Oh, the Feminism topic...

[InOne]

Nice to see a girl ripping into Feminism.


pSdZlPKHpUQ


Sorry WOMBAI :tongue:

[Vicky.]

The evil men got to her, they brainwashed her and forced her to say these horrible things. Terrible stuff :bored:



:p

[InOne]

The evil men got to her, they brainwashed her and forced her to say these horrible things. Terrible stuff :bored:



:p

;)

[WOMBAI]

Nice to see a girl ripping into Feminism.


pSdZlPKHpUQ


Sorry WOMBAI :tongue:

Let me see - a young girl in her early twenties, no children, no real education on the subject - but somehow she is some kind of expert! She speaks as if women have children on their own - and the fathers have no responsibilities and no input into their care. Excuse me if I don't take her opinion too seriously! :hugesmile:

Do you have some issues with equal rights Inone - which is all feminisim means! I believe in equal rights - nothing more nothing less! Those that don't are the ones with issues!

[Beastie]

I will watch this over 9 minute video when I can be arsked.

[InOne]

Let me see - a young girl in her early twenties, no children, no real education on the subject - but somehow she is some kind of expert! She speaks as if women have children on their own - and the fathers have no responsibilities and no input into their care. Excuse me if I don't take her opinion too seriously! :hugesmile:

Is that not being ageist? She is clearly quite intelligent and well reserched on the topic, what are the main points you don't agree with?

[WOMBAI]

Is that not being ageist? She is clearly quite intelligent and well reserched on the topic, what are the main points you don't agree with?

It has got nothing to do with ageism - just that she lacks life experience. Just her opinion - not based on anything more significant than that. You say she has researched the topic - what are her qualifications then, to what degree has she researched the subject - is her research evidence based? Too many questions, not enough answers. I take it you don't know her personally or know about her 'credentials'.

[Stu]

You always bring up the term 'life experience'. As if to say if we all manage to live long enough, we will experience something catastrophic in the future that will make us conform to your narrow views.

[InOne]

This is a link she posted next to the vid.
http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2006/oct/wk1/art03.htm

And it is not about life experience, her points are logical. They do not need 'experience', there are tons of stats and it's a view of someone looking at both sides, yet it is a woman giving these views. In what way are Women opressed in todays society?

[WOMBAI]

You always bring up the term 'life experience'. As if to say if we all manage to live long enough, we will experience something catastrophic in the future that will make us conform to your narrow views.

How are my views narrow - it seems to me, that the ones that label a woman as a manhater for believing in equality between the sexes are the ones with the narrow views!

[Beastie]

How are my views narrow - it seems to me, that the ones that label a woman as a manhater for believing in equality between the sexes are the ones with the narrow views!

There are both man and woman eaters out there.

[arista]

The evil men got to her, they brainwashed her and forced her to say these horrible things. Terrible stuff :bored:






:p



She is acting,
and could be more sexy.

[Stu]

How are my views narrow - it seems to me, that the ones that label a woman as a manhater for believing in equality between the sexes are the ones with the narrow views!
Good then that nobody was saying equal rights for both sexes equates to being narrow minded :wink:.

The feminism bashing you see I believe is more directed to those who would burn there bras in protest of manhole covers being called manhole covers.

They can get ****ed.

And you, of course, who on numerous occasions have chalked peoples housemate like or dislikes up to being brainwashed by the macho hype, rather than ... I don't know ... just finding them entertaining housemates.

That, amongst other things ...

[arista]

She can talk
She needs a Good Shag from me.


That You tube clip has been posted before.

[InOne]

She can talk
She needs a Good Shag from me.


That You tube clip has been posted before.

Married I think lol Yeah she can talk, people don't expect women to openly talk about feminism no much. Especially ones that make very good points.

[PaulyJ]

Do you have some issues with equal rights Inone - which is all feminisim means!

That's what it is suppose to mean but like all the "Ism's" it gets hijacked to a rediculous end.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01398/policewoman_1398386c.jpg

Well, are you Threatened?:hugesmile:

[Stu]

Those ASBO kids don't stand a chance with her on the prowl!

[InOne]

Also the 'no life experience' thing can be turned around, what about young feminists? They surely can't have lived long enough to feel the true opression on man? They probably see it as a trendy thing to do, some overeducated middle class graduate.

[arista]

Married I think lol Yeah she can talk, people don't expect women to openly talk about feminism no much. Especially ones that make very good points.


Yes she may be married but a Fresh one from me would give her new Energy.

[Beastie]

Get some females out in Iraq!

[Stu]

Yeah, them soldiers are starving.

[arista]

Let me see - a young girl in her early twenties, no children, no real education on the subject - but somehow she is some kind of expert! She speaks as if women have children on their own - and the fathers have no responsibilities and no input into their care. Excuse me if I don't take her opinion too seriously! :hugesmile:

Do you have some issues with equal rights Inone - which is all feminisim means! I believe in equal rights - nothing more nothing less! Those that don't are the ones with issues!


You Ain't Equal.
Hon.

