Boycott British products! Argentina orders over Falklands Fight [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

arista

17-03-2010, 05:50 PM

Update 29/2/12 Title Changed due to New Battle

Argentina threatens to ban firms
operating in the Falklands as Royal Navy sends attack submarine

And look at the Dirty Yank
getting it on with the Argie Leader.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/11/article-1257096-0886B412000005DC-611_468x286.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/11/article-1257150-0874396D000005DC-420_468x342.jpg
And as for you buggers - You only want it now we found the Oil.
It is British and the People remain British on Our Islands.

Of Course in The Falklands War
it was not helped by the Bastard French selling the Argies loads
of Hit Tech missiles cheap.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/17/article-1258531-08C0053C000005DC-948_468x447.jpg
Ocean Guardian: The rig was towed from Scotland
to the South Atlantic to drill for oil near the Falkland Islands

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258531/Falkland-Islands-oil-row-Navy-attack-submarine-HMS-Sceptre-dispatched.html#ixzz0iSPwr9kr

Argentina is Bankrupt so they may go to War
And Not Win yet again.
Fact.

Shaun

17-03-2010, 05:51 PM

lmao, they're so pathetic. I don't know why we put up with their **** to be honest - the people LIVING on the islands have said explicitly they want to remain British - it's British territory.

arista

17-03-2010, 06:32 PM

Yes they want Our Oil.

ILoveTRW

17-03-2010, 06:53 PM

Falkland War II

*rubs hands in excitement*

arista

17-03-2010, 07:06 PM

Falkland War II

*rubs hands in excitement*

If they are Stupid enough to start that
it will be fast and they will be Smashed into a hole.

Shasown

17-03-2010, 07:22 PM

If they are Stupid enough to start that
it will be fast and they will be Smashed into a hole.

I dont think so Sunny Jim there isnt the manpower left in the uk to send either an army the size of the one we sent in 1982 nor is there the Navy to transport and protect them en route.

arista

17-03-2010, 08:12 PM

I dont think so Sunny Jim there isnt the manpower left in the uk to send either an army the size of the one we sent in 1982 nor is there the Navy to transport and protect them en route.

If that was True they would have taken it over by now
hon.

You Know Nothing.

Nuke Sub is there.

Take us on and you Die.

Shasown

17-03-2010, 09:00 PM

If that was True they would have taken it over by now
hon.

You Know Nothing.

Nuke Sub is there.

Take us on and you Die.

Argentina at the time of the Falklands conflict was ruled by a military junta, lead by Galtieri. the decision to invade and retake the Falkland Islands was a political decision designed to bolster national pride and take peoples mind off the economic crisis and civil unrest at home. The junta decided that Britain was unlikely to recover the islands by military intervention but assumed we would try a political negotiated settlement through the UN. Even if we decided to try to retake the islands they anticipated being able to defend them. Bit of an underestimation.

Following the occupation of a whaling station in South Georgia by Argentinian scrap metal dealers, diplomatic objections etc only served to bring the occupation of the islands by Argentinian forces forward. the british government at the time didnt listen to the warnings of both diplomats or military experts.

The US tried to mediate a solution while the british task Force was being prepared and then underway however the argentinians refuced to negotiate.

Following a conflict in which over 600 Argentinians and over 250 Brits lost their lives the Argentinian forces surrendered. This had the knock on effect of the fall of the Argentine Junta and a return to democracy, and The British Government under Margaret Thatcher being re-elected, when they probably wouldnt have been without the victory.

Whilst Argentina still lay claim to the Falklands, they are very unlikely to resort to military measures to regain them preferring instead to use diplomacy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8529605.stm

Incidentally there is a British Garrison(for want of a better word) - FIG, still down in the Falklands, which was set up to bolster the defence of the Islands and to hold off any invasion for about three or four days, the time in which UKRRF (United Kingdom Rapid Reinforcement Forces)- now called JRRF - Joint Rapid Reaction Force would take to deploy from the UK by air.

Unfortunately due to manpower cuts and other operational commitments this has in turn been reduced: removal of permament submarine patrol in the area, reduction of LLAD(Low Level Air Defence Systems) reduced manpower available for FIC duties (Falkland Infantry Company), Reduction in Air Assets - removal of the Standby Aircraft for CAP (combat air patrol) and Air Interdiction Operations

As for the Nuclear submarine in the area, it will be a nuclear powered submarine and that doesnt mean it will be carrying nuclear weapons, it isnt permanently on station down there, it used to be relieved in place now its one in one out of port. All UK submarines are issued with conventional torpedoes for anti shipping operations and they wouldnt go Nuke except as a last resort, in the defence of the UK mainland or as a retaliatory measure after the release of Chemical Radioactive Bilogical weapons against a UK (or allied) asset.

Incidentally I do know what i am talking about, unlike yourself I do not rely on press reports from newspapers with a particular point to prove etc to cloud the situation.

arista

17-03-2010, 09:41 PM

Shasown

17-03-2010, 09:52 PM

Again
if that is the case they would walk into Our Islands.

This is not about all about press reports.

"Argentina rallies regional support"
yes we all know about that.

Why do they not Invade?

Because of these:

http://www.falklands.info/history/unresolutions.html

And because they are gathering support in Latin America and other areas so that they can take the dispute back to to the UN General Council. If they get enough support they hope we will accept a UN decision to give it all to them. Without bloodshed, without loss of life, without any major cost to them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8533860.stm

If you read the article carefully you will see we are losing support and they are gaining it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7038582.ece

In effect we are drilling down there exploration wells and then capping and sealing them, Its not currently as economically viable for us to run the gas and oil out as a full industry. The Argies play the waiting game and in thier eyes the UN gives them the islands back, they get the islands the oil and gas and the ready to be tapped wells. easy innit, a little bit of rational thought instead of emotive postings eh?

arista

17-03-2010, 09:55 PM

Yes Of Course
we are alone there.
What you are saying is nothing New
hon.

They need to invade now
just before the UK Election.

Shasown

17-03-2010, 10:00 PM

Incidentally the British Government knew there was Oil and Gas fields down there in the 1970's, following the conflict in 1982 it gave us the opportunity to build up Mare harbour (in the south of East Falkland with lots and lots of oil and gas storage some of which has never been used) Funny old thing that.

arista

17-03-2010, 10:14 PM

Shasown

17-03-2010, 10:43 PM

For Sure.

Here take a read through this, it may provide shocking reading

http://www.uknda.org/tri-service_matters/c-17.html

Its an excellent bedtime read, right up there with Clancy and Grisham

Whilst its not an official document all the facts and figures are or rather were accurate at the time of writing. The bulk of the document was produced between 2003(after the Revisions to the Strategic Defence Review) and 2007 with the odd amendment where required in 2008.

Given that in 1982 the amount of money in real terms spent on defence was over double what it is now. And we didnt really have as many overseas operational commitments. Now we have Iraq and Afghanistan, less than half of the manpower following SDR etc that we had in 82.

What isnt realised is that we came very very close to losing, units were on the last stocks of ammunition, the men were physically exhausted, and it could have been us handed our arses on a plate. If a similar situation occured today there is no way we would be able to reclaim the Islands back.

