Will there be another 'Great'?

[InOne]

Like band or artist or whatever. We all know the greats really but it seems people are too quick to call people 'icons' these days. And none of the greats include, Britney, Gaga, Beyonce, Justin, Jay-Z. They are just popular artists. I'm talking about actual icons, and I don't think another is amoung us quite at this time in music.

[Tom4784]

I don't like much of his music but I'd say that Jay-Z is quite a big figure in modern music, I could see why people would call him an icon although I'm no fan.

[Beastie]

I don't think there will ever be a band like The Beatles again.

[Stephanie]

jedward xXx

[Stacey.]

jedward xXx

:thumbs: good girl.

[Harry!]

Amy Winehouse maybe? Also bands like Daft Punk and Gorillaz?

[Iceman]

I agree with Jay-Z....for the past decade at least he's been dueting with everyone and becoming bigger and better than most before him....

[Tom4784]

I think one thing we need to define is ICON, take the noughties it was typically dominated by rap/R'n'B/Hip Hop ETC so a lot of mainstream icons will be people from that genres, but you also got to consider the fact that indie music resurged again so you'll have a few icons like Arctic Monkeys (there's better examples I know) that were either indie, started off as indie or had an indie styling.

Icon is a word that can be thrown around a lot easily but greatness can only be achieved through longevity, if anybody's music from this generation remains relevant and good in 20 years time then there'll abviously be more of a case of them being great.

I don't think I made much sense but there you go.

[Princess]

*wonders if shes juet being bias in thinking Take That*

[Iceman]

I think one thing we need to define is ICON, take the noughties it was typically dominated by rap/R'n'B/Hip Hop ETC so a lot of mainstream icons will be people from that genres, but you also got to consider the fact that indie music resurged again so you'll have a few icons like Arctic Monkeys (there's better examples I know) that were either indie, started off as indie or had an indie styling.

Icon is a word that can be thrown around a lot easily but greatness can only be achieved through longevity, if anybody's music from this generation remains relevant and good in 20 years time then there'll abviously be more of a case of them being great.

I don't think I made much sense but there you go.

no better example than that!

I get what your saying with the longevity thing.....i agree with everything you say actually...

[Smithy]

*wonders if shes juet being bias in thinking Take That*

ya, you is :p

Gaga for defo though :thumbs:

To sell 10,000,000 albums and 36,000,000 singles in just over a year is phenominal

[Princess]

ya, you is :p

Gaga for defo though :thumbs:

To sell 10,000,000 albums and 36,000,000 singles in just over a year is phenominal

LMAO! You can't call me bias and then say GaGa. It's nothing to do with sales figures.

[Smithy]

LMAO! You can't call me bias and then say GaGa. It's nothing to do with sales figures.

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:joker:

[Tom4784]

ya, you is :p

Gaga for defo though :thumbs:

To sell 10,000,000 albums and 36,000,000 singles in just over a year is phenominal

She is the icon of 2009 but It's ridiculous to brand her one of the greats after one album. She COULD be one of the greats eventually but at the moment she's not. In ways she does remind me of Madonna though when it comes to the media intrigue and such as Madonna courted the press like Gaga does back in the day.

Give her 20 years and see how relevant she is then.

[Smithy]

She is the icon of 2009 but It's ridiculous to brand her one of the greats after one album. She COULD be one of the greats eventually but at the moment she's not. In ways she does remind me of Madonna though when it comes to the media intrigue and such as Madonna courted the press like Gaga does back in the day.

Give her 20 years and see how relevant she is then.

2 Albums Technically :p

[30stone]

You have to wait 20 years or so..

and you will see some people being legendary.


Id agree with take that.. they were amazing and they come back just as good if not better.

[Princess]

You have to wait 20 years or so..

and you will see some people being legendary.


Id agree with take that.. they were amazing and they come back just as good if not better.

This year is 20 years since Take That formed,if we just ignore the 10 year holiday they had that's 20 years :laugh:

[Tom4784]

2 Albums Technically :p

barely, Still not enough.

[Smithy]

barely, Still not enough.

