Girl suicide after hospital release.

[andyman]

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Student Victoria Nye jumped to her death from a tower block just hours after her distraught father begged staff not to release her from a psychiatric ward because he feared she was suicidal.

TV producer Graham Nye, 55, was so worried about Victoria, 22, that he even predicted to staff on the unit that she would throw herself from the balcony of her 13th floor flat if they let her go.

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[M X]

Oh my god,that's awful. They shouldn't have let her go.

[Stacey.]

aw :sad: thats terrible!

[InOne]

Damn :(, thing is though, people can act very very well, you would not even know they were suicidal or anything

[Callum]

Sad. :sad:

[andyman]

Damn :(, thing is though, people can act very very well, you would not even know they were suicidal or anythingThe saying don't judge a book by its cover seems very true..

[InOne]

The saying don't judge a book by its cover seems very true..

Pretty much. People are able to on a front very well. And if their sole purpose to die, they will often manipulate mental health workers very easily, that is the thing about them, so trusting...

[Patrick]

:( She was such a fit girl aswell.

What a waste :bawling:

Poor thing, feel bad for the dad too.
I would be so ****ing angry with the hospital if I were her family.

[Enid]

:( She was such a fit girl aswell.

What a waste :bawling:

Poor thing, feel bad for the dad too.
I would be so ****ing angry with the hospital if I were her family.
You 'alf talk a load of bollocks.

[WOMBAI]

:( She was such a fit girl aswell.

What a waste :bawling:

Poor thing, feel bad for the dad too.
I would be so ****ing angry with the hospital if I were her family.

I knew you would comment on her looks - as if what she looks like affects the value of her life - so superficial! I really hope your views change with age!

[Lewis.]

Oh my god.. that's terrible. Such a pretty thing aswell

[Patrick]

I knew you would comment on her looks - as if what she looks like affects the value of her life - so superficial! I really hope your views change with age!

WTF You Tool, I also said how I felt sorry for the family and that.

So wtf, I was complementing her too.

[Patrick]

You 'alf talk a load of bollocks.

So do you x

[WOMBAI]

WTF You Tool, I also said how I felt sorry for the family and that.

So wtf, I was complementing her too.

I'm not the tool here!

[Enid]

WTF You Tool, I also said how I felt sorry for the family and that.

So wtf, I was complementing her too.
Yet the first thing you had to comment on was how "fit" she was. Is that all you care about? Is that you're only interest in life? Fit girls?

[andyman]

Pretty much. People are able to on a front very well. And if their sole purpose to die, they will often manipulate mental health workers very easily, that is the thing about them, so trusting...And those that want to kill can slip through the net, which has happend many times.

[InOne]

And those that want to kill can slip through the net, which has happend many times.

Did you watch that doc 'Why did you kill my dad?' recently?

[Patrick]

Yet the first thing you had to comment on was how "fit" she was. Is that all you care about? Is that you're only interest in life? Fit girls?

This is typical, just ignore the rest and point out somthing you can ****ing cry about.

Get over it, would it make you happier if I re arranged my message and put the Fit part to the end of middle?

Cause it really matters apperantly.

[andyman]

Did you watch that doc 'Why did you kill my dad?' recently?No, what was it about?

[InOne]

No, what was it about?

About a guys father who was killed by a mental health patient who was supposed to be in better care. Focuses on other cases as well, it's sort of an attack on the services, but also anyone who watched it would be more paranoid about anyone with mental health problems really. The doc maker seemed quite bitter. It might still be on BBCi player.

[Enid]

This is typical, just ignore the rest and point out somthing you can ****ing cry about.

Get over it, would it make you happier if I re arranged my message and put the Fit part to the end of middle?

Cause it really matters apperantly.
I read your post from beginning to end.

99% of your posts consist of swearing or commenting on how fit a girl is. Nobody takes you seriously, Patrick - or at least SHOULD. You're just a horny kid with a chip on his shoulder.

[andyman]

About a guys father who was killed by a mental health patient who was supposed to be in better care. Focuses on other cases as well, it's sort of an attack on the services, but also anyone who watched it would be more paranoid about anyone with mental health problems really. The doc maker seemed quite bitter. It might still be on BBCi player.I've seen programs like that, most show both sides plus try and open peoples minds about mental health.. Aint black and white like the papers lust for.. "Crazed knife attack!" ..