[WOMBAI]

This is a link she posted next to the vid.
http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2006/oct/wk1/art03.htm

And it is not about life experience, her points are logical. They do not need 'experience', there are tons of stats and it's a view of someone looking at both sides, yet it is a woman giving these views. In what way are Women opressed in todays society?

She isn't ranting - but that doesn't necessarily mean her points are logical. How exactly are they logical? She says men work longer hours - well someone has to look after the kids! Would men rather be the ones to do that then? What exactly is her point?

[InOne]

She isn't ranting - but that doesn't necessarily mean her points are logical. How exactly are they logical? She says men work longer hours - well someone has to look after the kids! Would men rather be the ones to do that then? What exactly is her point?

You didn't answer to what you believe? Only then I can explain why they are logical, you're not giving much...

[setanta]

It wont play past 1.30 for me.

[PaulyJ]

Those ASBO kids don't stand a chance with her on the prowl!
Yup.

I don't see anything wrong in telling that Woman you can't do this job, you would get hurt and you are not imposing enough. And why did they not let her finish school first :)

Is it out of order ladies for me to suggest she should be behind a desk rather than out on the beat?

[InOne]

It wont play past 1.30 for me.

:x, even if you try watch it on youtube?

[setanta]

:x, even if you try watch it on youtube?

yeah, playing on youtube for me Joseph. Thanks.

[InOne]

yeah, playing on youtube for me Joseph. Thanks.

Cool cool. I will be expecting a lengthy opinion :tongue:

[WOMBAI]

Get some females out in Iraq!

No doubt those already out there would like some more female company! :hugesmile:

[arista]

No doubt those already out there would like some more female company! :hugesmile:


Women are Not Equal.

[WOMBAI]

Also the 'no life experience' thing can be turned around, what about young feminists? They surely can't have lived long enough to feel the true opression on man? They probably see it as a trendy thing to do, some overeducated middle class graduate.

Are you honestly saying that men don't and never have oppressed women? Things are a lot better today then they used to be - but double standards still exist - or do you deny that?

[WOMBAI]

Women are Not Equal.

Who says - you!:hugesmile:

[Captain.Remy]

Oi, I ain't getting involved because this thread will go on until tomorrow morning if not later. :hugesmile:

Good luck to everyone getting involved, you can say good bye to your night. :laugh:

[arista]

Who says - you!:hugesmile:


The Army

On the Front Line

No Women

[InOne]

Are you honestly saying that men don't and never have oppressed women? Things are a lot better today then they used to be - but double standards still exist - or do you deny that?

Of course in the past, i'm not saying that. But it works both ways too.

[WOMBAI]

The Army

On the Front Line

No Women

That will change - called progress! Women are adults - who have the right to make their own decisions about what risks they take with their own lives! Do you not approve of women having the vote? :hugesmile:

[Stu]

Plenty of men are discriminated against - a lot of it as a result of people being oversensitive with relation to pandering to womens 'equal rights' demands.

[setanta]

Yep, it was a good watch - very even handed view of what's going on right now.

[arista]

That will change - called progress! Women are adults - who have the right to make their own decisions about what risks they take with their own lives! Do you not approve of women having the vote? :hugesmile:




It will not change on the UK Army
On the Front killing Line No Women.



Of Course woman Vote
thats how Thatcher won.
Women backed her.

[arista]

Plenty of men are discriminated against - a lot of it as a result of people being oversensitive with relation to pandering to womens 'equal rights' demands.


Womens Rights

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00912/drunk-380_912803a.jpg


They can not hold there Drinks well enough

[WOMBAI]

Womens Rights

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00912/drunk-380_912803a.jpg


They can not hold there Drinks well enough

For every picture you show of a drunken woman on the street - there would be a hundred pictures of drunken men on the street - your point being what exactly? Not nice to see either!

[arista]

For every picture you show of a drunken woman on the street - there would be a hundred pictures of drunken men on the street - your point being what exactly? Not nice to see either!


But years ago
women were not Drunk on our streets.

[PaulyJ]

That will change - called progress! Women are adults - who have the right to make their own decisions about what risks they take with their own lives! Do you not approve of women having the vote? :hugesmile:

Since when does a boss ask the prospective employee, if you want to take the risk you can do the job.

It is the Army or the Police that should make the decision as to whether you can do the job or not. You want to whip them with, a feminist Blackmail stick, which says if you don't let me risk my life in a job i am not suitable for, then you are opressing my rights.

I'm crap at being a Woman and your crap at being a Man. People should stop messing with natures gender roles because it will only end in tears

[WOMBAI]

But years ago
women were not Drunk on our streets.

If that is the price we have to pay for equal rights - so be it! The world is full of stupid men and stupid women!

[arista]

If that is the price we have to pay for equal rights - so be it! The world is full of stupid men and stupid women!


You Ain't Equal.

[WOMBAI]

Since when does a boss ask the prospective employee, if you want to take the risk you can do the job.

It is the Army or the Police that should make the decision as to whether you can do the job or not. You want to whip them with, a feminist Blackmail stick, which says if you don't let me risk my life in a job i am not suitable for, then you are opressing my rights.