Not barely, she made two albums and has loads of songs which have leaked online from the past 4/5 years

[King Gizzard]

i would consider Jay z a great tbh

[InOne]

Dunno about TT. And I get what you mean about Jay Z, but it's only cos R n B, Hip hop and that has become popular over there the last few years. He does not seem to have too much personality about him really, yeah he is a good artist, but he just does not have it all.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Leona Lewis.. Durh

[MrGaryy]

I think that Miley Cyrus will be looked back on in years to come and be seen as a bit of an icon. Never has someone ruled the tween market, successfully drifted to the teen scene and then managed to have a contemporary, radio single worldwide. She's the most successful artist of the Disney genre and she really broke the mould for the Demis, Selenas, Ashleys, ect. of the world

[Iceman]

Dunno about TT. And I get what you mean about Jay Z, but it's only cos R n B, Hip hop and that has become popular over there the last few years. He does not seem to have too much personality about him really, yeah he is a good artist, but he just does not have it all.

I think he's become more involved with the fans since the Glasto thing, I mean ive seen a lot more interviews and more commercially playable stuff.....wether that makes him a sell out to some extent im not sure....

[MrGaryy]

I also think GaGa has the potential to be iconic come 20 years time.

[InOne]

Amy Winehouse maybe? Also bands like Daft Punk and Gorillaz?

No lol Stick to Madonna :tongue:

[Shaun]

Music today doesn't allow for much personality - everything is produced and manufactured to conform with what the audience demands and all elements of controversy, bar one case I can think of (Gaga) are removed.

30 years ago the legends would freely party like mad, do cocaine, drink binges, get into fights - nowadays popstars wouldn't dream of doing **** like this. The only exception I can think of is Amy Winehouse.

In short: there's a lot less scope to stick out from the crowd and appear truly iconic and a huge character. As much as it pains me to say it - I think GaGa is the strongest candidate.

[InOne]

I also think GaGa has the potential to be iconic come 20 years time.

Can see her fizzling about to be honest, unless she totally re-invents herself.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Leona Lewis is a big contender i think Taylor Swift is a great icon i want to be like her:)

[InOne]

Music today doesn't allow for much personality - everything is produced and manufactured to conform with what the audience demands and all elements of controversy, bar one case I can think of (Gaga) are removed.

30 years ago the legends would freely party like mad, do cocaine, drink binges, get into fights - nowadays popstars wouldn't dream of doing **** like this. The only exception I can think of is Amy Winehouse.

In short: there's a lot less scope to stick out from the crowd and appear truly iconic and a huge character. As much as it pains me to say it - I think GaGa is the strongest candidate.

I guess the same could have been said about Britney at one time though, look what happened there. GaGa is a kooky dresser and makes catchy pop songs.

[Harry!]

No lol Stick to Madonna :tongue:

Amy influenced the likes of Duffy, Adele , Kate Nash and Lily Allen.

Daft Punk revelutioned the dance/electro genre and Gorillaz do I need to describe them?

And the irony is Madonna is one of the best female icons ever.

[Shaun]

I guess the same could have been said about Britney at one time though, look what happened there. GaGa is a kooky dresser and makes catchy pop songs.

The difference being Gaga is talented.

[InOne]

Amy influenced the likes of Duffy, Adele , Kate Nash and Lily Allen.

Daft Punk revelutioned the dance/electro genre and Gorillaz do I need to describe them?

And the irony is Madonna is one of the best female icons ever.

You are making it out like Winehouse has been around 20 years or something.

[InOne]

The difference being Gaga is talented.

Indeed, where catchy pop songs come into it.

[Harry!]

You are making it out like Winehouse has been around 20 years or something.

No I am not. Just see what she has to bring to the future then me and you will see.

[Ross]

Lady Gaga without a doubt. If you go to one of her shows, you will realise.

[BB_Eye]

The truth is there are no 'greats' in popular music. The industry is driven by money and manipulating young listeners. An artist's success and influence rarely corresponds to their talents in this situation.

[InOne]

No I am not. Just see what she has to bring to the future then me and you will see.

Winehouse lost it before she got really really big. She is a good artist but not a great, she will be remembered more for her drug antics.

[Iceman]

Winehouse lost it before she got really really big. She is a good artist but not a great, she will be remembered more for her drug antics.

exactly that was her time to cement herslef.....(I thin she's amazing) but if she can't hack it now how will she manage to do it again, the next album will come out she'll be fine for a few months, gets some money from it and becomes junkie amy again.

[InOne]

exactly that was her time to cement herslef.....(I thin she's amazing) but if she can't hack it now how will she manage to do it again, the next album will come out she'll be fine for a few months, gets some money from it and becomes junkie amy again.

