Did being overweight help kill this poor girl?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256307/Convicted-sex-attacker-Peter-Chapman-admits-murder-teenager-Ashleigh-Hall.html


This is a horrid squalid story. It would seem that the overweight victim sought male attention online because she was getting none face to face - because she was overweight. She was then picked off by a sadistic killer.

Mr Reeds said the teenager suffered from low-esteem and often boys were not interested in her.

'According to her friend, Ashleigh was interested in boys but they, generally, were not interested in her,' Mr Reeds said.

'She is thought to have had low self-esteem and friends thought if a male did show her attention she would likely be flattered by it.'

The mother is overweight. Now I do not want to detract from her grief or add to it but should mothers not ensure that (especially) their daughters do not become fat in their teenage years. The victims diet almost inevitably will be made up of high sugar high fat items with little fruit or veg and I would wager no exercise.

Fat girls will not get boys or attention. Obviously 99.99% will not be murdered but they will still have a horrible adolescence?

[Niamh.]

Parents have a huge responsibly to their children to make sure they have good diets. Children who are fat because of what they eat, I think is absolutely the parents fault. My kids would eat sweets all day long If I let them.

[Enid]

This is ridiculous. The man is clearly not all there. I mean look at him...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/08/article-1256307-08A0F0F5000005DC-92_306x423.jpg

The fact she was overweight had nothing to do with it. He was just praying on a vulnerable young girl.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, of course her being over weight does not make her responsible for being killed that's an idiotic thing to say! It's like saying that a girl who wears a short skirt should expect to get raped!

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is ridiculous. The man is clearly not all there. I mean look at him...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/08/article-1256307-08A0F0F5000005DC-92_306x423.jpg

The fact she was overweight had nothing to do with it. He was just praying on a vulnerable young girl.

No

he preyed on her anxiety and her need for male attention, causued by her weight.

In most of these online assault cases the girls are fat.

[Wildcat!]

I just cant believe how someone with his track record can be free at all! If you commit rape and do it again after being freed, there is no way you should ever be released again! Thats unbelievable!

[Niamh.]

No

he preyed on her anxiety and her need for male attention, causued by her weight.

In most of these online assault cases the girls are fat.

she was an easy target maybe but so are kids, what's your point? It was his fault because he's a murdering piece of scum

[Wildcat!]

No

he preyed on her anxiety and her need for male attention, causued by her weight.

In most of these online assault cases the girls are fat.


Its not just fat girls. It couldve been any girl. This guy is just a sick person! He's done it to other girls before who werent fat!

[supernoodles!]

Ashleigh Hall went to my college I knew her.

[cupid stunt]

No

he preyed on her anxiety and her need for male attention, causued by her weight.

In most of these online assault cases the girls are fat.

just LOOK AT THE **** YOU CAN TELL HES A NONCE PUT HIM THOMPSON AND VENABLES ON A ISLAND AND BLOW THE ****ER UP

[supernoodles!]

I`ve not seen that photo before...****ing scum,I hope he rots.

[Twilight]

Hes a vile bastard

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its not just fat girls. It couldve been any girl. This guy is just a sick person! He's done it to other girls before who werent fat!

he used her anxiety - he preyed on the vulnerable. he would not have done this to a slim attractive girl.

[cupid stunt]

An how do you know that pal? Stop defendin dat 4 eyes **** wot killed her

[Niamh.]

he used her anxiety - he preyed on the vulnerable. he would not have done this to a slim attractive girl.

attractive girls can have low self esteem too LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

attractive girls can have low self esteem too LT

indeed but will get male attention. this girl has low self esteem and no male attention etc..

the dice were loaded. she was like the baby antelope being attacked by the jackal whilst the other antelopes could run away.

[Crimson Dynamo]

An how do you know that pal? Stop defendin dat 4 eyes **** wot killed her


life is a bit more complicated than the blurred black and white micro-world that you seem to inhabit.

[supernoodles!]

he used her anxiety - he preyed on the vulnerable. he would not have done this to a slim attractive girl.

That is a load of ****,girls of every shape and size are raped and murdered every single day.Its got absolutly nothing to do with her size,it could have been anyone who got into the same situation as Ashleigh.Unfortunatly she fell for that arseholes sick game and thats all there is to it.That prick was out to get anything he could,he diddn`t think Ashleigh would be any easier a target just because she was overweight.

[cupid stunt]

life is a bit more complicated than the blurred black and white micro-world that you seem to inhabit.

is it ****, i bet youd even defend robert mugabe 4 ****s sake

[Crimson Dynamo]

is it ****, i bet youd even defend robert mugabe 4 ****s sake

Is he your dealer?

[cupid stunt]

Is he your dealer?

lol joker:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

That is a load of ****,girls of every shape and size are raped and murdered every single day.Its got absolutly nothing to do with her size,it could have been anyone who got into the same situation as Ashleigh.Unfortunatly she fell for that arseholes sick game and thats all there is to it.That prick was out to get anything he could,he diddn`t think Ashleigh would be any easier a target just because she was overweight.

