Are you in favour of an Islamic UK?

[karezza]

In 50 years time Islams will be in the majority in the UK.
Are you in favour of a Mohammedan Britain?

[cupid stunt]

id rather be dead than live in a muslim britain

[Patrick]

Same with Cupid Stunt.

[Niamh.]

oh ffs.

[Captain.Remy]

In 50 years time Islams will be in the minority in the UK.
Are you in favour of a Mohammedan Britain?

You mean "majority" right ? Otherwise your thread doesn't make sense.

[Wildcat!]

Islam IS in the minority. So whats your point? At least have your post make sense first.
But in any rate, isnt religion personal? What do you care what others believe in, as long as you have your own convictions. Weather youre atheist, Muslim or follow another religion, what does it matter to you? Or are you saying that Islam should be illegal then? Because thats the only way you can stop people following the faith they want to follow. IS that it then? Should it be banned?

[Wildcat!]

oh ffs.

Actually, I should've just said that, instead of my long post! :blush:

[Niamh.]

Actually, I should've just said that, instead of my long post! :blush:

:joker:

[cupid stunt]

Islam IS in the minority. So whats your point? At least have your post make sense first.
But in any rate, isnt religion personal? What do you care what others believe in, as long as you have your own convictions. Weather youre atheist, Muslim or follow another religion, what does it matter to you? Or are you saying that Islam should be illegal then? Because thats the only way you can stop people following the faith they want to follow. IS that it then? Should it be banned?

ye there in the minority at the moment, but if they keep poppin 20 kids out each it wont take long for tht 2 change
and while our government hands everything 2 em on a plate we have no chance, they come over here and take the ****ing piss out of us, if a christian went to pakistan and tried any of that **** they'd get there head chopped off:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

In 50 years time Islams will be in the minority in the UK.
Are you in favour of a Mohammedan Britain?

if they teach children better English^^

yes

[cupid stunt]

if they teach children better English^^

yes

A MUSLIM TEACHING BRITISH KIDS BETTER ENGLISH? MORE LIKE BRAINWASHING THEM TO BLOW THEMSELF UP:joker:

[Wildcat!]

if they teach children better English^^

yes

LOL! :laugh:

[cupid stunt]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2853450/How-Muslims-took-over-the-British-underworld.html#ixzz0fbGvCKOx
cocky little bastards like the 1 in this story are a big part of the problem, how dare the little ******* come over here and start chattin all that shite, they must want people 2 ********** hate them or something

Post edited for language. Stop trying to get round the swear filter - it's there for a reason. Kaz.

[cupid stunt]

its only pakistanis that go off like this as well, u dont see somali muslims blowing ppl up do you? they just get on with it keep themselves to themselves

[Patrick]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2853450/How-Muslims-took-over-the-British-underworld.html#ixzz0fbGvCKOx
cocky little bastards like the 1 in this story are a big part of the problem, how dare the little **** come over here and start chattin all that ****e, they must want people 2 ****ing hate them or something

*****.

[Patrick]

OMG Since when was the word ******* censored? :joker:

Post edited. That word is censored for a good reason. Kaz.

[Crimson Dynamo]

OMG Since when was the word ***** censored? :joker:

when it was an offensive and sexist term

If you cant say the word to your mother it should never be allowed in this or any forum

[Patrick]

when it was an offensive and sexist term

If you cant say the word to your mother it should never be allowed in this or any forum

:joker::joker:

[cupid stunt]

when it was an offensive and sexist term

If you cant say the word to your mother it should never be allowed in this or any forum

how is it sexist:conf: u do know its got more than 1 meaning?:conf:

[Crimson Dynamo]

how is it sexist:conf: u do know its got more than 1 meaning?:conf:

You will forgive me by not being entirely surprised that you did not get it

[karezza]

Mohammed was an epileptic cameldriver & was married to a 9-year-old girl.

[andyman]

Many moons ago the Roman empire went through the same thing... Dam Christians with their one god, whats next, churches everywhere?

[arista]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2853450/How-Muslims-took-over-the-British-underworld.html#ixzz0fbGvCKOx
cocky little bastards like the 1 in this story are a big part of the problem, how dare the little ******* come over here and start chattin all that shite, they must want people 2 ********** hate them or something

Post edited for language. Stop trying to get round the swear filter - it's there for a reason. Kaz.

The Next Offence
Lock the thread
I say.

[karezza]

The Next Offence
Lock the thread
I say.

Are you blaming me for someone else's bad language?:conf:

[arista]

Are you blaming me for someone else's bad language?:conf:


No.

[andyman]

Yes you are arista..

Sign Of The Times :bored:

[Tom4784]

ROFL to whoever linked the Sun article, very serious and truthful Newspaper there. I said in another thread but the tabloids have vilified Islam because having a constant villain in their narrative will ensure future sales. All this stuff about Islam, it's just being said to cause a Moral Panic so that the public becomes reliant on the tabloids to tell them the next part of the story.

It's not the best example but look at the expenses scandal, the Daily Mail had all the information leaked to them at once, they could have done a massive expose on it but instead they trickled out information slowly over a few weeks to cause outrage and to guarantee more sales to see what happened next.

UK's not gonna become an Islamic country because Islam's nowhere near touching Christianity in the UK and plus the stigma around it will insure the public will not accept it. It's just hyperbole and fear mongering, don't give it the time of day. It would be utter chaos if UK became an Islamic state as there would be so many people against it, it would be the cause for a lot of violence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

sadly the Sun is Tibb's most read newspaper

[Tom4784]

sadly the Sun is Tibb's most read newspaper

Yeah, I can't really remember the last time I read a paper. I just use the internet nowadays.

