Jon Venables.........

[rapunza1977]

..........oh my goodness.....what do we think happened? How serious could it be?

[BB_Eye]

How serious?

Your child could have disappeared.

[Niamh.]

What happened?

[BB_Eye]

What happened?

There is another thread on this. Venables is said to have been sent back to jail for breaking his bail conditions.

[Niamh.]

There is another thread on this. Venables is said to have been sent back to jail for breaking his bail conditions.

oh right, I know what you're talking about now, when I saw the name Venables that soccer guy came into my head straight away!

[BB_Eye]

oh right, I know what you're talking about now, when I saw the name Venables that soccer guy came into my head straight away!

I imagine it became an unenviable surname from 1993 onwards, even for a professional footballer.

[Niamh.]

I imagine it became an unenviable surname from 1993 onwards, even for a professional footballer.

lol, yeah, absolutely!

[pinkmichk]

its gotta be huge cos there was a media blackout on his name to protect his new idenity so for press to be reporting it its not gonna be small i wouldnt be suprised if we dont fin out completely

[rapunza1977]

where is it?

[InOne]

I have heard a few myths about where they've been and whats happened to them since and all that. I heard one of them was spotted in Manchester and a mob did actually form. Also that a PI tracked down Thompson I think it was, but Bulgers mother was overcome with rage.

[Alf]

i think he tried to contact the bulger family, thats my guess

[Crimson Dynamo]

I find it hard to be remotely interested in this.

[rapunza1977]

i think he tried to contact the bulger family, thats my guess

Why do you think thats?

you think because of all this Doncaster stuff?

[rapunza1977]

I find it hard to be remotely interested in this.

its pretty major i think

[rapunza1977]

I have heard a few myths about where they've been and whats happened to them since and all that. I heard one of them was spotted in Manchester and a mob did actually form. Also that a PI tracked down Thompson I think it was, but Bulgers mother was overcome with rage.

I do not get you "overcome with rage beacuse a PI tracke dhim down?

[InOne]

I do not get you "overcome with rage beacuse a PI tracke dhim down?

private investagator

[Shasown]

Here link to the other thread.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132295

[Jessica.]

What's a John Vegetable?

[Shasown]

What's a John Vegetable?

Its like a swede/neep/turnip.

[rapunza1977]

i do not believe the story reported about him benig taken to hospital in 2007 for stabbing - no way

[Shasown]

i do not believe the story reported about him benig taken to hospital in 2007 for stabbing - no way

He was on the receiving end of a knife apparently.

[Jessica.]

Its like a swede/neep/turnip.

Oh yum.

[rapunza1977]

He was on the receiving end of a knife apparently.

I cannot see it
his identity would have been all over the place


from the guy that attackled him
his girlfriend
hospital staff

[Shasown]

I cannot see it
his identity would have been all over the place


from the guy that attackled him
his girlfriend
hospital staff

Depends if they know who he was, did he tell his girlfriend about his past. Was the stabbing related to the James Bulger case or just a fight in a bar?

Dont forget the media cant report the incidents immediately they have to leave a little time to reduce the chances of him being identified.

Even if someone does suss out who he is now, it wont be featured on the TV or in the press until he has been protected again (hidden away and given another new identity).

[rapunza1977]

Depends if they know who he was, did he tell his girlfriend about his past. Was the stabbing related to the James Bulger case or just a fight in a bar?

Dont forget the media cant report the incidents immediately they have to leave a little time to reduce the chances of him being identified.

Even if someone does suss out who he is now, it wont be featured on the TV or in the press until he has been protected again (hidden away and given another new identity).

but it was reported in the mirror back in 2007 - so - he is with his fiance
they get into a fight - its reported in papers and the guy that atacks him, who allegedly knows his girl, will put two and two together...maybe i am being a tad slow

[Shasown]

but it was reported in the mirror back in 2007 - so - he is with his fiance
they get into a fight - its reported in papers and the guy that atacks him, who allegedly knows his girl, will put two and two together...maybe i am being a tad slow

Nope agree with you there, however was he moved? Was the other guy warned off? What was the time difference between the incident occuring and it being reported in the press?

[*mazedsalv**]

There a few rumours that have hit, one of which is that he was trying to contact and approach The Bulger family and James' mother, not sure why. I doubt it was to apologise.

