Abortion 'Tweeter' Hit By Fierce Backlash

[arista]

SkyNews Live Debate in 6mins time on this.



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Abotion is Legal
why do these Freaks not leave this Good Woman Alone.


Live debate with two sides on SkyNews in a min

[InOne]

Well what a a world we live it. A running commentry of abortion posted on twitter. Bitch deserves all she gets.

[arista]

Well what a a world we live it. A running commentry of abortion posted on twitter. Bitch deserves all she gets.

No Bitch.
She has Every Legal Right to have a Abortion.
That is the Issue

[Enid]

I don't think there is anything wrong with this. Pro-choice to have an abortion. Pro-choice to tweet about it.

[InOne]

No Bitch.
She has Every Legal Right to have a Abortion.
That is the Issue

Yes but why make a song and dance about it?

[Stu]

She wanted to demystify abortion. Fair play to her. Her first child has special needs, and yet it is these religious nuts who go on about how children are gods gift and you should have them.

[arista]

I don't think there is anything wrong with this. Pro-choice to have an abortion. Pro-choice to tweet about it.


Bang On Right Enid


As the Older Lady on SkyNews just pointed out it was not even a baby
it was so early.

[arista]

She wanted to demystify abortion. Fair play to her. Her first child has special needs, and yet it is these religious nuts who go on about how children are gods gift and you should have them.



Yes Wise Stu
Fair Play to her.

[Enid]

Bang On Right Enid


As the Older Lady on SkyNews just pointed out it was not even a baby
it was so early.
Well that is up for debate.

Women are having abortions left, right and centre. It was only a matter of time before someone was going to reveal all the dirty details.

[arista]

Yes but why make a song and dance about it?


No Dance here
this is Fair play
and SkyNews are debating it now.

[arista]

Well that is up for debate.

Women are having abortions left, right and centre. It was only a matter of time before someone was going to reveal all the dirty details.



Yes it is a New Age on the Internet.

[Iceman]

People share just about everything else on twitter, why not this? She isn't breaking the Law or doing anything illegal by tweeting about this.....sure it might make an uncomfortable read but its not for us to say she shouldnt.

[Tom4784]

I don't think there is anything wrong with this. Pro-choice to have an abortion. Pro-choice to tweet about it.

I agree totally, it's ridiculous the amount of backlash she's recieved.

[Stu]

I love how the Christian right wing are attacking her lack of discretion by openly grilling her in the media and comparing her to a scorpion.

[lime]

These pro- lifers really annoy me.
I live in Ireland and about a year ago we went to local for sunday lunch.When I took my 5yr old to the toilet they had covered the place in posters of images of abortion and smeared the place in red paint.FFS it was 3 o clock in the afternoon,place was packed with children.Really sick people!!

Also these bloody christians standing outside the clinics waving placards and chanting verses from the "good book" at those girls/women going in.COWARDS
They will say they do it because they are trying to protect the unborn ...but you never see them waving their placards outside the house of heroin dealers who have no problem selling to pregnant women.No young girls are a much easier target.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It think that is prevalent to point out that if you are a Christian then generally you are against abortion. For many pro-choice = pro-murder based on what they subscribe too as Christians.

Abortion is painful and to kill an unborn child involves burning, smothering, dismembering and crushing (on live babies that have not been specifically anaesthetized). Christians believe what the Bible states:

For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

Your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

From Psalm 139

Now whether you agree with that is not the point, this is what Christians believe and calling them freaks because you dont agree is a futile waste of time. People who email this lady with insults and threats are not being Christians they are being fallen humans and it is to be condemned.

Personally I think the woman has a screw or two loose and is enjoying the notoriety. This is not something for Twitter ffs but it is legal and so I guess it is just a sad fact of 2010.

It is a horrid story that involves the death of a person.

[Stu]

Anyone who believes in The Bible is a freak if you ask me, and it's entirely within my right to say that. I do agree with you though that this is pretty much what Christians should believe. I don't respect Christians beliefs, but I certainly have more respect for the fundamentalist weirdos, believe it or not, than these Christian Lites who want all the feelgood aspects of religious belief but don't have the balls to practice and preach.

