What unpopular view do you hold?

[Crimson Dynamo]

?

[Ross]

Homosexuality.

[WOMBAI]

You first! You can't ask a question like that without first volunteering your own!

[Ross]

Hey WOMBAI honey.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You first! You can't ask a question like that without first volunteering your own!

op privilege.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Homosexuality.

well if you just keep the view and not try and put any skin pencils up your tarmacked drive you should be ok

[Ross]

well if you just keep the view and not try and put any skin pencils up your tarmacked drive you should be ok

Lol. I don't let everyone know that I'm homosexual, there's the stereotypical camp gay and then there's people who just like to live their lives.

[GypsyGoth]

I think religions should be stopped and all their wealth give to poor countries.

[WOMBAI]

Lol. I don't let everyone know that I'm homosexual, there's the stereotypical camp gay and then there's people who just like to live their lives.

You seem pretty stereotypical to me! :hugesmile:

[Claymores]

White military jumbos can't do handbrake turns contrary to popular belief

[Shasown]

That in my opinion I am right, and whilst others may have valid points, I am entitled to my own beliefs, prejudices and concerns. I also believe in the law of threefold returns, if you are nice to me I will be really nice to you, but if you try to attack me by word or action, fate will pay you back the compliment threefold, abley assisted by me of course.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think religions should be stopped and all their wealth give to poor countries.

poor countries do not need money, that is the last thing they need

[WOMBAI]

That in my opinion I am right, and whilst others may have valid points, I am entitled to my own beliefs, prejudices and concerns. I also believe in the law of threefold returns, if you are nice to me I will be really nice to you, but if you try to attack me by word or action, fate will pay you back the compliment threefold, abley assisted by me of course.

Remind me not to get on the wrong side of you! :hugesmile:

[BB_Eye]

Yoko Ono is a talented artist and a lovely person

[Shaun]

I hate dogs.

[BB_Eye]

I hate dogs.

:shocked: you monster

[WOMBAI]

She gets a lot of stick - but I quite admire Heather Mills for having the courage to take on Sir Paul himself - and all his minions! Not a fan or anything - but it couldn't have been easy - with him being as popular as he is!

[Shasown]

Yoko Ono is a talented artist and a lovely person

I say, Sir, how dare you.....

[BB_Eye]

She gets a lot of stick - but I quite admire Heather Mills for having the courage to take on Sir Paul himself - and all his minions! Not a fan or anything - but it couldn't have been easy - with him being as popular as he is!

She killed a dog. :joker:
CGXQB3o_gnc

[Claymores]

9/11 was an attack on the American hegemony targetted at it's economic and military centres rather than a terrorist attack on punters who became the casualties of American hegemony

[Shasown]

She gets a lot of stick - but I quite admire Heather Mills for having the courage to take on Sir Paul himself - and all his minions! Not a fan or anything - but it couldn't have been easy - with him being as popular as he is!

I quite like her, self confident, philanthropic, and quite horney.

[Claymores]

terrorism is a justifiable response to oppression by another nation. (RA. PLO, the French Resistance, etc)

[BB_Eye]

terrorism is a justifiable response to oppression by another nation. (RA. PLO, the French Resistance, etc)

It was under South African apartheid imo. That horrible, racist regime deserved everything it got.

[WOMBAI]

She killed a dog. :joker:
CGXQB3o_gnc

I do agree with a lot of what she says! She has undoubtedly been very poorly treated by the press and the general public - mainly because she is a woman - and she had the nerve to marry and divorce the great Sir Paul! She is a very strong woman - and, for some reason, people don't seem to like that quality in women! Rather pathetic really!

[Shasown]

terrorism is a justifiable response to oppression by another nation. (RA. PLO, the French Resistance, etc)

Islamic Fundamentalism, Basque Separatism, Animal rights (SHAC)?

[Claymores]

The Malvenas should be given back to Argentina or else let them occupy the Westen Isles or Scotland

[Shasown]

The Malvenas should be given back to Argentina or else let them occupy the Westen Isles or Scotland

Is that North Uist, South Uist and benpeculiar or all the Western Isles?

But yeah why not give them Scotland its a relatively unimportant county of England. PMSL

[WOMBAI]

terrorism is a justifiable response to oppression by another nation. (RA. PLO, the French Resistance, etc)

It is never justifiable to murder innocent people! I don't care what the cause!