I'm crap at being a Woman and your crap at being a Man. People should stop messing with natures gender roles because it will only end in tears

What a load of bull! You really don't get it - do you? I can't speak for others - but I don't want to be a man, quite happy being a woman thanks! I just want freedom of choice! What right does any man or woman have to tell another what they can and can't do - based on their sex!

For examle, there was a time when women couldn't be doctors - women have more than proved their abilty to be just as good as, and sometimes better than men! Most of these things have bugger all to do with abilty - just discrimination!

[setanta]

Here's one that's annoyed me for awhile -and I'm sure I'll get abused for mentioning-bt why does the ladies end of the draw get paid as much as the men's in tennis slams when they're on the court for less time and don't generate half as much money? I don't think that's fair on the lads who have to sweat their balls offfor 5 hours on a court just to get to the 4th round while Serena walks it to the semi finals with little or no trouble. Is that fair?

[arista]

What a load of bull! You really don't get it - do you? I can't speak for others - but I don't want to be a man, quite happy being a woman thanks! I just want freedom of choice! What right does any man or woman have to tell another what they can and can't do - based on their sex!

For examle, there was a time when women couldn't be doctors - women have more than proved their abilty to be just as good as, and sometimes better than men! Most of these things have bugger all to do with abilty - just discrimination!




You can have Freeedom of Choice , hon
but not in the UK Army
Fact.

[WOMBAI]

You can have Freeedom of Choice , hon
but not in the UK Army
Fact.

Alright hon! :hugesmile:

[Claymores]

Just for hits to prove to sponsors?

A few oldies to chat about politics or so?

Sorry - I detect average age of TIBB (honest is 14) - not agree? many are 12 lying so you're speaking to kids.

As evidence I use the the popularity of Sov then Janice to win which was a kiddies thing and gamblers loved it as just laid £000s and got drunk on TIBB


The kids are fun but noting to do with realistic BB. I like the funny kids.

[PaulyJ]

What a load of bull! You really don't get it - do you? I can't speak for others - but I don't want to be a man, quite happy being a woman thanks! I just want freedom of choice! What right does any man or woman have to tell another what they can and can't do - based on their sex!

For examle, there was a time when women couldn't be doctors - women have more than proved their abilty to be just as good as, and sometimes better than men! Most of these things have bugger all to do with abilty - just discrimination!

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01398/policewoman_1398386c.jpg

That Woman is
A. Not presenting a physical threat to anyone other than a pissed up migit.
B. In a confrontation with her Male partner, against a group of rowdy louts is a liability to him, he will have to baby sit her, because it is apparent that she could not pull her weight. that is all i am saying.

Women on lower pay for the same job, i would agree is descrimination. Women not reaching the upper eschelons of business fair enough.

But Women in the Front lines of the Police, Army, and Fire Service is PC gone bonkers

[Enid]

She is just some woman throwing out some statistics at us.

All I know is, there are man-hating "feminists" and then true feminists. You cannot be a man-hater and feminist at the same time. It's just.. impossible. These women are called female supremacists, and it's just as bad as racial supremacy and chauvinism. It's unnecessary ignorance and intolerance.

[Shasown]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01398/policewoman_1398386c.jpg

That Woman is
A. Not presenting a physical threat to anyone other than a pissed up migit.
B. In a confrontation with her Male partner, against a group of rowdy louts is a liability to him, he will have to baby sit her, because it is apparent that she could not pull her weight. that is all i am saying.

Women on lower pay for the same job, i would agree is descrimination. Women not reaching the upper eschelons of business fair enough.

But Women in the Front lines of the Police, Army, and Fire Service is PC gone bonkers

Women wont be allowed to serve on the front line of the Army, they can carry weapons in self defence and get right in amongst it, as medics or supporting arms. They wont be allowed to fly modern combat aircraft in the RAF due to their bodies being less capable than men to cope with the stresses of high speed flight.

They are allowed in the Fire and Police Services because they can pass the required physical test. In the forces the physical tests still have two different sets of pass requirements for male and female, on shuttle runs for example the men have to run for a few levels Women can pass at about a fast walk. Mind, they do still get the same money as men of the same rank and trade.

In the area of domestic abuse, a women claims a man hits her, he gets lifted. If and it does happen a man is the victim, in a lot of areas he is told to man up. Or its ignored either way its not pursued with the same vigour as it would be if the perpertrator was a man.

So yes life is unfair, there is not equality between the sexes. ,aybe one day there will be. But dont think its only women who receive discrimination.

[Tom4784]

I thought she had some good points and I agree with her really, I fully believe in equal rights but if the work based stats she said were true then it's a fair point. If both Genders work the same amount of hours at the same job then they should get paid equally obviously and if anyone works less then it's only fair to those that work longer hours to get paid more and I'd say the same if the tables are reversed.

I'd like to believe her point about Women choosing family or career is overly pessimistic as I believe both women and men can juggle both.

[andyman]

.. Miss W just wants one up against the evil men..

