Hung Parliament...

[Shaun]

Which situation would you rather see?

[Spike]

Lib Lab coalition, it could work rather well. I couldn't see a Lib-Con coalition working
However I think Cameron will be PM by the end of the day

[arista]

Lib Lab coalition, it could work rather well. I couldn't see a Lib-Con coalition
However I think Cameron will be PM by the end of the day


Spike tell the Truth


LibDens will not work with Un Elected PM One Eyed Scottish Brown

[King Gizzard]

Spike tell the Truth


LibDens will not work with Un Elected PM One Eyed Scottish Brown

And how exactly do you know that?

They could strike a deal, get a few lib dem mps into the cabinet and some of LibDems ideas used. Its not entirely possible, and far more possible then a Con-Lib coalition

[Stephanie]

lib/con.

[Jayson]

Lib/lab

[CaraRawr]

lib/con.

[arista]

And how exactly do you know that?

They could strike a deal, get a few lib dem mps into the cabinet and some of LibDems ideas used. Its not entirely possible, and far more possible then a Con-Lib coalition



One Eyed Scottish Brown has No Mandate
he is now a Temp.

[Spike]

Spike tell the Truth


LibDens will not work with Un Elected PM One Eyed Scottish Brown

You're getting repetitive.
Don't pass what you want to happen off as fact!

[arista]

You're getting repetitive.
Don't pass what you want to happen off as fact!


Thats what you keep doing.

Your PM has lost his Mandate.

[Spike]

Thats what you keep doing.

Your PM has lost his Mandate.

You point out in my post where I passed something off as fact and lied. You can't! I said a Lib-Lab coalition could work rather well and that I don't think a Lib-Con coalition would work very well.
What is wrong with what I said?
You are the one saying the Lib Dems wont back Labour like its a fact

[arista]

You point out in my post where I passed something off as fact and lied. You can't! I said a Lib-Lab coalition could work rather well and that I don't think a Lib-Con coalition would work very well.
What is wrong with what I said?
You are the one saying the Lib Dems wont back Labour like its a fact


I have said what LibDems have said


Clegg said it himself.

[Spike]

I have said what LibDems have said


Clegg said it himself.

He hasn't said that at all. If you look at the words closely he has used then he has left all the options open. It would be silly to rule out either possibility right now.

[arista]

He hasn't said that at all. If you look at the words closely he has used then he has left all the options open. It would be silly to rule out either possibility right now.


He said it on a TV Interview. Andrew Marr.



It is Your PM Brown - that is the Whole Problem.

[Harry!]

Lib/Con

I dont want Labour in power in any shape or form!

[Spike]

He said it on a TV Interview. Andrew Marr.



It is Your PM Brown - that is the Whole Problem.

I know the interview, and if you look at the words used it leaves Clegg very open.

[arista]

I know the interview, and if you look at the words used it leaves Clegg very open.



Brown has No Mandate
That Matters.


Conservatives have the Most Votes.

[Spike]

Brown has No Mandate
That Matters.


Conservatives have the Most Votes.

Yes but Brown, like it or not, is in his right to try and form a government first because Cameron failed to win a majority.

[*mazedsalv**]

Lib/Con I guess.

[arista]

Yes but Brown, like it or not, is in his right to try and form a government first because Cameron failed to win a majority.


We have to see what that One Eyed Scottish Brown does.

Conservatives have Increased in so many places
their number should go up a bit more,
but not enough.


New Labour has Lost so many seats.
And Hanged onto to some , of course.

In Scotland New Labour did well.



Clegg , meanwhile will have private talks with Conservative and New Labour.

[arista]

Lib/Con I guess.



Yes that would be more Fair
Sine One Eyed Scottish Brown lost his Mandate.


The Public want Him Gone.

[Stacey.]

Lib/Lab.
does this mean no-one has won?

[ange7]

You're getting repetitive.
Don't pass what you want to happen off as fact!
lol he was repetitive 12 months ago ... now it's just spamy

[Beastie]

Liberal and Conservative Coalition.