[Claymores]

Islamic Fundamentalism, Basque Separatism, Animal rights (SHAC)?

Fundamentalism is based upon a deep religious mantra which I cannot cope with so pass, Basques yes as based on a feeling they're not really Spanish but have a seperate identity, animal rights is just loonies who cannot engage in a political debate where their political system allows for it

[Claymores]

It is never justifiable to murder innocent people! I don't care what the cause!

Hence the opinion fits the OP's thread

[GypsyGoth]

poor countries do not need money, that is the last thing they need

But you could build schools and hospitals.

[WOMBAI]

Hence the opinion fits the OP's thread

Fair enough! It is hard not to challenge such opinions though!

[Beastie]

I do agree with a lot of what she says! She has undoubtedly been very poorly treated by the press and the general public - mainly because she is a woman - and she had the nerve to marry and divorce the great Sir Paul! She is a very strong woman - and, for some reason, people don't seem to like that quality in women! Rather pathetic really!

I think people didn't like her because she is a money grabbing *****. However she could have won 60 or 70 million in the divorce settlement but she chose to represent herself and got about 24 mil?

Suppose we don't know what happens behind closed doors. Don't have much of an opinion on Heather but she is an inspiration when she was on Dancing on Ice!

[Shasown]

Fundamentalism is based upon a deep religious mantra which I cannot cope with so pass, Basques yes as based on a feeling they're not really Spanish but have a seperate identity, animal rights is just loonies who cannot engage in a political debate where their political system allows for it

So it would be acceptable in your eyes for the Geordie Liberation Front, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Geordieland and the Geordie Peoples Freedom Fighters, not to mention the People Popular Army for a Free Geordie Homeland, to start blowing up targets in both England and Scotland?

[WOMBAI]

I think people didn't like her because she is a money grabbing *****. However she could have won 60 or 70 million in the divorce settlement but she chose to represent herself and got about 24 mil?

Suppose we don't know what happens behind closed doors. Don't have much of an opinion on Heather but she is an inspiration when she was on Dancing on Ice!


Correction - they like to think she is a money grabbing ***** - that has never been proven! Anyway - there are far worse money grabbing *****s out there who don't get persecuted the way she has been!

[zotler.]

The only thing that gives marriage any significance is that it's one thing that happens in, for the most part, all religions. Everything else about it has been changed by us to be bourgeois bull****.

[Claymores]

benpeculiar

LOL - someone I know had to work there for a bit at the radar station, and he'd cretainly be in the camp of give it to Argentina

[Princess]

I'm against abortion,but that's more a personal thing than a view I'd force on anyone. Oh and I'm terrified of dogs but I don't hate them.

[Shasown]

LOL - someone I know had to work there for a bit at the radar station, and he'd cretainly be in the camp of give it to Argentina

Yeah I know we occasionally popped up there for LLAD (Low Level Air defence - missiles) and AAAD (All Arms Air Defence - machine guns) training and practice, Interesting place, twinned with benpeculiar coz thats the way they liked it:wink:

[Claymores]

So it would be acceptable in your eyes for the Geordie Liberation Front, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Geordieland and the Geordie Peoples Freedom Fighters, not to mention the People Popular Army for a Free Geordie Homeland, to start blowing up targets in both England and Scotland?

If it ever happened and they had a strong feeling for freedom then I'd certainly take note. The SNLA had a few and connections with the IRA but went down the democratic route, hence we have the Scottish Parliament and the SNP in control of it and hopefully rid ourselves of England soon

[Claymores]

Yeah I know we occasionally popped up there for LLAD (Low Level Air defence - missiles) and AAAD (All Arms Air Defence - machine guns) training and practice, Interesting place, twinned with benpeculiar coz thats the way they liked it:wink:

The guy I know was a civilian worker doing some upgrades but said being on that island was the most miserable time of his life :hugesmile:

[Harry!]

The only way to make somebody do something is by force. This statement should be used in our government today, The government now is a bunch of wimps.

