More babies born early fuel calls to lower abortion limit

[Crimson Dynamo]

The number of babies born weighing just 2lbs has more than doubled in the last two years, causing pro-lifers to reinforce the demand to lower the abortion limit from 24 weeks.

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/more-babies-born-early-fuel-calls-to-lower-abortion-limit/

lovely picture to look at if you click the link. What do you think about this?

[Niamh.]

I think abortion at 24 weeks is horrendous, it is murder in my eyes if the child was capable of surviving. I think it should be an awful lot lower than 24 weeks tbh.

[pinkmichk]

i dont agree with the limit on it i know of a 25 weeker who has survived also my besties daughter will be 6 in aug and was born at 27+2

[BrooklynFan]

babies delivered as young as 22 weeks have survived.
I had a miscarriage at 11 weeks and it was eerie how real to a person it looked like on the scan. and you should see how fetuses at 17 and 20 weeks move around on the scans. they are alive. they cant survive outside the womb but they are alive. it's killing a live thing when you have an abortion at that stage. just my 2 cents.

[Crimson Dynamo]

one day abortion will be all but a horrid memory

like we now view burning "witches"

[InOne]

You hear stories of the mother getting left with the baby dying in her arms and the doc and midwife just walking off.

[BB_Eye]

I think abortion at 24 weeks is horrendous, it is murder in my eyes if the child was capable of surviving. I think it should be an awful lot lower than 24 weeks tbh.

But how is it any worse than taking the pill? No matter at which stage you terminate a pregnancy, you destroy what can be considered a potential life. Life itself only begins when the foetus or baby is conscious.

I don't agree with the Catholic view that life begins at the moment of conception, but it is just as valid as arguing that it begins at any other stage of pregnancy.

[pinkmichk]

i'm not catholic but it has a heartbeat from around 5 weeks so in such whatever stage it is aborted at i dont agree as it is a life

[Niamh.]

But how is it any worse than taking the pill? No matter at which stage you terminate a pregnancy, you destroy what can be considered a potential life. Life itself only begins when the foetus or baby is conscious.

I don't agree with the Catholic view that life begins at the moment of conception, but it is just as valid as arguing that it begins at any other stage of pregnancy.

Well, taking the pill is preventing the pregnancy occurring so I don't think it can be compared to having an abortion. There is a difference between a potential life and life that has started already imo

I don't really agree with abortion at all but understand that they are my feelings and I wouldn't condemn a person for doing it but I really feel strongly that at 24 weeks because the baby could survive outside the womb, that it is very wrong to do it at that stage.

[Shasown]

Well, taking the pill is preventing the pregnancy occurring so I don't think it can be compared to having an abortion. There is a difference between a potential life and life that has started already imo

I don't really agree with abortion at all but understand that they are my feelings and I wouldn't condemn a person for doing it but I really feel strongly that at 24 weeks because the baby could survive outside the womb, that it is very wrong to do it at that stage.



Not strictly true some pills including the morning-after-pill work by preventing a fertilised egg from attaching to the lining of the uterus. So therefore in some cases the new life will have already started as the egg has been fertilised.

I am a Catholic, however it doesnt bother me at what stage the foetus or child(called it what you will) is aborted. I have had a vasectomy (did I say i was catholic? I should amend that to i am a bad catholic) so it wont affect me. however if any of my children were to be in the position of thinking about an abortion, I would advise them if they are have it as early in the pregnancy as possible.

[Niamh.]

Not strictly true some pills including the morning-after-pill work by preventing a fertilised egg from attaching to the lining of the uterus. So therefore in some cases the new life will have already started as the egg has been fertilised.

I am a Catholic, however it doesnt bother me at what stage the foetus or child(called it what you will) is aborted. I have had a vasectomy (did I say i was catholic? I should amend that to i am a bad catholic) so it wont affect me. however if any of my children were to be in the position of thinking about an abortion, I would advise them if they are have it as early in the pregnancy as possible.

I am also a bad/non-practicing Catholic lol

Look these are just my opinions on the matter, I'm not saying I'm right or I'm wrong about it, I just know that I personally would feel I'd murdered my own child if I had an abortion.

Having said that I still would think that it is wrong to abort a baby that could survive if it were born

[Crimson Dynamo]

But how is it any worse than taking the pill? No matter at which stage you terminate a pregnancy, you destroy what can be considered a potential life. Life itself only begins when the foetus or baby is conscious.

I don't agree with the Catholic view that life begins at the moment of conception, but it is just as valid as arguing that it begins at any other stage of pregnancy.

Life itself only begins when the foetus or baby is conscious.

really?

how do you arrive at that view?