Oh and to answer the thread question, I'm against an islamic UK not because I'm against Islam but because it would cause a lot of conflict with the people who are, also another reason is because I don't think religion has a place in politics and Governments should remain as neutral as possible be benefit all creeds.

[InOne]

It would never happen.

[BB_Eye]

Who cares?

[cupid stunt]

The Next Offence
Lock the thread
I say.

ye its offensive tht little bastard like him are allowed 2 stay in our country:spin:

[WOMBAI]

In 50 years time Islams will be in the majority in the UK.
Are you in favour of a Mohammedan Britain?

I am sure many Muslins aspire to that - but it won't happen!

[Shasown]

I am sure many Muslins aspire to that - but it won't happen!

I dont know of any fine weave cottons aspiring to be anything. Sorry couldnt resist. :wink:

Yeah there probably are a lot of them who do.

[WOMBAI]

I dont know of any fine weave cottons aspiring to be anything. Sorry couldnt resist. :wink:

Yeah there probably are a lot of them who do.

Typos have a lot to answer for! :hugesmile:

[Shasown]

Typos have a lot to answer for! :hugesmile:

You know I love you really.

And where has the pretty blonde gone from your signature, Was she off neighbours or something?

[King Gizzard]

Deffinetly not

[WOMBAI]

You know I love you really.

And where has the pretty blonde gone from your signature, Was she off neighbours or something?

Most well known for her role in Home and Away several years ago, where she played a character called Rebecca. Unfortunately she died from breast cancer 4 years ago. Beautiful woman indeed!

[Jessica.]

Go Muhammed!

[Shasown]

Most well known for her role in Home and Away several years ago, where she played a character called Rebecca. Unfortunately she died from breast cancer 4 years ago. Beautiful woman indeed!

Thats her, thought I recognised her from somewhere. Shame about that though.

[bananarama]

ROFL to whoever linked the Sun article, very serious and truthful Newspaper there. I said in another thread but the tabloids have vilified Islam because having a constant villain in their narrative will ensure future sales. All this stuff about Islam, it's just being said to cause a Moral Panic so that the public becomes reliant on the tabloids to tell them the next part of the story.

It's not the best example but look at the expenses scandal, the Daily Mail had all the information leaked to them at once, they could have done a massive expose on it but instead they trickled out information slowly over a few weeks to cause outrage and to guarantee more sales to see what happened next.

UK's not gonna become an Islamic country because Islam's nowhere near touching Christianity in the UK and plus the stigma around it will insure the public will not accept it. It's just hyperbole and fear mongering, don't give it the time of day. It would be utter chaos if UK became an Islamic state as there would be so many people against it, it would be the cause for a lot of violence.


People used to think Hitler was no threat to the world..Complacency is very very dangerous.......When considering numbers what people quite simply ignor are the number of illegals in the country that will swell the supposed minority into something far more dangerous in the medium long term......

You mention violence would happen.It has happened has it not and will as time goes on become more and more a serous possibility.........The clash of cultures that are poles apart can only end in civil war sooner or later.......

[Shasown]

People used to think Hitler was no threat to the world..Complacency is very very dangerous.......When considering numbers what people quite simply ignor are the number of illegals in the country that will swell the supposed minority into something far more dangerous in the medium long term......

You mention violence would happen.It has happened has it not and will as time goes on become more and more a serous possibility.........The clash of cultures that are poles apart can only end in civil war sooner or later.......

I spotted today's Godwin's and claim my prize!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Are illegals allowed to vote? I would have thought the answer would be no!

[arista]

People used to think Hitler was no threat to the world..Complacency is very very dangerous.......When considering numbers what people quite simply ignor are the number of illegals in the country that will swell the supposed minority into something far more dangerous in the medium long term......

You mention violence would happen.It has happened has it not and will as time goes on become more and more a serous possibility.........The clash of cultures that are poles apart can only end in civil war sooner or later.......


Yes On Hitler
if they knew his vision
he would have been killed
by a spy.

[InOne]

Well they admire a Paedophile so no.

[Shasown]

Well they admire a Paedophile so no.

Marriage and consummation of marriage at an early age was a common practice in bedouin society in those days. bearing mind in mind it was 620 AD. The followers of Islam will claim that the consummation of the marriage was not carried out by actual intercourse but a form of foreplay.

If you want to shout about underage marriage go check out our own Good King Richard (II) and his marriage to Isabelle of France , oldest daughter of King Charles VI, was not quite seven years old when she married Richard II as his second wife in 1396. After his death 3 years later she was then ordered by King Henry IV to marry his son (the future Henry V), she refused. That was some 770 years later.

[InOne]

Marriage and consummation of marriage at an early age was a common practice in bedouin society in those days. bearing mind in mind it was 620 AD. The followers of Islam will claim that the consummation of the marriage was not carried out by actual intercourse but a form of foreplay.

If you want to shout about underage marriage go check out our own Good King Richard (II) and his marriage to Isabelle of France , oldest daughter of King Charles VI, was not quite seven years old when she married Richard II as his second wife in 1396. After his death 3 years later she was then ordered by King Henry IV to marry his son (the future Henry V), she refused. That was some 770 years later.

They married when she was 6 and had sex at 9. Richard was just a king of England, Muhammed is the founder of the fastest growing religion.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Feb/Week4/15561547.jpg

New Labour funds them
on ch4 now

[dan-uk]

sorry i will NEVER be a muslim

[Shasown]

sorry i will NEVER be a muslim

Me neither me knees will flare up with all that bloody kneeling.