[Enid]

I think they're all freaks. The religious mentalists and the ones that are just because they were Christened when they were a few months old, they have no clue what their religion is exactly but believe in God, anyway.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think they're all freaks. The religious mentalists and the ones that are just because they were Christened when they were a few months old, they have no clue what their religion is exactly but believe in God, anyway.

But Enid you just made them up. Who are these people, where are you meeting them?

To suggest that an adult just believes because they were christened and have never questioned, read, investigated and made a sound judgement on their faith is simply ridiculous.

[Enid]

But Enid you just made them up. Who are these people, where are you meeting them?

To suggest that an adult just believes because they were christened and have never questioned, read, investigated and made a sound judgement on their faith is simply ridiculous.
My parents are these people...

[Stu]

But Enid you just made them up. Who are these people, where are you meeting them?

To suggest that an adult just believes because they were christened and have never questioned, read, investigated and made a sound judgement on their faith is simply ridiculous.
Many of these people exist, though.

As a Christian do you not agree that it's better to wait until the kid is older and he can make his own choice?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Many of these people exist, though.

As a Christian do you not agree that it's better to wait until the kid is older and he can make his own choice?

No. In the same way one would not do the same for music taste, TV, politics, morality and just about everything else you can tell a kid. It is called parenting and you bring your children up the way you see fit. To suggest that a teenager cannot then make a yes/maybe or no decision solely on religion but can about everything else is crazy.

"son, now you are 15 I want to tell you about something I have kept from you...football and I want you to choose which team you will support, but before you do let me tell you about Brighton and Hove Albion.."

[Stu]

Your comparing supporting a football team to belief in a -

- screw it. I know where this is going. Suffice to say your argument has more holes in it than a brothel.

They can choose to be baptized when they feel they can make up their own minds. I wouldn't raise a kid and formally throw a big shindig to Christen him as a metalhead, then take him to metal concerts every Sunday from a young age and teach him it's moral to believe in metal and that metal will save your sou -

- again, you get the picture.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Your comparing supporting a football team to belief in a -

- screw it. I know where this is going. Suffice to say your argument has more holes in it than a brothel.

They can choose to be baptized when they feel they can make up their own minds. I wouldn't raise a kid and formally throw a big shindig to Christen him as a metalhead, then take him to metal concerts every Sunday from a young age and teach him it's moral to believe in metal and that metal will save your sou -

- again, you get the picture.

As I said you bring up a child the best way you know how. Bringing up a child to worship Jesus and have him as the ultimate role model is not such a bad thing. Unless you know of a better role model?

[Stu]

As I said you bring up a child the best way you know how. Bringing up a child to worship Jesus and have him as the ultimate role model is not such a bad thing. Unless you know of a better role model?
Give me a break. Your not just bringing your child up to worship Jesus the solitary moralist figure. That's not the full package you get with the Childhood Religion Kit. That's like saying your going to bring a child up to worship John Lennon, but never have him read any lyrics or doing the whole, you know, music listening thing.

To me the best way of bringing up a child is to leave him make his own desicions when he is capable, with something as life defining and major as religious belief. Nothing makes more sense than that. I can't believe you of all people are trivializing it to the point where your comparing religion to raising a child to follow a football team.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Give me a break. Your not just bringing your child up to worship Jesus the solitary moralist figure. That's not the full package you get with the Childhood Religion Kit. That's like saying your going to bring a child up to worship John Lennon, but never have him read any lyrics or doing the whole, you know, music listening thing.

To me the best way of bringing up a child is to leave him make his own desicions when he is capable, with something as life defining and major as religious belief. Nothing makes more sense than that. I can't believe you of all people are trivializing it to the point where your comparing religion to raising a child to follow a football team.

No, that was to illustrate how bankrupt your theory was about leaving bringing up children until they are old enough (whenever that would be) to make up their mind.

Your rather beleaguered view of how one would bring up a child in a Christian household needs to be filled out with some reality.

[Stu]

No, that was to illustrate how bankrupt your theory was about leaving bringing up children until they are old enough (whenever that would be) to make up their mind.

Your rather beleaguered view of how one would bring up a child in a Christian household needs to be filled out with some reality.
Don't put words in my mouth. Who do you think I am, a biblical character?