[Shasown]

If it ever happened and they had a strong feeling for freedom then I'd certainly take note. The SNLA had a few and connections with the IRA but went down the democratic route, hence we have the Scottish Parliament and the SNP in control of it and hopefully rid ourselves of England soon

You seriously think that full independance will be good for Scotland, dont forget that oil contracts wouldnt be renegotiated till they are nearing expiry, so the current financial status quo would remain, also acceptance into Europe would not be guaranteed, either for England or Scotland, and because of the balance of finances that have been made European wise over the last 20-30 years, they may decide not to accept Scotland.

Mind you England and Wales would be better off.

[Ramsay]

i ****ing hate my country
i know most irish people are really patrotic but i couldnt give a **** about ireland lol
its always cold and wet and its just ****
england is MUCH better

[ILoveTRW]

Children need hitting

[Claymores]

You seriously think that full independance will be good for Scotland, dont forget that oil contracts wouldnt be renegotiated till they are nearing expiry, so the current financial status quo would remain, also acceptance into Europe would not be guaranteed, either for England or Scotland, and because of the balance of finances that have been made European wise over the last 20-30 years, they may decide not to accept Scotland.

Mind you England and Wales would be better off.

Well I guess the Tories did blow all of the oil money on their golden years, and if you inspect the Treasury settlements, Scotland has been clawing it back slowly ever since.

I've never accepted the SNP mantra that it was Scotland's oil because the contracts were internationally negotiated between companies and the UK. Back in th 80s I would never accept that Scotland had a case for freedom and used to argue that with Alex Salmond my case (a flatmate was the SNP convenor @ Edinburgh Uni and dragged me to meetings).

Gradually I have changed my views and feel the time is right now. We have established a working Parliament and have little in common with the country of England & Wales.

[WOMBAI]

Children need hitting

Including many on here! :hugesmile:

[Stacey.]

i ****ing hate my country
i know most irish people are really patrotic but i couldnt give a **** about ireland lol
its always cold and wet and its just ****
england is MUCH better

:nono: i would switch countries with you anyday. :hugesmile:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Bleeding sheep followers, who have no thought of their own. They just agree with everything someone says untill everyoe hates their master and they turn on them. I know plenty off them, its pathetic.

[Claymores]

Including many on here! :hugesmile:

a tad harsh!

[Ramsay]

:nono: i would switch countries with you anyday. :hugesmile:

thats only cus you love jedward lol

[Vicky.]

Children need hitting

I actually agree with something you have said :shocked:

Not hitting as such, but smacking, yeah. Its ridiculous that you cant check your own child. Not hit, leave a bruise...but smacking(within reason) to give them a shock should be ok.

[Stacey.]

thats only cus you love jedward lol

lmao i know :D

[Captain.Remy]

I've got a few:

-Against organs donations.
-Death penalty.
-Against homosexual parenting rights.
-Disabled people aren't normal. I'm sorry, they're not. I'm tired of people saying they are like us.
-Smacking children when needed. A good slap doesn't kill.
-Never participated in any charity ever. The only charity I find worth it is taking care of my family and my friends. Nobody helped me when I used to be down.
-Nice, optimistic and over happy people bore me. They're uninteresting.
-Obama was elected because he is black. Period.

There we go. Now you can burn me. :hugesmile:

[WOMBAI]

I actually agree with something you have said :shocked:

Not hitting as such, but smacking, yeah. Its ridiculous that you cant check your own child. Not hit, leave a bruise...but smacking(within reason) to give them a shock should be ok.

Yes young children - who it is more difficult to explain things to and reason with - a little smack does no harm, in my opinion!

[Vicky.]

Yes young children - who it is more difficult to explain things to and reason with - a little smack does no harm, in my opinion!

Stops them growing up to be little brats.

I was smacked as a child, did me no harm

[Captain.Remy]

Oh boy, reading my post back made me realize I'm going to get in so much trouble lmao Oh well, whatever...

[Twilight]

-Disabled people aren't normal. I'm sorry, they're not. I'm tired of people saying they are like us.
-Smacking children when needed. A good slap doesn't kill.
-Nice, optimistic and over happy people bore me. They're uninteresting.
-Obama was elected because he is black. Period.



I agree with all of these tbh

[LemonJam]

Vegetarianism and that Led Zepplin are hideously overrated.

[Captain.Remy]

Vegetarianism .

I know !! Cannibalism > Vegetarianism.