Off topic.. Just been sent a random txt.. Can't be true without a valid source.

John Venables new name is David Calvert, he lives in Fleetwood and rapped a 19-year-old female in Warrington.
He spent time at Barton child unit so knew the area.
...

[Patrick]

I read your post from beginning to end.

99% of your posts consist of swearing or commenting on how fit a girl is. Nobody takes you seriously, Patrick - or at least SHOULD. You're just a horny kid with a chip on his shoulder.

What and you read all my posts then do you? :joker:

How the hell do my posts consist of swearing or talking about girls?
I Hardly ever do that so your talking BS.

And like I give a flying **** what people on here, or in general think of me.
I dont care anymore.

[InOne]

I've seen programs like that, most show both sides plus try and open peoples minds about mental health.. Aint black and white like the papers lust for.. "Crazed knife attack!" ..


Off topic.. Just been sent a random txt.. Can't be true without a valid source.

John Venables new name is David Calvert, he lives in Fleetwood and rapped a 19-year-old female in Warrington.
He spent time at Barton child unit so knew the area.
...

Yeah I know what you mean, seen a few like that. This one just seemed to have a bit of a less balance, as it was so personal kinda thing. Most don't try to play on your heart strings.

And about the text, hmmmmmm :S

[Enid]

What and you read all my posts then do you? :joker:

How the hell do my posts consist of swearing or talking about girls?
I Hardly ever do that so your talking BS.

And like I give a flying **** what people on here, or in general think of me.
I dont care anymore.
Sweet, sweet irony.

I just feel embarrassed for ya. Sorry.

[andyman]

Yeah I know what you mean, seen a few like that. This one just seemed to have a bit of a less balance, as it was so personal kinda thing. Most don't try to play on your heart strings.

And about the text, hmmmmmm :SThe system can't help everyone, clearly Victoria wanted to die and showed signs of being sane.. Like a mask.

[Patrick]

Sweet, sweet irony.

I just feel embarrassed for ya. Sorry.

I dont need you feeling embarressed for me, just ****.

[InOne]

The system can't help everyone, clearly Victoria wanted to die and showed signs of being sane.. Like a mask.

Yep, my favourite term 'The Mask Of Sanity' It's a shame when it happens but it does.

[andyman]

Yep, my favourite term 'The Mask Of Sanity' It's a shame when it happens but it does.Sane and insane go together, it's our human nature, it's our nature to think, to use our minds..
What gives me the creeps are them 1950s mental health hospitals.. Electric shock treatment. :shocked:

[InOne]

Sane and insane go together, it's our human nature, it's our nature to think, to use our minds..
What gives me the creeps are them 1950s mental health hospitals.. Electric shock treatment. :shocked:

They still have a form of that I think, for acute depression. That might just be in the states though. And yeah, if you look at all the personality disorders, everyone has one to some degree or the other. Even stuff like bipolar, it all overlaps. We know alot about mental health but realistically we've only scratched the surface.

[andyman]

They still have a form of that I think, for acute depression. That might just be in the states though. And yeah, if you look at all the personality disorders, everyone has one to some degree or the other. Even stuff like bipolar, it all overlaps. We know alot about mental health but realistically we've only scratched the surface.Many years of research has helped but still a taboo subject that brings up tabloid images, I think America is more open.. Maybe due to drug companies.

[InOne]

Many years of research has helped but still a taboo subject that brings up tabloid images, I think America is more open.. Maybe due to drug companies.

Indeed, although Americans give diagnosises out like they're candy which is not good.

[andyman]

Indeed, although Americans give diagnosises out like they're candy which is not good.That is true, there was one drug that cause mood swings and death.. Forgot the name but it had bad press back in the 90s.

[InOne]

That is true, there was one drug that cause mood swings and death.. Forgot the name but it had bad press back in the 90s.

Hmmm not sure, but there have been a few bad ones and still are. I mean some anti-depressants can trigger mania.

[andyman]

Hmmm not sure, but there have been a few bad ones and still are. I mean some anti-depressants can trigger mania.Pills aint the answer for the long term, that will sound crazy to many but I stand by that..