I never once said wait until a child is old enoough to bring one up. That makes absoloutely no sense. I was merely talking about one specific part of a childs upbringing - religious belief.

Whatever. The church needs it's faithful I suppose. And kids are easy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't put words in my mouth. Who do you think I am, a biblical character?

I never once said wait until a child is old enoough to bring one up. That makes absoloutely no sense. I was merely talking about one specific part of a childs upbringing - religious belief.

Whatever. The church needs it's faithful I suppose. And kids are easy.

drug abusers are even easier targets...:devil:

[Stu]

Shame your shooting blanks.

[Tom4784]

I agree with Stu on this, I won't bring my kids up to be anything but open minded, if they want to choose religion or not it'd be upto them but I'll be supportive either way. Don't christians believe that God gave us free will in order to chose whether or not to follow him?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree with Stu on this, I won't bring my kids up to be anything but open minded, if they want to choose religion or not it'd be upto them but I'll be supportive either way. Don't christians believe that God gave us free will in order to chose whether or not to follow him?

Yes and they also know that bringing up children is not brainwashing them. To be a Christian and not bring your child up a Christian would be a sin.

and where would they go anyway when you went to church?

lol

[Stu]

To be a Christian and not bring your child up a Christian would be a sin.
They were smart when they created that rule, weren't they.

Brainwashing is a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs. It's certainly a term I would apply to raising your child a Christian forcefully.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They were smart when they created that rule, weren't they.

Brainwashing is a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs. It's certainly a term I would apply to raising your child a Christian forcefully.

lol @ forcefully

This is not Victorian Dad from Viz

[Stu]

lol @ forcefully

This is not Victorian Dad from Viz
Many parents do force religion onto their children. Your ability to condescend and sneer at a valid point you know to be completely true is absoloutely astounding.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Many parents do force religion onto their children. Your ability to condescend and sneer at a valid point you know to be completely true is absolutely astounding.

Or

you are wrong


I like my short version to your self-congratulatory long one. mines is punchy.

[Stu]

I'm being called self congratulatory by TiBB's own self appointed voice of reason? Stick to the subject like a good man. Many parents force religion on to their children. This is a fact and it is not to be denied.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm being called self congratulatory by TiBB's own self appointed voice of reason? Stick to the subject like a good man. Many parents force religion on to their children. This is a fact and it is not to be denied.

If it is a so called (Tibb) fact then demonstrate how that is so

[Stu]

If it is a so called (Tibb) fact then demonstrate how that is so
Are you honestly trying to deny that many parents breath faith down childrens necks from a very young age? Of course it happens. Don't be so bloody stupid. I doubt there is a universal statistic for this, and no doubt even if there was you would scoff at it and quickly change the subject with your brilliantly abstract methods of point dodging.

I'm not saying all parents do this.

Can you prove that you have experienced 100% of all modern art and poetry to be able to say that 99% of it is crap? No, and nobody would expect you to be able to prove it. Now grow ^.

[Shasown]

If it is a so called (Tibb) fact then demonstrate how that is so

When i was a kid my family like all the families in our community used to attend church every Sunday, most of the kids found it boring and would sooner be anywhere else but there.

You can still see the same happening every sunday morning, kids sitting fidgetting in pews waiting to get out of church and back to being a kid.

PS. do you still consider rock and roll as the devils music?

[Stu]

I think it moved on to rap music somewhere around 1998.

[Wildcat!]

I believe in god, I am pretty religious. But I will always raise my kids. without any religious influences. My parents, were very much like that. They nevr forced me into believing anything. They always tried to just inform me of whats out there.
I think you have to let a person, just be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you honestly trying to deny that many parents breath faith down childrens necks from a very young age? Of course it happens. Don't be so bloody stupid. I doubt there is a universal statistic for this, and no doubt even if there was you would scoff at it and quickly change the subject with your brilliantly abstract methods of point dodging.

I'm not saying all parents do this.