[Shasown]

They married when she was 6 and had sex at 9. Richard was just a king of England, Muhammed is the founder of the fastest growing religion.

Yeah Just a King of England, Isabelle was daughter of King Charles VI, he was just the king of France. So thats two of the most powerful leaders in the known world at the time. In those days marriages between royalty would have been sanctioned by the church.

So thats basically christianity agreeing with Richard marrying a child too. 750+ years after old Mohammed, religious leader of initially a few bedouin tribes followed a common practice among his people. And married a young girl in order to confirm she was a virgin and as such pure and worthy of bearing his line.

Social customs and beliefs change through time, wasnt so long ago slavery was ok and small children worked in factories.

[InOne]

Yeah Just a King of England, Isabelle was daughter of King Charles VI, he was just the king of France. So thats two of the most powerful leaders in the known world at the time. In those days marriages between royalty would have been sanctioned by the church.

So thats basically christianity agreeing with Richard marrying a child too. 750+ years after old Mohammed, religious leader of initially a few bedouin tribes followed a common practice among his people. And married a young girl in order to confirm she was a virgin and as such pure and worthy of bearing his line.

Social customs and beliefs change through time, wasnt so long ago slavery was ok and small children worked in factories.

Might have been ok then, but why should we accept them and what they got upto now?

[Shasown]

Might have been ok then, but why should we accept them and what they got upto now?


Then there is no need to insult their prophet and their religion (if you want to class it as that), for customs and beliefs that have changed, I am not saying you should respect it, just dont denigrate it out of context. There are more than enough things you can rip into a lot of mainstream muslim belief for.

We have to accept them because if we dont they will call us racist and Gordon and Company will stick up for them.

[InOne]

Then there is no need to insult their prophet and their religion (if you want to class it as that), for customs and beliefs that have changed, I am not saying you should respect it, just dont denigrate it out of context. There are more than enough things you can rip into a lot of mainstream muslim belief for.

We have to accept them because if we dont they will call us racist and Gordon and Company will stick up for them.

Well their prophet and religion should be insulted. But women still get treated badly even in the UK and people don't say anything cos of 'respect'. And it's not insulting it's just the truth.

[Shasown]

Well their prophet and religion should be insulted. But women still get treated badly even in the UK and people don't say anything cos of 'respect'. And it's not insulting it's just the truth.

Will give you that one, no arguement on their treatment of women. I did say there were a lot of other things people can rip into them for.

[InOne]

Will give you that one, no arguement on their treatment of women. I did say there were a lot of other things people can rip into them for.

Yeah man, did you see that doc on Sharia courts in the UK? Not good.

[Shasown]

Yeah man, did you see that doc on Sharia courts in the UK? Not good.

Yeah but as soon as you start saying no they cant do that, they pull out the race/religion card.

Sharia Law can work in house as it were, where its principles are used to solve purely muslim problems in business or religious matters for example, it should not be used for any of the Hadd offenses(where the punishment is amputations stonings etc).

It clashes with modern western law in many ways particularly that it favours men in disputes, in divorce etc. However Sharia rulings have no legal basis in UK law and if a person felt they werent being treated equally then they can apply for resolution in the UK courts.

It does not nor should ever be allowed to over rule the law of the land, of whichever country it is allowed to be practiced. For example it allows polygamy, who wants that? Just think of all the extra mother in laws.

In countries that do go by Sharia Law you very rarely hear of men being stoned to death for adultery, at least not as often as you hear of women undergoing that barbaric punishment. Now I know that is the punishment for married people and the punishemnt for singles is 100 lashes. Could it be that ALL Muslim men are most honorable and honest and would NEVER EVER do anything like that, it practically says so in the Qu'ran, at least it implies that. That is why it is necessary to beat a wayward wife sometimes. After all, if it weren't for women's existence, men wouldn't desire them in the first place.

And anyone who hides behind it in the UK having commited a Hadd punishment or even being involved in such a trial should be punished to the fullest extent of the law as having complicity in any offences.

If they want to live in a country that is under total Sharia Law, then perhaps they should start phoning BA or similar and finding flight details.

[InOne]

Yeah but as soon as you start saying no they cant do that, they pull out the race/religion card.

Sharia Law can work in house as it were, where its principles are used to solve purely muslim problems in business or religious matters for example, it should not be used for any of the Hadd offenses(where the punishment is amputations stonings etc).

It clashes with modern western law in many ways particularly that it favours men in disputes, in divorce etc. However Sharia rulings have no legal basis in UK law and if a person felt they werent being treated equally then they can apply for resolution in the UK courts.

It does not nor should ever be allowed to over rule the law of the land, of whichever country it is allowed to be practiced. For example it allows polygamy, who wants that? Just think of all the extra mother in laws.

In countries that do go by Sharia Law you very rarely hear of men being stoned to death for adultery, at least not as often as you hear of women undergoing that barbaric punishment. Now I know that is the punishment for married people and the punishemnt for singles is 100 lashes. Could it be that ALL Muslim men are most honorable and honest and would NEVER EVER do anything like that, it practically says so in the Qu'ran, at least it implies that. That is why it is necessary to beat a wayward wife sometimes. After all, if it weren't for women's existence, men wouldn't desire them in the first place.

And anyone who hides behind it in the UK having commited a Hadd punishment or even being involved in such a trial should be punished to the fullest extent of the law as having complicity in any offences.