Crimson Dynamo

18-03-2010, 10:07 AM

I think we should give them this vile little rock. Move everyone back to the UK and stop being all 19th century about it. ridiculous

karezza

18-03-2010, 10:19 AM

I think we should give them this vile little rock. Move everyone back to the UK and stop being all 19th century about it. ridiculous

I agree - we must defend the Falklands at all costs. The Yanks are treacherous scum.:nono:

Shasown

18-03-2010, 12:23 PM

I think we should give them this vile little rock. Move everyone back to the UK and stop being all 19th century about it. ridiculous
Obviously you have never been there, the islands are quite scenic and beautiful, somewhat like Northern Scotland.

So what you are proposing is forcibly removing the islanders back to the UK mainland, then handing the islands back over to Aregentina, after all the money we have sunk into them, not to mention the lives?

Yeah great idea.

Claymores

20-03-2010, 10:13 AM

Obviously you have never been there, the islands are quite scenic and beautiful, somewhat like Northern Scotland.

So what you are proposing is forcibly removing the islanders back to the UK mainland, then handing the islands back over to Aregentina, after all the money we have sunk into them, not to mention the lives?

Yeah great idea.

The Malvenas should obviously be part of Argentina IMHO. Just because we sent settlers out there many moons ago doesn't make it "British" any more than if Argentina had colonised the Western Isles of Scotland.and hold them as national territory.

At some point you've got to say 'end of empire' and hand back things like India or South West Africa.

The Malvenas are Argentinian - it's just that the military Junta of the time made a mistake by trying to take the Malvenas back by force to distract their population from the domestic problems. It had the reverse effect as they were outed we were stuck with Thatcher/Tory domination for many miserable years

Shas - if you fought there then fine and I respect your courage and will.............I'd still rather give it back, it's not the end of the world that the settlers' descendants have to be repatriiated. I'm pretty sure the Argentinian government would offer them full Argentinian passports and not require them to leave anyway.

You jokingly moaned about how Iraq/Afghanistan had cost you money - give the Malvenas back and you're quids-in.

I'll continue to call it the Malvenas

Claymores

20-03-2010, 10:49 AM

Argentina threatens to ban firms
operating in the Falklands as Royal Navy sends attack submarine

Anda the Royal Navy torpedoes an ageing WW2 cruiser sailing directly away from the Malvenas and ouwith the illegal "exclusion zone" anyway so The Sun can say "GOTCHA" about the illegal drownings.

Shasown

20-03-2010, 01:16 PM

The Malvenas should obviously be part of Argentina IMHO. Just because we sent settlers out there many moons ago doesn't make it "British" any more than if Argentina had colonised the Western Isles of Scotland.and hold them as national territory.

At some point you've got to say 'end of empire' and hand back things like India or South West Africa.

The Malvenas are Argentinian - it's just that the military Junta of the time made a mistake by trying to take the Malvenas back by force to distract their population from the domestic problems. It had the reverse effect as they were outed we were stuck with Thatcher/Tory domination for many miserable years

Shas - if you fought there then fine and I respect your courage and will.............I'd still rather give it back, it's not the end of the world that the settlers' descendants have to be repatriiated. I'm pretty sure the Argentinian government would offer them full Argentinian passports and not require them to leave anyway.

You jokingly moaned about how Iraq/Afghanistan had cost you money - give the Malvenas back and you're quids-in.

I'll continue to call it the Malvenas

Slight difference with the other bits of the old empire is that there are no indigenous natives wanting to break away rather the locals down there decided unanimously to remain part of the UK.

Its not about what anyone wants really, its simply a way of staking a claim on natural resources in the area. It also provides the UK with a great stopover point for when its decided the other resources in the world are running so low its time to rape Antarctica. Its planning for the future of our children and our childrens children.

You can call them what you like but if you look at it's history it was named the Falkland Islands in 1690, they werent settled till 1764 by the French and its from their name for the islands the name Malvinas is derived, - Iles Malouines.

The money I lost out on due the party in Iraq was a personal allowance that due to commitments imposed by Uncle Tony I was unable to claim. But hey ho he got his consultancy fees out of it, so alls well with the world.

Shasown

20-03-2010, 01:37 PM

Anda the Royal Navy torpedoes an ageing WW2 cruiser sailing directly away from the Malvenas and ouwith the illegal "exclusion zone" anyway so The Sun can say "GOTCHA" about the illegal drownings.

Following messages from the British Government through the Swiss on April 23rd where it was stated that the British Forces in the area would view all Argentine military assets in the area as legitimate military targets under the mandate for self defence under the UN's Charter 51, the actual heading and speed of a military vessel is immaterial in military operations, its position intent and capabilities are however critical.

Argentine Rear-Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that the Belgrano was part of, said "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano".

In 1994 the Argentine government conceded that the sinking of the Belgrano was "a legal act of war".

Admiral Enrique Molina Pico, head of the Argentine Navy in the 1990s, wrote in a letter to La Nacion, published in the 2 May 2005 edition, that the Belgrano was part of an operation that posed a real threat to the British task force, that it was holding off for tactical reasons, and that being outside of the exclusion zone was unimportant as it was a warship on tactical mission. Although this is the official position of the Argentine Navy his comments were soon heavily criticized.

Source: Wikipedia.

arista

29-02-2012, 06:08 PM

Boycott British products! Argentina orders top 20 firms to shop elsewhere as tensions continue to rise over Falklands

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108037/Boycott-British-products-Argentina-orders-20-firms-shop-tensions-continue-rise-Falklands.html#ixzz1nnNl24Px

Now She wants a Trade War.

Well Feck you
your Nations Stuff
I will not buy.

Nasty Bitch Leader
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/29/article-0-11A1B42D000005DC-934_233x423.jpg

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:13 PM

I have a simple solution for this whole problem. Allow free immigration between Argentina and the Malvinas/Faulklands. Allow Argentinian people to live there. and work there, and the demographic will change over time, and eventually Argentinians will outnumber the brits, and they will choose to become part of Argentina.

This seems like the most natural and peaceful resolution to this whole thing.

Allow immigration.

It is wrong that Argentinians are not allowed to immigrate to these islands. Segregation is not okay. The British are trying to keep the Malvinas/Faulklands RACIALLY british, and that is wrong, and racist.

The situation as it is right now is no different to South Africa, another British colonial screw up. Don't repeat the same mistake.

arista

29-02-2012, 06:17 PM

I have a simple solution for this whole problem. Allow free immigration between Argentina and the Malvinas/Faulklands. Allow Argentinian people to live there. and work there, and the demographic will change over time, and eventually Argentinians will outnumber the brits, and they will choose to become part of Argentina.

This seems like the most natural and peaceful resolution to this whole thing.

Allow immigration.

It is wrong that Argentinians are not allowed to immigrate to these islands. Segregation is not okay.

Silly You

They Invaded all of them
We Do Not Get On

Its Our Land
Our Oil

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:19 PM

Silly You

They Invaded all of them
We Do Not Get On

Its Our Land
Our Oil

who is "we"? WHITE BRITS??

Jesus.

29-02-2012, 06:19 PM

arista

29-02-2012, 06:21 PM

who is "we"? WHITE BRITS??

The People that Live on Our Islands.

They are Our Property

How would you like
Russians taking over California
Attacking you

Thats what they did

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:21 PM

I'm torn on this issue. It really isn't land that we should have anything to do with, as it's nowhere near the UK. However, the fact that the islanders wish to be British is another factor.

They should declare independence from us both. With their location and potential resources, they would probably all be instant millionaires.

The WHITE BRITS on the island don't want ARGENTINIANS on their land, which is racist. Why is there not a fair immigration system for Argentinians to immigrate to the islands if they would like??