[andyman]

She is just some woman throwing out some statistics at us.

All I know is, there are man-hating "feminists" and then true feminists. You cannot be a man-hater and feminist at the same time. It's just.. impossible. These women are called female supremacists, and it's just as bad as racial supremacy and chauvinism. It's unnecessary ignorance and intolerance."True feminist".. ?

[Claymores]

I'd like to believe her point about Women choosing family or career is overly pessimistic as I believe both women and men can juggle both.

I think that is just naiive and what employers recognise and build-nto the unsaid wage/employment dscrimination which just realistically reflects how society works (like it or not)

It still is the notional that male goes out and works, female work is secondary in relationship.

The couples I know where both work, still the wife has to put in more hours at home caring so the woman's career suffers

The females I know who have have house husbands are because they recognise the female has a far huger earning potential in a professional career.

The 2 profesionals without kids are interesting - these relationships tend to end as too much disposable cash and want to do their own things (my theory is that males and females not inherantly compatible without being tied to kids! and not too much in common the different genders except shag)

I'm in 3rd group as never wanted sprogs.

[Claymores]

It's just common/financial sense

[WOMBAI]

.. Miss W just wants one up against the evil men..

You are just an idiot!

[WOMBAI]

[QUOTE=It still is the notional that male goes out and works, female work is secondary in relationship.[/QUOTE]


That usually only applies in working class families - where poorly educated men can earn more than poorly educated women.

In well educated professional couples where both have high earning potential - that is much less the case!

[InOne]

What are your views WOMBAI, are all the girls points invalid to you? You never told me your opinion?

[BB_Eye]

Let me see - a young girl in her early twenties, no children, no real education on the subject - but somehow she is some kind of expert! She speaks as if women have children on their own - and the fathers have no responsibilities and no input into their care. Excuse me if I don't take her opinion too seriously! :hugesmile:

Do you have some issues with equal rights Inone - which is all feminisim means! I believe in equal rights - nothing more nothing less! Those that don't are the ones with issues!

Lol, this reminds me of the sorts of ad-hominem passive aggressive arguments you get from hysterical mothers who snap "DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN??? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE? YOU HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE AND EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS WRONG!!!".

Also, if we're splitting hairs here, a person who believes in equal rights for women and that they have already been won is a post-feminist.

[BB_Eye]

That Woman is
A. Not presenting a physical threat to anyone other than a pissed up migit.
B. In a confrontation with her Male partner, against a group of rowdy louts is a liability to him, he will have to baby sit her, because it is apparent that she could not pull her weight. that is all i am saying.

Women on lower pay for the same job, i would agree is descrimination. Women not reaching the upper eschelons of business fair enough.

But Women in the Front lines of the Police, Army, and Fire Service is PC gone bonkers

I'm grateful you've drawn this arbitrary boundary just so women know where they stand with you, but can I ask why?

[WOMBAI]

Lol, this reminds me of the sorts of ad-hominem passive aggressive arguments you get from hysterical mothers who snap "DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN??? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE? YOU HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE AND EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS WRONG!!!".

Also, if we're splitting hairs here, a person who believes in equal rights for women and that they have already been won is a post-feminist.

Typical - an attempt to undermine a woman's opinion - with the 'hysterical' label! :sleep:

Feminist = Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.

Do you have an issue with that?

[cupid stunt]

Let me see - a young girl in her early twenties, no children, no real education on the subject - but somehow she is some kind of expert! She speaks as if women have children on their own - and the fathers have no responsibilities and no input into their care. Excuse me if I don't take her opinion too seriously! :hugesmile:

Do you have some issues with equal rights Inone - which is all feminisim means! I believe in equal rights - nothing more nothing less! Those that don't are the ones with issues!

bollocks does it mean equal rights, it means a load of jealous man haters wot dont shave either that or money grabbing slags :joker: i wonder which group u fit in wombat:joker:

[cupid stunt]

Let me see - a young girl in her early twenties, no children, no real education on the subject - but somehow she is some kind of expert! She speaks as if women have children on their own - and the fathers have no responsibilities and no input into their care. Excuse me if I don't take her opinion too seriously! :hugesmile:

Do you have some issues with equal rights Inone - which is all feminisim means! I believe in equal rights - nothing more nothing less! Those that don't are the ones with issues!

women have a choice whether to have a baby or get rid of it, the man obviously has no say in this, u trying 2 say certain gals dont trap a man wiv a baby?

[cupid stunt]

Womens Rights

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00912/drunk-380_912803a.jpg


They can not hold there Drinks well enough

...LOL wombat wont like that 1:joker:

[WOMBAI]

women have a choice whether to have a baby or get rid of it, the man obviously has no say in this, u trying 2 say certain gals dont trap a man wiv a baby?

A man can only be 'trapped' as you put it - if he is stupid enough to allow himself to be! If he doesn't take his own precautions - then more fool him - and he is just as responsible for the consequences!