[Beastie]

Not strictly true some pills including the morning-after-pill work by preventing a fertilised egg from attaching to the lining of the uterus. So therefore in some cases the new life will have already started as the egg has been fertilised.

I am a Catholic, however it doesnt bother me at what stage the foetus or child(called it what you will) is aborted. I have had a vasectomy (did I say i was catholic? I should amend that to i am a bad catholic) so it wont affect me. however if any of my children were to be in the position of thinking about an abortion, I would advise them if they are have it as early in the pregnancy as possible.

I am not a Catholic. Don't they even believe in the use of condoms? how ridiculous!! Also it is good people use the pill as well! Catholics are also known for liking too much drink? tut tut lol

But yeah 24 weeks is far too late and omg can't believe I read the post from mich.. a baby's heart starts beating at 5 weeks!! omg

[Niamh.]

I am not a Catholic. Don't they even believe in the use of condoms? how ridiculous!! Also it is good people use the pill as well! Catholics are also known for liking too much drink? tut tut lol

But yeah 24 weeks is far too late and omg can't believe I read the post from mich.. a baby's heart starts beating at 5 weeks!! omg

I don't think many Catholics actually follow that no contraception rule anymore Beasty!

[Beastie]

It should be lowered from 24 weeks to 12 weeks.

[Beastie]

I don't think many Catholics actually follow that no contraception rule anymore Beasty!

Lol yeah I thought that.. then they are not full on Catholics.. like any other religion.. people just choose which part of the book they want to follow or want to believe and then they instantly think they are a "Catholic, Christian, Buddhist" etc..

[Niamh.]

Lol yeah I thought that.. then they are not full on Catholics.. like any other religion.. people just choose which part of the book they want to follow or want to believe and then they instantly think they are a "Catholic, Christian, Buddhist" etc..

In these peoples defence though, most people are just born into the particular religion that they are. I was born into being a Catholic because I'm Irish and my parents were and their parents were etc. I didn't choose to be Catholic and it and its silly rules like the contraception one were forced on me, I don't consider myself to be a Catholic now at all tbh

[Lucy.]

True faith can't really be forced on anyone. Even if your made to practice a religion it doesn't mean you will conciously believe in it.
I personally disagree with abortion but that's simply because I believe in the idea that it's murder, but that doesn't mean I look upon everyone who does it as a bad person. That's not true at all.

[Niamh.]

True faith can't really be forced on anyone. Even if your made to practice a religion it doesn't mean you will conciously believe in it.
I personally disagree with abortion but that's simply because I believe in the idea that it's murder, but that doesn't mean I look upon everyone who does it as a bad person. That's not true atall.

yeah, that's the way I feel about it too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

when they introduced abortion it was meant to be for the few and only very specific cases....

[Shasown]

I don't think many Catholics actually follow that no contraception rule anymore Beasty!

Rules are for the guidance of the wise and the obeyance of fools.

[Shasown]

when they introduced abortion it was meant to be for the few and only very specific cases....

Very true, it sometimes seems as if it is being used as simply another form of contraception.

Saying that what would you propose for people who do habitually have abortions to avoid unwanted pregnancies. Something along the line of branding them on the forehead or right cheek with a W for *****?

[MeMyselfAndI]

Pregnancy makes me feel sick

[Shasown]

Pregnancy makes me feel sick

When are you due?

[Lucy.]

Pregnancy makes me feel sick

That's a little strange.

[InOne]

Pregnancy makes me feel sick

You can't deprive the world of a mini MM&I!!!!!

[Shasown]

That's a little strange.

MM&I is more than a little strange.

Lots of women/girls suffer from morning sickness during the first and sometimes into the second trimester.

[Lucy.]

She confuses me. Is she referring to the physical sickness? Or does she mean that the idea of Pregnancy makes her feel sick?

[arista]

"murder"


No not at all it is 100% Legal in the UK.


Life In The City.

[zotler.]

Pregnancy makes me feel sick
Coincidence?

[Shasown]

She confuses me. Is she referring to the physical sickness? Or does she mean that the idea of Pregnancy makes her feel sick?

Nah she means the idea of being pregnant makes her sick, poor little girl hasnt kick started her menstrual moped yet.

She will be more annoying than the Crazy Frog (No not you Captain Remy) when she does.

[Lucy.]

:bouncy:

[Niamh.]

Rules are for the guidance of the wise and the obeyance of fools.

I like that, you're so wise!

[Niamh.]

She confuses me. Is she referring to the physical sickness? Or does she mean that the idea of Pregnancy makes her feel sick?

She's only 13, I'm sure lots of 13 year olds think that way!