Heroin

[Callum]

It's an awful drug. After watching a drama on BBC last week 'Five Daughters' - most of the girls were heavy heroin users, it's been playing on my mind all week. I think it's the worst drug personally, I would hate to be addicted to it. But I know that a lot of people are, it's not an uncommon thing.

I really don't understand the concept of it neither. All I know is that it's injected into the body. Is there any other ways to take heroin apart from injecting and how do you buy heroin? :conf: It confuses me, with cocaine and some other drugs - I know it's given as a white powder form - which heroin isn't.

Not a nice topic I know but I was reading on a news website the other day that heroin users are increasing in the UK which is a sad fact. Bit of a alarming question but has anyone on here ever took or been addicted to heroin or know anyone who has been?

[MrGaryy]

OMG how ironic, my drama coach was telling me about the same show haha!

[Kerry]

I think you can smoke it too. Like cocaine. Thankfully my knowledge is limited.

[Callum]

I think you can smoke it too. Like cocaine. Thankfully my knowledge is limited.

Safe to say I never knew that. I find it weird myself how the exact same thing can be smoked but also injected into the body.

[Kerry]

Safe to say I never knew that. I find it weird myself how the exact same thing can be smoked but also injected into the body.

Liquid form. In foil. Up a pipe. Could be totally wrong mind. I watch loads of those fly on the wall cop shows though and they always assosciate that (foil and pipes) with A class drugs and usually say heroin

[Callum]

Liquid form. In foil. Up a pipe. Could be totally wrong mind. I watch loads of those fly on the wall cop shows though and they always assosciate that (foil and pipes) with A class drugs and usually say heroin

I've watched crime programmes before too and heroin has always been shown with the foil like you said. I don't understand that. Does the foil do something to the heroin?

[Smithy]

I thought (although Im probably wrong) you heated the solid form until it became liquid then injected it

[Kerry]

I've watched crime programmes before too and heroin has always been shown with the foil like you said. I don't understand that. Does the foil do something to the heroin?

It gets burned off somehow and they 'smoke' the 'smoke'. Inhale it. I think they burn if off in spoons too.

LOL I have no real idea I'm afraid

Might be worth a Google.

[InOne]

People often start with smoking it 'Chasing the dragon' then for a bigger hit go to injecting. If you carry on with heavy use you will probably come addicted in about 6 months, and basically once you're hooked you're ****ed. Although methadone is a lot harder to come off than heroin.

[Callum]

People often start with smoking it 'Chasing the dragon' then for a bigger hit go to injecting. If you carry on with heavy use you will probably come addicted in about 6 months, and basically once you're hooked you're ****ed. Although methadone is a lot harder to come off than heroin.

Isn't that used as a replacement drug for users who have a heroin addiction?

Yeah the spoon thing confuses me as well. :conf:

[InOne]

Isn't that used as a replacement drug for users who have a heroin addiction?

Yeah the spoon thing confuses me as well. :conf:

Yeah it is, but it's a lot harder to come of, it's kinda weird, people will often dabble with methadone and heroin for years. Like if they can't get the meth, they'd have to go get a score cos they'd be in agony. And the spoon thing is where you head it up to make it liquid so you can put it in the needle to shoot up. Smoking it chills you out, but some people need more and straight into the vein is an instant hit.

[Callum]

Yeah it is, but it's a lot harder to come of, it's kinda weird, people will often dabble with methadone and heroin for years. Like if they can't get the meth, they'd have to go get a score cos they'd be in agony. And the spoon thing is where you head it up to make it liquid so you can put it in the needle to shoot up. Smoking it chills you out, but some people need more and straight into the vein is an instant hit.

So heroin is a solid substance originally and it's turned into a liquid for those who want to inject? Wow, didn't know that. :shocked:

Yeah I read smoking it does less damage for you or something but a lot choose to inject as get more from it.

[InOne]

So heroin is a solid substance originally and it's turned into a liquid for those who want to inject? Wow, didn't know that. :shocked:

Yeah I read smoking it does less damage for you or something but a lot choose to inject as get more from it.

It's not just chavs and that who are addicts either. Chinese opium houses used to be for the upper classes. People from all walks of life become addicts.