[WOMBAI]

I agree with all of these tbh

Disabled people aren't freaks or aliens - they are normal people with a physical disability - it could happen to you at any time!

[Twilight]

Disabled people aren't freaks or aliens - they are normal people with a physical disability - it could happen to you at any time!

I'm not talking about physical disability, I'm talking about people that are really badly mentally Disabled.

[Shasown]

Well I guess the Tories did blow all of the oil money on their golden years, and if you inspect the Treasury settlements, Scotland has been clawing it back slowly ever since.

I've never accepted the SNP mantra that it was Scotland's oil because the contracts were internationally negotiated between companies and the UK. Back in th 80s I would never accept that Scotland had a case for freedom and used to argue that with Alex Salmond my case (a flatmate was the SNP convenor @ Edinburgh Uni and dragged me to meetings).

Gradually I have changed my views and feel the time is right now. We have established a working Parliament and have little in common with the country of England & Wales.

PMSL Isnt and wasnt just the Tories, and Scotland has benefited from it, in fact Scotland has benefited from not only the Barnett Formula but also from European Grants to a greater extent than most other parts of the UK.

[Sophii3x]

I hate dogs, urgh.. I have a huge phobia of them and they're the most discusting creatures.

[GypsyGoth]

-Against organs donations.


What if you or your sister needed an organ transplant?

[Captain.Remy]

What if you or your sister needed an organ transplant?

I was born with my body, I will die with my body. I know it sounds brutal but it's about me, my integrity. I cannot do this. I've done a lot of things in my life, some crazy stuff, but the idea of giving away a part of my body is too much for me. Mentally, I wouldn't be able to take it. I do consider that, if I had to die, it's destiny, God wants it for me, my time is up.

[Shasown]

I was born with my body, I will die with my body. I know it sounds brutal but it's about me, my integrity. I cannot do this. I've done a lot of things in my life, some crazy stuff, but the idea of giving away a part of my body is too much for me. Mentally, I wouldn't be able to take it. I do consider that, if I had to die, it's destiny, God wants it for me, my time is up.

What about blood, and blood products, plasma etc, are you against the giving and receiving of them too?

[Captain.Remy]

Another view:

The 9/11 terrorist attacks are bollocks. We know the US did it to themselves.

[Sophii3x]

Oh forgot that I think smokers are some of the most selfish people going.. especially women who smoke when pregnant and those who smoke in front of children.

[GypsyGoth]

I was born with my body, I will die with my body. I know it sounds brutal but it's about me, my integrity. I cannot do this. I've done a lot of things in my life, some crazy stuff, but the idea of giving away a part of my body is too much for me. Mentally, I wouldn't be able to take it. I do consider that, if I had to die, it's destiny, God wants it for me, my time is up.

Thanks for answering. It's different to how I think.

[Captain.Remy]

What about blood, and blood products, plasma etc, are you against the giving and receiving of them too?

I do give my blood tho because it does immediately regenerate. I know I wouldn't need my organs once I'm dead but still, I lived with my body all life long, I want to end with that body. I know it sounds cruel or selfish but I'm really stubborn on this one.

[Claymores]

PMSL from European Grants to a greater extent than most other parts of the UK.

Scotland has historically benefitted because of Grants under the "poverty" definitions. You can hardly say it's a great thing that local authorities were able to demonstrate their population was suffering from poverty/social exclusion/economic decline and therefore more eligible for things like ERDF/ESF that other deprived parts of the EU.

[WOMBAI]

I was born with my body, I will die with my body. I know it sounds brutal but it's about me, my integrity. I cannot do this. I've done a lot of things in my life, some crazy stuff, but the idea of giving away a part of my body is too much for me. Mentally, I wouldn't be able to take it. I do consider that, if I had to die, it's destiny, God wants it for me, my time is up.

That is so easy to say whilst you and your family are in good health! If and when put to the test - and either your life or the life of a loved one depends on it - you may well see it differently! And until that point comes - you can't know how you will feel then!

[Shasown]

Oh forgot that I think smokers are some of the most selfish people going.. especially women who smoke when pregnant and those who smoke in front of children.

Actually I think Passive smokers are worse, I mean taking all that nicotine and tar smokers have to pay for, for free, you would think they would at least buy the odd packet of ciggies for their smoker mates, oh no all they do is complain.

