"The difficult second album"

[Shaun]

True or not?

I have quite a few artists where the second album has been my favourite [The Killers - Sam's Town; Antony and the Johnsons - I Am A Bird Now; Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare]

But it's often the case with a lot of emerging talents that they can't match their debut [though you could argue they've had their whole lives to work on the debut and 2-3 years for the second].

I would argue this is the case with Mika, Kasabian, the Strokes, Franz Ferdinand and the Scissor Sisters.

Definite exceptions: Muse [showbiz was ew. Origin of Symmetry was amaze.], Gorillaz.

Oh and don't even bother naming acts who don't actually write their material. This is specifically directed at those who do.

[InOne]

Another exception is WTSMG.

Ermmm Maybe The Kooks? The Enemy, The Music, Goldfrapp, The Fratellis, Kaiser Chiefs

[Billy]

As much as people don't really like her on here, I think Kate Nash has struggled to match Made Of Bricks.

[InOne]

I predict a difficult second album for Pixie Lott as well, she had a few hits off the first, but that last few have not charted well.

[Jayson]

Agree with Muse, although Showbiz is still good.

For me, Empire is better than Kasabian's debut album.

[*mazedsalv**]

2nd albums normally sell much less than the first.

One example where this is not true is Rihanna. Her 3rd album sold more than her first 2 combined i think!

[Mystic Mock]

2nd albums normally sell much less than the first.

One example where this is not true is Rihanna. Her 3rd album sold more than her first 2 combined i think!

ive heard leonas album its not that bad

[BB_Eye]

Definite exceptions: Muse [showbiz was ew. Origin of Symmetry was amaze.], Gorillaz.


Showbiz is the Muse album for people who don't like Muse, hence it's my favourite of theirs.

Off the top of my head Liz Phair, Leonard Cohen, the Dead Kennedies, Black Flag, Joy Division (although they didn't have much time to), Suede and REM never surpassed the quality of their debut albums.

[Mrluvaluva]

I am interested in seeing the next offerings from Amy Winehouse and Adele. They have a lot to live up to. Maybe might get to hear Amy's in about....another 10 years? Florence Welch's follow up material should be interesting too. Hopefully.

[Princess]

Take That's 2nd album 'Everything Changes' is my least fav, Mark Owen's 'In Your Own Time is my fav,Christina Aguilera's 'Stripped',amazing. It all depends really.

edit:Gary Barlow personally hates his 2nd album and he got dropped after it,but I think it's quite good.

[Z]

I think the pitfall is that they take too long to release a second album; they need to ride that wave of the first album and quickly send out a second album of decent quality; key example being Lady GaGa. Had she not done that, I think she'd have fallen into that category of having a difficult second album, but because she quickly released more material, it's cemented her position and she can take a break now. Most artists make the mistake of taking a break between their first and second album, which in my opinion is where they fall flat on their faces. Paolo Nutini, The Kooks, The Fratellis... the list is endless.

[CaraRawr]

I agree about Muse.

I guess it's the truth with 30 Seconds To Mars, A Beautiful Lie is their strongest album. My favourite is This Is War though (their 3rd).

[Lewis.]

Totally agree Zee.:thumbsup:

[MrGaryy]

It definitely is a problem for a lot of artists, Mika, Kate Nash, MGMT, Scissor Sisters and in my opinion, The Killers but I think it's equally balanced by artists like Christina Aguilera, THe White Stripes, Kelly Clarkson, Muse, P!nk. I think a lot of it is to do with how much control they're given on thier first record.

[Smithy]

I think it depend on the standard of the first album, sometimes there just no chance of it meeting those heights again. But artists like Lily Allen manage to excel themselves

[Shaun]

Hmm I personally prefer Alright, Still but 'It's Not Me, It's You' was equally good quality.

['Conor]

like sugababes 1st album flopped but there second album sold nearly a million copies in the UK

[MeMyselfAndI]

leona lewis echo didnt do aswell as spirit but it still did fantastic

[Shaun]

Read the OP :bored: I said artists that write their material.