You don't see how it's racist??

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:22 PM

The People that Live on Our Islands.

They are Our Property

How would you like
Russians taking over California
Attacking you

Thats what they did

umm, there are thousands of Russians in California, so wtf are you talking about???

Jesus.

29-02-2012, 06:22 PM

The People that Live on Our Islands.

They are Our Property

How would you like
Russians taking over California
Attacking you

Thats what they did

It would be just like that, presuming that California is a tiny close to Russia.

arista

29-02-2012, 06:22 PM

umm, there are thousands of Russians in California, so wtf are you talking about???

I am saying with Guns Invading like
the Falklands had.

Livia

29-02-2012, 06:23 PM

lmao, they're so pathetic. I don't know why we put up with their **** to be honest - the people LIVING on the islands have said explicitly they want to remain British - it's British territory.

There is nothing else to say.

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:23 PM

Um, so let me get this straight, you are saying that it would be perfectly fine for America to ban all Russians from moving to California??

WTF are you talking about??

arista

29-02-2012, 06:25 PM

Jesus.

29-02-2012, 06:25 PM

The WHITE BRITS on the island don't want ARGENTINIANS on their land, which is racist. Why is there not a fair immigration system for Argentinians to immigrate to the islands if they would like??

You don't see how it's racist??

Argentina aren't pushing for a change to the falklands immigration policy. They are pushing for control over them.

This isn't a racism issue. At all. I'm sympathetic to Argentina's claim to the land, and I would like to see it being handed back, like other former colonies of ours.

The days of Englishmen claiming things by sticking flags in it, are long gone.

michael21

29-02-2012, 06:26 PM

give then david cameron then there will go under

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:26 PM

There is nothing else to say.

oh ic, so if everyone agree's to be racist, that makes it okay?

So you'd have no Issues with California rounding up all the Mexicans and sending them back, and building a Great Wall Of the RIO GRAND then? You'd have NOTHING to say about that right?

really? you think that'd be okay??

Do you People hear yourselves???

arista

29-02-2012, 06:26 PM

Argentina aren't pushing for a change to the falklands immigration policy. They are pushing for control over them.

This isn't a racism issue. At all. I'm sympathetic to Argentina's claim to the land, and I would like to see it being handed back, like other former colonies of ours.

The days of Englishmen claiming things by sticking flags in it, are long gone.

Not worth you telling him
we get that on nearly Every Thread when he posts

SoBig

29-02-2012, 06:28 PM

Silly You

They Invaded all of them
We Do Not Get On

Its Our Land
Our Oil

Shouldn't it be the FALKLAND ISLANDERS land and oil?

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:31 PM

Not worth you telling him
we get that on nearly Every Thread when he posts

"he" has a name, But what would i expect from someone who has no respect for other people, why should i expect any respect from a person who has no respect for anything or anyone.

Livia

29-02-2012, 06:31 PM

oh ic, so if everyone agree's to be racist, that makes it okay?

So you'd have no Issues with California rounding up all the Mexicans and sending them back, and building a Great Wall Of the RIO GRAND then? You'd have NOTHING to say about that right?

really? you think that'd be okay??

Do you People hear yourselves???

How about you give Texas to the Mexicans? They had a claim on it once... It'd be racist to deny them, surely. That's what we're talking about here. It has nothing to do with people living anywhere, it's about sovereignty.

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:32 PM

How about you give Texas to the Mexicans? They had a claim on it once... It'd be racist to deny them, surely. That's what we're talking about here. It has nothing to do with people living anywhere, it's about sovereignty.

the Texans and Mexicans fought it out fair and square, Texas was an independant country before it CHOSE to join the union. America didn't buy Texas, or fight for it. Texas was it's own entity before it applied to be a state.

SoBig

29-02-2012, 06:32 PM

Jesus.

29-02-2012, 06:33 PM

oh ic, so if everyone agree's to be racist, that makes it okay?

So you'd have no Issues with California rounding up all the Mexicans and sending them back, and building a Great Wall Of the RIO GRAND then? You'd have NOTHING to say about that right?

really? you think that'd be okay??

Do you People hear yourselves???

Lets be honest, lots of your border already has a wall and fence, and your racist republican party would happily deport all Mexicans.

arista

29-02-2012, 06:34 PM

Shouldn't it be the FALKLAND ISLANDERS land and oil?

They need us to Drill it up.
They all will get a Share.

michael21

29-02-2012, 06:34 PM

"he" has a name, But what would i expect from someone who has no respect for other people, why should i expect any respect from a person who has no respect for anything or anyone.

i agree 100% with you post :thumbs:

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:34 PM

Both Texas and California were once part of Mexico, but the white Americans took it.

wrong, white SPANISH owned both california and texas at one point. It was a war between TWO equal colonizers, Spain and the US, it was nothing to do with who owned what, it was 2 colonial powers fighting over land that belonged to NEIGTHER of them, but the people who lived there fought their wars and decided who they wanted to belong to., much like the GERMANS created ENGLAND in the land of the CELTS.

SoBig

29-02-2012, 06:34 PM

Lets be honest, lots of your border already has a wall and fence, and your racist republican party would happily deport all Mexicans.
How is it racist? When a high number of Mexicans are white themselves?

arista

29-02-2012, 06:35 PM

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:35 PM

How is it racist? When a high number of Mexicans are white themselves?

EXACTLY. LAtino's are SPANISH, european WHITE. The SPANISH decendents have no more claim to the west coast than America.

Mexicans stole their land from the natives just like we did! and look into how Mexico treats it's native American populations, now THAT will be an eye opener for you.

If you have any bit of sympathy for Native Americans in USA and Canada, check out how the Native cultures are tr3ated in LATIN America, and then you'll se what REAL Opression looks like, and it's still going on to this day.

Jesus.

29-02-2012, 06:37 PM

How is it racist? When a high number of Mexicans are white themselves?

I was calling the republican party racist, which if you look at things like the Arizona papers please law, and other such anti immigrant bills introduced since 2010, you can't disagree with. Coupled will all the birther stuff, is pretty much unarguable.

SoBig

29-02-2012, 06:38 PM

wrong, white SPANISH owned both california and texas at one point. It was a war between TWO equal colonizers, Spain and the US, it was nothing to do with who owned what, it was 2 colonial powers fighting over land that belonged to NEIGTHER of them, but the people who lived there fought their wars and decided who they wanted to belong to., much like the GERMANS created ENGLAND in the land of the CELTS.

Oh okay. Its been a while since I learned that history.

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:39 PM

I was calling the republican party racist, which if you look at things like the Arizona papers please law, and other such anti immigrant bills introduced since 2010, you can't disagree with. Coupled will all the birther stuff, is pretty much unarguable.

umm, but they are white, so how can a white person be racist against another white person? that was his point. which you obviously missed.

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:40 PM

Oh okay. Its been a while since I learned that history.

you don't seem very well educated when it comes to history. do you even know where the term "anglo-saxon" comes from? maybe you should catch up before you speak again.

SoBig

29-02-2012, 06:43 PM

you don't seem very well educated when it comes to history. do you even know where the term "anglo-saxon" comes from? maybe you should catch up before you speak again.
Yes, I know. Who doesn't?

Livia

29-02-2012, 06:44 PM

you don't seem very well educated when it comes to history. do you even know where the term "anglo-saxon" comes from? maybe you should catch up before you speak again.

