Should the death of a soldier always be lead news? [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

Tom4784

17-03-2010, 05:09 PM

No FFS
They die all the time anyway.

My god and you wonder why I keep insulting you every time you post.

On to the subject at hand, I believe that the death of a soldier should be publicised, It allows people to pay their respects and allows the soldiers that die to be remembered as heroes. These people die for us, it's the very least we can do really.

Patrick

17-03-2010, 05:11 PM

My god and you wonder why I keep insulting you every time you post.

No I dont wonder, I know your a ****ing idiot who seems to love Insulting people thats why you insult me 24/7.

They do die all the time its like..

'The death of a british soilder in Iraq.. Peter Dickons was shot dead today and- oh look another death just occured!'

Seriously its boring, they put themselfs out there of course they will die.
Its not much of a surprise.

*mazedsalv**

17-03-2010, 05:17 PM

Yes because this war is a vital part of the last few years.
Also, I dont get why a celebrity dying should be any different to any human dying. I hate it when they report a celebrity as breaking news, talk about it for 25 minutes of a 30 minute news programme with the rest of the 5 minite sbeing other storiers inlucing other people that have died (who arent famous).

Not to be harsh, MJ was a legend and everything, but during the whole fortnight after his death, there was literally no other news that was reported.

Tom4784

17-03-2010, 05:24 PM

No I dont wonder, I know your a ****ing idiot who seems to love Insulting people thats why you insult me 24/7.

They do die all the time its like..

'The death of a british soilder in Iraq.. Peter Dickons was shot dead today and- oh look another death just occured!'

Seriously its boring, they put themselfs out there of course they will die.
Its not much of a surprise.

I only love insulting ignorance so you're like a *****ing goldmine to me. It's hilarious that you brand me the idiot when you've never actually managed to shoot down any of my points ever in an argument.

You're so unbelievable ignorant and stupid it actually amazes me, First the stuff about Haiti and then this do you have no compassion? It is a war and people do die but they report it out of respect so that these people's sacrifices don't go unnoticed. It's called being a decent human being....Something you know nothing about.

Harry!

17-03-2010, 05:30 PM

If this happened prior 9/11 then there would of been outrage of a reporting of a dead soilder in war. Take for example the Vietnam War and the death toll count which was reported to the US civilans. There was a outrage of the reportings of the dead at war.

I think they should be allowed to replort deaths of people at war but only on certain conditions they shouldn't.

InOne

17-03-2010, 05:35 PM

It's not always lead, but is always reported and that.

WOMBAI

17-03-2010, 10:42 PM

ILoveTRW

17-03-2010, 10:44 PM

err no, the news would become boring

it would be the same story every day but with different names

ILoveTRW

17-03-2010, 10:48 PM

Patrick

17-03-2010, 10:52 PM

Your'e boring - as well as being a grade A idiot!

And your a ****ing bellend.

Patrick

17-03-2010, 10:54 PM

I only love insulting ignorance so you're like a *****ing goldmine to me. It's hilarious that you brand me the idiot when you've never actually managed to shoot down any of my points ever in an argument.

You're so unbelievable ignorant and stupid it actually amazes me, First the stuff about Haiti and then this do you have no compassion? It is a war and people do die but they report it out of respect so that these people's sacrifices don't go unnoticed. It's called being a decent human being....Something you know nothing about.

So if someone were to die now, right now on there way to a shop..
I ****ing doubt it would be on the news, for respect.

No death ****ing goes unoticed if you have family and friends that care about you, of course they notice.

So when we all die then we should all have our deaths heared on the news incase anyone cares?

Well I dont care about half the deaths I see on the news tbh its the same old same old now.

Beastie

17-03-2010, 10:54 PM

And your a ****ing bellend.

Gosh Patrick! Calm down. Are you allright?

WOMBAI

17-03-2010, 10:54 PM

And your a ****ing bellend.

You will never be worthy of any respect - because you have absolutely no sense whatsoever!

30stone

17-03-2010, 10:57 PM

I usually try to stick up for you patrick because some people are sometimes unnecessarily harsh to you and forget your age, but the statements and insults you have made in this thread are absolutely ridiculous, and id advise you to stop before i ban you.

Shasown

17-03-2010, 11:03 PM

the reason why they didnt report the death toll of the vietnam war was because they were trying to make americans believe that they were winner the war

In the latter stages of the Vietnam War nightly casualty figures were broadcast on most major US news programmes, it was this and the fact the anti war movement had a much better publicity campaign than the Government that helped to remove popular support for the war. Remember this was in the late 60's - flower power, peace and love to all.

Without commenting on the moral aspects of the war, the US governments position was undermined by the people and as such this lead to reversing the stategy of the war, in fact the US had the upper hand militarily and by losing populist support eventually ended up engaging in what turned out to be a fighting withdrawal.

The USSR had a similar problem with their little outinginto Afghanistan in the 80's.

WOMBAI

17-03-2010, 11:21 PM

Should the death of a UK soldier always be a lead news item?

Definitely! It is a sign of respect and appreciation for their sacrifice - not only for them but for their families as well!

Tom

18-03-2010, 10:15 AM

No FFS
They die all the time anyway.