[WOMBAI]

bollocks does it mean equal rights, it means a load of jealous man haters wot dont shave either that or money grabbing slags :joker: i wonder which group u fit in wombat:joker:

Or a load of jealous woman haters - who have no luck with the ladies - and/or are too thick to make proper conversation and to type proper English - I wonder which group you fit cupid! :joker:

[cupid stunt]

A man can only be 'trapped' as you put it - if he is stupid enough to allow himself to be! If he doesn't take his own precautions - then more fool him - and he is just as responsible for the consequences!

no thats BULL****, 2 start with it gals can lie and say there on the pill i no i had a couple lucky escapes with slags like that

[cupid stunt]

Or a load of jealous woman haters - who have no luck with the ladies - and/or are too thick to make proper conversation and to type proper English - I wonder which group you fit cupid! :joker:

who sed am a women hater darling am far from it, shame that thers not many decent gals out there these days

[WOMBAI]

no thats BULL****, 2 start with it gals can lie and say there on the pill i no i had a couple lucky escapes with slags like that

You really are lacking in the grey matter department aren't you - just as women are told not to trust men who say they will 'take care of things' - men should not trust women who say they are on the pill - and insist on using a condom. Simple! What is complicated to understand about that?

[WOMBAI]

who sed am a women hater darling am far from it, shame that thers not many decent gals out there these days

Oh darling - you clearly don't deserve the decent type! :hugesmile:

[cupid stunt]

You really are lacking in the grey matter department aren't you - just as women are told not to trust men who say they will 'take care of things' - men should not trust women who say they are on the pill - and insist on using a condom. Simple! What is complicated to understand about that?

ye ur not wrong there av learnt me lesson, trouble is shaggin wi a condom is ***** crap compared 2 bareback:joker:

[WOMBAI]

ye ur not wrong there av learnt me lesson, trouble is shaggin wi a condom is ***** crap compared 2 bareback:joker:

Typical moronic statement! Go bareback then mate - just don't complain when things go wrong - I guess you can't help being stupid! :hugesmile:

[cupid stunt]

Typical moronic statement! Go bareback then mate - just don't complain when things go wrong - I guess you can't help being stupid! :hugesmile:

so its alrite 4 birds 2 lie bout there pill? or is it all us big bad lads fault again?

[WOMBAI]

so its alrite 4 birds 2 lie bout there pill? or is it all us big bad lads fault again?

No of course it's not alright for a woman to lie about being on the pill - but any man that takes her at her word (when not in a long-term relationship) is as stupid as her - and deserves what he gets! The only one that deserves any sympathy in that situation - is the poor innocent child that results!

[InOne]

Women definitely play the victim more for their own gain. And use the power that the original feminists got them to satisfy their own needs.

[Beastie]

Wear a condom!

[WOMBAI]

Women definitely play the victim more for their own gain. And use the power that the original feminists got them to satisfy their own needs.

Correction - some women! Just as some men try to play the superiority card and abuse their physical strength!

[InOne]

Correction - some women! Just as some men try to play the superiority card and abuse their physical strength!

Why is it always men on domestic abuse adverts? And even child abuse adverts, do you not think they should show the womens side too?

[Shasown]

Correction - some women! Just as some men try to play the superiority card and abuse their physical strength!

Very true on both sides.

[WOMBAI]

Why is it always men on domestic abuse adverts? And even child abuse adverts, do you not think they should show the womens side too?

I guess because it is more common with men!

[Shasown]

Why is it always men on domestic abuse adverts? And even child abuse adverts, do you not think they should show the womens side too?

Maybe because the domestic abuse system is geared for women victims.

It does tend to ignore situations where the perpertrator is female. And why not, long term it undermines the woman in the victim role.

[Shasown]

I guess because it is more common with men!

Maybe its about the same percentage throughout society, maybe men feel under pressure not to report it for fear of being laughed at, ignored or simply told that doesnt happen.

[InOne]

I guess because it is more common with men!

So, with bad mothers ect, would you think sometimes they might let it slip? Think it couldn't possibly be the woman? It's not good if we don't know the signs when the woman is doing the abuse.

[InOne]

Maybe its about the same percentage throughout society, maybe men feel under pressure not to report it for fear of being laughed at, ignored or simply told that doesnt happen.

Indeed that could be a reason, for being laughed at and that.

[Shasown]

Indeed that could be a reason, for being laughed at and that.

In my case, I was told it wasnt in the public interest to pursue charges against the wife, the female victim support officer told me at the time "the system isnt geared for this sort of thing" although they were quite aware of lots of situations were it was occuring, when I asked her what would happen if I was the perpertrator, she smiled and said "we would charge you, arrest and hold you and it would be pursued"

[WOMBAI]

So, with bad mothers ect, would you think sometimes they might let it slip? Think it couldn't possibly be the woman? It's not good if we don't know the signs when the woman is doing the abuse.

Undoubtedly some women do abuse - which of course is just as bad - but it is clearly more apparent in men! Either should be dealt with appropriately!