Your posts ooze irony sometimes. If anyone shouldwant to keep their thoughts to themselves for fear of looking like a fool, it's you lostalex.

SoBig

29-02-2012, 06:44 PM

Your posts ooze irony sometimes. If anyone shouldwant to keep their thoughts to themselves for fear of looking like a fool, it's you lostalex.

lmfao

Jesus.

29-02-2012, 06:46 PM

you don't seem very well educated when it comes to history. do you even know where the term "anglo-saxon" comes from? maybe you should catch up before you speak again.

And you are a patronising little twunt. If someone wants to make a point or ask a question, then they can.

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:47 PM

Your posts ooze irony sometimes. If anyone shouldwant to keep their thoughts to themselves for fear of looking like a fool, it's you lostalex.

funny how you never have anything to say livia, just illussions of having an opinion.

SAY IT THEN.

yur not cute and aloof, yu are the one who looks like a fool for not saying anything at all, except for attacking me (which i don't bother to report to the mods, unlike yur trigger happy report finger)

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:49 PM

And you are a patronising little twunt. If someone wants to make a point or ask a question, then they can.
i never said they can't, but they also open themselves up to response, which i did. I responded intelligently with facts, OOPS, shame on me.

I'm being attacked, but no one seems to be able to dispute anything i've said.

Is this a reflection on the educational standards in the UK? That's a question, not a statement.

PROVE me wrong! respond with facts, with history, with anything that even resembles anything relevant to the topic. How is attacking ME personally relevant at all to the topic??

Yur British, if anyone should know about the history of colonialism, it should be yall! lol. wtf.

Livia

29-02-2012, 06:54 PM

funny how you never have anything to say livia, just illussions of having an opinion.

SAY IT THEN.

yur not cute and aloof, yu are the one who looks like a fool for not saying anything at all, except for attacking me (which i don't bother to report to the mods, unlike yur trigger happy report finger)

I only reported you once. And you deserved it.

If you struggle to understand what I say, that's not my problem. No one else here seems to struggle with my comments, even though they may not agree.

lostalex

29-02-2012, 06:57 PM

I only reported you once. And you deserved it.

If you struggle to understand what I say, that's not my problem. No one else here seems to struggle with my comments, even though they may not agree.

you didn't say anything at all relevant to the topic, you just attacked me. period. That's not saying something, that's just bitching.

SoBig

29-02-2012, 06:59 PM

i
Is this a reflection on the educational standards in the UK? That's a question, not a statement.
You really want to go there?

Everyone knows that the British education system trumps that pathetic excuse for an Educational system in the US. The US is a joke.

lostalex

29-02-2012, 07:00 PM

(and i did deserve it that one time, so if that's the only time you've reported me, i apologize for calling you trigger happy)

lostalex

29-02-2012, 07:02 PM

You really want to go there?

Everyone knows that the British education system trumps that pathetic excuse for an Educational system in the US. The US is a joke.

hmmm, nope sorry, American schools dominate all aspects of excellence. Medicine, Technology, Science, Physics, US Schools dominate every list every year.

Cambridge and Oxford get their necks in always, but other than those 2 the UK has no other schools worth mentioning, unlike the US which has over 50 in the top 100 every single year.

but again, it has nothing to do with the topic. We're talking about colonialism, funny how yu still can't have a real discussion about it.

arista

29-02-2012, 07:02 PM

Your posts ooze irony sometimes. If anyone shouldwant to keep their thoughts to themselves for fear of looking like a fool, it's you lostalex.

Bang On Right

Livia

29-02-2012, 07:02 PM

you didn't say anything at all relevant to the topic, you just attacked me. period. That's not saying something, that's just bitching.

You're so angry and hysterical... You accuse people of attacking you when actually, you're the one who's constantly on the attack. Try having a normal conversation with people and perhaps things'd work out better for you.

So... I'm going to put you back on ignore now, where you belong. Don't bother replying to anything I say and then you won't get all upset about something I'm supposed to have said.

Livia

29-02-2012, 07:05 PM

(and i did deserve it that one time, so if that's the only time you've reported me, i apologize for calling you trigger happy)

Apology accepted, incident over. And yes, it was just one time.

lostalex

29-02-2012, 07:05 PM

You're so angry and hysterical... You accuse people of attacking you when actually, you're the one who's constantly on the attack. Try having a normal conversation with people and perhaps things'd work out better for you.

So... I'm going to put you back on ignore now, where you belong. Don't bother replying to anything I say and then you won't get all upset about something I'm supposed to have said.

i'll respond to whoever i like in the public forum. I never addressed you directly dear, you adressed me, let's get that right.

I've still yet to hear you say anything about the actual subject, you're still obsessing about me. while flattering, it is irrelevant to the subject.

Jesus.

29-02-2012, 07:09 PM

i never said they can't, but they also open themselves up to response, which i did. I responded intelligently with facts, OOPS, shame on me.

I'm being attacked, but no one seems to be able to dispute anything i've said.

Is this a reflection on the educational standards in the UK? That's a question, not a statement.

PROVE me wrong! respond with facts, with history, with anything that even resembles anything relevant to the topic. How is attacking ME personally relevant at all to the topic??

Yur British, if anyone should know about the history of colonialism, it should be yall! lol. wtf.

As Winston Churchill said, "never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

SoBig

29-02-2012, 07:17 PM

hmmm, nope sorry, American schools dominate all aspects of excellence. Medicine, Technology, Science, Physics, US Schools dominate every list every year.

Cambridge and Oxford get their necks in always, but other than those 2 the UK has no other schools worth mentioning, unlike the US which has over 50 in the top 100 every single year.

but again, it has nothing to do with the topic. We're talking about colonialism, funny how yu still can't have a real discussion about it.

lol @ this dude trying to attack me. I've owned you on several topics before. You still hurt about that eh?

lostalex

29-02-2012, 07:21 PM

As Winston Churchill said, "never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

very wise man, nice to know that atleast SOMEONE is on my side. Thanks Mohammed H. Krishna.

lostalex

29-02-2012, 07:22 PM

lol @ this dude trying to attack me. I've owned you on several topics before. You still hurt about that eh?

aww, that's cute, he thinks i know him. lol

:conf:

If i remembered anything about you or our past conversations then i would have used it back against you. But atleast you've now explained why you're being so hostile towards me, i guess we've disagreed in the past, and you hold a grudge.

I post 1 or 2 days a week here dude, and i go for weeks at a time without posting here sometimes. I don't remember our past arguments, sorry.

It's nice to know that you remember me though. That makes me feel special. :thumbs:

SoBig

29-02-2012, 07:31 PM

aww, that's cute, he thinks i know him. lol

:conf:

If i remembered anything about you or our past conversations then i would have used it back against you. But atleast you've now explained why you're being so hostile towards me, i guess we've disagreed in the past, and you hold a grudge.

I post 1 or 2 days a week here dude, and i go for weeks at a time without posting here sometimes. I don't remember our past arguments, sorry.

It's nice to know that you remember me though. That makes me feel special.
Its hard not to remember you. You make a fool of yourself every time you post. You are like TiBB's Mascot. :cheer:

arista

01-03-2012, 06:03 AM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2012/Feb/Week4/16179884.jpg

Stop the Aid to them
thats got to happen

Marc

01-03-2012, 09:48 AM

Is it possible for somebody to explain this to me without saying anything ridiculous or racist?

(the Argentine prime minister is beautiful)

Jesus.