You absolute nob.

They don't die all the time. FYI hundreds of thousands have gone out since 2003 and a handful have died.

And I think they should generally lead the news most of the time but it obviously depends on the days other events.

teamandre

18-03-2010, 10:27 AM

yes it should be there out there fighthing for stuipd reasons really but dont say anything they should at least get a bit of respect from people i mean what if they have children

Crimson Dynamo

18-03-2010, 11:43 AM

But why should it be lead news. If it is a regular occurrence during war, why is it news?

DrunkerThanMoses

18-03-2010, 11:51 AM

Not really the lead news, only if their is nothing more bigger than that. It will always be big news what ever the case.

Niamh.

18-03-2010, 11:53 AM

I would say depends what other stories happen that day

Crimson Dynamo

18-03-2010, 12:00 PM

I would say depends what other stories happen that day

If you were the Sun editor and 2 soldiers had died in a ied attack but also Girls Aloud had split. What would you lead on?

Tom4784

18-03-2010, 12:29 PM

So if someone were to die now, right now on there way to a shop..
I ****ing doubt it would be on the news, for respect.

No death ****ing goes unoticed if you have family and friends that care about you, of course they notice.

So when we all die then we should all have our deaths heared on the news incase anyone cares?

Well I dont care about half the deaths I see on the news tbh its the same old same old now.

Again you miss the point entirely....I don't know if I can be bothered any more since you're abviously too far gone to make sense of anything....

I dont agree with the war but I respect that these people are putting their lives on the line for others, when people die for their country they deserve to be known and recognised as a hero from it's citizens although sadly no one should become known as a hero like that :(

If you die on the way to the shops it's only going to be on the news if it was a murder since an accident or health problems aren't really news. If I died tommorow it wouldn't be news because I've not done anything important yet. Finally comparing going to the shops with War is stupid and only solidifies my argument that you're a repulsive little **** who doesn't know his arse from his elbow. It's disgusting how ignorant you actually are about everything.

Niamh.

18-03-2010, 12:35 PM

If you were the Sun editor and 2 soldiers had died in a ied attack but also Girls Aloud had split. What would you lead on?

Well, probably the Girls Aloud story as it's the Sun and as editor it's my job to run stories that interest my readers!

Crimson Dynamo

18-03-2010, 12:35 PM

Well, probably the Girls Aloud story as it's the Sun and as editor it's my job to run stories that interest my readers!

and there in lies the truth

bananarama

18-03-2010, 01:41 PM

yes

can you say why, bearing in mind that soldiers fight in wars and have a tendency to die?

why would that be any more news than a car accident where a nurse died?

People who die in car accidents are not fighting on behalf of our country........Out of respect for their courage we should have them on front line news..........Anything less would be a betrayal of our fighting forces......

bananarama

18-03-2010, 01:45 PM

No FFS
They die all the time anyway.

Unbelievable........

Billy

18-03-2010, 02:35 PM

I don't think it needs to be lead news all the time, only because I think we should have a more positive outlook on news.

Don't shoot me down for saying that..

Billy

18-03-2010, 02:36 PM

If you were the Sun editor and 2 soldiers had died in a ied attack but also Girls Aloud had split. What would you lead on?

Am I bad for thinking Girls Aloud :(?

midlandman

18-03-2010, 03:23 PM

No FFS
They die all the time anyway.
u know what mate u fight and die we won't talk bout it cos it not a good lead story i hope the all the people in the war read this u low life

Tom4784

18-03-2010, 03:41 PM

I don't think it needs to be lead news all the time, only because I think we should have a more positive outlook on news.

Don't shoot me down for saying that..

No that's a fair point, the only reason I'm jumping on Patrick is basically because he's saying that soldier's dying isn't a big deal. It probably shouldn't always be lead news but I think it should always be reported nonetheless.

As for The Sun question you could have both. If I remember right The Sun usually has a big showbiz story on the top half of the front page and more serious news on the bottom half.

setanta

18-03-2010, 03:52 PM

You absolute nob.

They don't die all the time. FYI hundreds of thousands have gone out since 2003 and a handful have died.

And I think they should generally lead the news most of the time but it obviously depends on the days other events.

Why not a few front pages about the thousands upon thousands of civilians who have been killed too then? Fair is fair.

WOMBAI

18-03-2010, 04:15 PM

People who die in car accidents are not fighting on behalf of our country........Out of respect for their courage we should have them on front line news..........Anything less would be a betrayal of our fighting forces......

Absolutely! :thumbs:

Shasown

18-03-2010, 04:34 PM

Why not a few front pages about the thousands upon thousands of civilians who have been killed too then? Fair is fair.

Best to ignore them mate, they dont have that many close relatives, family or friends living here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(200 1%E2%80%93present)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/10/iraq.iraqtimeline

Notice in the Guardian article it discounts the 2006 Lancet's 600,000+ and also corrects the under reporting by such groups as IBC

Tom

18-03-2010, 05:19 PM

But why should it be lead news. If it is a regular occurrence during war, why is it news?