[Callum]

It's not just chavs and that who are addicts either. Chinese opium houses used to be for the upper classes. People from all walks of life become addicts.

That's sad. :sad: Is it like one of the most powerful drugs then? That you can get a real good kick from taking?

No offense intended but how do you know all of this - have you been involved with heroin yourself?

[Jessica.]

It looks like a brownish powder in one of its forms, there is also black tar heroin, you heat it and it melts into a liquid, you then pour it into a syringe and inject it. Also you can put it on a spoon/tinfoil and put a flame under it, inhale the smoke as in smoking. It smells kinda spicy.

Horrible drug.

[InOne]

That's sad. :sad: Is it like one of the most powerful drugs then? That you can get a real good kick from taking?

No offense intended but how do you know all of this - have you been involved with heroin yourself?

No lol I've watched loads of docs about heroin, heroin addicts, really good, but really hard hitting sort of thing. I like to educate myself and not just think of them as 'Smack Heads'. And no, i've never done it lol

[Callum]

No lol I've watched loads of docs about heroin, heroin addicts, really good, but really hard hitting sort of thing. I like to educate myself and not just think of them as 'Smack Heads'. And no, i've never done it lol

Ah right, I've tried to watch some of them but just couldn't. I've always had a phobia of needles and seeing people use them to inject themselves with harmful drugs as a lifestyle - I just couldn't stomach it.

I do feel for some users though who have got involved through falling in with wrong crowd etc. because they didn't choose that lifestyle. There needs to be more support for users in my opinion.

[Callum]

It looks like a brownish powder in one of its forms, there is also black tar heroin, you heat it and it melts into a liquid, you then pour it into a syringe and inject it. Also you can put it on a spoon/tinfoil and put a flame under it, inhale the smoke as in smoking. It smells kinda spicy.

Horrible drug.

Oh sounds awful - I take it you've been involved with heroin yourself then?

[Jessica.]

btw I'm not a druggy, wouldn't touch the stuff.

[InOne]

Ah right, I've tried to watch some of them but just couldn't. I've always had a phobia of needles and seeing people use them to inject themselves with harmful drugs as a lifestyle - I just couldn't stomach it.

I do feel for some users though who have got involved through falling in with wrong crowd etc. because they didn't choose that lifestyle. There needs to be more support for users in my opinion.

Indeed, once people hit rock bottom, it's hard to come back.

[Jessica.]

Oh sounds awful - I take it you've been involved with heroin yourself then?

No I just live in a really bad area. Lots of drugs and gang crime.

[Callum]

No I just live in a really bad area. Lots of drugs and gang crime.

Oh right I see, that is sad. Do you plan on moving in the future then?

[Jessica.]

Oh right I see, that is sad. Do you plan on moving in the future then?

Ya hopefully :)
I suppose growing up here has educated me really. I wouldn't even touch a glass of alcohol or smoke a fag.

[Callum]

Indeed, once people hit rock bottom, it's hard to come back.

I can't imagine what's it like for them. There's probably hundreds out there right now living a seemingly normal lifestyle who are addicted to heroin.

Like I said, more support needs to be provided. A lot of drug users tend to be involved with crime and prostitution as well which is even more sad. The key to less crime although of course not entirely is to sort out Britain's ever growing drug problem.

But saying that at least we don't have the problem of prescription drugs addiction over here. In the States, it's always been a big thing. It still does happen here but to a much less extent.

[Callum]

Ya hopefully :)
I suppose growing up here has educated me really. I wouldn't even touch a glass of alcohol or smoke a fag.

That is so good to hear - I've never wanted to smoke ever in my life, haven't had the problem of passive smoking neither as not many people smoke where I live or if they do it's all done behind closed doors. Thankfully, nobody in my family who I see reguarly smoke.

But to be from an area where lots of people smoke/drink etc. and not want to do both because of it - that is so much more of an achievement. :hugesmile:

[Jessica.]

That is so good to hear - I've never wanted to smoke ever in my life, haven't had the problem of passive smoking neither as not many people smoke where I live or if they do it's all done behind closed doors. Thankfully, nobody in my family who I see reguarly smoke.