Can you prove that you have experienced 100% of all modern art and poetry to be able to say that 99% of it is crap? No, and nobody would expect you to be able to prove it. Now grow ^.

did not think you could

[Crimson Dynamo]

I believe in god, I am pretty religious. But I will always raise my kids. without any religious influences. My parents, were very much like that. They nevr forced me into believing anything. They always tried to just inform me of whats out there.
I think you have to let a person, just be.

do you go to church?

and what does "I will always raise my kids. without any religious influences" mean in reality?

[Stu]

did not think you could
Could what? Come up with a post full of points that you might actually be able to answer? Your right. I can't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

When i was a kid my family like all the families in our community used to attend church every Sunday, most of the kids found it boring and would sooner be anywhere else but there.

You can still see the same happening every sunday morning, kids sitting fidgetting in pews waiting to get out of church and back to being a kid.

PS. do you still consider rock and roll as the devils music?

do you mean like school?

[Stu]

The subject changer strikes again.

[arista]

I believe in god, I am pretty religious. But I will always raise my kids. without any religious influences. My parents, were very much like that. They nevr forced me into believing anything. They always tried to just inform me of whats out there.
I think you have to let a person, just be.




If Only LT
could be Wise like you Wildcat.

[Wildcat!]

do you go to church?

and what does "I will always raise my kids. without any religious influences" mean in reality?

I have, but \I dont! I am muslim.

And not raising them in any religion, means, I will let them choose who they want to be.
I have complete faith in my beliefs. As I am sure, anyone in the same situation. If my kids are gonna believe the same thigs I believe in, they will do so, because of their brain, and their reasoning. Not because they were forced to. There is nothing worse than that I think for a human being.
In this day and age, everything is scrutinized, and questioned. So your kids, should be prepared, and open minded.

But faith, for those who have it, governs all.

[Shasown]

do you mean like school?

Yes like school, most kids would avoid school if they could simply because they want to go out and play, as they mature they start to become more interested in learning what schools have to offer. however give most kids the chance and they would prefer a lot more time off school than at school.

There is also a difference that education of one sort or another is compulsory in the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have, but \I dont! I am muslim.

And not raising them in any religion, means, I will let them choose who they want to be.
I have complete faith in my beliefs. As I am sure, anyone in the same situation.
In this day and age, everything is scrutinized, and questioned. So your kids, should be prepared, and open minded.

But faith, for those who have it, governs all.

What does the Muslim religion say about bringing up children in your faith?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes like school, most kids would avoid school if they could simply because they want to go out and play, as they mature they start to become more interested in learning what schools have to offer. however give most kids the chance and they would prefer a lot more time off school than at school.

There is also a difference that education of one sort or another is compulsory in the UK.

So you think that parents should still send their kids to school even though they dont like it. Or should they wait until they are 15 and let them decide whether to go to primary school or not.?

[Wildcat!]

What does the Muslim religion say about bringing up children in your faith?

It has a lot of guidelines as to how you should raise someone, teach him your beliefs obviously. but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13. After than age, one becomes responsible of his own actions. And scientifically, it does concur!

[Stu]

It has a lot of guidelines as to how you should raise someone, teach him your beliefs obviously. but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13. After than age, one becomes responsible of his own actions. And scientifically, it does concur!
Damn. Religion is really, really dumb.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It has a lot of guidelines as to how you should raise someone, but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13. After than age, one becomes responsible of his own actions.

And is it normal for a practising Muslim not to encourage their children in faith when they are 0-12?


(and an adult at 12, what is that about?)

[InOne]

Helps make excuses for the prophets anitics ;)

[Wildcat!]

Damn. Religion is really, really dumb.


Think about yourself, and your personal experience.

[arista]

It is African or Muslims that are Adult younger.
And in India.


Everyone knows that LT.

[WOMBAI]

It has a lot of guidelines as to how you should raise someone, teach him your beliefs obviously. but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13. After than age, one becomes responsible of his own actions. And scientifically, it does concur!

How can they possibly be considered adults when they haven't fully developed physically or emotionally - nothing logical about it!

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is African or Muslims that are Adult younger.
And in India.


Everyone knows that LT.

rubbish

[Stu]

Think about yourself, and your personal experience.
Are you trying to use the little book of calm to prove a point or something?