[Smithy]

Women should be seen not heard

[Captain.Remy]

That is so easy to say whilst you and your family are in good health! If and when put to the test - and either your life or the life of a loved one depends on it - you may well see it differently! And until that point comes - you can't know how you will feel then!

Too bad my uncle needed a kidney and the only person left who had to give it to him was my dad and another brother. My uncles and my dad refused on a common agreement. They found another donor.
I know what I'm talking about WOMBAI, don't worry. I'm far from being thick. :wink:

[Patrick]

Um I think Religion is a **** thing and we should all **** and forget about gods and just stop with it.

[WOMBAI]

Too bad my uncle needed a kidney and the only person left who had to give it to him was my dad and another brother. My uncles and my dad refused on a common agreement. They found another donor.
I know what I'm talking about WOMBAI, don't worry. I'm far from being thick. :wink:

I am not suggesting you are thick - but emotions can cloud our judgements. What if everyone felt like that - there wouldn't have been another donor for your uncle - and he may have died!

[Captain.Remy]

I am not suggesting you are thick - but emotions can cloud our judements. What if everyone felt like that - there wouldn't have been another donor for your uncle - and he may have died!

I know but then I don't ask myself the question because it never happened. I honestly don't expect people to understand me, I'm usually a logical person, I like to give reasons and think logically about everything I do but on this one, there may be not logical reason on the paper but that's how I see it.
This also applies to charity. There are people who do that because it's needed and we need people like them. It's just not for me.

[Sophii3x]

Actually I think Passive smokers are worse, I mean taking all that nicotine and tar smokers have to pay for, for free, you would think they would at least buy the odd packet of ciggies for their smoker mates, oh no all they do is complain.

Lmao, passive smokers? as in people who have to inhale other people's smoke when they don't want to.. thank god for the smoking ban now. I just find smokers who smoke in front of others beyond selfish and people who smoke in front of kids deserve to be locked up as do pregnant women who smoke.

I also don't get why smoking while driving is legal.. it's probably as dangerous/distracting as using a phone at the wheel.

[Shasown]

Scotland has historically benefitted because of Grants under the "poverty" definitions. You can hardly say it's a great thing that local authorities were able to demonstrate their population was suffering from poverty/social exclusion/economic decline and therefore more eligible for things like ERDF/ESF that other deprived parts of the EU.

Economic decline yeah some of that could be blamed on whoever is/was in power, however there is also the demographic element which accounts for a good share of ERDF awards etc. Declines in industry etc may not always be the result of government policy it could also be bad management, non reliability of local work force etc.

However you are now talking about disparity across the whole of the EU, and that whole situation has now changed with the inclusion of Czech Republic, Romania, Lithuania etc. Those countries will receive the lions share of funds in the future. And the thing is, they are in the EU currently, Scotland if it goes it alone may not be.

[Shasown]

Lmao, passive smokers? as in people who have to inhale other people's smoke when they don't want to.. thank god for the smoking ban now. I just find smokers who smoke in front of others beyond selfish and people who smoke in front of kids deserve to be locked up as do pregnant women who smoke.

I also don't get why smoking while driving is legal.. it's probably as dangerous/distracting as using a phone at the wheel.

Ah well you may have to lock me up I love standing outside the local schools where the pupils can see me and light up. If it was playtime that would be a different matter, those little blighters aren't getting any of my nicotine without paying for it.

As for smoking while driving, there is nothing wrong with that, what gets me is the idiots trying to distract me with thier lights and horns while driving and rolling my cigarettes.

Non smokers should move away, how inconsiderate of them to expect smokers to move, we are the ones with reduced lung capacity, poor circulation and inefficient cardio vascular systems :wink:

[Stacey.]

Economic decline yeah some of that could be blamed on whoever is/was in power, however there is also the demographic element which accounts for a good share of ERDF awards etc. Declines in industry etc may not always be the result of government policy it could also be bad management, non reliability of local work force etc.