But to be from an area where lots of people smoke/drink etc. and not want to do both because of it - that is so much more of an achievement. :hugesmile:

:D

[Callum]

:D

Have you seen people on the street taking drugs such as heroin then?

[Jessica.]

Have you seen people on the street taking drugs such as heroin then?

Yes, I have seen E's, Cocaine, Heroin, Hash, Weed and drunks. Also substance abuse Aerosols, Glue, Nail Polish etc..
other stuff to but I can't remember.

[InOne]

I can't imagine what's it like for them. There's probably hundreds out there right now living a seemingly normal lifestyle who are addicted to heroin.

Like I said, more support needs to be provided. A lot of drug users tend to be involved with crime and prostitution as well which is even more sad. The key to less crime although of course not entirely is to sort out Britain's ever growing drug problem.

But saying that at least we don't have the problem of prescription drugs addiction over here. In the States, it's always been a big thing. It still does happen here but to a much less extent.

People like to brush it under the carpet. A sub-culture they like to pretend does not exist. Full of prozzies, pimps ect. There are mant programmes that do help, but it also does have to work both ways, it's gotta depend on how much they really want it and really strong willed they are. Because most likely, they will have been pretty vunerable to get hooked in the first place.

[Callum]

People like to brush it under the carpet. A sub-culture they like to pretend does not exist. Full of prozzies, pimps ect. There are mant programmes that do help, but it also does have to work both ways, it's gotta depend on how much they really want it and really strong willed they are. Because most likely, they will have been pretty vunerable to get hooked in the first place.

That is so true. It's so sad how even though people want help they can't do anything about it because they need the drugs.

[Claymores]

Watch Trainspotting Callum

As part of my 1st degree, the thesis was about the impact of health rehabilitation clinics and government health campaigns. I centred it on exactly the part of Edinburgh that the book and movie were based upon. I soon learned the futility of the folks' situations and why heroin became an almost logical choice when no prospect of employment, no hopes and sod-all to do all day.

Trainspotting tries in it's way to depict the dire situation and hopelessness.

[Callum]

Watch Trainspotting Callum

As part of my 1st degree, the thesis was about the impact of health rehabilitation clinics and government health campaigns. I centred it on exactly the part of Edinburgh that the book and movie were based upon. I soon learned the futility of the folks' situations and why heroin became an almost logical choice when no prospect of employment, no hopes and sod-all to do all day.

Trainspotting tries in it's way to depict the dire situation and hopelessness.

I would but the graphic heroin use would make me feel queasy.

[Claymores]

After a serious operation I was given the medical version of heroin (it's called diamorphine). It just makes you feel sleepy and takes the cares away.

After 3 days the medics stop it as it can become so quicky addictive. I have to admit, ven after 3 days, I was upset when they stopped mainlining me as had to come back into the real world. When I was bored in hospital bed, even when in little pain I'd get them to diamorph me to pass the time/tedium

[InOne]

Ian have you seen that herion doc with the Scottish bloke in? Where he tries some weird African drug to stop it altogether. Also Black Tar Heroin: Dark End Of The Street is one of the most depressing things i've ever watched

[Crimson Dynamo]

Heroin abuse says as much about your mental and social state than anything

[Claymores]

Ian have you seen that herion doc with the Scottish bloke in? Where he tries some weird African drug to stop it altogether. Also Black Tar Heroin: Dark End Of The Street is one of the most depressing things i've ever watched

Aint seen that one I'm afraid. BTW I'm thinking of going to the shops to buy something so that Claymores and InOne can talk daft drunken nonesense again late-nite on same footing :hugesmile:

You're a bad influence!

[Claymores]

Heroin abuse says as much about your mental and social state than anything

Do you end-up seeing white military jumbos heading to Iceland if mainline too much heroin LT?

[InOne]

Aint seen that one I'm afraid. BTW I'm thinking of going to the shops to buy something so that Claymores and InOne can talk daft drunken nonesense again late-nite on same footing :hugesmile:

You're a bad influence!

Why not eh!! lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you end-up seeing white military jumbos heading to Iceland if mainline too much heroin LT?