****ing vile scumbag! He should be doing life, how an 11 year could do this, he must be worse and more sick and twisted now, an 11 yera old doing that to a 2 year old, who knows what they are capable of now.

But must be very bad Ive heard.

[Patrick]

..........oh my goodness.....what do we think happened? How serious could it be?

Are you for real?

[MarkWaldorf]

James' mother doesn't even know what he breached, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't trying to contact her.

[Kerry]

James' mother doesn't even know what he breached, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't trying to contact her.

I find it beyond belief she's not even been informed. She's lived in fear ever since their release that they will try and contact her family in revenge (or worse)

The public should be informed too. Stop protecting these scumbags. I hope he gets his due when they realise who he is in that adult jail.....

[Shasown]

I find it beyond belief she's not even been informed. She's lived in fear ever since their release that they will try and contact her family in revenge (or worse)

The public should be informed too. Stop protecting these scumbags. I hope he gets his due when they realise who he is in that adult jail.....

Nope if it does come out to the general prison populace just who he is he may get moved to another prison, or placed into seclusion or a protective custody, where he would be escorted at all times.

They have spent thousands on protecting his identity etc on the outside. The Prison Service would not want to look as if they let the side down. Regardless how individual officers feel about his crimes.

[Kerry]

Nope if it does come out to the general prison populace just who he is he may get moved to another prison, or placed into seclusion or a protective custody, where he would be escorted at all times.

They have spent thousands on protecting his identity etc on the outside. The Prison Service would not want to look as if they let the side down. Regardless how individual officers feel about his crimes.

I see. On the news they said he's getting put into an adult prison for the first time but yes, he will get protection :mad:

[Shasown]

I see. On the news they said he's getting put into an adult prison for the first time but yes, he will get protection :mad:

First time in any sort of prison, the time they spent on remand and then during their incarceration/rehabilitation was spent in local authority secure accomodation, where they put problem children.

Prisons and young offenders institutes run on a slightly more austere and disclipined regimen

[Tom]

The irony is, the crime will be in the public domain but we don't know which one it is because of his new identity! By releasing info of the crime, they're essentially revealing who he is (people can match up the crime etc). Thats from their view anyway. I reckon he's murdered again and due to waste of tax payers money, thats why they're not saying anything.

[Kerry]

How long does he stay in now? Do we know? The rest of a life sentence?

[Shasown]

The irony is, the crime will be in the public domain but we don't know which one it is because of his new identity! By releasing info of the crime, they're essentially revealing who he is (people can match up the crime etc). Thats from their view anyway. I reckon he's murdered again and due to waste of tax payers money, thats why they're not saying anything.

Now that would upset all those who believe in rehabilitation wouldnt it, nah I dont think it will be quite as serious as that, if it was someone in either the police or prison service would have "allowed details" to slip.

It is possible his probation officer decided he may have been about to offend in some way, he may have repeatedly expressed an intent to apologise to Jamie's mother and informed the police who have to then arrest and place him in custody subject to a parole board review.

He could be out 28 days after he was arrested if it was a minor offence like assaulting someone in a pub during an arguement or fight.

[Kerry]

28 days?!?!?!?!!!!!!!

[Shasown]

How long does he stay in now? Do we know? The rest of a life sentence?

No a review of his breach of Licence has to occur within 28 days of him going back into custody, It will be heard by 3 members of the Parole Review Body, they will decide on the seriousness of his breech and they coud release him, with a caution about future behaviour if its a trivial matter.

They could keep him in custody then for up to 3 months when another board would sit or if he has commited a very serious breech they could remove his licence and then he goes back in and his sentence- at her majesty's pleasure goes back into the legal system where the recommendations of the Review Board would go before a High Court judge and a further sentencing as to when he would then again be eligible for parole would be confirmed.

[Kerry]

No a review of his breech of Licence has to occur within 28 of him going back into custody, It will be heard by 3 members of the Parole Review Body, they will decide on the seriousness of his breech and either release him, with a caution about future behaviour if its a trivial matter.

They could keep him in custody then for up to 3 months when another board would sit or if he has commited a very serious breech they could remove his licence and then he goes back in and his sentence- at her majesty's pleasure goes back into the legal system where the recommendations of the Review Board would go before a High Court judge and a further sentencing as to when he would then again be eligible for parole would be confirmed.