[InOne]

In my case, I was told it wasnt in the public interest to pursue charges against the wife, the female victim support officer told me at the time "the system isnt geared for this sort of thing" although they were quite aware of lots of situations were it was occuring, when I asked her what would happen if I was the perpertrator, she smiled and said "we would charge you, arrest and hold you and it would be pursued"

Like say a man abuses his wife constantly over many many years, and one day she snaps and kills him, it would be like 'Ohh the poor woman, look what she went through, no wonder she did it'. But the other way round it would be, 'look at the brutal wife killer, only knows violence ect ect'

[PaulyJ]

I'm grateful you've drawn this arbitrary boundary just so women know where they stand with you, but can I ask why?

The only boundary i have drawn is between a Policewoman who is clearly not up to the job of Policing a Rowdy bunch of lowts, and Women who are descriminated against in their chosen careers. And i am certainly not trying to tell anybody where they stand with me.

I'll make an assumption that, you thought my words we're relating to the original post, when in fact it related to the Police Officer in the picture above the words. I'll be more careful with my phrasing in future.

If my assumption is wrong, you'll have to add detail to your enquiry.

[Shasown]

The only boundary i have drawn is between a Policewoman who is clearly not up to the job of Policing a Rowdy bunch of lowts, and Women who are descriminated against in their chosen careers. And i am certainly not trying to tell anybody where they stand with me.

I'll make an assumption that, you thought my words we're relating to the original post, when in fact it related to the Police Officer in the picture above the words. I'll be more careful with my phrasing in future.

If my assumption is wrong, you'll have to add detail to your enquiry.

In a lot of cases the small policewoman has better skills to defuse any trouble a rowdy bunch of louts could create, simply by her presence, most of the louts wouldnt hit her but do as she says. If you swapped her for a beefy 6 foot male said bunch of rowdy louts would then tend to spout off or even kick off worse feeling their machismo under threat from big male rival.

[WOMBAI]

In a lot of cases the small policewoman has better skills to defuse any trouble a rowdy bunch of louts could create, simply by her presence, most of the louts wouldnt hit her but do as she says. If you swapped her for a beefy 6 foot male said bunch of rowdy louts would then tend to spout off or even kick off worse feeling their machismo under threat from big male rival.

Totally agree with that!

[PaulyJ]

In a lot of cases the small policewoman has better skills to defuse any trouble a rowdy bunch of louts could create, simply by her presence, most of the louts wouldnt hit her but do as she says. If you swapped her for a beefy 6 foot male said bunch of rowdy louts would then tend to spout off or even kick off worse feeling their machismo under threat from big male rival.

So, the Police have compromised affective Policing when it gets violent, for affectiveness in preventing a violent situation occuring.

Well i'm not really capable of doing the maths on that one to show we are better off for the compromise. But it's a valid point, Soft Policing Vs Zero Tolerance can be a very good thing. And i have learned something their.

Their is a skill that non threatening Females can bring to the job of Policing that i had not thought of. Is their any such advantages to having a Female in the front line of the Armed Forces though? Or would that be a compromise without benefit? or even the Fireservice

[King Gizzard]

Exclamation marks!

[Jack_]

exclamation marks!

! - ! - !

[WOMBAI]

So, the Police have compromised affective Policing when it gets violent, for affectiveness in preventing a violent situation occuring.

Well i'm not really capable of doing the maths on that one to show we are better off for the compromise. But it's a valid point, Soft Policing Vs Zero Tolerance can be a very good thing. And i have learned something their.

Their is a skill that non threatening Females can bring to the job of Policing that i had not thought of. Is their any such advantages to having a Female in the front line of the Armed Forces though? Or would that be a compromise without benefit? or even the Fireservice

This women and front line thing - doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe it would if this were the first/second world wars where hand to hand combat was likely - but with today's modern weapons and warfare - involving no physical contact/combat - I don't really see how physical strength (or lack of it) is an effective argument against women! Enlighten me please!

[Shasown]

This women and front line thing - doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe it would if this were the first/second world wars where hand to hand combat was likely - but with today's modern weapons and warfare - involving no physical contact/combat - I don't really see how physical strength (or lack of it) is an effective argument against women! Enlighten me please!

Lets get this one in perspective, current Armed Forces thinking is people are best employed where their abilities are able to be better utilised. Women are not allowed on "the front line" where they could be expected to close and kill an enemy.

They are however allowed on the ground in places like Afghanistan for combat support roles. Medic, Police, Artillery, Intelligence etc, they are not allowed to be infantry. There a few reasons for this.