The 90s were one big needle







man

[Claymores]

The 90s were one big needle







man

Must have been strong sh1t that you were still seeing white military jumbos in 2010

[Lewis.]

Whoah.. Learnt a lot in this thread. Thanks for the information..

[Claymores]

Whoah.. Learnt a lot in this thread. Thanks for the information..

Nothing worth learning - it destroys your life is the quick summary

[Callum]

The documentary Black Tar Heroin was filmed from 1995-1998? So in that case if the users carried on with their junkie lifestyles chances are most of them are now dead?

Sad :sad:

[Lewis.]

Nothing worth learning - it destroys your life is the quick summary

I mean about different ways of taking it. I'm not into drugs and don't really live in a part of the country where they are too much of a problem (Cornwall). I thought, before I saw this thread, that they used to spoon to eat it or something. I know it sounds silly but it's true. Thanks InOne for giving all of this information. I makes me think a lot about people who are addicted to drugs.

[Claymores]

The documentary Black Tar Heroin was filmed from 1995-1998? So in that case if the users carried on with their junkie lifestyles chances are most of them are now dead?

Sad :sad:

Only dead if the addiction led to dangerous criminal activity/murdered by others/overdosed.

Serious users know the limits and can survive to same ripe old age as anyone else..........it's not in itself a killer.

[InOne]

The documentary Black Tar Heroin was filmed from 1995-1998? So in that case if the users carried on with their junkie lifestyles chances are most of them are now dead?

Sad :sad:

I know at least 2 of them are dead.

[Claymores]

I know at least 2 of them are dead.

Dead by the associated activities/infection by using dirty needles?

[Callum]

I know at least 2 of them are dead.


That is so sad. I know this sounds mad but if I had to try one drug I'd choose heroin. Just because I've always thought of it as the worst drug and I have a phobia of needles, it would be a way of facing my fear. Also I'm quite intrigued to know what it feels like when the fluid's inside you.

Would never try it voluntarily though.

[InOne]

Dead by the associated activities/infection by using dirty needles?

Well one was a Prostitute and think was murdered, she also had aids. The other guy was seriously messed up and kept trying to kill himself, in the end I think he OD'd.

[InOne]

That is so sad. I know this sounds mad but if I had to try one drug I'd choose heroin. Just because I've always thought of it as the worst drug and I have a phobia of needles, it would be a way of facing my fear. Also I'm quite intrigued to know what it feels like when the fluid's inside you.

Would never try it voluntarily though.

I'd imagine it would be a pretty good feeling. The closest i've come to trying it is morphine.

[Claymores]

That is so sad. I know this sounds mad but if I had to try one drug I'd choose heroin. Just because I've always thought of it as the worst drug and I have a phobia of needles, it would be a way of facing my fear. Also I'm quite intrigued to know what it feels like when the fluid's inside you.

Would never try it voluntarily though.

Read above Callum - altho I've never taken heroin I've had the medical version. It makes you feel sleepy and dream-like, and the passage of time just disappears. Takes the cares of the world away. I tried to watch an episode of Star Trek while high on diamoprhine - it seemed to me the whole thing was in Klingon and I wanted subtitles.

Also, as with most problem drugs such as nicotine, the withdrawal is the part that excites the brain to want more. Addicts do not experience the same 'hit' over time, but rather the feeling of 'normality' when their level is restored.

[Callum]

Read above Callum - altho I've never taken heroin I've had the medical version. It makes you feel sleepy and dream-like, and the passage of time just disappears. Takes the cares of the world away. I tried to watch an episode of Star Trek while high on diamoprhine - it seemed to me the whole thing was in Klingon and I wanted subtitles.

Also, as with most problem drugs such as nicotine, the withdrawal is the part that excites the brain to want more. Addicts do not experience the same 'hit' over time, but rather the feeling of 'normality' when their level is restored.

How can you get diamorphine?

[Shaun]

Yeah I kinda have negative views about it for obvious reasons.

[Claymores]

How can you get diamorphine?

Get seriously ill/an organ removed as cancerous - not one of my top recommendations to try Callum, but the medical profession will mainline you for 3 days (means they put a plug into your upper arm and so can just screw on the syringe body rather than finding a vein to inject you each time)