"Mr Reeds said the teenager suffered from low-esteem and often boys were not interested in her. 'According to her friend, Ashleigh was interested in boys but they, generally, were not interested in her,' Mr Reeds said.
'She is thought to have had low self-esteem and friends thought if a male did show her attention she would likely be flattered by it.'
Mr Reeds said that, after Chapman first made contact with Ashleigh on Facebook, they began using another social network site called Tagged.com or the online messaging service Microsoft Windows Live Messenger, known as MSN."

She sought male attention online, where she could not be seen and she was preyed upon. He lured her with attention, attention that she was starved of because she was fat. She took risks because she had to because she was fat. She put herself in danger for attention, she had to because she was fat.

if she was not fat and was happy with how she looked do you seriously think this would have happened to her?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256307/Convicted-sex-attacker-Peter-Chapman-admits-murder-teenager-Ashleigh-Hall.html#ixzz0hbSPuXvj

[Wildcat!]

indeed but will get male attention. this girl has low self esteem and no male attention etc..

the dice were loaded. she was like the baby antelope being attacked by the jackal whilst the other antelopes could run away.


The problem with your thread is, its title and everything AROUND your comments, seem to emphasize that the main reason why this happened, is because somehow, this girls parents, didnt make sure she wasnt fat. And thats why she got murdered. Thats a bit sick if you ask me!

Yeah he probably thought someone overweight might be easier to manipulate, but if it wasnt her, it couldve been anyone else, overweight or not. They can all fall for it!

Basically, what I am trying to say is, your priorities, really arent in the right order in this case.

I am pretty much really appaled that someone like him, and his background be put in a position to harm again! I think the system failed that girl, and failed him as well. BUt her being overweight, should never be in the discussion. SOme people are overweight when they are teens. SOme are just overweight. Its not a crime to be so, nor should it be!

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem with your thread is, its title and everything AROUND your comments, seem to emphasize that the main reason why this happened, is because somehow, this girls parents, didnt make sure she wasnt fat. And thats why she got murdered. Thats a bit sick if you ask me!

Yeah he probably thought someone overweight might be easier to manipulate, but if it wasnt her, it couldve been anyone else, overweight or not. They can all fall for it!

Basically, what I am trying to say is, your priorities, really arent in the right order in this case.

I am pretty much really appaled that someone like him, and his background be put in a position to harm again! I think the system failed that girl, and failed him as well. BUt her being overweight, should never be in the discussion. SOme people are overweight when they are teens. SOme are just overweight. Its not a crime to be so, nor should it be!

yes and I made that point in the first post.

Whilst the thread deals with a horrific murder the topic is more about fat teenage girls and why it is very important that parents and schools should do everything that is humanly possible to avoid obesity at this crucial time in a childs development.

This case highlights an extreme but it also highlights the misery of being a fat teenage girl.

[MeMyselfAndI]

that man obviously has issues that no one likes him and he has no friends

[Enid]

We will never know, LT. It was just unfortunate that the person she was interested in turned out to be a rapist and killer. It could have happened to anyone. I'm sure she was not the only girl he was trying to lure on Facebook.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We will never know, LT. It was just unfortunate that the person she was interested in turned out to be a rapist and killer. It could have happened to anyone. I'm sure she was not the only girl he was trying to lure on Facebook.

Undoubtedly but it is interesting that it was her. I cant recall the last time a case of this nature did not involve an overweight girl..

[Wildcat!]

yes and I made that point in the first post.

Whilst the thread deals with a horrific murder the topic is more about fat teenage girls and why it is very important that parents and schools should do everything that is humanly possible to avoid obesity at this crucial time in a childs development.

This case highlights an extreme but it also highlights the misery of being a fat teenage girl.


Fair point, but to me its just not that big of an issue in this case!
Look at the perpetrators background! Its like has had about 5 cases of rape, which he eother went to jail for, or were dismissed somehow!

Its like people are telling him go ahead, do it again, you can always get way with it! Unbelievable! HOw he wasnt put away for ever, or at least mentally commited is beyond me! HE even had to give himself up and confess, in order to be taken seriously! Otherwise, he would still be out there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fair point, but to me its just not that big of an issue in this case!
Look at the perpetrators background! Its like has had about 5 cases of rape, which he eother went to jail for, or were dismissed somehow!

Its like people are telling him go ahead, do it again, you can always get way with it! Unbelievable! HOw he wasnt put away for ever, or at least mentally commited is beyond me!

it is a mystery also to me

[Wildcat!]

Undoubtedly but it is interesting that it was her. I cant recall the last time a case of this nature did not involve an overweight girl..


Read this!

http://www.dangersofinternetdating.com/articles/cybercrime.htm

[CaraRawr]

what a sick man. that's disgusting.

[supernoodles!]

"Mr Reeds said the teenager suffered from low-esteem and often boys were not interested in her. 'According to her friend, Ashleigh was interested in boys but they, generally, were not interested in her,' Mr Reeds said.
'She is thought to have had low self-esteem and friends thought if a male did show her attention she would likely be flattered by it.'
Mr Reeds said that, after Chapman first made contact with Ashleigh on Facebook, they began using another social network site called Tagged.com or the online messaging service Microsoft Windows Live Messenger, known as MSN."