However you are now talking about disparity across the whole of the EU, and that whole situation has now changed with the inclusion of Czech Republic, Romania, Lithuania etc. Those countries will receive the lions share of funds in the future. And the thing is, they are in the EU currently, Scotland if it goes it alone may not be.

youre very intellegent. :hugesmile:

[Claymores]

Economic decline yeah some of that could be blamed on whoever is/was in power, however there is also the demographic element which accounts for a good share of ERDF awards etc. Declines in industry etc may not always be the result of government policy it could also be bad management, non reliability of local work force etc.

However you are now talking about disparity across the whole of the EU, and that whole situation has now changed with the inclusion of Czech Republic, Romania, Lithuania etc. Those countries will receive the lions share of funds in the future. And the thing is, they are in the EU currently, Scotland if it goes it alone may not be.

Hmmmm - so you think that the EU would decline an independant Scotland membership of the EU.........this seriously is a uniquely whacky view, and not one I've EVER encountered before.

[Captain.Remy]

Economic decline yeah some of that could be blamed on whoever is/was in power, however there is also the demographic element which accounts for a good share of ERDF awards etc. Declines in industry etc may not always be the result of government policy it could also be bad management, non reliability of local work force etc.

However you are now talking about disparity across the whole of the EU, and that whole situation has now changed with the inclusion of Czech Republic, Romania, Lithuania etc. Those countries will receive the lions share of funds in the future. And the thing is, they are in the EU currently, Scotland if it goes it alone may not be.

Sounds like I have someone else to talk economics with. I felt a bit alone. :hugesmile: Such a passion to me. I'd love to win the Nobel Prize in Economics. Probably will never happen tho lol

[Shasown]

Hmmmm - so you think that the EU would decline an independant Scotland membership of the EU.........this seriously is a uniquely whacky view, and not one I've EVER encountered before.

Its not just scotland they could decline membership to, everyone thinks its a given thing, however its not the UK was accepted in and if scotland became independent they would have to apply for membership same as any other country wanting to enter, but the most important thing to remember is it could also mean that the rest of the UK (England Wales and Northern Ireland) could and should also face the same application. If collectively the UK have upset enough European countries in the past and they decide to hold it against us the whole of the UK could be out.

[Claymores]

Its not just scotland they could decline membership to, everyone thinks its a given thing, however its not the UK was accepted in and if scotland became independent they would have to apply for membership same as any other country wanting to enter, but the most important thing to remember is it could also mean that the rest of the UK (England Wales and Northern Ireland) could and should also face the same application. If collectively the UK have upset enough European countries in the past and they decide to hold it against us the whole of the UK could be out.

I can assure you that nobody in the Scottish Office or officials from the Scottish Parliament have this fear regarding Scotland's application. The country of England & Wales is not a concern.........it's their application to make and we don't care. I suspect however, that an EU which dismissed the country of England & Wales would be so strongly frowned upon as to destroy the "Union"

[Shasown]

I can assure you that nobody in the Scottish Office or officials from the Scottish Parliament have this fear regarding Scotland's application. The country of England & Wales is not a concern.........it's their application to make and we don't care. I suspect however, that an EU which dismissed the country of England & Wales would be so strongly frowned upon as to destroy the "Union"

Ok then let me explain it this way, France decided that in future it will hold a national referendum to decide on its policy to new applications to the EU, Spain could do the same, why would spain do that, think carefully before answering?

Now have a look at this:

http://news.scotsman.com/scottishindependence/Independent-Scotland-would-have-to.3328377.jp

Now this, yes i know its from a unionist website, but the points are clear and fair.

http://www.scottishunionist.com/2008/08/independence-in-europe-highly-debatable.html

Now this, no not all of it, just scroll down to the part headed scotland and read the 8th paragraph.

http://www.ukpac.org/sunningdale290108.htm

And the answer to why spain would possibly veto Scotlands application - The EU Common Fisheries Policy. If Scotland was to be allowed in to the EU as an independant nation it could claim back fishing grounds that the UK traded during the last 30 years. Spain would use a threatened veto against Scotland to ensure they made some sort of commitment not to claim the fishing rights back.

Look at the problems Greenland had when trying to get of the EU private members club and that was all based around the fishing policy.

Would Salmond and co agree to that precondition? And would he also agree to conversion to the euro?

Now what was it you said? Oh yes "this seriously is a uniquely whacky view, and not one I've EVER encountered before"

Not so wacky a view after all. There are other articles in the newspapers and on the net still arguing the same case, now Salmond loves to put across how well Scotland would do in the European Union, thing is being in the Union isnt guaranteed. A fact he always plays down.