Wow, you know your stuff - cheers :)

[Shasown]

Wow, you know your stuff - cheers :)

Thanks, bear in mind though, if he had commited an offence like trying to get in touch with either the victims family or his mate Thompson, that is a serious breach of his licence, they being the main terms of it. A sentence review would only probably give him up to a year before he became eligible for parole again, in that time it would be hoped he be once again rehabilitated to the fact he wasnt allowed to contact them.

Its a bit convoluted, simply because the rights of the criminal seem to be held to be more important than the rights of the victims. He has technically been rehabilitated however something as simple as being Drunk and Disorderly or a Breech of the Peace is enough to see him back in custody till a review.

The review board would sit and examine what he has been accused of, any evidence to support the accusation and then its seriousness in context to the original offence. Their decision would then be reviewed by either a magistrate( in the event of him committing a relatively minor offence, not in connection with his licence) Or the Ministry of justice and then a High court judge if it was considered a major breach.

He then has the right of appeal because he has served his original tarriff, the 8 years if a judge were to then again issue a recommendation that increased that tarriff. In other words he can appeal through the Courts up to and including Europe against any sentence.

[Kerry]

He has more rights than poor James' family it seems :(

[Shasown]

He has more rights than poor James' family it seems :(

It would appear that way, bear in mind everyone has the same rights, its just most people dont commit offences and need to use them.

[rapunza1977]

Are you for real?

eh? Have I missed something?

[rapunza1977]

oh well - apparently a fight at work no....so its reported........but I read today that the chief officer said that recalls do not happen (red carded he put it) straight away - looks like it has been several brushes with that law and bad attitude so much so it was said officers frustrated..so i think after this latest hauling him in is only option - I say throw the key away - rehabilitated my erse!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Oh the wonderful bull**** world of speculation...I remember the days when news was just boring old facts yada yada yada...

[rapunza1977]

Oh the wonderful bull**** world of speculation...I remember the days when news was just boring old facts yada yada yada...

yadda yadda yaaaaaaaadda

[arista]

So the Mirror paper has the Info on
the Cokehead Violent Venables.



Also in other papers now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255274/James-Bulger-killer-Jon-Venables-sent-jail-drugs-workplace-brawl.html

[Tom]

oh well - apparently a fight at work no....so its reported........but I read today that the chief officer said that recalls do not happen (red carded he put it) straight away - looks like it has been several brushes with that law and bad attitude so much so it was said officers frustrated..so i think after this latest hauling him in is only option - I say throw the key away - rehabilitated my erse!

... and there goes his new identity in a puff of smoke. The chances are of a man suddenly going to prison after a fight at work in more than one place are pretty slim.

[Jack_]

What's the likelihood of us ever seeing a picture of what they look like now or in a few years down the line, or what they've done in their 'new lives' etc?

[Rob]

What's the likelihood of us ever seeing a picture of what they look like now or in a few years down the line, or what they've done in their 'new lives' etc?

probs will

[Shasown]

... and there goes his new identity in a puff of smoke. The chances are of a man suddenly going to prison after a fight at work in more than one place are pretty slim.

Nah its Prison Service Policy they dont divulge what convicts or remandees have done to other prisoners. Saves them having to go in and clean up the mess later.

If he has any sense about it, or his probation officer/case officer or police protection officer are doing their job, he will have a story made up. He was remanded for assault, car theft even a burglary, something like that. And he will keep his head down and mouth shut for now.

He is probably hoping they wont want the hassle of putting him in with an adult prison population for too long and hoping to get out at the Parole Review Board. After all that is one of the reasons why he and thompson were released, the judge stated it would simply be punishment if they served time in a prison when it would undo the rehabilitation they had achieved and put them at risk.

besides if he has any sense at all he will ask to be placed in protective custody. Its big boy stuff he is doing now, not kiddies secure units.

[Shasown]

What's the likelihood of us ever seeing a picture of what they look like now or in a few years down the line, or what they've done in their 'new lives' etc?

Very unlikely as the ban on revealing anything that would give his or Thompson's identity away still stands, thats one reason why officials arent giving anything away.

If he does get released at his review or anytime in the near future we probably wont be told about that either.

[Jack_]

Very unlikely as the ban on revealing anything that would give his or Thompson's identity away still stands, thats one reason why officials arent giving anything away.

If he does get released at his review or anytime in the near future we probably wont be told about that either.

Even when they both die? Will we not be told, provided with pics of them in adult life, details of what they did etc?

It sounds strange I know but I'd love to see what they look like now.