Pretty much, if she has a destructive personality, then not much people can do really.

[Iceman]

Pretty much, if she has a destructive personality, then not much people can do really.

i'd love to see her keep it together and all but the temptation will be hard once she gets hugely famous again, i mean i think we all know her album will be tremendous.....its the hanger-ons that'll be her downfall.

[Raph]

yes agree about Miley Cirus. but not a great!

[InOne]

i'd love to see her keep it together and all but the temptation will be hard once she gets hugely famous again, i mean i think we all know her album will be tremendous.....its the hanger-ons that'll be her downfall.

If she gets hugely famous again, alot more female competition about now. When she was coming up, people were just sort of going off the whole indie thing again.

[M X]

In the future, Gaga.

[Jayson]

Lady Gaga could be.

[LemonJam]

She's not a favourite artist of mine personally, but I can see Lilly Allen becoming an 'icon.'

[MrGaryy]

She's not a favourite artist of mine personally, but I can see Lilly Allen becoming an 'icon.'

oh yes, I agree with this. I think she has quite a Marilyn Monroe quality to her, we'll look back in 20 years time and she'll be that wild child, face of a generation type.

[Patrick]

Amy Winehouse maybe? Also bands like Daft Punk and Gorillaz?

LOL

I think InOne means like the likes of Madonna or Michael Jackson, you could hardly call Amy, Daft Punk or the Gorillaz up to their standard even though I do like DP and the Gorillaz.

[InOne]

GaGa has really got you lot struck eh, she just seems a paraphrase of Madonna tbh.

[MrGaryy]

LOL

I think InOne means like the likes of Madonna or Michael Jackson, you could hardly call Amy, Daft Punk or the Gorillaz up to their standard even though I do like DP and the Gorillaz.

yeah honey the whole point of the thread was pondering whether there ever will be another one to their standard, obviously not is the currently one we just cant find. The debate is who of the current crop has the potential to go on to that status.

[Callum]

Isn't Lily retiring though?

[InOne]

Lily would never be a great. Florance has a better chance than her. I think what I was sort of getting at is there will never be another great, as why I said they are not amoung is. And however many albums you sell does not make you great, as I often have shoved upon me in these kind of threads

[MrGaryy]

yeah but regardless of her retiring, she's still left a huge impact on the music scene and the Noughties and no doubt will continue to do so for a while.

[Twilight]

I'd say Lady GaGa could become a icon, but were just gonna have to wait and see:P

[supernoodles!]

Florence has more talent in her big toe than Lily Allen has in her entire body.

[Wildcat!]

Never quite like MJ there wont! :(

But there will be one OP! I agree, not people like you mentioned, who are just popular. BUt there will be one, soon enough! We've always have them, so its part of the gene pool. :)

[MarkWaldorf]

Depends. How many people actually cared about michael jackson before he died? Sure, he had a big dedicated fanbase but it took for him to die for the world to really call him a legend/great for his music again, and not just judge him for his personal life.

I think the same will happen with Madonna. Once the king and queen of pop are gone, it'll pave way for the Britney's, Gaga's, Justin's etc to emerge as the leading figures and it's a repeated process.

[supernoodles!]

Never quite like MJ there wont! :(

But there will be one OP! I agree, not people like you mentioned, who are just popular. BUt there will be one, soon enough! We've always have them, so its part of the gene pool. :)

Amen to that

[Wildcat!]

Depends. How many people actually cared about michael jackson before he died? Sure, he had a big dedicated fanbase but it took for him to die for the world to really call him a legend/great for his music again, and not just judge him for his personal life.

I think the same will happen with Madonna. Once the king and queen of pop are gone, it'll pave way for the Britney's, Gaga's, Justin's etc to emerge as the leading figures and it's a repeated process.


Errm no! Those people are glorified clones! Britney and them are Michael Jackson/ Madonna clones! They didnt invent or reinvent anything! Gaga same!

Legends are people who were pioneers. Elvis was a pioneer. Michael Jackson, a pioneer. Madonna, same. NOt this lot!

[supernoodles!]

Depends. How many people actually cared about michael jackson before he died? Sure, he had a big dedicated fanbase but it took for him to die for the world to really call him a legend/great for his music again, and not just judge him for his personal life.

I think the same will happen with Madonna. Once the king and queen of pop are gone, it'll pave way for the Britney's, Gaga's, Justin's etc to emerge as the leading figures and it's a repeated process.