Stephen Fry had some problems, I think he still does but over time he has been able to deal with dark episodes.. So easy to think negative when the dark clouds show.

[InOne]

Pills aint the answer for the long term, that will sound crazy to many but I stand by that..

Stephen Fry had some problems, I think he still does but over time he has been able to deal with dark episodes.. So easy to think negative when the dark clouds show.

Yeah watched his doc, was quite good, he's on nothing at the moment. Yeah pills aren't the answer, they don't stop you thinking, so whatever thoughts and feeling are there will still be there, almost like pushing the problem aside. It's a hard one though as some don't always respond to therapy either, it takes a little will power I guess but not everyone has that.

[andyman]

Yeah watched his doc, was quite good, he's on nothing at the moment. Yeah pills aren't the answer, they don't stop you thinking, so whatever thoughts and feeling are there will still be there, almost like pushing the problem aside. It's a hard one though as some don't always respond to therapy either, it takes a little will power I guess but not everyone has that.Lifestyle change can bring fresh air to the mind, but a mind under any dark episode would feel that is too far, not within reach.. Of course people like Victoria are far from help when they us their brains to fool others.. Like a serial killer.

[bbfan1991]

How awful, poor girl:(:bawling:.

[InOne]

Lifestyle change can bring fresh air to the mind, but a mind under any dark episode would feel that is too far, not within reach.. Of course people like Victoria are far from help when they us their brains to fool others.. Like a serial killer.

Yep indeed, like you can be going great for years and then slip up one time and your whole life can fall apart. Plus if you get put under a section 3 you're not allowed to live in some countries.

[andyman]

How awful, poor girl:(:bawling:.I can't feel sorry for her, she wanted this and even went so far to fool the doctors.. Still sad but her father was the only one who knew the truth..

[andyman]

Yep indeed, like you can be going great for years and then slip up one time and your whole life can fall apart. Plus if you get put under a section 3 you're not allowed to live in some countries.:shocked: section 3 bad then?

[InOne]

:shocked: section 3 bad then?

Like a section 2 is for treatment but a section 3 is when they know what is wrong with you, and you're a definate danger to yourself or the public.

[andyman]

Nobody should be out if section 3 is that bad.. Not saying everybody is a risk under section 3 because that could be a lazy blanket to cover many problems..

[InOne]

Nobody should be out if section 3 is that bad.. Not saying everybody is a risk under section 3 because that could be a lazy blanket to cover many problems..

Depends I guess, their history, how many times they've been sectioned before. Like if they didn't know they were ill and it was a first time thing, I think they should be let out. But people will a long mental health history record probably should be looked at more closely.

[InOne]

Also section 3 is for at least 6 months

[mummymaz]

Damn :(, thing is though, people can act very very well, you would not even know they were suicidal or anything

so true, my best friend died on 15th feb this year - he killed himself. I had been talking to him just a few hours before and i didnt pick up on the signs, i'll never forgive myself for not being able to talk him around, or see that things were so bad. Horrible thing about sucicide is the heartache it leaves behind.

[InOne]

so true, my best friend died on 15th feb this year - he killed himself. I had been talking to him just a few hours before and i didnt pick up on the signs, i'll never forgive myself for not being able to talk him around, or see that things were so bad. Horrible thing about sucicide is the heartache it leaves behind.

Awww yeah. That is the thing, people often see it as a very selfish thing to do, but once you get past the point of no return it's hard to come back. If you didn't know it's not your fault, there would have been nothing you could have done.

[Vicky.]

Off topic.. Just been sent a random txt.. Can't be true without a valid source.

John Venables new name is David Calvert, he lives in Fleetwood and rapped a 19-year-old female in Warrington.
He spent time at Barton child unit so knew the area.
...

I got that too.

Except mine ends in

'Some prison warden doesn't think it should be kept quiet either! Pass it on to as many people as you can'

[NettoSuperstar!]

Pretty much. People are able to on a front very well. And if their sole purpose to die, they will often manipulate mental health workers very easily, that is the thing about them, so trusting...

