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Iceman
08-03-2010, 02:45 PM
Just been thinking about this a lot over the past while becuase its been in the media a lot. What do you think of organ donation? I mean if you could help someone to live when your gone would you do it?
Crimson Dynamo
08-03-2010, 02:47 PM
It should be compulsory
pinkmichk
08-03-2010, 02:48 PM
i have thought about this a lot cos i give blood so its something that has come up more than once i'm still not sure where i stand on it
Princess
08-03-2010, 02:49 PM
I don't see what people have against it. You don't need your organs when you're dead and you could save lives as well.
Vicky.
08-03-2010, 02:51 PM
Im on the donor list. I dont see what good my organs are to me once Im dead...might aswell help someone else.
There should be some way you can say the sort of person they should go to though, these alchololics who get second livers and knack them up too because they wont stop drinking, shouldnt have had a second chance in the first place...if someone is ill by their own doing, then I dont want to help them, selfish as it sounds, would rather help a child who was born ill or something.
Crimson Dynamo
08-03-2010, 02:51 PM
i have thought about this a lot cos i give blood so its something that has come up more than once i'm still not sure where i stand on it
You dont stand on it your stick it in the person who needs it. :nono:
Niamh.
08-03-2010, 02:51 PM
absolutely agree with it, I don't understand peoples reasons for not agreeing with it. Why have your organs rot and feed some worms when they could have saved a life?
Princess
08-03-2010, 02:53 PM
Im on the donor list. I dont see what good my organs are to me once Im dead...might aswell help someone else.
There should be some way you can say the sort of person they should go to though, these alchololics who get second livers and knack them up too because they wont stop drinking, shouldnt have had a second chance in the first place...if someone is ill by their own doing, then I dont want to help them, selfish as it sounds, would rather help a child who was born ill or something.
Well there's a priority list,whoever needs organs the most gets them first but only if the organs are a match. On Grey's Anatomy they had this thing where an alcholic had to be sober a year before getting any organs,I don't know if it's the same over here.
Vicky.
08-03-2010, 02:54 PM
Well there's a priority list,whoever needs organs the most gets them first but only if the organs are a match. On Grey's Anatomy they had this thing where an alcholic had to be sober a year before getting any organs,I don't know if it's the same over here.
There should be.
I still think people who are genuinely ill should get help first though, instead of someone who has made themselves like that.
InOne
08-03-2010, 02:55 PM
There should be.
I still think people who are genuinely ill should get help first though, instead of someone who has made themselves like that.
Do you mean such as smokers or drinkers?
Tom4784
08-03-2010, 02:55 PM
I'm all for it, I won't need them when I'm dead.
Vicky.
08-03-2010, 02:56 PM
Do you mean such as smokers or drinkers?
Yeah, and i smoke and drink myself.
Iceman
08-03-2010, 02:56 PM
I know a few people who have said they wont....i questioned them on it and they just said they would prefer not to so i didnt push it upon them....
InOne
08-03-2010, 02:57 PM
Yeah, and i smoke and drink myself.
Yep, alot of the smokers have the 'I don't care' attitude anyway
Vicky.
08-03-2010, 02:57 PM
I know a few people who have said they wont....i questioned them on it and they just said they would prefer not to so i didnt push it upon them....
My partner says he wont, 'because I dont want to'...he also has a problem with me saying I would do it...he seems to think if I die he has some sort of right to say that they cant cut me up...
Shasown
08-03-2010, 02:57 PM
Do you mean such as smokers or drinkers?
Then again maybe we should ban all smokers and drinkers from receiving any care in the NHS.
Would they then ask for the tax on their poisons be used to set up a health service for themselves? That would pretty much knacker the NHS.
InOne
08-03-2010, 02:58 PM
Then again maybe we should ban all smokers and drinkers from receiving any care in the NHS.
Would they then ask for the tax on their poisons be used to set up a health service for themselves? That would pretty much knacker the NHS.
Indeed, it's a complicated matter, didn't say I agree or disagree with what treatment they get.
Vicky.