[Shasown]

Even when they both die? Will we not be told, provided with pics of them in adult life, details of what they did etc?

It sounds strange I know but I'd love to see what they look like now.

When they die, yeah an identity ban wouldnt be protecting them however its unlikely Thompson will have but Venables may one day have children, the ban could be kept for their sake and the sake of his wife/girlfriend.

[Tom]

Nah its Prison Service Policy they dont divulge what convicts or remandees have done to other prisoners. Saves them having to go in and clean up the mess later.

Whilst what you're saying is true, I'm more on about his colleagues. They'll know if there has been a fight and suddenly one of the people involved is suddenly banged up or not at work at the minute. And then the news story pops up ...

[Shasown]

Whilst what you're saying is true, I'm more on about his colleagues. They'll know if there has been a fight and suddenly one of the people involved is suddenly banged up or not at work at the minute. And then the news story pops up ...

Yep so he gets another new identity, costing lots more thousands of pounds, will his girlfriend want or need one too?

Thats one of the reasons he may have gotten away with other fights etc in the past.

[Jack_]

When they die, yeah an identity ban wouldnt be protecting them however its unlikely Thompson will have but Venables may one day have children, the ban could be kept for their sake and the sake of his wife/girlfriend.

Ah okay, I see. Thanks :thumbs:

Whilst what you're saying is true, I'm more on about his colleagues. They'll know if there has been a fight and suddenly one of the people involved is suddenly banged up or not at work at the minute. And then the news story pops up ...

I'd **** myself if I knew one of them had been around me. Just the thought that I might have walked past one of them on the street creeps me right out.

[Alf]

i'm more of a tel man myself
V1sPa3qKR50

[Shasown]

Wonder if there is any truth in this one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255824/James-Bulger-killer-Jon-Venables-worked-bouncer-nightclub.html

[Mrluvaluva]

It says in that article "Privately, sources have described the reason for his recall as 'shocking', prompting speculation that Venables may have been violent towards a child or woman.

The reason is thought to be so serious that it is unlikely he will even be considered for release for at least a year."

Whatever he has done now seems to be pretty bad. It's not just a fight.

And according to The Sun....

"James Bulger's killer Jon Venables was thrown back in jail over an allegation that he committed a sickening sex crime, The Sun can reveal.

The 27-year-old is expected to be brought before a court in the near future to face charges over it.

The Sun has discovered exact details of the offence, that will horrify the nation.

But government lawyers last night threatened to gag us with an injunction if we revealed it in full."


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2881233/Jon-Venables-faces-a-sex-charge.html#ixzz0hOZNwoJn (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2881233/Jon-Venables-faces-a-sex-charge.html#ixzz0hOZNwoJn)

[Harry!]

Can they just lock him up for good?

[Mrluvaluva]

They would most probably say it would breach his human rights Harry, even though in a lot of peoples eyes he isn't entitled to any.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Mar/Week1/15568371.jpg




New Labours's Jack Straw
is a Fool.


He needs to be Locked away
he is not a fit person.
Fact.

[Harry!]

They would most probably say it would breach his human rights Harry, even though in a lot of peoples eyes he isn't entitled to any.

He doesnt deserve any rights! What he did to poor James was sad and sick. Poor mother as well.

[Mrluvaluva]

James Bulger’s killer Jon Venables was sent back to jail on suspicion of child porn offences, the Sunday ­Mirror can reveal.


The reason for Venables’ recall was kept secret by the Government but we can exclusively reveal that probation chiefs revoked his licence once the allegations had been made.


Venables, 27, has been in constant rehab­ili­tation for torturing James to death.


But if he has ­committed offences involving child porn while being ­supervised by probation officers the revelation will send shockwaves through the criminal justice ­system and will also raise questions about the virtually unprecedented rights and privileges he has enjoyed since he has been released.


James’s mother Denise publicly warned that Venables and Robert Thompson, both aged 10 when they murdered two-year-old James on Mersey­side in 1993, would go on to commit other offences if released.


Daily Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/03/07/jon-venables-sent-back-to-prison-over-child-porn-offence-115875-22090622/)


This article has annoyed me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1256078/SUZANNE-MOORE-Jon-Venables-serving-life-hes-jail-not.html

Suzanne Moore giving her views and a totally biased report.

[Shasown]

Can they just lock him up for good?