The load on a soldiers body require him to have upper body strength (due to the weight of the weapon, ammunition and equipment he has to carry on prolonged operations). Although a very small percentage of woman can carry such loads not many women can pass the required fitness test. There are also physical limitations on women being able to urinate while wearing full kit without having to disrobe, This is particularly important when fighting in an NBC environment(Nuclear Chemical and Biological - where urination for women would be carried out in the same way as defectation. Bearing in mind on field operations the composite rations(compo) issued to troops bungs people up for a good few days on end. A defecation drill carried out correctly using the relevant equipment takes about 25 minutes. )

In some peoples eyes it is morally repugnant to put women into a combat situation where she may be expected to engage an enemy at close quarters with bullet and bayonet. Also she may be a right terrier in the naafi after a few beers and can carry quite heavy loads, but can she close with and kill an enemy silently(just joking)

They arent allowed to fly modern high speed high performance combat aircraft for two reasons, in combat the aircraft would be flown to its maximum performance envelope, this puts great strain on a body and its possible in high 'G' conditions for the uterus to prolapse - pop out. Also the design of modern aircraft and using average bodily measurments its impossible for most women to operate all the controls and be able to use all of the 3 ejector seat controls, they could easily use two out of the three however the third (overhead) can only be used by most women by arching their back and extending their legs forward, when the seat cartridges fired and forced the seat out of the aircraft they would lose their legs.

They are allowed in fighting ships of the line because its unlikely they would have to engage in hand to hand combat, the ship is effectively totally sealed in an NBC environment and they dont need to carry out the full drill for urination unless the integrity of the NBC system is greatly reduced.

[PaulyJ]

Sure Wombai,

Most war is still conducted by Infantry, Soldiers walking with heavy back packs in order to clear ground or capture territory. When the fighting begins, there will be lots of running between points on the front line to re-enforce those points. Carrying injured Soldiers, pushing forward on foot is best done as fast as possible to avoid being targeted.

The ideal soldier will be able to carry their packs, weapon, and still be able to run a long distance. Which means Strength and endurance is not something you would want to compromise on, given your life and that of your teams life is at stake.

[WOMBAI]

I thank the two previous posters for their interesting responses to my question - gives me something to think about! I can certainly see some validity in the arguement against!

[InOne]

arista in this thread :joker:

I watched that vid again today randomly and it reminded me of this :amazed:

[Niamh.]

Who's PaulyJ, I don't remember them?

[Niamh.]

lol at Wombaii deleting all her posts :laugh:

[InOne]

Yeah it looks a bit weird with just the quotes to her lol

And don't remember him really

[arista]

Womens Rights

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00912/drunk-380_912803a.jpg


They can not hold there Drinks well enough





For Kizzy.

[Niamh.]

http://i.imgur.com/NxOMG.jpg

For Arista :pipe:

[arista]

For Arista :pipe:



Fair play to you Lady.

[InOne]

For Kizzy.

Don't forget Pyra

[Pyramid*]

Don't forget Pyra

What you stirring up now?

I'm quite proud to not be like that - I don't need to rely on booze to have a good time - unlike so many.

[Shaun]

Enid pretty much covered what I think of this thread (aside from a rare opinion from me that concerned me feeling sorry for WOMBAI and feeling like she was goaded here).

I think feminists get represented as man-hating, miserable battleaxes with no sense of humour. It's very easy to portray them as such in a male-dominated media, at least. But there are inequalities and injustices (moreso around the world than here) that have to be tackled.

That said, I disagree with artificial equality. Quotas and all that jazz. Candidacy for any place of employment, if equal, should be irrespective of gender.

But I do generally resent the idea of feminism as a dirty word, or a belief that's somehow fuelled by rage and gossip. There are a great deal of minor quibs held by the majority of the people that confuse me... one that often gets brought up here at university is the idea of promiscuity, and the apparent ease with which men are deemed "lads" and women "sluts". It's not right. People just...judge too much.

[Pyramid*]

Enid pretty much covered what I think of this thread (aside from a rare opinion from me that concerned me feeling sorry for WOMBAI and feeling like she was goaded here).

I think feminists get represented as man-hating, miserable battleaxes with no sense of humour. It's very easy to portray them as such in a male-dominated media, at least. But there are inequalities and injustices (moreso around the world than here) that have to be tackled.

That said, I disagree with artificial equality. Quotas and all that jazz. Candidacy for any place of employment, if equal, should be irrespective of gender.

But I do generally resent the idea of feminism as a dirty word, or a belief that's somehow fuelled by rage and gossip. There are a great deal of minor quibs held by the majority of the people that confuse me... one that often gets brought up here at university is the idea of promiscuity, and the apparent ease with which men are deemed "lads" and women "sluts". It's not right. People just...judge too much.


A rare thing to say Shaun, but I agree with just about everything you have said above.

Especially the part I've bolded - sad to see it still going on so very recently....you'd think that once a member was permabanned, that members could lay off them - and cease the whole ''lets laugh at the banned member doing x/y/z'' and dredging up the past. Very easy to do when someone no longer has the right to reply.

Point in case below.


lol at Wombaii deleting all her posts :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Don't forget Pyra

Oh are we the new forum battleaxes joe?... come on then then I will play the part of wombai...
Lets hear your thoughts on wimmin in the workplace 2 years on :)

[Kizzy]

For Kizzy.

Good job I don't take anything you post seriously arista.. You little minx

[InOne]

You shouldn't put yourself down kizzy, you're not a battleaxe you're a woman. #equality

[Kizzy]

You shouldn't put yourself down kizzy, you're not a battleaxe you're a woman. #equality

Would I ever?...:joker:
gender equality is so 2010, here in 2012 we are again concerned with social inequality.