08-03-2010, 02:58 PM
Yep, alot of the smokers have the 'I don't care' attitude anyway
Well...its not so much not caring...its more i think people who are ill through no fault of their own should be priority...which seems fair to me. Maybe I look at things the wrong way, I dont know, but Ive always thought like that.
Niamh.
08-03-2010, 02:59 PM
I know a few people who have said they wont....i questioned them on it and they just said they would prefer not to so i didnt push it upon them....
yeah, I just can't think why they wouldn't though, I mean It can't be religious reasons cos it's only your soul goes, I mean no religions believe that you actually need your body after Death do they?
InOne
08-03-2010, 02:59 PM
Well...its not so much not caring...its more i think people who are ill through no fault of their own should be priority...which seems fair to me. Maybe I look at things the wrong way, I dont know, but Ive always thought like that.
Yeah I know what you mean. I don't even know how priorty works over here.
Shasown
08-03-2010, 03:00 PM
Indeed, it's a complicated matter, didn't say I agree or disagree with what treatment they get.
Yeah, I think it has to be done on an individual case, some people who should stop for their health dont.
Its when they dont want to stop but receive the benefits and still go back to unhealthy ways.
Mind you cant exactly take them back in and rip out the replcement organs, can you?
Iceman
08-03-2010, 03:01 PM
yeah, I just can't think why they wouldn't though, I mean It can't be religious reasons cos it's only your soul goes, I mean no religions believe that you actually need your body after Death do they?
I dotn think so I know Egyptian God's thought that they needed their organs and stuff for afterlife....
Princess
08-03-2010, 03:02 PM
I presume there is a priority list type thing,there would have to be. *googles*
Crimson Dynamo
08-03-2010, 03:03 PM
yeah, I just can't think why they wouldn't though, I mean It can't be religious reasons cos it's only your soul goes, I mean no religions believe that you actually need your body after Death do they?
whooah
way to go to upset the Vampire community:shocked:
InOne
08-03-2010, 03:04 PM
Yeah, I think it has to be done on an individual case, some people who should stop for their health dont.
Its when they dont want to stop but receive the benefits and still go back to unhealthy ways.
Mind you cant exactly take them back in and rip out the replcement organs, can you?
Yeah, isn't that what happened with George Best? And yeah, it's not good if you get a second chance at life, and then throw it back in the tax payers faces. Although it does wake some people up though to be fair.
Niamh.
08-03-2010, 03:05 PM
whooah
way to go to upset the Vampire community:shocked:
Is Vampirism a religion now? If it is I'm signing up!
Dr.Gonzo
08-03-2010, 03:06 PM
I'm on the list and I have the card.
bananarama
10-03-2010, 11:44 AM
It should be compulsory
Peoples bodies and wishes should be respected both in life and after.......No it should not be compulsory.....
Dr.Gonzo
10-03-2010, 11:50 AM
Peoples bodies and wishes should be respected both in life and after.......No it should not be compulsory.....
Remember, he's Christian.
bananarama
10-03-2010, 11:59 AM
Remember, he's Christian.
Ahhh. Ok I'll turn the other cheek.......:hugesmile:
Dr.Gonzo
10-03-2010, 12:00 PM
Heh.
DrunkerThanMoses
10-03-2010, 12:25 PM
I for it, I have a donination card, and if anything happens to me, -touch wood-, and I die and my organs are useable I would want my organ doninated to save someone elses life.
I would prefer my body to be neat and in tact when I'm dead. I don't want to be chopped up, period.
Shasown
10-03-2010, 03:25 PM
Why not just reverse the current system and simply state that all organs may be used for transplants in the event of them being suitable. Then allow people to sign out of automatic donation if they wish.
That way "the cant be arsed either way" brigade have tacitly given their consent, and those who feel its not for them can sign out and keep intact any organs that the pathologist doing the post mortem doesnt slash, shred, dice, slice or sample.
Niamh.
10-03-2010, 03:39 PM
Why not just reverse the current system and simply state that all organs may be used for transplants in the event of them being suitable. Then allow people to sign out of automatic donation if they wish.