Yeah man, but alot are citizens of the UK. It's easy to say 'let the muslims get on with it' But the wife never has a choice of which court it goes too. And they are too scared to do anything cos of the backlash they'd get from both families. Some muslim women have it tough over here, cos if they don't comply they'd just get sent to pakistan or wherever and basically married off. I mean, they have progressed but it still goes on. Our goverment should not allow though courts to exist and you know it.

[Shasown]

Yeah man, but alot are citizens of the UK. It's easy to say 'let the muslims get on with it' But the wife never has a choice of which court it goes too. And they are too scared to do anything cos of the backlash they'd get from both families. Some muslim women have it tough over here, cos if they don't comply they'd just get sent to pakistan or wherever and basically married off. I mean, they have progressed but it still goes on. Our goverment should not allow though courts to exist and you know it.

Admitted the wife may be ostracised by her family and the muslim community at large, however that is her decision, she can expect to be treated as equal in any civil UK court.

Of course it still goes on, forced or arranged marriage and for some it always will, however they at least do have the option to opt out now, which is more than they would have if resident in some other countries.

The family either collectively or its head took a decision to reside in the UK, that means complying with its laws and customs as well as receiving asylum/residency, when seeking rights they also receive responsibilities. One of these responsibilities is to comply with the UK laws of the land. Included in those laws are those covering sexual equality.

It may sound harsh but some would consider it a case of tough love.

Unfortunately you cant say all Sharia matters should be dealt with in a UK court as a precedent has already been set in UK by the acceptance of the Beth Din, the Jewish religious courts over the last few hundred years.

[InOne]

Admitted the wife may be ostracised by her family and the muslim community at large, however that is her decision, she can expect to be treated as equal in any civil UK court.

Of course it still goes on, forced or arranged marriage and for some it always will, however they at least do have the option to opt out now, which is more than they would have if resident in some other countries.

The family either collectively or its head took a decision to reside in the UK, that means complying with its laws and customs as well as receiving asylum/residency, when seeking rights they also receive responsibilities. One of these responsibilities is to comply with the UK laws of the land. Included in those laws are those covering sexual equality.

It may sound harsh but some would consider it a case of tough love.

Unfortunately you cant say all Sharia matters should be dealt with in a UK court as a precedent has already been set in UK by the acceptance of the Beth Din, the Jewish religious courts over the last few hundred years.

Yeah, I just remembered about the Jewish courts. And yeah, it's just sad to see we open courts purely based on religious laws, no matter what religion

[Shasown]

Yeah, I just remembered about the Jewish courts. And yeah, it's just sad to see we open courts purely based on religious laws, no matter what religion

The thing about Sharia is its difference in standards through the Muslim religion, women are only required to dress modestly, they dont have to be burka covered, its all down to local traditional interpretation.

Similarly if its applied properly ALL people are equal, there should be no disdain of women or non muslims, (dare i say it Infidels), pmsl. In theory if you are a muslim you stay a muslim if you leave the faith, you are guilty od apostacy and can be executed.

What really gets me though is why half of the disenchanted listen to the mullahs and Imans in the UK. They claim benefits etc and as such its a very grey area, if you are in need there is nothing wrong with accepting charity, however one of the pillars of the Islam faith is that God has made it obligatory to support oneself and those one is responsible for. So how can Hookie and his ilk claim all those benefits and then have the gall to teach their version of the faith. And why do those taken in by him and his like actually listen to them in the first place.

[InOne]

The thing about Sharia is its difference in standards through the Muslim religion, women are only required to dress modestly, they dont have to be burka covered, its all down to local traditional interpretation.

Similarly if its applied properly ALL people are equal, there should be no disdain of women or non muslims, (dare i say it Infidels), pmsl. In theory if you are a muslim you stay a muslim if you leave the faith, you are guilty od apostacy and can be executed.

What really gets me though is why half of the disenchanted listen to the mullahs and Imans in the UK. They claim benefits etc and as such its a very grey area, if you are in need there is nothing wrong with accepting charity, however one of the pillars of the Islam faith is that God has made it obligatory to support oneself and those one is responsible for. So how can Hookie and his ilk claim all those benefits and then have the gall to teach their version of the faith. And why do those taken in by him and his like actually listen to them in the first place.

That is what it is man. And why they always play the race card. It's pretty sickening to see women wearing burkas over here. It has nothing to do with Islam lol But yeah, if we even talk about this stuff we get called racist and that. People go on about all the Abrahamic being bad, which they are but Islam is by far the worst. They have shown that through violence, and to their own people as well!!

[Shasown]

Yep thats true. However Islam like Judaism and Christianity is also a son of Abraham. Shame they all cant find the common ground instead of the differences. World would be a far better place.

[InOne]

Yep thats true. However Islam like Judaism and Christianity is also a son of Abraham. Shame they all cant find the common ground instead of the differences. World would be a far better place.

Would be better if none existed at all.

[Shasown]

Would be better if none existed at all.

Wouldnt like to make a comment either way on that, one thing is for certain, without it the world would be a totally different place.

[InOne]

Wouldnt like to make a comment either way on that, one thing is for certain, without it the world would be a totally different place.

It's sad today though religion is still able to control alot of weak minded people

[Shasown]

It's sad today though religion is still able to control alot of weak minded people

Thats one way of looking at it, however a lot of religious people would take umbrage at that. Nothing wrong with a belief in the meaning of life. So long as you dont follow blindly.

[InOne]

Thats one way of looking at it, however a lot of religious people would take umbrage at that. Nothing wrong with a belief in the meaning of life. So long as you dont follow blindly.