[MeMyselfAndI]

i think you find leona co wrote 7 songs :nono:

[Smithy]

Hmm I personally prefer Alright, Still but 'It's Not Me, It's You' was equally good quality.

Well you get my point :p

[Mrluvaluva]

It all depends. Look at the success of Alanis Morissette's "Jagged little pill" album. It was her 3rd album. She changed her style and it was an amazing success she was never going to top. TLC also released an amazing 2nd album in CrazySexyCool. Some artists do find it hard to follow up a successful debut of high standard. Some can pull it off. And some of the best artists can pull it off over and over again.

[Shaun]

i think you find leona co wrote 7 songs :nono:

Sitting on a beanbag and going 'yeah I like that, that's reeeally gooood' isn't co-writing.

[xDramatick]

Christina Aguilera, P!nk, Kelly Clarkson, Lady GaGa & Ashlee Simpson all had very successful second albums!

Evanescence did too, but it wasn't as successful as Fallen.

[iRyan]

When you're a new artist, you really have to strike while the iron is hot with your second album.

Like with Lady Gaga, 'The Fame' made her very famous but once she released 'Bad Romance' along with 'The Fame Monster', she launched herself into mega stardom and instantly became a pop icon and legend.

[Mrluvaluva]

Sitting on a beanbag and going 'yeah I like that, that's reeeally gooood' isn't co-writing.

Although I hate to say it, that really made me laugh.

[Tom4784]

I think the pitfall is that they take too long to release a second album; they need to ride that wave of the first album and quickly send out a second album of decent quality; key example being Lady GaGa. Had she not done that, I think she'd have fallen into that category of having a difficult second album, but because she quickly released more material, it's cemented her position and she can take a break now. Most artists make the mistake of taking a break between their first and second album, which in my opinion is where they fall flat on their faces. Paolo Nutini, The Kooks, The Fratellis... the list is endless.

I don't know, a quick second release can be extremely damaging if it's not upto snuff. I think LG's gonna still suffer with the second album due to the exposure anyway.

Oh and Paolo Nutini's second album has done really well though, It's leggier then a battalion of catwalk models.

[Tom4784]

When you're a new artist, you really have to strike while the iron is hot with your second album.

Like with Lady Gaga, 'The Fame' made her very famous but once she released 'Bad Romance' along with 'The Fame Monster', she launched herself into mega stardom and instantly became a pop icon and legend.

WAY too early to brand her either. Let's see if she's still shining bright with her followup albums first.

[setanta]

The Bends by Radiohead. Masterpiece, and it's their second album. And to top that off they surpassed even that with their 3rd.

[MeMyselfAndI]

no leona actrally wrote 8 of them herself she just had some proffesinal help watching her so she could ask advice thats what co means

[Firewire]

I agree in some cases, e.g. Mika, Scissor Sisters etc.

But some artists have had AMAZING second albums, e.g. Lady GaGa, Christina Aguilera, Ashley Tisdale.

[Harry!]

Madonna's second album did well for her as it was the album that started the controversy that has made her the person she is today!

[Iceman]

I think Plan B breaks the mold on this, his first album was okay, and had limited success but his second went straight to number 1 in the charts. And is a much better album as a whole, lyrically and style-wise.

[Shaun]

no leona actrally wrote 8 of them herself she just had some proffesinal help watching her so she could ask advice thats what co means

Yeah, sure, that's what she did. She has the linguistic skills of a ****ing kumquat, I heavily believe she just sat there adding her own "oooooooh"s.

[Iceman]

no leona actrally wrote 8 of them herself she just had some proffesinal help watching her so she could ask advice thats what co means

dnt be so silly, horses cant write they havent got hands.