In my personal experience, religion tends to be really, really dumb.

Seriously. Adult at 12? Do you honestly actually believe that ****?

[Wildcat!]

Are you trying to use the little book of calm to prove a point or something?

In my personal experience, religion tends to be really, really dumb.

Seriously. Adult at 12? Do you honestly actually believe that ****?

I really dont care what you, random forum member thinks about any of it. \i only stated what I believe in. It has nothing to do with you. I did quote you though. So my bad, I will make sure I respond to the thread in general next time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you trying to use the little book of calm to prove a point or something?

In my personal experience, religion tends to be really, really dumb.

Seriously. Adult at 12? Do you honestly actually believe that ****?

what is your experience of religion?

[Stu]

I really dont care what you, random forum member thinks about any of it. \i only stated what I believe in. It has nothing to do with you. I did quote you though. So my bad, I will make sure I respond to the thread in general next time.
Ah the ol' 'I don't care what you think'. Much easier than just tackling the problem head on, right?

Bit of free advice : If you believe in a doctrine that states that twelve year olds are adults, I would be prepared to have your beliefs questioned quiet a lot ...

[Wildcat!]

The thing is, when you think about being an adult, a lot of you, are only thinking about sex stuff. In societies, where, thats not the dominant issue, its farthest from most peoples minds. They think of other issues, not at all involved in that. And yeah, around 11, 12, is when you can contribute.

[Stu]

what is your experience of religion?
Well I was raised Christian but kicked that dirty habit when I was 13, but religion still fascinated me up until about a year ago when I exhausted my interest of it and it reached it's natural end point as a sort of general interest. **** knows how many hours I spent reading up on religion online or reading books about it or debating it with people [both secular and non secular].

The thing is, when you think about being an adult, a lot of you, are only thinking about sex stuff. In societies, where, thats not the dominant issue, its farthest from most peoples minds. They think of other issues, not at all involved in that. And yeah, around 11, 12, is when you can contribute.
Err no. I'm thinking about neuroscience. You know ... like your brain and that. Oh and common sense. I know it's sorely lacking when it comes to religion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I was raised Christian but kicked that dirty habit when I was 13, but religion still fascinated me up until about a year ago when I exhausted my interest of it and it reached it's natural end point as a sort of general interest. **** knows how many hours I spent reading up on religion online or reading books about it or debating it with people [both secular and non secular].

perhaps you will come back to it when you are older?

like that saying about how anyone who is 18 and not a socialist is crazy and anyone who is 30 still a socialist is crazier still.

[Stu]

perhaps you will come back to it when you are older?

like that saying about how anyone who is 18 and not a socialist is crazy and anyone who is 30 still a socialist is crazier still.
Like perhaps you will leave it when you are older?

[Wildcat!]

Well I was raised Christian but kicked that dirty habit when I was 13, but religion still fascinated me up until about a year ago when I exhausted my interest of it and it reached it's natural end point as a sort of general interest. **** knows how many hours I spent reading up on religion online or reading books about it or debating it with people [both secular and non secular].


At least you have challenged yourself and others about it! I think its the least you can do!
And most of us, has the ability to accept or deny any of the religions around.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Like perhaps you will leave it when you are older?

touche

[WOMBAI]

12 year olds are not adults in any way, sexually or otherwise. And to say that sex is not the dominant issue in societies where very young girls are often married off to much older men - is an insult to the intelligence of others!

[Stu]

At least you have challenged yourself and others about it! I think its the least you can do!
And most of us, has the ability to accept or deny any of the religions around.
I agree, which is why it should be left for someone to decide for themselves. You wouldn't indoctrinate your newborn baby into a political party. Why do it for religion.

Sheep who never question their beliefs and thus never really bother to understand them ... what use to a church are they? I wonder how many christened members of this forum actually read The Bible. Very few I would imagine. Why would you want these non believers counted amongst your ranks?

[Wildcat!]

I agree, which is why it should be left for someone to decide for themselves. You wouldn't indoctrinate your newborn baby into a political party. Why do it for religion.