She sought male attention online, where she could not be seen and she was preyed upon. He lured her with attention, attention that she was starved of because she was fat. She took risks because she had to because she was fat. She put herself in danger for attention, she had to because she was fat.

if she was not fat and was happy with how she looked do you seriously think this would have happened to her?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256307/Convicted-sex-attacker-Peter-Chapman-admits-murder-teenager-Ashleigh-Hall.html#ixzz0hbSPuXvj


I do yes!It is a possiblity!Just because your a skinny girl doesn`t mean you automatically get attention from the opposite sex,feel confident and have confidence.There will be many girls out there like Ashleigh who would have found satisfaction from the attention this sicko gave her and won`t be du to their size.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do yes!It is a possiblity!Just because your a skinny girl doesn`t mean you automatically get attention from the opposite sex,feel confident and have confidence.There will be many girls out there like Ashleigh who would have found satisfaction from the attention this sicko gave her and won`t be du to their size.


Well this is the debate. I would disagree and suggest that her weight played a crucial role here.

[Niamh.]

Well this is the debate. I would disagree and suggest that her weight played a crucial role here.

Whether it did or it didn't is irrelevant, I mean there are plenty of girls who get raped because they're very attractive, should they make themselves unattractive in case they get raped because of it?

[Wildcat!]

Point being OP, and I know somehow, youre not getting this! But I will still state it for you:

There is no co relation between being an overweight teenager, and being raped by an internet pervert! Period.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whether it did or it didn't is irrelevant, I mean there are plenty of girls who get raped because they're very attractive, should they make themselves unattractive in case they get raped because of it?

You are missing 2 crucial distinctions.

1. the age of the victim

2. the method by which the perp gained access and trust of victim

This is not just a random attack rape, that is what you seem to be alluding to.

The lawyer made the case regarding her low-self esteem/weight for a good reason.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Point being OP, and I know somehow, youre not getting this! But I will still state it for you:

There is no co relation between being an overweight teenager, and being raped by an internet pervert! Period.

I understand you state this but how do you come to this conclusion?

[Wildcat!]

I understand you state this but how do you come to this conclusion?


BEcause its one case. I posted to you cases that have nothing to do with weight, and there are hundreds of them! I haave never seen another case where weight had anything to do with it?

[InOne]

No

he preyed on her anxiety and her need for male attention, causued by her weight.

In most of these online assault cases the girls are fat.

Wrong quote lol

[InOne]

This is ridiculous. The man is clearly not all there. I mean look at him...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/08/article-1256307-08A0F0F5000005DC-92_306x423.jpg

The fact she was overweight had nothing to do with it. He was just praying on a vulnerable young girl.

I'm not sure it matters too much what he looks like. When people expect killers to look odd, it leaves them more vunerable for the charming ones that will easily influence them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BEcause its one case. I posted to you cases that have nothing to do with weight, and there are hundreds of them! I haave never seen another case where weight had anything to do with it?

None of the cases you gave had any indication about weight?

[cupid stunt]

who CARES IF SHE WOZ FAT? IT DUNT GIVE THAT 4 EYED CREEP A RIGHT 2 KILL HER! SO STOP CHATTIN ESS

[LewisMarvel]

The name of this post sickens me how can you say she was killed because of her weight?

[Niamh.]

You are missing 2 crucial distinctions.

1. the age of the victim

2. the method by which the perp gained access and trust of victim

This is not just a random attack rape, that is what you seem to be alluding to.

The lawyer made the case regarding her low-self esteem/weight for a good reason.

People can become easy targets for a number of reasons LT, because they're over weight, because they're young, because they're too trusting or naive, because they're not very good looking etc. that still does not make them to blame or at fault in any way, shape or form

[*mazedsalv**]

If people are happy with their weight then so be it.
But seeing as this girl obviously wasnt, I do feel that she or her family could have helped stop, put her on a diet or something.

But sometimes, if your parents are obese then there is not much you can do, people are born big and grow up obese.

[MrGaryy]

Parents of fat teens absolutely have a responsibility to help them loose weight. THey clearly have no idea what they;re putting their kids through.

[*mazedsalv**]

Parents of fat teens absolutely have a responsibility to help them loose weight. THey clearly have no idea what they;re putting their kids through.

Yep, and they will (mostly all) suffer low self esteem especially when they go to secondary school and most importantly college. You kind of need high self esteem in college generally, so they could suffer especially with the "slimer girls" who may take the mick out of them.

[Niamh.]

Yep, and they will (mostly all) suffer low self esteem especially when they go to secondary school and most importantly college. You kind of need high self esteem in college generally, so they could suffer especially with the "slimer girls" who may take the mick out of them.

I agree but it doesn't mean it's their own fault if they get raped or murdered!

[cupid stunt]

I agree but it doesn't mean it's their own fault if they get raped or murdered!

too right luv

[*mazedsalv**]

I agree but it doesn't mean it's their own fault if they get raped or murdered!

Oh yeah I know. I was just referring to the self esteem point.