That way "the cant be arsed either way" brigade have tacitly given their consent, and those who feel its not for them can sign out and keep intact any organs that the pathologist doing the post mortem doesnt slash, shred, dice, slice or sample.
that's a very good suggestion actually Shasown
Shasown
10-03-2010, 03:46 PM
Well it should mean there would be more viable organs available for transplant. Plus it may even placate all those control freaks in the government who want to own us body and soul.
And anarchists everywhere could have a legitimate excuse for alcohol abuse etc.
See everones happy. A win-win situation.
Dr.Gonzo
10-03-2010, 04:04 PM
Really good idea, Shasown.
Stacey.
10-03-2010, 04:12 PM
no, i wouldnt do it.
Harry!
10-03-2010, 04:38 PM
I dont want my body cut up and given to other people. I want to be buirried whole.
Niamh.
10-03-2010, 04:40 PM
I dont want my body cut up and given to other people. I want to be buirried whole.
why though? you're organs are just going to rot away when they could have saved a life.
Harry!
10-03-2010, 04:42 PM
why though? you're organs are just going to rot away when they could have saved a life.
But really I would want to be buired whole and not dismantled. Not put to pieces.
Niamh.
10-03-2010, 04:46 PM
But really I would want to be buired whole and not dismantled. Not put to pieces.
Fair enough, that's your choice but like you're dead and you're whole body is going to rot away anyway. It's like recycling donating your organs!
Vicky.
10-03-2010, 05:39 PM
Why not just reverse the current system and simply state that all organs may be used for transplants in the event of them being suitable. Then allow people to sign out of automatic donation if they wish.
That way "the cant be arsed either way" brigade have tacitly given their consent, and those who feel its not for them can sign out and keep intact any organs that the pathologist doing the post mortem doesnt slash, shred, dice, slice or sample.
Yup, thats a brilliant idea.
Captain.Remy
10-03-2010, 05:52 PM
It's a big no and it's out of question. My body is my body, that's how my parents made me, that's what I've been living with. I'm sorry but I'm not Mother Theresa, bad luck for people who need them. That sounds cruel but there you go.
I wish some of the no people could expand on their responses a little more. 'My body is pure' and 'I want to be burried whole' are just blank statements on there own.
Why do you need your organs when your in the ground? Your going to rot anyway. Who cares how much of you is there to rot? I mean ... really?
What if you needed an urgent transplant that was not available due to a general consensus that 'I wanna be burried the way I were born lolz'. I wonder would your standpoint change then?
It's childish. Organ donation should be automatic, and you should be able to opt out of this manually if you wish.
Vicky.
10-03-2010, 06:04 PM
It's a big no and it's out of question. My body is my body, that's how my parents made me, that's what I've been living with. I'm sorry but I'm not Mother Theresa, bad luck for people who need them. That sounds cruel but there you go.
If you needed an organ, would you take it?
daft question really though...but its a damn good thing that not everyone thinks like this.
Captain.Remy
10-03-2010, 06:07 PM
If you needed an organ, would you take it?
daft question really though...but its a damn good thing that not everyone thinks like this.
I respect everyone's decision, I'm not going all judgemental about what is good or not. If the person agreed to give its organ so why not. But I don't agree to give away mines.
You would really take someone elses organs and not feel the need to return the favour? :shocked:
Captain.Remy
10-03-2010, 06:19 PM
You would really take someone elses organs and not feel the need to return the favour? :shocked:
It may sound crazy but no. I sound very illogical here and I hate that because I am a logical person and whatever I do, there is a reason behind it. But for this one, it's much more complicated, it's a question of culture and faith (probably) and a question of integrity. The thought of people thinking I'm half-empty scares me. I know I sound right cruel, selfish and mean but I can't help it. I don't even think I'd be comfortable having an organ in my body that isn't mine.
Princess
10-03-2010, 07:39 PM
I don't understand people not wanting to save several people's lifes is all. You could be saving someone's husband,wife,mum,dad,child.
Smithy
10-03-2010, 07:47 PM
I don't understand people not wanting to save several people's lifes is all. You could be saving someone's husband,wife,mum,dad,child.