Sheep who never question their beliefs and thus never really bother to understand them ... what use to a church are they? I wonder how many christened members of this forum actually read The Bible. Very few I would imagine. Why would you want these non believers counted amongst your ranks?

true. But I find it funny that people cant see how, in my own life, after I was about 11 or 12, is when I started to think for myself. I had beliefs, that were taught to me, but it was, when I was able to question them. Agree or disagree.

My bad if I offend anyone. This honestly is coming from a personal belief, and has nothing to do with any groups/

[Shasown]

So you think that parents should still send their kids to school even though they dont like it. Or should they wait until they are 15 and let them decide whether to go to primary school or not.?

I believe I have a legal, a moral and ethical responsibility to ensure my children are brought up with the best education I can give them. That does not necessarily either include or preclude attendance at church. Children can be educated to have some knowledge of ALL religions and to make their mind up to follow one or to change as they mature.

That would obviously mean the children following the normal state education pattern, Nursery, primary, then secondary educations. Unless I felt that home schooling would be more advantagrous to my children, which I dont.

[Vicky.]

.

Abortion is painful and to kill an unborn child involves burning, smothering, dismembering and crushing (on live babies that have not been specifically anaesthetized).

Since when? Yes it IS painful. But all you do it take 2 tablets, they make you miscarry...No dismembering or anything...

Then again, I dont know about abortions done late on...

[WOMBAI]

Since when? Yes it IS painful. But all you do it take 2 tablets, they make you miscarry...No dismembering or anything...

Then again, I dont know about abortions done late on...

He is right about that - in abortions where the fetus is more than about 6 weeks old!

[Vicky.]

He is right about that - in abortions where the fetus is more than about 6 weeks old!

Wow, I didnt know that...sounds rough.

Im pretty sure though that there were people further on than 6 weeks when I was there...and they just had the same thing as me done...tablet the day before and one the day after.

[WOMBAI]

Wow, I didnt know that...sounds rough.

Im pretty sure though that there were people further on than 6 weeks when I was there...and they just had the same thing as me done...tablet the day before and one the day after.

An early medical abortion (taking tablets) is usually performed up until about 8-9 weeks, a vacuum procedure is used between about 7 to 14/15 weeks whilst later - chemical and surgical procedures induce miscarriage!

[Shasown]

12 year olds are not adults in any way, sexually or otherwise.

Its not saying they are fully formed adults in any way just they are now moving on from childhood.

In the Christian and Jewish religions the onset of puberty at 12/13 is marked by ceremonies to celebrate the young persons maturity. Confirmation, Bar Mitzvah. these mark the transition from child to adult and the start of the young persons journey through life. It also marks the start of the person being responsible for their life and the decisions they make.

Note the age of criminal responsibility is 10 in the UK (8 in Scotland)

[WOMBAI]

Its not saying they are fully formed adults in any way just they are now moving on from childhood.

In the Christian and Jewish religions the onset of puberty at 12/13 is marked by ceremonies to celebrate the young persons maturity. Confirmation, Bar Mitzvah. these mark the transition from child to adult and the start of the young persons journey through life. It also marks the start of the person being responsible for their life and the decisions they make.

Note the age of criminal responsibility is 10 in the UK (8 in Scotland)

"but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13" - the quote doesn't suggest the start of the journey of growing into an adult - it states that they are considered an adult at 12 or 13 - which I think most would consider a ridiculous concept.

And why would any religion want their children to grow up so quickly. Childhood is precious - and provides a solid foundation for healthy emotional growth - and is most likely to produce well balanced adults.

[Shasown]

"but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13" - the quote doesn't suggest the start of the journey of growing into an adult - it states that they are considered an adult at 12 or 13 - which I think most would consider a ridiculous concept.

And why would any religion want their children to grow up so quickly. Childhood is precious - and provides a solid foundation for healthy emotional growth - and is most likely to produce well balanced adults.

I dont think its meant to mean at age 12 the young person is suddenly an adult rather its about that age that the young person becomes more mature, more able to make adult decisions, to start becoming more responsible. Obviously if the 13 year old decided to drop out of school or make simialar decisions they would be treated in a more mature way but still wouldnt be allowed full control of their lives.

[Shaun]

Poor woman.

Though I think not tweeting about it would've been a good idea - she has every right to.