But isn't it weird that some are good only cos of the fear of God? And then they say Atheists have no morals?

[Shasown]

But isn't it weird that some are good only cos of the fear of God? And then they say Atheists have no morals?

A valid point in some cases however, in a lot of religions, you dont need to fear god, you transgress(sin), you ask for forgiveness, you attone, you are as good as new.

It could be said Atheists are only good because of the fear of the law of the land.

[InOne]

A valid point in some cases however, in a lot of religions, you dont need to fear god, you transgress(sin), you ask for forgiveness, you attone, you are as good as new.

It could be said Atheists are only good because of the fear of the law of the land.

Yeah I guess so. But like we always see extreme examples of religious people abusing their powers such as Jonestown and The Branch Davidians. Sort of covers up what actually goes on.

[Shasown]

Yeah I guess so. But like we always see extreme examples of religious people abusing their powers such as Jonestown and The Branch Davidians. Sort of covers up what actually goes on.

There are fundis and nutters in all walks of life. Sects do attract the gullible, the weak and the easily led.

[InOne]

There are fundis and nutters in all walks of life. Sects do attract the gullible, the weak and the easily led.

Yep, but some attract loads.

[Shasown]

Wasnt it an atheist led the Jonestown lot?

And the Waco seige, lots of outside observers have stated the overuse of force by the FBI and ATF etc. I recall Bill Hicks and some of his entourage claiming witness to it.

[InOne]

Wasnt it an atheist led the Jonestown lot?

And the Waco seige, lots of outside observers have stated the overuse of force by the FBI and ATF etc. I recall Bill Hicks and some of his entourage claiming witness to it.

Nah it was Jim Jones the preacher. Yeah, the FBI ****ed up with the Waco thing. Was really no need for it at all.

[Shasown]

Nah it was Jim Jones the preacher. Yeah, the FBI ****ed up with the Waco thing. Was really no need for it at all.

Yeah but didnt Jones state a few times he was an atheist and a socialist, after the press got on his case. He was more interested in a communist(as in socialist as opposed to communal) paradise than a religious one.

[InOne]

Yeah but didnt Jones state a few times he was an atheist and a socialist, after the press got on his case. He was more interested in a communist(as in socialist as opposed to communal) paradise than a religious one.

Well we know he was not religious. He liked the power. But in the end, it was not even him killed them all, it was his own followers that gave the drink to the babies. Pretty crazy eh, such control of those people.

[Shasown]

Well we know he was not religious. He liked the power. But in the end, it was not even him killed them all, it was his own followers that gave the drink to the babies. Pretty crazy eh, such control of those people.

Did it not have something to do with the murder of a senator or congressman and some of his followers who wanted to go back home to the US?

[InOne]

Did it not have something to do with the murder of a senator or congressman and some of his followers who wanted to go back home to the US?

Well they did that TV report over there. And it was all peacful until they all tried to leave and they all got shot at on the runway.

[Shasown]

Must admit whenever i have been unarmed or outgunned, I have tended to so what the other people with guns have said.

[InOne]

Must admit whenever i have been unarmed or outgunned, I have tended to so what the other people with guns have said.

When have you come across a situation with guns?

[Shasown]

When have you come across a situation with guns?

Worked with and without them many times in the forces and since in a security role.

[InOne]

Worked with and without them many times in the forces and since in a security role.

Ahhhh right nice. I guess we can't really judge people until we're in their situation. You ever watched any of the series Most Evil?

[Shasown]

Ahhhh right nice. I guess we can't really judge people until we're in their situation. You ever watched any of the series Most Evil?

The show that profiles murders etc, yeah seen a few of them, not all.

Interesting stuff. Cant say i would like to have to do his job, getting into the mind of serial killers etc, cant be good for your own mental health.

[InOne]

The show that profiles murders etc, yeah seen a few of them, not all.

Interesting stuff. Cant say i would like to have to do his job, getting into the mind of serial killers etc, cant be good for your own mental health.

Well it fascinates some people I guess. And unless you're a sadist or Psychopath ect, I doubt you'd ever really get into their mind. They thrive on the attention. It's also weird how the killer is remembered yes the vicitms forgotton. Wonder what that says about society?

[Shasown]

Yeah I suppose it is a failing in society in some ways the killer becomes more important that the victim.

However, it could also be a simple act of memory, take for example the name Peter Sutcliffe, it would have appeared many times after his arrest and during his trial, whereas remembering the names of his victims, both murder victims and numerous victims of his attacks would be asking too much of the memory.

[InOne]

Yeah I suppose it is a failing in society in some ways the killer becomes more important that the victim.

However, it could also be a simple act of memory, take for example the name Peter Sutcliffe, it would have appeared many times after his arrest and during his trial, whereas remembering the names of his victims, both murder victims and numerous victims of his attacks would be asking too much of the memory.

Yeah true man. But that is the thing, they were just faces to him and they become faces to us. We have been hardened to these kind of things with the moors murders and that, but what he did was still pretty shocking. And the level of violence involved. He wasn't even a sex killer really either.

[Shasown]

Yeah I suppose in some ways we have become hardened to it, saying that (god forbid) should someone close to us or even ourselves become victims of an isolated act of murder or violence it would still shock.

Maybe its our own fault for allowing the media to dictate to us, what we are interested in watching, what emphasis is given to certain failings in our society.

Lets face it TV producers decided what we would be watching tonight, not what we would want to watch but what they decided to offer us. Newspaper editors decide what story they will force on us tomorrow morning.

[InOne]

Yep, that is why I don't really bother with TV anymore, prefer to read and that.

