalty legal i think that revenge wouldnt happen as much because they wouldnt want to die

[zelda]

I'm asking you.

if i can answer i think the person wouldnt deserve the death penalty due to what had happened to the daughter

[InOne]

Death Penatly is wrong, and satisfies the needs of animals.

[Mystic Mock]

Death Penatly is wrong, and satisfies the needs of animals.

fair enough but i think the more we get rid of the better

[bananarama]

What if you found out your 8 year old daughter had been raped by a paedophile, and you killed him? Should you still have the death penalty?

I'd say the murder was justifiable.


Valid points. Murder needs to be classified in a sensible way. Crimes of passion should not be regarded with the same as brutal cold blooded killing with no motive other than to commit a crime for gain or power over others......(Gang killings etc)

[InOne]

fair enough but i think the more we get rid of the better

You are a primitive barbarian who wants blood :nono:

[Mystic Mock]

Valid points. Murder needs to be classified in a sensible way. Crimes of passion should not be regarded with the same as brutal cold blooded killing with no motive other than to commit a crime for gain or power over others......(Gang killings etc)

i still think its cold blooded murder if you do it out of revenge if nothing happened to you

[Mystic Mock]

You are a primitive barbarian who wants blood :nono:

no i dont and i shouldnt be classed with cold blooded murderers who acturally want to do it as a sport :devil:

[InOne]

no i dont and i shouldnt be classed with cold blooded murderers who acturally want to do it as a sport :devil:

You are the same.

[Mystic Mock]

You are the same.

if you say so because i have fantasies of killing people well done you got me:devil:

[InOne]

if you say so because i have fantasies of killing people well done you got me:devil:

lawl

[bananarama]

i still think its cold blooded murder if you do it out of revenge if nothing happened to you

No. A crime of passion is not the same as revenge.......A crime of passion is when one is temporary out of ones mind with the stress of being a victim of serious crime. Not really in control of your ations......However if one did in cold blood plan a revenge killing then that is indeed cold blooded murder and should be dealt with accordingly.....

[Angus]

it depends on the situation I think.
but, really... yes, they have killed... but no, i dont agree with the death penalty. :bored:
they definitely deserve a second chance :)

Like the one they gave their victim, or a second chance to kill again?

[Mystic Mock]

No. A crime of passion is not the same as revenge.......A crime of passion is when one is temporary out of ones mind with the stress of being a victim of serious crime. Not really in control of your ations......However if one did in cold blood plan a revenge killing then that is indeed cold blooded murder and should be dealt with accordingly.....

no i understand the victim im on about parents though although there intensions are right its cold and calculating

[BB_Eye]

I don't think you can compare one country to another country as they have different social values such as the right to own guns.....and other factors....

It's not just a question of deterent it's a question of JUSTICE being done to the victims........And to the tax payer who finances long jail terms.......We sentence the sick to death by refusing to finance expensive drugs to extend life yet give murderers a blank cheque to keep them alive in jail......Morality gone mad....

You make a valid point, but I think this is more of an incentive for healthcare to receive proper funding than to bring in the death penalty. It goes without saying that prisoners should live on basic subsistence. As far as I see it, lengthy or lifetime jail sentence is justice. The utmost duty of the law should be to protect society and once a criminal is incarcerated, they no longer have any power over their victims. At this stage, revenge becomes pointless.

[InOne]

Murder is subjective, therefore this whole debate is a sham.

[Mystic Mock]

You make a valid point, but I think this is more of an incentive for healthcare to receive proper funding than to bring in the death penalty. It goes without saying that prisoners should live on basic subsistence. As far as I see it, lengthy or lifetime jail sentence is justice. The utmost duty of the law should be to protect society and once a criminal is incarcerated, they no longer have any power over their victims. At this stage, revenge becomes pointless.

yes but they come out eventrully to kill again i think that if we kill them it would be for the best

[Mystic Mock]

Murder is subjective, therefore this whole debate is a sham.

yes you think so

[InOne]

yes you think so

There is no good argument for the death penalty...

[Mystic Mock]

and also wheres the victims second chance if the killer is allowed to

[InOne]

Killing the killer does not bring the victim back.