That is rubbish about MJ,Millions of people around the world appreciated what an amazing artist he was from the start of his career.Its only the press who have now done a reverse and started calling him a 'legend' again afterturning their backs on him in recent years.

[Shaun]

The difference between the greats and those around nowadays is that everything's been done.

Madonna, she was the first female popstar to shock people. How erotic and controversial she was (on tour, the Like A Prayer video etc) makes her an icon.

Michael Jackson revolutionised the music video and has had a huge impact on choreography.

Now there's nothing really to pioneer. Unless there's a dramatic shift in dancing / singing styles, we're not going to get an icon some time soon.

[supernoodles!]

The difference between the greats and those around nowadays is that everything's been done.

Madonna, she was the first female popstar to shock people. How erotic and controversial she was (on tour, the Like A Prayer video etc) makes her an icon.

Michael Jackson revolutionised the music video and has had a huge impact on choreography.

Now there's nothing really to pioneer. Unless there's a dramatic shift in dancing / singing styles, we're not going to get an icon some time soon.


I agree,its all been done,haven`t all the boundies been pushed?Gaga is trying but failing,of course she is extremely popular and I don`t dislike her but people who say she is the next Madonna,err no.What has she done exactly apart from wear a bunch of crazy outfits and had a handful of catchy pop tunes.Nothing.Its nothing we haven`t seen before.

[Tom4784]

Not barely, she made two albums and has loads of songs which have leaked online from the past 4/5 years

Oh I see, she's OBVIOUSLY got ennough to be an iconic legend then......If she's still around in 20 years then we can talk.

To some other posts I'm sorry but I laugh in the face of anyone that thinks the likes of Leona Lewis, Miley Cyrus, and Justin Bieber will become iconic. They're unoriginal fads with nothing new to offer and they will NEVER become iconic or great.

[supernoodles!]

I don`t even know who this Justin Beiber dude is and I don`t want too.

[xDramatick]

I agree,its all been done,haven`t all the boundies been pushed?Gaga is trying but failing,of course she is extremely popular and I don`t dislike her but people who say she is the next Madonna,err no.What has she done exactly apart from wear a bunch of crazy outfits and had a handful of catchy pop tunes.Nothing.Its nothing we haven`t seen before.

yeah, 'cos 10 million albums, 35+ million singles, 126 award nominations, 56 awards won, and two sell-out world tours, written songs for & duetted with some of today's biggest artists, contributed to various charities +supported gay rights, && brought the collaboration between music and art back to the mainstream - all in just over a year - is nothing.

[Damaris]

Patrick Wolf :P tehe

[KKBL]

Can see her fizzling about to be honest, unless she totally re-invents herself.

That won't happen. Lady GaGa will do everything in her power to make sure thats she's still as successful 5 or 10 years from now. Her massive success so far is no accident. Back in 2008 Lady GaGa was just another underground arist in New York with a plan, 2 years, 2 sold-out WW tours and ten million records later she's the biggest thing in Pop. She is a very very clever woman. Her plan has worked out perfectly so far, I can't see her starting to fail anytime soon.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Leona Lewis.

[Damaris]

Leona Lewis has no chance tbh.

Echo wasnt exacty ranted and raved about was it.

[InOne]

That won't happen. Lady GaGa will do everything in her power to make sure thats she's still as successful 5 or 10 years from now. Her massive success so far is no accident. Back in 2008 Lady GaGa was just another underground arist in New York with a plan, 2 years, 2 sold-out WW tours and ten million records later she's the biggest thing in Pop. She is a very very clever woman. Her plan has worked out perfectly so far, I can't see her starting to fail anytime soon.

As I said before, GaGa is a paraphrase of Madonna. She can try keep herself in the spotlight, but it does not mean she will last. Yes she is a clever woman, hence why she has been able to draw everyone in to her apparent 'kookyness'. Let's see right, Pokerface, Bad Romance, Just Dance, they are just club tunes man, no meaning to them. She has to use imagery to shock. And maybe Madonna had a few scandles in the past, she shocked people, and her songs were also iconic. Who will remember Poker Face in 20 years time? There will be many more GaGa's to come along.