So trusting...balls! Its got **** all to do with trust, if someones telling you they want to leave and theyre not going to hurt themselves without sufficient evidence to prove they are in immediate danger there is **** all you can do, thats the system, if someone wants to kill themselves that badly, they will, end of

[Niamh.]

So trusting...balls! Its got **** all to do with trust, if someones telling you they want to leave and theyre not going to hurt themselves without sufficient evidence to prove they are in immediate danger there is **** all you can do, thats the system, if someone wants to kill themselves that badly, they will, end of

Yeah, I agree, there's only so much people can do.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeah, I agree, there's only so much people can do.

Exactly it happens all the time, you do everything you can to help but if they dont want the help then theres nothing anyone can do and you cant keep people locked up forever

[Niamh.]

Exactly it happens all the time, you do everything you can to help but if they dont want the help then theres nothing anyone can do and you cant keep people locked up forever

Exactely, What kind of life is that anyway being locked away and probably full of drugs

[NettoSuperstar!]

Exactely, What kind of life is that anyway being locked away and probably full of drugs

Well actually some of the new wards are fab, wouldnt mind a stay on them meself, a few benzo's and veg out would do me good LoL (I joke) fact is there are some deeply troubled people in the world and some you can help and some you cant

[Niamh.]

Well actually some of the new wards are fab, wouldnt mind a stay on them meself, a few benzo's and veg out would do me good LoL (I joke) fact is there are some deeply troubled people in the world and some you can help and some you cant

:joker:

and yeah, people have to want to change, you can't force somebody

[InOne]

So trusting...balls! Its got **** all to do with trust, if someones telling you they want to leave and theyre not going to hurt themselves without sufficient evidence to prove they are in immediate danger there is **** all you can do, thats the system, if someone wants to kill themselves that badly, they will, end of

Of course it's to do with trust, or they would not let them leave in the first place...

[Niamh.]

Of course it's to do with trust, or they would not let them leave in the first place...

But they're not psychic Joe

[NettoSuperstar!]

Of course it's to do with trust, or they would not let them leave in the first place...

Its not trust at all, its whether they can prove they are going to do something or not...you need proof to keep people locked up, time and time again people are let out and everyone knows they could be dead by tomorow, its just a fact you get used to...now had that girl been begging to stay and they let her out that would be a different story, that sadly happens too often too

[InOne]

Its not trust at all, its whether they can prove they are going to do something or not...you need proof to keep people locked up, time and time again people are let out and everyone knows they could be dead by tomorow, its just a fact you get used to

I know, it's nobodys fault. If someone wants to die and they're at the point of no return they will attempt it.

[InOne]

But they're not psychic Joe

I know, which is why some people are excellent at wearing a mask and fooling them.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I know, it's nobodys fault. If someone wants to die and they're at the point of no return they will attempt it.

Yeh but if you think for one second mental health professionals are too trusting or somehow being fooled your very much mistaken, quite the opposite, most are abnormaly cynical lol

[InOne]

Yeh but if you think for one second mental health professionals are too trusting or somehow being fooled your very much mistaken, quite the opposite, most are abnormaly cynical lol

Yes and no, all depends on the patients and their history really.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yes and no, all depends on the patients and their history really.

look most people who have worked in mental health for a number of years know who is or isnt going to be a danger to themselves or others but getting the proof that that is the case is a different matter, thats the way the system works and if someone is telling you one thing and thinking another then theres nothing anyone can do to help them, thats the system

[InOne]

look most people who have worked in mental health for a number of years know who is or isnt going to be a danger to themselves or others but getting the proof that that is the case is a different matter, thats the way the system works and if someone is telling you one thing and thinking another then theres nothing anyone can do to help them, thats the system

Yes indeed, everyone makes mistakes, and some are better at hiding that they're ill than others.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yes indeed, everyone makes mistakes, and some are better at hiding that they're ill than others.