[MeMyselfAndI]

oh my god leona actually wrote the song my hands completey herself

[Iceman]

oh my god leona actually wrote the song my hands completey herself

oh my god a whole actual song, phone the papers

[MeMyselfAndI]

More sucessfull from that car in your picture

[CaraRawr]

oh my god leona actually wrote the song my hands completey herself

"I wake in the morning, tired of sleeping
Get in the shower, and make my bed alone
I put on my makeup, talk into the mirror
Ready for a new day, without you"

lyrical genius right there.

[MeMyselfAndI]

well final fantasy 13 got that song straight away so :wavey:

[Iceman]

More sucessfull from that car in your picture

ha fail, the man in that car is the most succesful F1 driver of all time, he holds these records:

Championship titles: 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)
Consecutive titles: 5 (2000–2004)
Race victories: 91
Consecutive wins: 7 (2004, Europe–Hungary)
Wins with one team: 72 (Ferrari)
Wins at same GP: 8 (France)
Wins at different GPs: 22
Longest Time between first and last wins: 14 years, 1 month and 2 days
Second places: 43
Podiums (Top 3): 154
Consecutive podium finishes: 19 (US 2001–Japan 2002)
Points finishes: 193
Consecutive points finishes: 24 (Hungary 2001–Malaysia 2003)
Laps leading: 4741 (22,155 km)
Pole positions: 68
Front row starts: 115
Fastest laps: 76
Doubles (Pole and win): 40
Perfect Score (Pole, fastest lap and win): 22
Championship points: 1,379
Most points in a season for a runner-up: 121 (2006)
Most wins in a season for a runner-up: 7 (2006)
Wins at Indianapolis (any racing class): 5
Wins at Monza (Formula One): 5
Wins in a season: 13 (72%) (2004)
Fastest laps in a season: 10 (2004)
Points scored in a season: 148 (82% of Max available) (2004)
Podium finishes in a season: 17 (100%) (2002)
Championship won with most races left: 6 (2002)
Consecutive years with a win: 15 (1992–2006)
Consecutive days as champion: 1813 (from 8 October 2000 until 25 September 2005)


He was also the highest paid SPORTSPERSON in the world earning 120 million dollars in a single year.


I know my facts about my idol, pitty you dont know yours.

[Twilight]

MM&i stop it

[CaraRawr]

well final fantasy 13 got that song straight away so :wavey:

yeah doesn't mean the lyrics aren't crap though.

well whatever, just saying.

[MeMyselfAndI]

i said the car i didnt mention a man :conf:

[MeMyselfAndI]

and leona lewis is the most sucessfull person in the world to me and she relates to me in all of her songs :D

[Stacey.]

MM&i stop it

be quiet.

[Shaun]

eugh, get out of my thread. all of you.

[Stacey.]

bye :wavey:

[CaraRawr]

and leona lewis is the most sucessfull person in the world to me and she relates to me in all of her songs :D

well jared leto is the most important person in the world to me yet i don't get angry if people don't like him.

sorry shaun, i'm on my way out. D:

[Twilight]

and leona lewis is the most sucessfull person in the world to me and she relates to me in all of her songs :D

How do her song relate to you?

[Shaun]

*chases cara with a shovel*

[Z]

I think Plan B breaks the mold on this, his first album was okay, and had limited success but his second went straight to number 1 in the charts. And is a much better album as a whole, lyrically and style-wise.

Technically, yeah; although, and forgive me if I'm wrong, I took the title of Shaun's thread to mean the difficult second album after the first successful one; not the literal second album... if you get what I mean?

[Shaun]

How do her song relate to you?

fingers crossed she's bleeding...

[Twilight]

fingers crossed she's bleeding...

LOL yeahh:P

[CaraRawr]

fingers crossed she's bleeding...

HAHA.

oh sorry, i should be running. don't really want a shovel up the arse. :(

[MeMyselfAndI]

because the lyrics of her songs are the best lyrics than any other person has done

[Twilight]

because the lyrics of her songs are the best lyrics than any other person has done

ROFL not.

[Stacey.]

Taylor Swifts lyrics are amazing :love:

[Twilight]

Not the best ever though, to think that their the best ever is just stupid.