01-03-2012, 11:06 AM

Is it possible for somebody to explain this to me without saying anything ridiculous or racist?

(the Argentine prime minister is beautiful)

Racist. :suspect:

Livia

01-03-2012, 11:07 AM

Is it possible for somebody to explain this to me without saying anything ridiculous or racist?

(the Argentine prime minister is beautiful)

Sexist.

arista

01-03-2012, 11:10 AM

Is it possible for somebody to explain this to me without saying anything ridiculous or racist?

(the Argentine prime minister is beautiful)

So What
She wants a Trade War

Even though we help her nation

She is a Stupid Bitch.

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2012/Feb/Week4/16179884.jpg

michael21

01-03-2012, 12:14 PM

Its not worth it.

http://www.totaljobs.com/

we need to sort out the UK 1st you can help if you try

Shasown

02-03-2012, 12:58 PM

aww, that's cute, he thinks i know him. lol

:conf:

If i remembered anything about you or our past conversations then i would have used it back against you. But atleast you've now explained why you're being so hostile towards me, i guess we've disagreed in the past, and you hold a grudge.

I post 1 or 2 days a week here dude, and i go for weeks at a time without posting here sometimes. I don't remember our past arguments, sorry.

It's nice to know that you remember me though. That makes me feel special. :thumbs:

If it gives you those warm fuzzy feeling inside alex, fill your boots.

Just to give an extra feeling of warm fuzzies, I just want to say I have always thought you were very special Lostalex, windowlicking special.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 07:24 AM

mmm, the windows taste like snozzberries!

fruit_cake

03-03-2012, 11:19 AM

malvinas argentina...gibraltar español!

Livia

03-03-2012, 11:41 AM

malvinas argentina...gibraltar español!

That's not what the inhabitants say, and it's not what it says on their passports.

fruit_cake

03-03-2012, 11:46 AM

:idc:

Shasown

03-03-2012, 11:51 AM

Too much money invested down their now to turn it over lock stock and barrel to Johhny Foreigner.

Scarlett.

03-03-2012, 11:53 AM

The Falklands have NEVER been Argentinian, the island belongs to the islanders, the islanders want to live under the UK flag, and if that's what THEY want, thats what THEY get. That's how democracy works.

Livia

03-03-2012, 11:53 AM

:idc:

Serious thread.

fruit_cake

03-03-2012, 11:53 AM

they are a lot closer to Argentina than Britain, it seems a shame they can't develop a good relationship but the natives appear to be too xenophobic and visa versa.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 11:54 AM

Too much money invested down their now to turn it over lock stock and barrel to Johhny Foreigner.

that's not racist! wait...

fruit_cake

03-03-2012, 11:54 AM

Serious thread.

oh give it a rest, I don't want an argument livia

Livia

03-03-2012, 11:55 AM

they are a lot closer to Argentina than Britain, it seems a shame they can't develop a good relationship but the natives appear to be too xenophobic and visa versa.

They're three hundred miles away from Argentina. They just look close on a map of the world.

Livia

03-03-2012, 11:56 AM

oh give it a rest, I don't want an argument livia

Come on to a serious thread about the Falklands and give it Viva Malvinas, then do the IDC coffee drinking emoticon... helpful.

Shasown

03-03-2012, 11:57 AM

they are a lot closer to Argentina than Britain, it seems a shame they can't develop a good relationship but the natives appear to be too xenophobic and visa versa.

Might have something to do with the way the Argentinians treated them last time they met.

that's not racist! wait...

No I think the word you are looking for is Xenophobic, I know its a big word Alex, go ask mummy. Lets us know what you find out and I will tell you if you are on the right track.

fruit_cake

03-03-2012, 11:58 AM

They're three hundred miles away from Argentina. They just look close on a map of the world.

Three hundred miles is not geographically very significant imo, Argentina is the only country that is remotely close to them.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 11:58 AM

they are a lot closer to Argentina than Britain, it seems a shame they can't develop a good relationship but the natives appear to be too xenophobic and visa versa.

I agree, and as I said pages back, if they had a good immigration policy, then it would work itself out.

But the British seem intent on not letting any Argentinian immigrants move there, because they want to keep it RACIALLY British, and that is wrong. If there was a sensible immigration policy, where Argentinians were allowed to move to the island then this would all be worked out in 1 generation.

The problem is not sovereignty, the problem is the racist immigration policy.

If Argentinians are being blocked from immigrating to the islands, then why should Argentina allow any trade???

When Britain stops blocking Argentinian immigration to the islands, then Argentina will stop blocking trade.

Shasown

03-03-2012, 12:00 PM

i agree, and as i said pages back, if they jhad a good immigration policy, then it would work itself out.

But the British seem intent on not letting any Argentinian immigrants move there, because they want to keep it RACIALLY British, and that is wrong. If there was a sensible immigration policy, where Argentinians were allowed to move to the island then this would all be worked out in 1 generation.

The problem is not soveirgnty, the problem is the racdist immigration policy.

If Argentinians are being blocked from immigrating to the islands, then why should Argentina allow any trade???

When Britain stops blocking Argentinian immigration to the islands, then Argentina will stop blocking trade.

Funny old thing I would look up what the immigration policy is that prevents Argentinian immigrants, before gobbing off about something you obviously know very little about.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 12:00 PM

Funny old thing I would look up what the immigration policy is that prevents Argentinian immigrants, before gobbing off about something you obviously know very little about.

enlighten us all plzzz. go on...don't be vague.

fruit_cake

03-03-2012, 12:02 PM

I agree, and as I said pages back, if they had a good immigration policy, then it would work itself out.

But the British seem intent on not letting any Argentinian immigrants move there, because they want to keep it RACIALLY British, and that is wrong. If there was a sensible immigration policy, where Argentinians were allowed to move to the island then this would all be worked out in 1 generation.

The problem is not sovereignty, the problem is the racist immigration policy.

If Argentinians are being blocked from immigrating to the islands, then why should Argentina allow any trade???

When Britain stops blocking Argentinian immigration to the islands, then Argentina will stop blocking trade.

It's a shame, as far as I know Argentina actually has quite a few British roots too, there is a large welsh speaking community in Patagonia, I'm sure they'd enjoy a good ol' cuppa and a chin wag with the Falklanders.

Scarlett.

03-03-2012, 12:02 PM

i agree, and as i said pages back, if they jhad a good immigration policy, then it would work itself out.

But the British seem intent on not letting any Argentinian immigrants move there, because they want to keep it RACIALLY British, and that is wrong. If there was a sensible immigration policy, where Argentinians were allowed to move to the island then this would all be worked out in 1 generation.

The problem is not soveirgnty, the problem is the racdist immigration policy.

If Argentinians are being blocked from immigrating to the islands, then why should Argentina allow any trade???

When Britain stops blocking Argentinian immigration to the islands, then Argentina will stop blocking trade.

Around 81 islanders are of Spanish origin
Around 18 are Japanese
Around 204 are either Chiliean or other.

The island hate Argentina following their illegal occupation of the island back in the 1980s, which to this day has left many beaches and fields off limits. It's nothing to do with what us in the UK think of it all.

Roy Mars III

03-03-2012, 12:03 PM

Funny old thing I would look up what the immigration policy is that prevents Argentinian immigrants, before gobbing off about something you obviously know very little about.

lol don't you know who you are talking to, good luck with that

Shasown

03-03-2012, 12:03 PM

enlighten us all plzzz. go on...don't be vague.