I can think of a few reasons why people would hide their distress, (apart from being so troubled they can only see one way out), maybe because of the stigma and maybe they misunderstand what mental illness is, its not the way we used to view it... as something you "got" and cant recover from or something that makes you different from others, apart from obvious things like hearing voices the experiences people with mental health problems have dont differ from experiences everyone else has from time to time, theyre just exagerrated and more extreme. I like to think of Sane-Insane as being on a line and all of us are on that line somewhere and most of us a times in our life probably fall in to what is considered abnormal but wouldnt even consider that we have mental health problems. Anyway point is anyone in mental distress can recover if they want to and are honest about how theyre feeling, if not theyre really only hurting themselves... and their loved ones

[InOne]

I can think of a few reasons why people would hide their distress, maybe because of the stigma and maybe they misunderstand what mental illness is, its not the way we used to view it... as something you "got" and cant recover from or something that makes you different from others, apart from obvious things like hearing voices the experiences people with mental health problems have dont differ from experiences everyone else has from time to time, theyre just exagerrated and more extreme. I like to think of Sane-Insane as being on a line and all of us are on that line somewhere and most of us a times in our life probably fall in to what is considered abnormal but wouldnt even consider that we have mental health problems. Anyway point is anyone in mental distress can recover if they want to and are honest about how theyre feeling, if not theyre really only hurting themselves... and their loved ones

Yeah I know what you mean. It's not always easy to talk about and the stigma and some of the names of the labels aren't too plesant either. That is why i'm half and half with labels really. I mean a Personality Disorder would not be a nice label to have. But with like Bipolar and Scitztophrinia, you can use those labels to get the treatment that is right for you. And say like with ADHD, you get more help at Uni and that. It all depends on the person I guess, cos some people wear their labels with a badge of honour which is not good.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeah I know what you mean. It's not always easy to talk about and the stigma and some of the names of the labels aren't too plesant either. That is why i'm half and half with labels really. I mean a Personality Disorder would not be a nice label to have. But with like Bipolar and Scitztophrinia, you can use those labels to get the treatment that is right for you. And say like with ADHD, you get more help at Uni and that. It all depends on the person I guess, cos some people wear their labels with a badge of honour which is not good.

Well people like to identify with something and sometimes that might be all they have sad as it is. I hate labels as you might have noticed, someone might be prone to certain symptoms but thats it for me, no two people are alike and very often people in distress have symptoms from all of the labels I dont see how a psychiatrist who sees you for 5 minutes a week can put anyone in a particular box, its ridiculous, a persons diagnosis could change from day to day depending on their mood and what theyre feeling and that In my experience is the truth of it. Treat symptoms not a diagnosis, thats the way its heading and so it should

[InOne]

Well people like to identify with something and sometimes that might be all they have sad as it is. I hate labels as you might have noticed, someone might be prone to certain symptoms but thats it for me, no two people are alike and very often people in distress have symptoms from all of the labels I dont see how a psychiatrist who sees you for 5 minutes a week can put anyone in a particular box, its ridiculous, a persons diagnosis could change from day to day depending on their mood and what theyre feeling and that In my experience is the truth of it. Treat symptoms not a diagnosis, thats the way its heading and so it should

Indeed, that is a good way for most things but some do need labels, like ADHD. Cos it would be awful to be on meds for years and them not being the rights ones. I guess with meds at the start it's alot of trial and error anyway. I have considered getting myself referred to Mausley lol get me sorted once and for all

[NettoSuperstar!]

Indeed, that is a good way for most things but some do need labels, like ADHD. Cos it would be awful to be on meds for years and them not being the rights ones. I guess with meds at the start it's alot of trial and error anyway. I have considered getting myself referred to Mausley lol get me sorted once and for all

listen your young, dont stress, concentrate on building your life, go to college, hell do a health and social care course and go from there, join the mental health profession!! (we walking wounded make the best people for the job), get off TIBB once in a while and do something positive:joker: you'll be fine

[InOne]

listen your young, dont stress, concentrate on building your life, go to college, hell do a health and social care course, join the mental health profession (we walking wounded make the best people for the job), get off TIBB once in a while and do something positive:joker: you'll be fine

I always do positive things ;)

[Beastie]

Poor girl and poor family.

Well the suicide rate is increasing. ANYONE at any point could commit suicide. It is just so sad. Depression is one of the biggest killers nowadays :(

[InOne]

Poor girl and poor family.

Well the suicide rate is increasing. ANYONE at any point could commit suicide. It is just so sad. Depression is one of the biggest killers nowadays :(

Aye, all these suicide pacts these teens are making over the net is a bit worrying too.