His original sentence was to be incarcerated at Her Majesty's Pleasure with the judges recommendation that he served a minimum 8 years before parole consideration, that has been carried out. He was released under life licence, which if he has commited the alleged offence(s) breaks the licence, he would if it was a minor offence probably do no more than a year.

It has been admitted he was being investigated for serious offences. So the Review Board will probably pass the sentencing back to the courts for the original offence. He will or should eventually receive a new tariff for reconsideration for parole. In other words how long before he can even be considered for a new licence.

The new offence would also go back into the criminal justice system with a decision being made as to whether or not he is prosecuted. If the new Tariff is such a long one that it exceeds any sentencing he may receive for the new offence then it may be deemed by the CPS not to be in the public interest to pursue the charges, to save the expense of a trial etc. Thats not to say they are being dropped but will be considered when and if he reaches the end of the new tariff.

Chances are they have held off recalling his licence for as long as possible in order not to undermine the public confidence in the licence system. Also the return to custody will have been as a last resort in order to attempt to preserve his anonymity. To be quite frank if the evidence against him is such the police were going to prefer charges after the investigation he wont be coming out for a good few years. Whether or not he is prosecuted for this new offence.

[Mrluvaluva]

Prison staff fear an attack by other inmates as it is revealed that pressure of keeping his name and background secret led James Bulger's murderer to fights, and drink and drug abuse

Jon Venables, one of the killers of the Liverpool toddler James Bulger, had descended into a "persistent state of self-disclosure" in which he felt compelled to tell others his real identity in the months before his return to prison, the Observer has been told.

The 27-year-old's mental state had become so fragile that he would regularly reveal his identity to strangers – something that had put him at risk of attack.

Sources said Venables had become a heavy drinker and there have also been claims that he used drugs. As Venables entered into an increasingly disturbed psychological state, he had become embroiled in a series of confrontations and fights, the sources said.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/07/jon-venables-confessed-identity

[InOne]

Would not be suprised if he was a sex killer tbh, they will probs bang him in Broadmoor

[BBitterLemons]

Whatever he has done, it's ridiculous for people to conclude that it should mean his identity be revealed. I'm sorry but I'd love to know what logic people are using to come up with this crap....

[Shasown]

Whatever he has done, it's ridiculous for people to conclude that it should mean his identity be revealed. I'm sorry but I'd love to know what logic people are using to come up with this crap....

They wont reveal his identity, the false identity(national insurance number, birth certificate etc) could be used again in the future if not by him by someone else being released in similar circumstances, plus it will be kept secret in order to help protect those involved either knowingly or unknowingly in his life.

[BBitterLemons]

They wont reveal his identity, the false identity(national insurance number, birth certificate etc) could be used again in the future if not by him by someone else being released in similar circumstances, plus it will be kept secret in order to help protect those involved either knowingly or unknowingly in his life.

Lol!!!
No, it would not be used again. That identity is now tainted by Jon Veneables and thus would obviously not be used again. When people are given these new lives (which is very rarely) every thinkable measure is taken to prevent its discovery and giving somebody the used-identity of a known killer, widely publicized by the media-- would contradict everything they're trying to do.

The government has no duty to those he has come into contact with lol.

[Shasown]

Lol!!!
No, it would not be used again. That identity is now tainted by Jon Veneables and thus would obviously not be used again. When people are given these new lives (which is very rarely) every thinkable measure is taken to prevent its discovery and giving somebody the used-identity of a known killer, widely publicized by the media-- would contradict everything they're trying to do.

The government has no duty to those he has come into contact with lol.

In the unlikely event the parole review board decide there is no foundation to the allegations that have been made against him, and he isnt a danger to himself or others, he comes out sooner or later, under either the same or a new name. The name may be known but it isnt allowed to be released to the public. So they resettle him in another new area. The press have been aware of his assumed identity for a number of years. However they have not allowed to publicise it, in fact the silence of some overseas publications was ensured by paying for their silence. Same as Thompson.

Of course the government has a duty even if its only a moral duty to those who have been involved in his life. Say for example a girlfriend or wife who became involved with him, totally ignorant of his past. There may a risk to her from people who feel she should not have had anything whatsoever to do with him.

Resettling people under false identities happens a lot more frequently than you think.

[arista]

Todays sunday mirror
confirms
He was Arrested for Child Pornography.


Now whatever New Labour Jack Straw
is on about,
it is out in the Public domain,
its all change now.