If thats the case then they might as well axe the news and just show it when something significant happens which would generally be politics. Kids get kidnapped all the time, people are always getting murdered, the weather regularly goes from one extreme to another etc yet they're almost always leading stories on the news.

Why not a few front pages about the thousands upon thousands of civilians who have been killed too then? Fair is fair.

Because they're not British and weren't killed by putting themselves out there in an attempt to do good. That doesn't have the same effect as it does when its British people, and if it has a high impact then more will watch. ITV and Sky are ratings chasers so they need stories with public interest.

setanta

18-03-2010, 05:28 PM

Because they're not British and weren't killed by putting themselves out there in an attempt to do good. That doesn't have the same effect as it does when its British people, and if it has a high impact then more will watch. ITV and Sky are ratings chasers so they need stories with public interest.

Journalists are supposed to report the news in an objective fashion, showing both sides of the story. Feeding the public what they want to hear is obscuring the truth in a way but I suppose that's the world we live in right now. Shame.

Shasown

18-03-2010, 05:42 PM

Tom

18-03-2010, 06:03 PM

Journalists are supposed to report the news in an objective fashion, showing both sides of the story. Feeding the public what they want to hear is obscuring the truth in a way but I suppose that's the world we live in right now. Shame.

Its the only way the news on commercial channels is sustainable, but the BBC does tend to be objective, as does Channel 4 where they take quality over ratings. The latest ITV News campaign says it all, they bang on about how important the people involved in the stories are and Sky News is desperate to be like Fox which is just a televised version of The Daily Mail.

LewisMarvel

18-03-2010, 07:27 PM

No FFS
They die all the time anyway.

And that's why i hate people like you

BB_Eye

18-03-2010, 11:53 PM

If thats the case then they might as well axe the news and just show it when something significant happens which would generally be politics. Kids get kidnapped all the time, people are always getting murdered, the weather regularly goes from one extreme to another etc yet they're almost always leading stories on the news.

Is this actually true? I doubt it.

Claymores

19-03-2010, 12:55 AM

But why should it be lead news. If it is a regular occurrence during war, why is it news?

UK Government never admit we are at war...........otherwise have to declare war on a country under international laws..........it is a 'military action' to protect the local population..........the Americans invented this idea in Vietnam and has been used to circumvent international/UN laws ever since. Deaths are bread and butter because of Sky News/BBC 24/CNN.............they've too many corespondents who would be idle if another british soldier doesn't get shot. The unfortunate truth

Claymores

19-03-2010, 01:00 AM

Sky News/BBC 24/CNN - not to mention Sky 1's Ross Kemp and camera team bugging the soldiers' tits off every time they go out!!!!!!!!

_Seth

19-03-2010, 08:17 AM

No FFS
They die all the time anyway.

This.

But I don't wanna be disrespectful.

teamandre

19-03-2010, 09:09 AM

they are fighthing for there countery and fags come on here and dissrespect them well they deserve to be shot they fighting for you so have some *******king respect you w***ers

Claymores

19-03-2010, 09:12 AM

Putting up named soldiers from MOD press releases is easier to report than elderly dying alone in their homes/youngsters dying of overdoses/homeless dying on the streets.........you are what you read/view with the media

teamandre

19-03-2010, 09:16 AM

no i just respect the soliders that have died for us so have some ******ing respect you wouldnt like it if some one in your familie was a solider and got killed would you no so have some respect man

Claymores

19-03-2010, 09:25 AM

no i just respect the soliders that have died for us so have some ******ing respect you wouldnt like it if some one in your familie was a solider and got killed would you no so have some respect man

That was not the original question and nobody would disagree with your thought of respect. I believe the point of the question is whether 2 killed in Afghanistan doing their chosen profession should merit a headline rather than 23 died from neglect/inadequate NHS funding last night

teamandre

19-03-2010, 09:33 AM

okay i get your point there both in the same lege i gess but thats the gorvements falt about the NHS funding these men have died out of respect taking a risk on there on their life and dieing trying to make this world a better place and when people die from neglect then it would be on the news to so and i was going to join the army/RAF so thats why im so ******ed of with people on here disrecpecting but i carnt join becuse of my car acdident so knowing that i could have gone out there fighting for people out there and their not bothered and being disrespectful pissses me of !

Claymores

19-03-2010, 10:24 AM

Please be assured that almost everyone respects the guys and gals putting their life on the line and some losing them. I still think the original question is whether there are more serious problems back here in UK for a daily head-count as the headline. It is easy 'news' for the media if Jordan hasn't married another mug that day.

I guess when the media stop putting the latest deaths from Arghanistan on TV it becomes a forgotten 'war' which we got involved in for no reason other than Tony Blair suking up George Bush's ass

teamandre

19-03-2010, 11:14 AM

ok there might be more sirous storys but arnt they pu ton as well os its equal news really

Claymores

19-03-2010, 04:23 PM

In the Hague for War Crimes/Crimes Against Humanity contrary to international law and the UN Conventions?

He clearly led his country to attack another which was posing no offensive threat and caused countless deaths on both sides for no valid reason. He also did this in the knowledge that Iraq posed no offensive threat to the UK, and purveyed the obvious lies fed to him by another warmongering nation simply because we are defensive allies.