[Shasown]

Yep, that is why I don't really bother with TV anymore, prefer to read and that.

Yeah I tend to go with that, TV can seem like its for people too lazy to read etc. saying that i can be lazy and just go with it. News items and the like can be more instant. and there are good investigative journalists working for TV companies. But again you pretty much always get a subjective point of view regardless whether its on the TV in books newspapers or magazines.

[InOne]

Yeah I tend to go with that, TV can seem like its for people too lazy to read etc. saying that i can be lazy and just go with it. News items and the like can be more instant. and there are good investigative journalists working for TV companies. But again you pretty much always get a subjective point of view regardless whether its on the TV in books newspapers or magazines.

Pretty much, but it's all we got lol Some docs are very good though, mostly the old ones now that are just on youtube

[NettoSuperstar!]

It is never gonna happen, anyone who thinks that it is a possibility has got a screw loose (muslim or otherwise)

[BB_Eye]

ye there in the minority at the moment, but if they keep poppin 20 kids out each it wont take long for tht 2 change
and while our government hands everything 2 em on a plate we have no chance, they come over here and take the ****ing piss out of us, if a christian went to pakistan and tried any of that **** they'd get there head chopped off:joker:

The number one procreative force in this country are unemployed, antisocial, white neanderthals so you of all people needn't worry.

[Shasown]

The number one procreative force in this country are unemployed, antisocial, white neanderthals so you of all people needn't worry.

No mate this antisocial white neanderthal had the snip a few years ago and is Ja'ffa.

[BB_Eye]

No mate this antisocial white neanderthal had the snip a few years ago and is Ja'ffa.

Oh well, good on you.

Everyone who refuses to have kids is only doing their duty to reduce the world's surplus population. :D

[Shasown]

Oh well, good on you.

Everyone who refuses to have kids is only doing their duty to reduce the world's surplus population. :D

LOL nah I have got children, it was more a health concern thing, why should my long term partner continue to take chemical contraception, given the potential damaging effect it has upon womens health, when I could just go and be gelded.

The things we do for love eh?

[WOMBAI]

LOL nah I have got children, it was more a health concern thing, why should my long term partner continue to take chemical contraception, given the potential damaging effect it has upon womens health, when I could just go and be gelded.

The things we do for love eh?

Nicely put! :hugesmile:

[Shaun]

*dreams of a beautiful TiBB without cupid stunt, karezza or Patrick*

[King Gizzard]

Deffinetly deffinetly deffinetly not

[InOne]

It is never gonna happen, anyone who thinks that it is a possibility has got a screw loose (muslim or otherwise)

Indeed, or St George will have to start slaying some more dragons.

[BB_Eye]

*dreams of a beautiful TiBB without cupid stunt, karezza or Patrick*

I might not get along with Patrick, but I have nothing against him.

[Jessica.]

:thumbs:

[BB_Eye]

*dreams of a beautiful TiBB without cupid stunt, karezza or Patrick*

Steady on there...

I don't get along with Patrick, but his only crime is being a typical teenager to be honest. Karezza is an intentionally over the top character. Letting him bother you is too much like playing into his hands.

As for cupid stunt well... he's already gone. :joker:

[cupid stunt]

Steady on there...

I don't get along with Patrick, but his only crime is being a typical teenager to be honest. Karezza is an intentionally over the top character. Letting him bother you is too much like playing into his hands.

As for cupid stunt well... he's already gone. :joker:

lol am i gone nah

[cupid stunt]

The number one procreative force in this country are unemployed, antisocial, white neanderthals so you of all people needn't worry.
good we need more british people for wen the war in the streets kicks off

[cupid stunt]

Steady on there...

I don't get along with Patrick, but his only crime is being a typical teenager to be honest. Karezza is an intentionally over the top character. Letting him bother you is too much like playing into his hands.

As for cupid stunt well... he's already gone. :joker:

you know what pal, if you love muslims so much why dont u go and live in pakistan, am sure youll get a warm welcome:devil:

[cupid stunt]

Who cares?

youll care when every1 whos british gets stoned 2 death

[cupid stunt]

its always the same trendy student types that like to make out there so tolerating and understanding int it?

[cupid stunt]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Feb/Week4/15561547.jpg

New Labour funds them
on ch4 now

those scum bags are even in the goverment now WE HAVE NO CHANCE UNLESS WE STAND N FIGHT KICK THEM BACK OUT

[cupid stunt]

*dreams of a beautiful TiBB without cupid stunt, karezza or Patrick*

not gonna happen pal

[WOMBAI]

I wouldn't be too sure of that - with your very limited and crude vocabulary! Just a matter of time!

[cupid stunt]

I wouldn't be too sure of that - with your very limited and crude vocabulary! Just a matter of time!

nah i just speak me mind AM PROUD OF MA COUNTRY AND WE SHUDNT LET A BUNCH OF MUSLIM SPONGERS TEK OVER

[excommunist1]

You mean "majority" right ? Otherwise your thread doesn't make sense.
They'll be the majority in France since you stupid laique socialist morons have let 10,000,000 of them into your sacred country.

[WOMBAI]

In 50 years time Islams will be in the majority in the UK.
Are you in favour of a Mohammedan Britain?

Only Muslims are likely to be in favour of an islamic Britain!

[30stone]

No.

[cupid stunt]

no CHANCE NO WAY
BRITISH PPL WILL NEVER LET MUSLIMS TAKE OVER, KICK ALL THE BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS OUT

[eye sea]

No.

[lily.]