Lock him up
or await him being killed in cold blood.

[cupid stunt]

Lock jack straw up n all the corrupt bastard he even looks like demon headmaster remember dat ?

[cupid stunt]

http://mooseontheroof.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/demon-straw1.jpg

[Shasown]

Lock jack straw up n all the corrupt bastard he even looks like demon headmaster remember dat ?

Yep you are right, he does, lock him up

[bananarama]

What a crazy justice system we have evolved into.........Spend vast amounts of money and man hours protecting a low life scum bag while at the same time turning sick people away from life saving drug treatments.........

Both of the killers should have been hanged at the age of 18......

[Shasown]

What a crazy justice system we have evolved into.........Spend vast amounts of money and man hours protecting a low life scum bag while at the same time turning sick people away from life saving drug treatments.........

Both of the killers should have been hanged at the age of 18......

Yes and bring back the birch for naughty youths, and the scolds bridle for nagging women. Why not cut the cost of running prisons and flog people instead?

[cupid stunt]

Yep you are right, he does, lock him up

lol

[Mrluvaluva]

JAMES Bulger's killer Jon Venables was locked back up amid allegations that he was hoarding child pornography rated only one category below Britain's most serious.

Cops seized a laptop after a search at the home of the 27-year-old, who was freed with a new identity after serving time for the murder of James.

Officers who examined the computer allegedly discovered sickening images rated at Category Four on an official legal scale of one to five.

The involvement of police who conducted the search triggered an alert which notified one of the ten officials aware who he really was.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2882769/Jon-Venables-locked-back-up-amid-allegations-he-was-hoarding-child-porn.html#ixzz0hacrqxX3 (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2882769/Jon-Venables-locked-back-up-amid-allegations-he-was-hoarding-child-porn.html#ixzz0hacrqxX3)

[Niamh.]

The problem with rehabilitating people who do things as sick as Venables and Thompson did is you don't actually know if that rehabilitation has worked until you send them back into society and I just don't think taking that chance and putting even one innocent persons life in danger is worth any amount of successful rehabilitations.

[InOne]

Yeah, I mean, he is was 'rehabilitated' in the system as a kid, and still ended up a paedophile, then I think he should just be locked up for life.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I mean, he is was 'rehabilitated' in the system as a kid, and still ended up a paedophile, then I think he should just be locked up for life.

absolutely, I mean I can see where people are coming from when they say "it wasn't his fault, It was cause he was abused" or whatever the circumstances that led to him being a pedophile were but though I understand that this might be true, I still think that protecting innocent people (especially children) is more important than rehabilitation that may or may not work.

[InOne]

absolutely, I mean I can see where people are coming from when they say "it wasn't his fault, It was cause he was abused" or whatever the circumstances that led to him being a pedophile were but though I understand that this might be true, I still think that protecting innocent people (especially children) is more important than rehabilitation that may or may not work.

There is no known cause for paedophilia, for every paedophile that has been abused as a child you'll find one that hasn't.

[Niamh.]

There is no known cause for paedophilia, for every paedophile that has been abused as a child you'll find one that hasn't.

Alot of pedophiles were abused as kids themselves though, I'm not making excuses for them btw, I personally think that no pedophiles should ever be allowed back into society, whatever their reasons for being pedophiles are. Like I said it's just not worth risking a childs life being destroyed.

[InOne]

Alot of pedophiles were abused as kids themselves though, I'm not making excuses for them btw, I personally think that no pedophiles should ever be allowed back into society, whatever their reasons for being pedophiles are. Like I said it's just not worth risking a childs life being destroyed.

I know plenty are, but that is why people should be aware that not all of them were abused. They are your doctors, your priests, you family, they could be anywhere. The most scary ones are not the weirdos, hanging round in streets corners, they are the friendly men, who are supposed to do a 'duty' to society. And even more scary, but more rare, are the women who do it.

[Niamh.]

I know plenty are, but that is why people should be aware that not all of them were abused. They are your doctors, your priests, you family, they could be anywhere. The most scary ones are not the weirdos, hanging round in streets corners, they are the friendly men, who are supposed to do a 'duty' to society. And even more scary, but more rare, are the women who do it.

Yeah, you're right, I wasn't for one minute suggesting that these were the only people who were pedophiles, I was simply saying that whatever the reasons for them being that way, none of them should be allowed back into our society.