But then again you could be giving them to convicts, or to people who have done it to themselves
Excessive drinkers and smokers end up needing transplants and tbh they're the one's who screwed their own organs up.
But then again you could be giving them to convicts, or to people who have done it to themselves
Excessive drinkers and smokers end up needing transplants and tbh they're the one's who screwed their own organs up.
Many of those guys are not eligible for transplant though. There is a shortage of organs as it is, the priority is hardly for Snake to get your liver.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/kingofthering/500px-snakepng.jpg
As totally awesome as that would be, dude.
Niamh.
10-03-2010, 08:10 PM
they should also make a rule that peopl who opt out of donating their organs when they die, are not eligable to receive donations!
Smithy
10-03-2010, 08:11 PM
they should also make a rule that peopl who opt out of donating their organs when they die, are not eligable to receive donations!
But if you die, surely you wouldnt need one?
Gemmer-x
10-03-2010, 08:12 PM
I'm all for it, my organ's are no good to me when i'm brown bread.
Vicky.
10-03-2010, 08:16 PM
they should also make a rule that peopl who opt out of donating their organs when they die, are not eligable to receive donations!
This is also a good idea.
Why on earth should someone selfish enough NOT to donate (lets face it, you're dead, you dont need anything), take advantage of someone who did do it?
Niamh.
10-03-2010, 08:17 PM
But if you die, surely you wouldnt need one?
If Shasowns idea was done where unless you specifically said that you ddn't want your organs donated then they automatically were after you died. Then the people (while still alive) who took the opt out, I want to be buried whole option, would not be eligable for organ donations should they ever need them.
Princess
10-03-2010, 08:19 PM
But then again you could be giving them to convicts, or to people who have done it to themselves
Excessive drinkers and smokers end up needing transplants and tbh they're the one's who screwed their own organs up.
There is a priority list,people like that are never near the top of it. And just because someone has made a bad mistake in their life doesn't mean they deserve to die.
Smithy
10-03-2010, 08:20 PM
If Shasowns idea was done where unless you specifically said that you ddn't want your organs donated then they automatically were after you died. Then the people (while still alive) who took the opt out, I want to be buried whole option, would not be eligable for organ donations should they ever need them.
Some people just may not know enough aout organ donation or not know who to become a donor, doesnt mean they're selfish.
:shrug:
they should also make a rule that peopl who opt out of donating their organs when they die, are not eligable to receive donations!
I'll choose to opt out when I've almost kicked the bucket then. :D
I don't need to elaborate on why I want all my organs. I want a very dignified burial. If I have a heart, lung and kidney missing, it wouldn't be right.
Lewis.
10-03-2010, 08:22 PM
A very good thread actually. I am not sure where I stand.. As much as I hate the idea of having my insides missing when I'm cremated.. I do stand by the idea that I wouldn't need them anyway and that If I don't need them then there is no point having them.. So yeah, I'm undecided at the moment.. But I'd definitely love to give blood when I'm old enough..
Vicky.
10-03-2010, 08:22 PM
Some people just may not know enough aout organ donation or not know who to become a donor, doesnt mean they're selfish.
:shrug:
No, this idea was to be mixed with shasowns idea of having an opt-out list, instead of joining the register.
Those who opt out, wouldnt be eligible for a transplant, should they need one.
Smithy
10-03-2010, 08:23 PM
There is a priority list,people like that are never near the top of it. And just because someone has made a bad mistake in their life doesn't mean they deserve to die.
What if its a murderer, would you be happy your organs going to that sort of person.
And people who abuse their organs and get a transplant may not learn after that, just look at george best, didnt he have 2 liver transplants (or was it just one??)
Niamh.
10-03-2010, 08:23 PM
Some people just may not know enough aout organ donation or not know who to become a donor, doesnt mean they're selfish.
:shrug:
did you read anything I wrote? I'm talking about if Shasowns idea was put into practice not the way it is now. His idea was that, everybody is automatically a donor and if they din't want to be they would have to state that instead of the way it is now which is the opposite way round!