Its a British Dependency(Overseas Territory), that means the Foreign Office of the United Kingdom are responsible for the immigratioon policy in line with European policies( well fancy that eh?).

Immigration is not run by the FI Government, though it does administer central government policies.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 12:05 PM

Its a British Dependency(Overseas Territory), that means the Foreign Office of the United Kingdom are responsible for the immigratioon policy in line with European policies( well fancy that eh?).

Immigration is not run by the FI Government, though it does administer central government policies.

so yur saying it's the UK government, not the local Malvinas Islander's policy that prevents it, umm, so what's yur point? You're just proving my point, which is that it's UK policy, not an ISlander's policy that is the problem...

Shasown

03-03-2012, 12:06 PM

lol don't you know who you are talking to, good luck with that

Its my good deed for the day, either offering freindly info to prevent doughnuts showing themselves to be complete and utter balloon knots..... or helping old ladies cross busy roads

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 12:07 PM

They're three hundred miles away from Argentina. They just look close on a map of the world.

8000 miles from the UK.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 12:07 PM

lol don't you know who you are talking to, good luck with that

again, yu have nothing to say, just attacking me. Try adding something to the conversation on the TOPIC, i dare you.

As interesting as i am, i am NOT the topic here.

Shasown

03-03-2012, 12:11 PM

so yur saying it's the UK government, not the local Malvinas Islander's policy that prevents it, umm, so what's yur point? You're just proving my point, which is that it's UK policy, not an ISlander's policy that is the problem...

Please make your mind up as to whether the British Government is being racist by insisting that Argentinian citizens follow the same immigration policy as any other non EU citizen.

Or is racist just the new word you intend to throw around to all and sundry in each and every of your badly thought out inflammatory posts.

Answers on a postcard to someone who gives a flyer.......

lostalex

03-03-2012, 12:16 PM

Please make your mind up as to whether the British Government is being racist by insisting that Argentinian citizens follow the same immigration policy as any other non EU citizen.

Or is racist just the new word you intend to throw around to all and sundry in each and every of your badly thought out inflammatory posts.

Answers on a postcard to someone who gives a flyer.......

Oh you don't give a "flyer" then why the hell are you wasting my time??? stop trying to be cute.

please explain how it makes sense that the EU immigration policy should apply on the other side of the world.

It's clear the UK only uses that policy to prevent Argentinians from free immigration there. There's no reason that the Malvinas should be part of the EU free movement policy. It makes much more sense for it to have a free movement policy with South America than with EUROPE.

If you don't see that well then there's no talking to you. And Argentina has every right to block trade with you. Every nation has every right to choose who it does business with, just like the US and CUBA embargo.

Scarlett.

03-03-2012, 12:23 PM

Oh you don't give a "flyer" then why the hell are you wasting my time??? stop trying to be cute.

please explain how it makes sense that the EU immigration policy should apply on the other side of the world.

It's clear the UK only uses that policy to prevent Argentinians from free immigration there. There's no reason that the Malvinas should be part of the EU free movement policy. It makes much more sense for it to have a free movement policy with South America than with EUROPE.

If you don't see that well then there's no talking to you. And Argentina has every right to block trade with you. Every nation has every right to choose who it does business with, just like the US and CUBA embargo.

I don't think anyone disputed that, Argentina can do whatever they like, as long as they don't stage another illegal occupation of the Falklands.

They follow EU law due to being an overseas territory, the EU law isn't really an "opt out" sort of thing.

fruit_cake

03-03-2012, 12:25 PM

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/59371586.jpg

I don't think having this on every border to the country is really helping the issue either :laugh:

lostalex

03-03-2012, 12:29 PM

Shasown

03-03-2012, 12:31 PM

please explain how it makes sense that the EU immigration policy should apply on the other side of the world.

It's clear the UK only uses that policy to prevent Argentinians from free immigration there. There's no reason that the Malvinas should be part of the EU free movement policy. It makes much more sense for it to have a free movement policy with South America than with EUROPE.

If you don't see that well then there's no talking to you. And Argentina has every right to block trade with you. Every nation has every right to choose who it does business with, just like the US and CUBA embargo.

Sorry where are these Malvinas you talk about?

You might think you are being awfully clever going with the Spanish name personally I think it make you look a bit foolish(intentionally mispelt).

Immigration policy for EU countries has been tucked and shaped by EU over the last few years- didnt you realise that? And yes we know the Falkland Islands is in the South Atlantic its one of those strange little anomylies that happens when we you have owned half the world.

Of course they can decide who they want to trade with, just as we can decide we dont want to trade with Argentina, we could also decide to stop giving the Aid packages we give, those arent given on a conditional agreement that they are nice to us, nor are they written in stone.

I wonder how they would feel if we just upsticks and pulled out all businesses and investments we have in Argentina, think we are currently about 6th on their list of overseas investors, should spoil thier economists year.

fruit_cake

03-03-2012, 12:42 PM

Sorry where are these Malvinas you talk about?

You might think you are being awfully clever going with the Spanish name personally I think it make you look a bit foolish(intentionally mispelt).

Immigration policy for EU countries has been tucked and shaped by EU over the last few years- didnt you realise that? And yes we know the Falkland Islands is in the South Atlantic its one of those strange little anomylies that happens when we you have owned half the world.

Of course they can decide who they want to trade with, just as we can decide we dont want to trade with Argentina, we could also decide to stop giving the Aid packages we give, those arent given on a conditional agreement that they are nice to us, nor are they written in stone.

I wonder how they would feel if we just upsticks and pulled out all businesses and investments we have in Argentina, think we are currently about 6th on their list of overseas investors, should spoil thier economists year.

as far as I'm aware, technically the 'Malvinas' is actually derived from a French name, it's not Spanish at all.

Shasown

03-03-2012, 01:38 PM

as far as I'm aware, technically the 'Malvinas' is actually derived from a French name, it's not Spanish at all.

Hate to burst your balloon Fruit cake.

The word may have been derived from a French word originally, but it was changed and is now and has been in use in Spanish speaking countries for a long long time.

Technically that makes its a Spanish word.

Interestingly enough the islands were named after the sound in 1690. By an Englishman using the name Falkland. French Settler's werent there till around 1760.

Another interesting fact this time about languages, about 28% of the English language is derived from French words, does that mean we stop calling those affected words english ones?

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 01:45 PM

Shasown

03-03-2012, 01:50 PM

This isn't even about just UK and Argentina anymore, This is about Europe thinking they are still colonial masters over all of The Americas. North America, South America, and the Caribbean, Europe should have NOTHING to say to us anymore.

The Western Hemisphere is FREE now, get OVER IT!

The Falklands is in the Southern Hemisphere.

Silly boy the Eastern/Western hemisphere thing doesnt apply to us Brits, we made the damn lines up and are ballsy enough to straddle the divide between East and West. (The Prime Meridian which divides east from west in this man made constrict is in fact the Greenwhich meridian which flows through, yes thats right Greenwich London)

Go look it up, then away to your room wee man and study a little more, you have a nasty wee habit of engaging fingers before brain.

Shasown

03-03-2012, 02:11 PM

Another interesting fact - Argentina didn't really exist in it's current state when the English first inhabited the islands, so we can't really use the fact that we were there longer, as any kind of argument.

If Argentinians were occupying an important island (in terms of potential resources) fairly close to the UK, then we'd be screaming blue murder.