[InOne]

Yeah, you're right, I wasn't for one minute suggesting that these were the only people who were pedophiles, I was simply saying that whatever the reasons for them being that way, none of them should be allowed back into our society.

Indeed, the sad fact is alot probably don't get caught until it's too late. Or sometimes you hear horrific cases of prolonged abuse.

[Shasown]

But there will be some do gooder who takes his side and insist we are breaching his human rights.... Pushing it all the way to Europe again in order simply to make themselves a reputation and lot of money.

I wonder if they would be so keen on ensuring his human rights if he had to live with them and their children, or god forbid it had of been their child.

[arista]

What a crazy justice system we have evolved into.........Spend vast amounts of money and man hours protecting a low life scum bag while at the same time turning sick people away from life saving drug treatments.........

Both of the killers should have been hanged at the age of 18......


Hanging is not yet Law.



It Is Time For Change.

[InOne]

But there will be some do gooder who takes his side and insist we are breaching his human rights.... Pushing it all the way to Europe again in order simply to make themselves a reputation and lot of money.

I wonder if they would be so keen on ensuring his human rights if he had to live with them and their children, or god forbid it had of been their child.

The general 'mob' is very very fickle as we well know.

[Niamh.]

But there will be some do gooder who takes his side and insist we are breaching his human rights.... Pushing it all the way to Europe again in order simply to make themselves a reputation and lot of money.

I wonder if they would be so keen on ensuring his human rights if he had to live with them and their children, or god forbid it had of been their child.

Yeah, that's what pisses me off. It's the human rights of our children who we should be protecting not a pedophiles. As far as I'm concerned someone who violates a child, loses all rights.

[Shasown]

Yeah, that's what pisses me off. It's the human rights of our children who we should be protecting not a pedophiles. As far as I'm concerned someone who violates a child, loses all rights.

Only until SuperCherie and company gets on their case.

[arista]

Jack Straw is speaking on Venables
in Parliament now
but saying bugger all,
nothing new.

[cupid stunt]

String jack straw up n all hes a corrupt bastard

[Harry!]

I watched the Jack Straw debate live. They will not say what John V did intill he has a trial or else the trial will not be a fair trial (Not that the trial will be fair anyway).

[Mrluvaluva]

Cocky Jon Venables lords it in jail.

The arrogant killer of James Bulger is refusing to keep a low profile back in jail – and keeps telling warders he will be “free soon”.

Jon Venables is acting as if he is ­untouchable and revelling in his notoriety for murdering the two-year-old.

He has rejected treatment with a sex offenders’ programme, despite ­allegedly possessing child porn – sneering that he will not be inside long enough to complete it.

And he is defying threats by inmates who rumbled the secret new identity he was given on his release. He is getting preferential treatment to foil revenge attacks and brags: “I can take all the abuse.”

Sources told the Mirror: “Venables is now walking around prison as if he owns the place.”

The child killer, who said he gave up cocaine at ­Christmas, still allegedly insists on associating with drug dealers and users on his wing.

Yet he refuses to co-operate with jail bosses’ repeated requests for voluntary drug-testing and educational courses. He told one officer: “I don’t want any courses that take long as I’ll be out sooner rather than later.”

One source said: “He has an inflated sense of his own importance. He thinks he’s better than other lags and ignores all advice to keep his head down.

“And he refuses to take part in anger management and sex offender courses, even though they’ve being identified as crucial to his rehabilitation.”

The source said Venables, 27, received several threats after being recognised, but refuses to back down. “He is with drug culture people most of the time, instead of keeping a low profile as he was advised,” said the insider.

“But it may be to protect himself from attacks. Venables did say one inmate recognised him from his previous time behind bars. He tells other prisoners he can handle all the abuse and threats because he’s used to it and he hasn’t reported any problems to staff.”

The murderer’s cocky attitude will anger James’s parents. The toddler’s mutilated body was found on a rail line after Venables and Robert Thompson, both then 10, were filmed on CCTV abducting him from a shopping centre at Bootle, Merseyside, in 1993.

His killers got new IDs when they were freed in 2001.

Venables was recalled on his murder licence for being found with indecent images of children on February 22.

He is identified as a “high risk” to youngsters.

James’s dad Ralph Bulger, 43, called the Government’s refusal to say why ­Venables is back behind bars for breach of his parole a “kick in the teeth”.

Mum Denise Fergus branded the authorities as “callous and insensitive”.


Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/03/17/cocky-jon-venables-lords-it-in-jail-115875-22116297/)

[InOne]

http://www.dspdprogramme.gov.uk/useful_information.html

[Shasown]

Cocky Jon Venables lords it in jail. (Snip)

Venables was recalled on his murder licence for being found with indecent images of children on February 22.

He is identified as a “high risk” to youngsters.

James’s dad Ralph Bulger, 43, called the Government’s refusal to say why *Venables is back behind bars for breach of his parole a “kick in the teeth”.

Mum Denise Fergus branded the authorities as “callous and insensitive”.


Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/03/17/cocky-jon-venables-lords-it-in-jail-115875-22116297/)

Yeah its nice to hear he isnt too bothered about his life at the moment. Amusing that the mirror had this story up within a couple of days of them also announcing they had another exclusive on the fact he had been moved within the prison system. More bent screws? Somehow I think its just the Mirror rehashing the same old info as it already had in order to up its circulation.

If there is any truth in it, if he thinks he is in for an easy ride inside he is mistaken, other prisoners will want to lets say have a word in his shell like about his crimes, his supposed celebrity/notoriety and his belief he will be let out again fairly quickly.

Whilst the prison service are good at protecting people, they arent infallible they have to be on the ball 24/7, they have to be lucky all the time, whereas the convicts who will want to impose some sort of retribution for his crimes only have to get lucky once.

I am surprised the mirror didnt report their sources as saying something along the lines of "dont worry he will get his..."

[Mrluvaluva]

James Bulger's killer Jon Venables could stay in jail for up to a year - even if he is not convicted of any alleged new offences, it has been claimed.

Venables, who was found guilty along with Robert Thompson of murdering the toddler on Merseyside in 1993, was recalled to prison last month.

The Parole Board (http://www.paroleboard.gov.uk/) confirmed it has received papers relating to the recall from the Ministry of Justice (http://www.justice.gov.uk/) and will decide whether the killer, now 27, should remain behind bars.

But that decision - which will be made by a three-person panel - could take as long as a year.

Sky News' Jane Dougall said: "The panel needs to be convened, the police need to finish their investigation and Venables may need a further identity because his cover has been compromised.

"Under new rules, the parents of James Bulger could also read a victim impact statement to the Parole Board.

"Denise Fergus (James' mother) has been adamant that neither of her son's killers should ever have been released."

Legal expert Ian Caplin told Sky News the Parole Board was "sitting as a kind of court".

"Given the history of Venables, the Parole Board will look very carefully at the medical evidence of the risk of re-releasing him to the public," he said.

"Venables will be able to make written and oral representations during the proceedings - it won't just be decided in the normal course of a few weeks."

In a statement, the Parole Board said it "will now start the process of reviewing this case".

It added: "We are not able to set a timescale on the review - but will confirm when it has been concluded."

Justice Secretary Jack Straw (http://indepth.news.sky.com/InDepth/topic/Jack%20Straw) has refused to elaborate on Venables' alleged new offences except to confirm they were "extremely serious allegations".

According to reports, Venables - who was 10 when he beat toddler James to death in Bootle - was being investigated by police over claims he viewed child pornography.
The Parole Board hearing is separate to the police probe.

Venables and Thompson were released with secret identities in 2001 having served eight years.

They are on life licence, meaning they can be brought back to prison at any time if they re-offend or if they are thought to pose a threat to the public.


SKY (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/James-Bulger-Killer-Jon-Venables-Jail-Decision-Parole-Board-Review-Could-Take-A-Year/Article/201004115591539?lpos=UK_News_First_Home_Article_Te aser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15591539_James_Bulger_Killer_Jon_Venab les_Jail_Decision%3A_Parole_Board_Review_Could_Tak e_A_Year)

[bananarama]

Hanging is not yet Law.



It Is Time For Change.


There's always hope that common sense will prevail once again one day......

Personally I would start with hanging the do gooders....the greatest menace to society.....

[Shasown]

There's always hope that common sense will prevail once again one day......

Personally I would start with hanging the do gooders....the greatest menace to society.....

No personally I think we should start with ignorant intolerant people who haven't got a clue what they are talking about, then we could move on to the self opinionated knowalls who have their own perspective and dont accept other peoples point of view, those who would much rather drag us back into the middle ages rather than accept the needs of society to govern and protect the rights of all.