Smithy
10-03-2010, 08:23 PM
No, this idea was to be mixed with shasowns idea of having an opt-out list, instead of joining the register.
Those who opt out, wouldnt be eligible for a transplant, should they need one.
Oh, ok :blush:
Princess
10-03-2010, 08:24 PM
What if its a murderer, would you be happy your organs going to that sort of person.
And people who abuse their organs and get a transplant may not learn after that, just look at george best, didnt he have 2 liver transplants (or was it just one??)
Ok there's a difference between a murderer and an alcholic for one. George Best just had one liver transplant. I don't think organs would be given to murderers very often anyways. I wish I knew about this.
Anyways I would give my organs no matter what,a life is a life.
Smithy
10-03-2010, 08:24 PM
did you read anything I wrote? I'm talking about if Shasowns idea was put into practice not the way it is now. His idea was that, everybody is automatically a donor and if they din't want to be they would have to state that instead of the way it is now which is the opposite way round!
Sort of :p
I thought you emphaising your previous point though :(
What if its a murderer, would you be happy your organs going to that sort of person.
And people who abuse their organs and get a transplant may not learn after that, just look at george best, didnt he have 2 liver transplants (or was it just one??)
That's because he was George freakin' Best.
It's a bit of a piss poor, clutching at straws argument against organ donation really. I think we can safely assume, as people already said, that a murderer will never be getting your organs.
They have priority lists. I imagine murderers go somewhere near the bottom of that list.
And whats with this dignified burial stuff? I wasn't aware that there was a dignified manner to be locked in a box under six feet of dirt rotting away without a change of clothes while sick kids suffer on organ waiting lists.
~dignity?
Niamh.
10-03-2010, 08:27 PM
I'll choose to opt out when I've almost kicked the bucket then. :D
I don't need to elaborate on why I want all my organs. I want a very dignified burial. If I have a heart, lung and kidney missing, it wouldn't be right.
lol, right atleast you'll be feeding the worms so I suppose......................
Smithy
10-03-2010, 08:27 PM
That's because he was George freakin' Best.
It's a bit of a piss poor, clutching at straws argument against organ donation really. I think we can safely assume, as people already said, that a murderer will never be getting your organs.
They have priority lists. I imagine murderers go somewhere near the bottom of that list.
It was just because George Best is the only high proflie case i could use, I could hardly say, the guy who lives down the road.
lol, right atleast you'll be feeding the worms so I suppose......................
They'll be feeding on me anyway. I don't think they're too fussy.
Princess
10-03-2010, 08:32 PM
George Best fecked up his transplant because he started drinking again. It's not like they gave him a 2nd one after that.
Anyways liver transplants can come from alive people,you only need a bit of the liver. So relatives give transplants sometimes.
Shasown
10-03-2010, 08:33 PM
They'll be feeding on me anyway. I don't think they're too fussy.Worms dont really get to feed on the body, by the time they have gotten through the box you go in (even one of the new biodegradable cardboard coffins) your insides have jellified and rotted, most of your skin and muscle tissue has rotted.
That is of course unless some time after death a fly laid eggs on or in you in which case, the larva get a good feed on you. Happy Thoughts!
Worms dont really get to feed on the body, by the time they have gotten through the box you go in (even one of the new biodegradable cardboard coffins) your insides have jellified and rotted, most of your skin and muscle tissue has rotted.
That is of course unless some time after death a fly laid eggs on or in you in which case, the larva get a good feed on you. Happy Thoughts!
You think that would put me off? :P
Shasown
10-03-2010, 08:44 PM
You think that would put me off? :P
Not at all my dear. :wink:
I can see why people don't want to donate ... but personally I don't think its a problem. I don't give 2 ******s what happens to me once I'm dead.
I think the government should go for an opt-out procedure and make it compulsory if people feel that strongly against it. No matter what people have said- its the government, funded by everyone in the country, who has looked after us all our lives so its giving something back. In theory, if you have an operation, then the person who ends up getting your liver or whatever contributed towards the operation you had when you were alive.
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