[Claymores]

I beg to differ - the theoretical is already partly negotiated if you speak to senior Scottish politicians and Scottish Office Officials - would involve some concessions. Taking the Euro was never a concession as the SNP have wanted that all along, as have many Scots to assist in the process of divorcing/differentiating from the nation of England & Wales

Pulling up bits from a Unionist Website seems quite frankly desperate. Do you have an agenda for Unionism?

[Shasown]

I beg to differ - the theoretical is already partly negotiated if you speak to senior Scottish politicians and Scottish Office Officials - would involve some concessions. Taking the Euro was never a concession as the SNP have wanted that all along, as have many Scots to assist in the process of divorcing/differentiating from the nation of England & Wales

Pulling up bits from a Unionist Website seems quite frankly desperate. Do you have an agenda for Unionism?

Not at all,I did state the link was a unionist website but the claims are valid and factual, but I will further enhance the reasons why Scotland will potentially have problems.

THERE is no precedent of a member state breaking up, which means the issue of an independent Scotland's position within the EU is under speculation. If you think about it Spain will veto it on the grounds of the problems it will cause with separatists in its north. Look at the problems with Kosovo.

Plus Salmond has already stated he would withdraw from the CFP, not a wise statement given he has claimed Scotland will get straight in but the EU itself has not stated this is the case, they refuse to comment on hypothetical cases.

As for your statement that things have already been partly negotiated, care to provide something concrete to back that up? And would it really be wise to join the Euro seeing the problems the recent Greek financial crisis caused? You say many Scots, is that backed by statistical analysis, any research?

International case law favours the notion that the larger entity in a political break-up is usually designated the inheritor of all treaty obligations. This would therefore leave Scottish ministers having to negotiate not just membership of the EU, but of the United Nations and the WTO. However, many argue it would not benefit the EU to fracture borders, at a time when it is engaged in enlargement.

( http://news.scotsman.com/europeanunion/Entry-to-EU-automatic-for.3589518.jp )

Actually it would be far easier for the EU to simply state, yeah you can be an independant nation however we will deal with you through the UK.

As for the case that they will sail straight into Europe, as many times as he and Sturgeon keep giving the same old garbage, they dont and cant state it as given. Just because other members of their party say it will be so doesnt mean it really will be. He can state it, but you will notice senior European Official also state the opposite.

[Shasown]

One other point you should bear in mind, its not really Scotlands Oil, most of belongs in the Shetland Basin so technically its Shetlands Oil, the shetlanders are a strange bunch and in reality are more Nordic than Celtic.

I seem to recall that when the UK moved towards the Common Market in the 70's an independence movement sprang up that stated it would prefer to go it alone like its Norwegian brothers rather than its Scottish cousins, so when you open the Indepenence Box you have to be careful what is actually let out.

Wouldnt it be funny if Scotland did gain independance then Shetland demanded to go it alone, taking their oil with them?

[bbfan1991]

I can't stand St Cheryl Cole the supposed ''nation's sweetheart''.
I like David Cameron

['Conor]

i disagree with alot of religion stuff and so my religion teacher hates me

['Conor]

I can't stand St Cheryl Cole the supposed ''nation's sweetheart''.
I like David Cameron

i cant stand her either !

[Zippy]

That JedwardFever is a legend and will one day rule the world...starting with TIBB.

Just mark my words....

[BB_Eye]

One other point you should bear in mind, its not really Scotlands Oil, most of belongs in the Shetland Basin so technically its Shetlands Oil, the shetlanders are a strange bunch and in reality are more Nordic than Celtic.

I seem to recall that when the UK moved towards the Common Market in the 70's an independence movement sprang up that stated it would prefer to go it alone like its Norwegian brothers rather than its Scottish cousins, so when you open the Indepenence Box you have to be careful what is actually let out.

Wouldnt it be funny if Scotland did gain independance then Shetland demanded to go it alone, taking their oil with them?

Nothing like a very rich, very small country. I could live the rest of my life there. ^_^

[WOMBAI]

That some on here need to go out and get some personal experience - walk the walk, instead of talk the talk!