[Iceman]

because the lyrics of her songs are the best lyrics than any other person has done

your a fool of a joke, just die

[Iceman]

Technically, yeah; although, and forgive me if I'm wrong, I took the title of Shaun's thread to mean the difficult second album after the first successful one; not the literal second album... if you get what I mean?

oh right i get what Shaun meant, thanks for pointing that out to me and making me look a fool :(

[MeMyselfAndI]

your a fool of a joke, just die

its in my opnion that is so mean i would never say that about anyone on this forum. i just look up to leona as she is my idol and i love every song of hers and i belive her lyrics are the best ever im sorry for having an opinion

[Iceman]

its in my opnion that is so mean i would never say that about anyone on this forum. i just look up to leona as she is my idol and i love every song of hers and i belive her lyrics are the best ever im sorry for having an opinion

im sorry i lost my violin, but fear not if i had it id be playing it for you now.

[Shaun]

Hmm actually I didn't really think about a difference between 'first' albums and first successful albums :tongue:

Perhaps that's because the tendency nowadays is for a new act to breakthrough and then have to follow up, rather than stalwarts suddenly getting lucky.

[CaraRawr]

because the lyrics of her songs are the best lyrics than any other person has done

you're hilarious, you know that?

[MeMyselfAndI]

you're hilarious, you know that?

just in my opinion cara

sorry :(

[Iceman]

Hmm actually I didn't really think about a difference between 'first' albums and first successful albums :tongue:

Perhaps that's because the tendency nowadays is for a new act to breakthrough and then have to follow up, rather than stalwarts suddenly getting lucky.

I think its better to have a second album thats critically and comercially better, i can think of only 1 other band i like that did it and that was Limp Bizkit.

[MeMyselfAndI]

schumacher u shud get an infraction

[Twilight]

schumacher u shud get an infraction

LOLz

[MeMyselfAndI]

what twilight

jessica told enid to go die after enid kept annoying her - she got banned for 2 days
i told jayson to die. which i edited straight away and said sorry 1000 times. after he told me and all my friends and family to die aswell. i still got an infraction
and there are many more cases

if schumacher doesnt get a infraction/ban then the mod is being biast completely as others have suffered from infractions and bans. so if he gets nothing then the mod is not a good mod because they are just thinking about their friendship with schumacher so they should be kicked off the moderator table.

[Iceman]

schumacher u shud get an infraction

so i should.....i'm really not that bothered.

[Billy]

I told Jessica to go die and I got warned :(

[*mazedsalv**]

Other artists who 2nd albums worked for were Lily Allen and Sugababes.

The Boybands from the 90s, like Backstreet Boys. The first album sold around 11m and the second 14m and it was only released in the US. "Millennuim" was huge, didnt that sell something massive like 40m worldwide and it was their 4th album. And like Westlife, Nsync etc....

[Beastie]

Avril Lavigne's 2nd albulm was good too! :)

[InOne]

Avril Lavigne's 2nd albulm was good too! :)

You should do standup beast!!! :tongue:



lol jk ;)

[M X]

Some artists do struggle with their second albums (eg. Kate Nash, Mika) however the majority of artists I listen too alot I prefer their second albums (Lady Gaga, Lily Allen, Amy Winehouse, Scissor Sisters) too name a few.

[Iceman]

This thread...... :laugh2:

[Marc]

Whenever an artist makes a debut with a new sound and their music gets over played it's often hard to not compare their new material in their second album to their first. They probably had a lot more time to complete their first album and the pressure to get the second out means they probably don't get enough time to make it just as good as the first.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Lmfao

[Samm]

Sheezus was also a success another #1 album

[Pete.]

Oops I Did It Again owned the charts

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

crying

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i think you find leona co wrote 7 songs :nono:

Sitting on a beanbag and going 'yeah I like that, that's reeeally gooood' isn't co-writing.

omfg

[Me. I Am Salman]

rihan-