People used to think Hitler was no threat to the world..Complacency is very very dangerous.......When considering numbers what people quite simply ignor are the number of illegals in the country that will swell the supposed minority into something far more dangerous in the medium long term......

You mention violence would happen.It has happened has it not and will as time goes on become more and more a serous possibility.........The clash of cultures that are poles apart can only end in civil war sooner or later.......

I agree with this. We have become too complacent. There's unrest today at the prospect of N.I. contributions being raised in the budget. A lot of people feel it's to support the people coming into this country who don't contribute to our economy.

[Tom4784]

It'll never happen, how exactly does anyone propose that we'd become a muslim country? Christianity outnumbers Islam completely in this country and it's ulikely that the government would say 'Yeah we're putting the Shariah Law into effect LOLZ!'. This country's a democracy and the people by large wouldn't go for it which is right as no religion should impact on how a country is run.

I couls tear apart Cupid Stunts posts but there's so many contradictions and inaccuracies that they speak for themselves.

[cupid stunt]

It'll never happen, how exactly does anyone propose that we'd become a muslim country? Christianity outnumbers Islam completely in this country and it's ulikely that the government would say 'Yeah we're putting the Shariah Law into effect LOLZ!'. This country's a democracy and the people by large wouldn't go for it which is right as no religion should impact on how a country is run.

I couls tear apart Cupid Stunts posts but there's so many contradictions and inaccuracies that they speak for themselves.

nah mate, it would be easy, especially with bleeding hearts like you, THE GOVERNMENT BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO LICK MUSLIMS ARSES THEY GET AWAY WI JUST ABOUT ANYTHING, THEY COME OVER HERE AND DO THERE SICK HONOUR KILLINGS AND BASTARDS LIKE ANJEM CHOURDARY SPREAD THERE POISON , I RECKON WITHIN 50 YEARS AT MOST BRITAIN WILL BE MOSTLY MUSLIM, THE BIRDS ALL POP 20 KIDS OUT AT ONCE IT WONT TAKE LONG, LOOK AT BRADFORD THE WHOLE UK WILL BE LIKE THAT 1 DAY IF WE DONT KICK THESE BASTARDS OUT

[Tom4784]

nah mate, it would be easy, especially with bleeding hearts like you, THE GOVERNMENT BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO LICK MUSLIMS ARSES THEY GET AWAY WI JUST ABOUT ANYTHING, THEY COME OVER HERE AND DO THERE SICK HONOUR KILLINGS AND BASTARDS LIKE ANJEM CHOURDARY SPREAD THERE POISON , I RECKON WITHIN 50 YEARS AT MOST BRITAIN WILL BE MOSTLY MUSLIM, THE BIRDS ALL POP 20 KIDS OUT AT ONCE IT WONT TAKE LONG, LOOK AT BRADFORD THE WHOLE UK WILL BE LIKE THAT 1 DAY IF WE DONT KICK THESE BASTARDS OUT

Calm down Nick Griffin.

Okay then give me a logical and realistic way that Britain could become a Islamic country, I won't be holding my breath on a decent answer.

[cupid stunt]

i just did give you a logical reason, its up to you whether you believe it, I FOR ONE DO NOT WANT FUTURE KIDS AND GRAND KIDS TO BE GROWING UP IN A MUSLIM STATE

[Shasown]

i just did give you a logical reason, its up to you whether you believe it, I FOR ONE DO NOT WANT FUTURE KIDS AND GRAND KIDS TO BE GROWING UP IN A MUSLIM STATE

The constitution of this country is secular that means religion doesnt rule. Athough the number of people who claim Islam as their religion is rising faster than the numbers of Christians, the number of people who adhere to no faith is also rising, at a greater rate than the increase for Islam.

Top tip, Capital letters have greater effect when used to emphasise key points as opposed to when having a rant.

[Tom4784]

i just did give you a logical reason, its up to you whether you believe it, I FOR ONE DO NOT WANT FUTURE KIDS AND GRAND KIDS TO BE GROWING UP IN A MUSLIM STATE

Oh so the big bad Islam religion's gonna take over because of it's practicioners having kids :laugh:

What about the few billion Christians, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics and followers of other religions that live here? Do they just disappear in this future of yours or are they forcibly converted like a Cyberman from Dr Who? :joker: Please answer, I need a good laugh.

Like Shas has said we have a secular constitution, no religion will ever dominate so stop trying to spread your hysteric bile and stop trying to justify being a racist.

[sovietunion01]

The constitution of this country is secular that means religion doesnt rule. Athough the number of people who claim Islam as their religion is rising faster than the numbers of Christians, the number of people who adhere to no faith is also rising, at a greater rate than the increase for Islam.

Top tip, Capital letters have greater effect when used to emphasise key points as opposed to when having a rant.
Nowhere in the British constitution is that said. Britain isn't officially a secular country at all - Christianity is the state religion. And haven't you every heard about constitutional reform? Nothing's set in stone.

[sovietunion01]

Oh so the big bad Islam religion's gonna take over because of it's practicioners having kids :laugh:

What about the few billion Christians, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics and followers of other religions that live here? Do they just disappear in this future of yours or are they forcibly converted like a Cyberman from Dr Who? :joker: Please answer, I need a good laugh.