[bananarama]

You make a valid point, but I think this is more of an incentive for healthcare to receive proper funding than to bring in the death penalty. It goes without saying that prisoners should live on basic subsistence. As far as I see it, lengthy or lifetime jail sentence is justice. The utmost duty of the law should be to protect society and once a criminal is incarcerated, they no longer have any power over their victims. At this stage, revenge becomes pointless.

I think there would be fewer people calling for the death penality if indeed murderes did get life..Instead they get minimum terms which are often quite ridiculous and do not serve justice........

17 year old stabs young cadet and gets 17 year and then could be released.......Sorry but the victim cannot go before a board in 17 years time and ask for his life back......Cold blooded killers of that type should never never come out......Regardless of his young age.........

My view if we ration the sick to the point they die as a result then we should consider rationing the affordability of keeping worthless murderers alive......Makes moral sense.......

[Mystic Mock]

Killing the killer does not bring the victim back.

yes and what im saying is kill them as they dont deserve the second chance and they didnt care about the victims why should we care about theres is what i think

[InOne]

yes and what im saying is kill them as they dont deserve the second chance and they didnt care about the victims why should we care about theres is what i think

You don't think outside the box.

[bananarama]

You don't think outside the box.

Get too far out of the box and you just get lost and confused.......

[InOne]

Get too far out of the box and you just get lost and confused.......

Typical PC middle class BS :)

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[Stacey.]

Like the one they gave their victim, or a second chance to kill again?

obviously, keep them in prison for a year or so... depending on the crime thats been commit..
but sometimes, it can make the person a much better person :)

[bronaaaa]

Nope, not the death pelanty, two wrongs don't make a right etc. and tbh, imprisoning them for life would be a much worse punishment, as they'd be forced to live with what they'd done..killing them is just giving them an escape from personal torture

[Jessica.]

jedward_fever = zelda
zelda = jedward_fever

[bananarama]

Typical PC middle class BS :)


I won't say what that reply is typical of.......:hugesmile::hugesmile::hugesmile:

[InOne]

I won't say what that reply is typical of.......:hugesmile::hugesmile::hugesmile:

You know nothing.

[Princess]

No because there is worst things than death. Having to go to prison for life and live with what you did is far worse.

[Mystic Mock]

obviously, keep them in prison for a year or so... depending on the crime thats been commit..
but sometimes, it can make the person a much better person :)

its very rare

[Mystic Mock]

No because there is worst things than death. Having to go to prison for life and live with what you did is far worse.

yes but the govements are never gonna give that out

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Tbh No, I believe a muderer pays for their crime in prison. However I believe they should be giving the death penalty if they kill a mass of people, or if they served there time in prison only to kill again after getting out.

Its complicated to say, because what if someone you cared and loved murdered someone else, would you want them to have the death penalty? From Exprerence my Uncle is in prison for killing someone, I never met him, but hes serving life for that murder. Before he went in they said he had mental problems, but they have helped him now, and now he is what you call a "reform christian".

So I think its a hard question to answer.

[Stacey.]

its very rare

It happens. :p

[Jessica.]

No!

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh No, I believe a muderer pays for their crime in prison. However I believe they should be giving the death penalty if they kill a mass of people, or if they served there time in prison only to kill again after getting out.

Its complicated to say, because what if someone you cared and loved murdered someone else, would you want them to have the death penalty? From Exprerence my Uncle is in prison for killing someone, I never met him, but hes serving life for that murder. Before he went in they said he had mental problems, but they have helped him now, and now he is what you call a "reform christian".

So I think its a hard question to answer.

but your going personal and if they had mental problems then mental ward

[Shasown]

but your going personal and if they had mental problems then mental ward

Yeah but, no but, yeah but...

Why keep a nutter at public expense when you may not be able to cure him, they put mad dogs down.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah but, no but, yeah but...

Why keep a nutter at public expense when you may not be able to cure him, they put mad dogs down.

they normally can unless ive watched to much tv

[Enid]

A lot of murderers, especially serial killers and gang members, lack any compassion or empathy to feel guilty for their crimes. In their mind, what they did was right, or they convince themselves that they are innocent. Living with what they did is not so bad.

[eye sea]

All murderers should be given a life sentence of 100 years.