[InOne]

Never quite like MJ there wont! :(

But there will be one OP! I agree, not people like you mentioned, who are just popular. BUt there will be one, soon enough! We've always have them, so its part of the gene pool. :)

It will take alot, and they will have to break some real boundaries, but it's not impossible. But like I said, people are too quick to use the term 'icon' these days. I can't see anyone being better than the ones we already have.

[Stu]

Jay-Z is already an icon in some circles. And he has years left in his career yet. The man will be an icon. Also, are we all forgetting about Eminem? Provided he can stay consistent and keep those albums coming, he is certainly becoming an icon in my eyes.

Anyone who will tell you Lady GaGa is an icon is a liar. We just have to wait and see. Wait and see.

[Tom]

I think Shakira will become a cult figure, as will Lily Allen as already mentioned. I think Justin Timberlake would have become one of the greats (people already treat him as influences) had he not vanished off the face of the earth. His time to cement himself has been and gone.

Lady Gaga won't be an icon. She'll fade away once people tire of her act.

Although she doesn't write most of her own music and can't sing live, I think Rihanna will become a memorable singer, she always puts on a good show and her music is constantly evolving.

I think Beyonce is the closest we'll get to one for the time being though.

[Iceman]

Jay-Z is already an icon in some circles. And he has years left in his career yet. The man will be an icon. Also, are we all forgetting about Eminem? Provided he can stay consistent and keep those albums coming, he is certainly becoming an icon in my eyes.

Anyone who will tell you Lady GaGa is an icon is a liar. We just have to wait and see. Wait and see.

I agree with Eminem, people said he's fade away after an album r two.....last year he released 2 albums in the space of 3 months and has relapse 2 coming out this year.....he has such a following that he can **** off for 5 years come back and still be right up there with the rest clocking up hits and albums....

[M X]

I know I'll get burned for saying this, but Britney Spears. She's broken every record imaginable, all before she turned 30. The best selling female act of the 2000's, the first song ever to get #1 in over 50 countries, 100 million records sold, 7 sold-out tours in arenas and stadiums, the biggest public meltdown in history yet still managed to come back from the ashes, i could go on..

[Lewis.]

I think Beyonce is the closest we are coming to an icon at the moment.. I can see a new face appearing soon though. Gaga is a good contender aswell.. I always think of her as the future of music and celebrity culture.

[setanta]

There's fabulous artists out there but they don't enter the mainstream as easily nowadays.

[MrGaryy]

I know I'll get burned for saying this, but Britney Spears. She's broken every record imaginable, all before she turned 30. The best selling female act of the 2000's, the first song ever to get #1 in over 50 countries, 100 million records sold, 7 sold-out tours in arenas and stadiums, the biggest public meltdown in history yet still managed to come back from the ashes, i could go on..

her meltdown was definitely not the biggest in public history :/

and I don't agree she's an icon tbh. Her face is iconic, she has a few iconic videos but SHE herself has done nothing iconic, she's a product of other people's creativity, nothing is her. And every year that goes by she becomes less and less relevant.

[Iceman]

I think britney is an icon, not for her music though she's a whole industry in herself, not by choice, by fascination.

[Tom]

I think Britney Spears is the female popstar and the one others aspire to be like (musically of course). Shes had a big impact on pop even if she is just a manufactured product. The Spice Girls were manufactured even down to each playing individual roles yet they're hailed as the best British girl band of all time.

She is becoming irrelevant now but until around 2006 she was as big as it gets, and her come back was one of the biggest of the noughties.

And thats coming from someone who can't stand the woman.

[Shaun]

The thing about Britney is that she's not a personality - ANYONE could have been moulded the way she was.

[Tom]

The thing about Britney is that she's not a personality - ANYONE could have been moulded the way she was.

Not anyone ... it's the 'thing' X Factor looks for which she has. Shes just told how to use it. For example you couldn't put Michelle McManus in her mould and expect the same results.

[Shaun]

I'd have thought that would've been obvious.

[Beastie]

Jay-Z is already an icon in some circles. And he has years left in his career yet. The man will be an icon. Also, are we all forgetting about Eminem? Provided he can stay consistent and keep those albums coming, he is certainly becoming an icon in my eyes.

Anyone who will tell you Lady GaGa is an icon is a liar. We just have to wait and see. Wait and see.

Ahh yes I agree with Eminem.

Also The Beatles <3

[Tom]

I think Eminem has ruined it for himself, he doesn't have mainstream appeal anymore and seems to have just faded away. His mainstream career (so the one which would give him iconic status) was quite short lived.