Whilst there are no Argentinians occupying any important islands up here, we do have other neighbours who we allow to run thier own countries, you know like France and Germany even the Spanish.

What part of self determination are people, like the Argentinian govenrment etc failing to understand.

It wasnt too hard to understand when they wanted it for themselves while living under the various dictators and juntas they have had to bear over the last hundred years or so.

Seems like lessons may need repeating.

Livia

03-03-2012, 02:29 PM

8000 miles from the UK.

I know that. However, I don't think that simply because it's closer to Argentina they should have dibs on it. The bottom line for me is that the Islanders themselves want to remain British. If they ever change their minds, Argentina and the UK should talk.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 02:50 PM

MTVN

03-03-2012, 02:53 PM

Interesting fact, Great Britain really didn't exist in it's current ENGLISH form for thousands of years, Britain was CEltic before the Germanic Anglo's came along, so give back Britain to the Celts too plzzz.

Err.. that post was actually arguing in favour of giving Argentina the Falklands

lostalex

03-03-2012, 02:58 PM

Err.. that post was actually arguing in favour of giving Argentina the Falklands

it'sa almost 7am here, and i havn't slept, it's very unfair of you to expect me to still make sense. :nono:

MTVN

03-03-2012, 03:02 PM

:laugh: Fair enough, should go hit the hay

lostalex

03-03-2012, 03:05 PM

:laugh: Fair enough, should go hit the hay

you speak the truth.

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 03:14 PM

I know that. However, I don't think that simply because it's closer to Argentina they should have dibs on it. The bottom line for me is that the Islanders themselves want to remain British. If they ever change their minds, Argentina and the UK should talk.

What do you think a British government would say about it if the roles were reversed. Why can't the islanders remain British, but the land be Argentinian?

Nationality is a different issue altogether. It is land that our empire claimed by sticking a flag in it, it doesn't make sense in the modern world.

If I go and live in Argentina now, I would still be British, there is no law that would make them have to change their nationality. The people are British, because they come from a long line of Brits, and they've maintained a "British" way of life. Ex-pats have communities around the world on foreign soil.

I personally think that a dual ownership agreement might be beneficial to us. Brazil support Argentina (as does most of S.America), and they are about to become a powerhouse on the world stage. If we're not careful, we'll be hounded out of there in 50 years with nothing to show for it.

Strike up a trade agreement, and work together.

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 03:17 PM

Whilst there are no Argentinians occupying any important islands up here, we do have other neighbours who we allow to run thier own countries, you know like France and Germany even the Spanish.

What part of self determination are people, like the Argentinian govenrment etc failing to understand.

It wasnt too hard to understand when they wanted it for themselves while living under the various dictators and juntas they have had to bear over the last hundred years or so.

Seems like lessons may need repeating.

You have it a bit skewed. Moving people across the world to a different part of the globe, doesn't suddenly make that land British soil. Using the arguments of neighboring countries does your argument no favours either, as it's a bit nonsensical.

The Argentinians wanted self determination from their own fascist Junta, but they were still living in their own country at the time, they just wanted a change of politics.

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 03:20 PM

This isn't even about just UK and Argentina anymore, This is about Europe thinking they are still colonial masters over all of The Americas. North America, South America, and the Caribbean, Europe should have NOTHING to say to us anymore.

The Western Hemisphere is FREE now, get OVER IT!

South America is actually more free than north America. Your country is beholden to corporations, and lobbyists, in a way that the left-leaning south of the continent isn't.

Look at the way Grover Norqvist has the congress by the balls, purely on the basis of a pledge he invented when he was ****ing 12 years old.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 03:23 PM

South America is actually more free than north America. Your country is beholden to corporations, and lobbyists, in a way that the left-leaning south of the continent isn't.

Look at the way Grover Norqvist has the congress by the balls, purely on the basis of a pledge he invented when he was ****ing 12 years old.

beholden to what corperations? you mean AMERICAN corperations?? lol

Livia

03-03-2012, 03:23 PM

lostalex

03-03-2012, 03:28 PM

No more division between North America and South America, we are BOTH fed up with Europeans thinking they have any say over our hemisphere. Hillary get's it.

http://m24digital.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Cristina-Fernández-y-Hillary-Clinton.jpg

http://www.the-american-interest.com/images/issues/v3/n2/Falcoff2-LG.jpg

http://beapatriot.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/christina-kirchner-and-hillary-clinton2.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/29/1291034885819/Argentinas-president-Cris-007.jpg

http://cdn.rollcall.com/media/newspics/clinton120611.jpg

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo5/funnymanbob/CPSOIB28261108012802photo00photo.jpg

Livia

03-03-2012, 03:29 PM

You have it a bit skewed. Moving people across the world to a different part of the globe, doesn't suddenly make that land British soil. Using the arguments of neighboring countries does your argument no favours either, as it's a bit nonsensical.

The Argentinians wanted self determination from their own fascist Junta, but they were still living in their own country at the time, they just wanted a change of politics.

You mean the Argentinians who are around 90% of Spanish and Italian descent?

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 03:31 PM

beholden to what corperations? you mean AMERICAN corperations?? lol

They are still corporations, and they still get to dictate to your citizens. The Koch brothers funded tea-party prove exactly that.

Those same American corporations ship jobs over seas, and take tax breaks from over seas too. Like John Boehner handing out cheques from the tobacco lobbyists, on the house floor.

The citizens united ruling actually has ****ed your country up even more.

There are none so blind as those that choose not to see.

America is nothing like the ideal of America. You're probably less free now than at any time in your history, and not for the reasons that Glenn Beck and Shaun Klanity tell you either.

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Ring any bells?

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 03:33 PM

You mean the Argentinians who are around 90% of Spanish and Italian descent?

How far do you want to go back? We're all East African descent, so lets give the whole planet to Africa, shall we? Poor argument from you, there.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 03:34 PM

How far do you want to go back? We're all East African descent, so lets give the whole planet to Africa, shall we? Poor argument from you, there.

wow, we've actually found some common ground!!! :bow:

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 03:35 PM

wow, we've actually found some common ground!!! :bow:

I wouldn't get too excited, it won't last.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 03:35 PM

I wouldn't get too excited, it won't last.

is that a dare? i like a challenge ;)

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 03:40 PM

Edit: in reply to JHChrist reply to mine...

Yeah, it's a fine idea, although it's not the same to ask if you lived in Argentina would you still be British. The Islanders would be on their home land which would suddenly become foreign soil to them. And anyway, I'm sure if we floated the idea with the Argentinians I'm sure they wouldn't go for it. And what about Chile? Geographically the Falklands are as close to Chile as they are to Argentina, maybe they'll be asking for a bit soon.

I'm sure if the Brits bent over backwards they still wouldn't be able to please all of the people all of the time. The fairest thing in my opinion is to ask the people who live on the islands, and whose families have lived on the islands for generations. Who could argue with that?

It's foreign soil, in name only. It doesn't have to affect their lives in any great way, other than immigration from Argentina may occur.

Good point about Chile, but they haven't staked any claims on the land, and if we act adult as a country now, we may get a share of the resources continuously down the line. If we act stubborn and inflexible now, then eventually the rest of the world will kick us out anyway. British colonialism is something that should have died out a long time ago. We can't maintain lands that have nothing to do with us.