[InOne]

Would I ever?...:joker:
gender equality is so 2010, here in 2012 we are again concerned with social inequality.

Elaborate...

[Jesus.]

Once all the cooking, cleaning, and ironing is finished, if a pretty little lady wants to fill her head with silly feminism, then that's her little business.

Nothing a playful slap on the arse won't knock out of her, though.

Silly girls.

[Kizzy]

Elaborate...

Well I would but it would be off topic, and to be fair it is currently in just about every newspaper the governments struggle with the widening social gap...

Do you still want me to find you some stats?.....I don't mind joe.

[arista]

Good job I don't take anything you post seriously arista.. You little minx

Spunky

[Vanessa]

Once all the cooking, cleaning, and ironing is finished, if a pretty little lady wants to fill her head with silly feminism, then that's her little business.

Nothing a playful slap on the arse won't knock out of her, though.

Silly girls.

:nono:

[Jesus.]

http://cdn.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1465smack-ass-and-pie-to-the-face.gif

That's how you deal with an outbreak of feminism in your household.


Men - know your rights.

[Vanessa]

http://cdn.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1465smack-ass-and-pie-to-the-face.gif

Women aren't just for cooking and cleaning! :nono:

[Jesus.]

Women aren't just for cooking and cleaning! :nono:

Of course you're not, sweetheart. Put the kettle on, there's a good girl.

[Vanessa]

Of course you're not, sweetheart. Put the kettle on, there's a good girl.

There's equality now! Keep up! :idc:

[Jesus.]

There's equality now! Keep up! :idc:

I fully support equality. All men are equal, and women are just a notch below.

[InOne]

Well I would but it would be off topic, and to be fair it is currently in just about every newspaper the governments struggle with the widening social gap...

Do you still want me to find you some stats?.....I don't mind joe.

Oh I know what you mean now, nah know a bit about that.

[Vanessa]

I fully support equality. All men are equal, and women are just a notch below.

You're entitled to your opinion. But i can never agree with that! :conf2:

[Jesus.]

You're entitled to your opinion. But i can't agree to that! :hmph:

Ahhhhhhh. Can't your little brain compute all the information? Is there a man nearby that you could ask to explain it to you?

[Shaun]

the sooner facebook-tits get over women/kitchen jokes the better

[arista]

You're entitled to your opinion. But i can never agree with that! :conf2:



Thats OK you sit on Me.

[Jesus.]

the sooner facebook-tits get over women/kitchen jokes the better

Get the girls onside to get access to all the poontang. Smooth.

[Kizzy]

http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/19c0df13418bbcf278c16abb1569ecdd/http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr27/TheBlueCup/Reactions/Gifs/troll-dance.gif

Dance bitches! :)

[InOne]

Did you watch the vid in the op Kizzy?:suspect:

[Kizzy]

Did you watch the vid in the op Kizzy?:suspect:

Whats with the suspicious face?....lol
Of course I did joe, it would be quite ignorant to comment on a thread without knowing the point the OP is making :)

[InOne]

Whats with the suspicious face?....lol
Of course I did joe, it would be quite ignorant to comment on a thread without knowing the point the OP is making :)

I like the smiley

[Kizzy]

I like the smiley

Oh good, I thought you were trying to say I had not watched it.

[InOne]

Oh good, I thought you were trying to say I had not watched it.

What did you think of it?

[Kizzy]

What did you think of it?

What do I think of feminism, or what do I think of her view on it?

[InOne]

What do I think of feminism, or what do I think of her view on it?

Her view on it

[Kizzy]

not much tbh, I am not suggesting she is wrong entirely but culturally eastern europeans do not have the same view on women in the workplace as westerners.

[Ninastar]

the sooner facebook-tits get over women/kitchen jokes the better

this

[Niamh.]

A rare thing to say Shaun, but I agree with just about everything you have said above.

Especially the part I've bolded - sad to see it still going on so very recently....you'd think that once a member was permabanned, that members could lay off them - and cease the whole ''lets laugh at the banned member doing x/y/z'' and dredging up the past. Very easy to do when someone no longer has the right to reply.

Point in case below.

Excuse me, I actually liked Wombai, I wasn't laughing at her I was laughing at the fact that she deleted her posts so the thread doesn't make any sense now. And I'll thank you to keep your rude opinions to your self.

[Kizzy]

I can see the posts niamh :conf:

[arista]

"I actually liked Wombai,"


Yes one of a kind
missed.

[Niamh.]

I can see the posts niamh :conf:

She deleted alot of her posts, you can't see the ones she deleted but mods still can

[InOne]

not much tbh, I am not suggesting she is wrong entirely but culturally eastern europeans do not have the same view on women in the workplace as westerners.

What is this 'western womans' view then?

[Jack_]

Have posts been deleted in here or something? :suspect:

[Vanessa]

Have posts been deleted in here or something? :suspect:

Yes, because everyone has gone way off topic! :tongue:

[Niamh.]

Thread closed yet again.