Like Shas has said we have a secular constitution, no religion will ever dominate so stop trying to spread your hysteric bile and stop trying to justify being a racist.
Well you're very naive then. This is a reality. The birth-rate amongst Muslims in Europe is 4 babies per woman, amongst all other Europeans it's more like 1.7 babies per woman. Natural population replacement is 2 babies per woman. So the European population as a whole is declining but the Muslim population at the current rate has the potential to double every 25 years or so. So yes now they’re only a minority, but they’ll conquer us eventually with their wombs. There’s a demographic crisis at the moment, the only reason you don’t hear about it is because politicians are burying their heads in the sand hoping it will go away.

Britain, Scandinavia, Italy and Spain are in a much better situation than the rest of Western Europe because at the moment Muslims count for about 3% of these populations. But in France, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and Austria, Muslims count for about 6-10% of the population. In France there could be as many 10,000,000 Muslims (no-one knows exactly because information about religion isn’t asked for on the national census) out of a total population of about 60,000,000. What’s ridiculous is that the birth-rate among French Muslims is higher than the birth-rate amongst North-African Muslims (whence they came). In France, there will be 20,000,000 by 2028 and 40,000,000 by 2046 at the current birth rate.

Christianity is still growing rapidly in the world, but that's mainly down to Sub-Saharan African countries which are embracing the religion.

[Shasown]

Nowhere in the British constitution is that said. Britain isn't officially a secular country at all - Christianity is the state religion. And haven't you every heard about constitutional reform? Nothing's set in stone.

So what you are saying is the MP's in Parliament dont really decide policy, its all decided by the Church of England? And in the Scottish Parliament its decided by the Presbyterian Church of Scotland. The term state religion is a bit misleading, yes Christianity is currently the main religion (in one of its many forms) in the UK.

Whilst it is true that Britain is not officially secular it is a democracy with a constitutional monarchy. Without going the whole way and formally declaring secularity which would mean the abolition of the monarchy as the titular head of state. Incidentally because of this current state it should let you sleep at night without nightmares of the future you envision of a Muslim takeover.

I decided not to comment on your second post as it appears to be a cut and paste jobby direct from The Saint Nicks Pocket Book of Anti Muslim Rants.

Incidentally what rank are you in Nlck Griffin's Brownshirts?

[sovietunion01]

So what you are saying is the MP's in Parliament dont really decide policy, its all decided by the Church of England? And in the Scottish Parliament its decided by the Presbyterian Church of Scotland. The term state religion is a bit misleading, yes Christianity is currently the main religion (in one of its many forms) in the UK.

Whilst it is true that Britain is not officially secular it is a democracy with a constitutional monarchy. Without going the whole way and formally declaring secularity which would mean the abolition of the monarchy as the titular head of state. Incidentally because of this current state it should let you sleep at night without nightmares of the future you envision of a Muslim takeover.
I didn't say they're definitely going to take over, but they are going to become more asserative and more influential as they increase in numbers. And if there's enough of them it doesn't matter about some ancient monarchy or what's written in the constitution, with enough of them represented in the House of Commons they could easily reform the constitution. The world our children will inherit will be very different to the world we live in now. This isn't fantastic right-wing propaganda, it's reality.

Incidentally what rank are you in Nlck Griffin's Brownshirts?
I don't have anything against individual Muslims, nor Arabs, so I'm not racist at all. What I oppose is the growing influence of Islam in Europe. Of course liberals/socialists like you look forward to an Islamic future. :rolleyes:

[Shasown]

I didn't say they're definitely going to take over, but they are going to become more asserative and more influential as they increase in numbers. And if there's enough of them it doesn't matter about some ancient monarchy or what's written in the constitution, with enough of them represented in the House of Commons they could easily reform the constitution. The world our children will inherit will be very different to the world we live in now. This isn't fantastic right-wing propaganda, it's reality.


I don't have anything against individual Muslims, nor Arabs, so I'm not racist at all. What I oppose is the growing influence of Islam in Europe. Of course liberals/socialists like you look forward to an Islamic future. :rolleyes:

Easily reform the constitution, dont talk daft. have you seen how many attempts from middle of the road politicians there has been to reform just minor parts of it like the Act of Settlement and provisions relating to the Succession.

Of course the world will be different, hopefully with fully integrated cultures forming a reasonable society.

I am neither a liberal or a socialist. I am a realist.

I know I, my children and grandchildren will be able to sleep safe in our beds knowing we have the likes of your good self defending us from the evil underhand conspiracy of those pesky Islamics. Herr Sturmbannfuhrer.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I didn't say they're definitely going to take over, but they are going to become more asserative and more influential as they increase in numbers. And if there's enough of them it doesn't matter about some ancient monarchy or what's written in the constitution, with enough of them represented in the House of Commons they could easily reform the constitution. The world our children will inherit will be very different to the world we live in now. This isn't fantastic right-wing propaganda, it's reality.


I don't have anything against individual Muslims, nor Arabs, so I'm not racist at all. What I oppose is the growing influence of Islam in Europe. Of course liberals/socialists like you look forward to an Islamic future. :rolleyes:

haha the march of the muslims (An homogenous group of people with the same values priorities and viewpoints) hellbent on world domination mwahahahahaha JeEZ!:joker:

[Wildcat!]

Lmao AT THIS THREAD! :laugh:

DO you know how many countries have Sharia law? I think its 6 or 7. Countries that have a 95% muslim population like Senegal, dont have SHaria law. Ann you think Britain is in risk of having such law. Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh: Dumbasses!!

[Tom4784]

Ah what a hoot, this 'evil' muslims are gonna outbreed us :laugh: Please keep it coming I'm in hysterics here, Again the point from my last post. what about the millions of people that live in this country that aren't muslim? Do they just all suddenly become infertile or something?

It's hilarious watching members trying to defend their prejudices.