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 03:43 PM

is that a dare? i like a challenge ;)

If you can take a fact as a dare as a challenge, then knock yourself out. And I do mean, knock yourself out.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 04:08 PM

If you can take a fact as a dare as a challenge, then knock yourself out. And I do mean, knock yourself out.

yessa massa. knocking myself out! (via rum) :devil::dance:

Shasown

03-03-2012, 04:14 PM

it'sa almost 7am here, and i havn't slept, it's very unfair of you to expect me to still make sense. :nono:

Still make sense? Where did you get the idea you ever make any sense with your anti european flaming?

You have it a bit skewed. Moving people across the world to a different part of the globe, doesn't suddenly make that land British soil. Using the arguments of neighboring countries does your argument no favours either, as it's a bit nonsensical.

The Argentinians wanted self determination from their own fascist Junta, but they were still living in their own country at the time, they just wanted a change of politics.

Oh so you are now saying it was the UK governments policy to send people down to the falklands over the last couple of centuries, in order that we could claim mineral rights etc offshore down there, now that is far thinking.

As things stand the Bennies want self determination of their own land however the Argentinian government at the time(1982) didnt want to listen to thier opinions and just decided to invaded sovereign territory of another country.

Another little pointer that was ignored by the Argies since the party down there, if we allowed the Falkland Islands to become independent, an option that was offered to them, would the argies just leave them the hell alone? They refused a direct answer about that one.

Think we know exactly what the Argies belief about "Los Malvenos" really is, its a handy flag to wave when their economies in the clag and the people are turning a little nasty towards the government at the time. Its also a very handy little charity bucket to wave about when they feel they need more economic aid from the Imperial aggressors.

In my slightly cynical view they dont really want the islands back, well not least till we have cleaned up all their minefields. Till the price of oil makes it economically viable for them to open the oilwells we have already drilled and capped.

But heres the bugbear, maybe just maybe the British Government might actually chat to them and who knows maybe the stills of the FI will talk to them, when they actually grow a pair and apologise for the loss of life and other problems they have created for the FI by being all macho and invading in 1982.

SoBig

03-03-2012, 04:50 PM

LMFAO @ lostalex.

You are being such a hypocrite. The US "claim" ownership over several Islands that are geographically part of another country.

Navassa Island

Bajo Nuevo Bank

Serranilla Bank

Just to name a few.

Jamaica, Haiti etc. have been fighting for those Islands for years now, but the US won't back down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navassa_Island

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajo_Nuevo_Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serranilla_Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States

lostalex

03-03-2012, 05:29 PM

lostalex

03-03-2012, 05:40 PM

Still make sense? Where did you get the idea you ever make any sense with your anti european flaming?

Anti-European? lol. :hugesmile:

I'm not anti-European, if it were up to me you'd be speaking German in a Russian accent.

MTVN

03-03-2012, 05:43 PM

Anti-European? lol. :hugesmile:
I'm not anti-European, if it were up to me you'd be speaking German.

Why?

lostalex

03-03-2012, 05:44 PM

Why?

because i would have never involved America in the European war.

I would have focused all of our efforts in the Pacific.

I certainly wouldn't have supported any kind of Marshal plan.

I wouls have juist let Canada taker care of that. Since Canada likes to pretend that it was so important, I wonder how Canada would have handled the aftermath of ww2 without America.

arista

03-03-2012, 05:45 PM

Hey! We are ONLY talking about the UK colonialism... let's stay on topic please...

Apart from Our Falklands
all else has gone.

So its only a problem to the Argys
who want Our Oil near the Islands.

They Are Never Getting it
And America has no real say in this.

lostalex

03-03-2012, 05:46 PM

Apart from Our Falklands
all else has gone.

So its only a problem to the Ar***
who want Our Oil near the Islands.

They Are Never Getting it
And America has no real say in this.

Don't say Ar*** that's racist.

and America has a HUGE say in this, because if we decide to defend them... then you stand ZERO chance, you don't realize that??

America decides if you succeed or fail, don't forget that EVER.

Britain is incapable of doing ANYTHING without American support.

Maybe you forgot the whole SUEZ CAnAL Thing??

MTVN

03-03-2012, 05:50 PM

because i would have never involved America in the European war.

I would have focused all of our efforts in the Pacific.

And how exactly would that have been feasible when Nazi Germany declared war on the US, when you were being attacked by their Japanese allies?

Kizzy

03-03-2012, 05:51 PM

one word, belgrano.

MTVN

03-03-2012, 05:51 PM

Oh for ****s sake, why am I being dragged into this again. This thread is about the Falklands, so tired of seeing threads derailed like this

lostalex

03-03-2012, 05:54 PM

And how exactly would that have been feasible when Nazi Germany declared war on the US, when you were being attacked by their Japanese allies?

the only threat to America by Germany was trade. Germany was never a real threat to the American mainland.

Germany was never any kind of security threat to America. And America knew that Russia would CRUSH the NAxi's eventually.

the NAzi's being destroyed was never a question, the only question that mattered to America was how powerful would Russia be after the war was finished, and how confident would they be.

America didn't save western europe because we LIKE YOU, we saved you because we needed an ally to contain the Bear. You performed your role perfectly. You continue to perform that role and you won't stop anytime soon, Because we PAY YOU to do that job.

You (western europe) are an employee, don't forget that. You are being PAID to do a JOB.

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 06:18 PM

the only threat to America by Germany was trade. Germany was never a real threat to the American mainland.

Germany was never any kind of security threat to America. And America knew that Russia would CRUSH the NAxi's eventually.

the NAzi's being destroyed was never a question, the only question that mattered to America was how powerful would Russia be after the war was finished, and how confident would they be.

America didn't save western europe because we LIKE YOU, we saved you because we needed an ally to contain the Bear. You performed your role perfectly. You continue to perform that role and you won't stop anytime soon, Because we PAY YOU to do that job.

You (western europe) are an employee, don't forget that. You are being PAID to do a JOB.

That is so unbelievable spurious it's unreal. As you seem to dislike us all so much, why bother coming on to a predominantly British/Irish forum?

lostalex

03-03-2012, 06:22 PM

That is so unbelievable spurious it's unreal. As you seem to dislike us all so much, why bother coming on to a predominantly British/Irish forum?

I'm on this Big Brother Forum because i am a fan of Big Brother. OBVIOUSLY.

I'm not the one that decided it would be a good idea to have a political section on a BIG BROTHER FORUM.

I'm just enjoying it. ;)

Jesus.

03-03-2012, 06:42 PM

I'm on this Big Brother Forum because i am a fan of Big Brother. OBVIOUSLY.

I'm not the one that decided it would be a good idea to have a political section on a BIG BROTHER FORUM.

I'm just enjoying it. ;)

To prove how ignorant you are?

Shouldn't you stick to theblaze.com?

lostalex

03-03-2012, 06:48 PM

To prove how ignorant you are?

Shouldn't you stick to theblaze.com?

i've been very civil with you. We've discussed many aspects of the topic defined by the OP.

Have i attacked you Mohammed? I havn't. SO try to behave like a civilized human being, would you?

I'm really getting sick of having to correct people like this, isn't this what MODS are supposed to be doing?

Why am i doing YOUR job MOds?? wake up plzzz. (watch me get an infraction for calling them out)

Isn't the whole POINT of having Mods that they keep people on tpoic and keep a level of civililty in the forums?

I wonder how many infractions have been given out to the people that have attacked me in this thread, my guess is ZERO because i didn't report anyone. I shouldn't have to report anyone, because MODS are suppossed to be MODerating the FORUMS.