[Crimson Dynamo]

all this lib and lab stuff is like one long fanny pad thread

[BB_Eye]

all this lib and lab stuff is like one long fanny pad thread

:joker:

I am hoping for electoral reform to be pushed through, by any means necessary. I have no problem with Clegg co-operating with the Labour party and don't think it will make him a hypocrite (he is a hypocrite anyway) so long as it means the Tories don't have carte blanche in creating legislation... which may make the referendum I'm hoping for impossible.

[ange7]

:joker:

I am hoping for electoral reform to be pushed through, by any means necessary. I have no problem with Clegg co-operating with the Labour party and don't think it will make him a hypocrite (he is a hypocrite anyway) so long as it means the Tories don't have carte blanche in creating legislation... which may make the referendum I'm hoping for impossible.
what referendum question are you hoping for?

[BB_Eye]

what referendum question are you hoping for?

Electoral reform, replacing First Past the Post with Proportional Representation. I'm tired of my vote not counting.

[ange7]

Electoral reform, replacing First Past the Post with Proportional Representation. I'm tired of my vote not counting.
oh ... like the Greek or Italian system? not good dude. And your equally likely to feel as though your vote didn't count. That's democracy mate ... just because your choice didn't win doesn't mean your vote was wasted.

[Chels]

lib/lab

[Enid]

Lib/Lab

****ers. Conservative are winning more seats.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/

[BB_Eye]

oh ... like the Greek or Italian system? not good dude. And your equally likely to feel as though your vote didn't count. That's democracy mate ... just because your choice didn't win doesn't mean your vote was wasted.

Tell that to someone who lives in a 70% Labour stronghold with a small population. I simply don't like...

1. My vote being rendered null and void when it comes to deciding the ruling party or even the main opposition.

2. Having no opportunity to vote for an independent candidate when I still have misgivings about the policies of all three main parties.

3. The electorate being consigned to tactical voting as a means to an end as opposed to voting for the party which actually represents their ideology.

Don't get me wrong, I recognise the weaknesses of PR and not every MP will an accurate representation of the the interests of their constituents, but at a national level, it the more democratic system.

Plus, anyone can draw comparisons to other countries with different political systems. What about the US and the failure the electoral college system which gave Bush an extremely dubious victory in 2000? I just think PR would work for the UK and believe a referendum would show that I am not the only one.

[Enid]

http://infobeautiful.s3.amazonaws.com/leftright_EU_1416.gif

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lib/Lab/other progressive parties joined together...Libs and Cons are quite removed idealogicaly for it to work unless the Tories are going to do some major bending over

[BB_Eye]

Lol, that ludicrously oversimplified view of left and right on the poster made me think how much of a stereotypical boring conservative my dad is.

[Callum]

Lib/con

[Crimson Dynamo]

I remember once there was a Dung Parliament

whooeeee

that baby stunk

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Lib/lab

[Lucy.]

Lib/Lab definantly but unfortunately I think Clegg is edging towards Cameron :'(

[Angus]

If it takes an overall majority of 326 seats to govern, then a Lab/Lib coalition won't wash, since together they will have only 315 seats. A Con/Lib coalition will give an overall majority of 363 seats which will provide an effective government.

Therefore if a Lab/Lib coalition is still only a minority government, then Cameron has more right to govern as such already. END OF.

[Scarlett.]

Lib/Lab

[Lucy.]

If it takes an overall majority of 326 seats to govern, then a Lab/Lib coalition won't wash, since together they will have only 315 seats. A Con/Lib coalition will give an overall majority of 363 seats which will provide an effective government.

Therefore if a Lab/Lib coalition is still only a minority government, then Cameron has more right to govern as such already. END OF.

Funny how I got told off for 'END OF' yesterday. That isn't true anyway, they could fill the extra seats with another minority party.

[Tom4784]

Lib/Lab

[arista]

Lib/Lab


Dezzy
They do not even have Enough seats. (united)



Thats Why
David and Nick are in Talks

[Braden]

Lib/Lab.

I want the green party to win at heart though.

[arista]

Lib/Lab.

I want the green party to win at heart though.



Labour Lost
They are to be Kicked Out of Power
by David and Nick
who are Now in Official Talks

[Tom4784]

Dezzy
They do not even have Enough seats. (united)



Thats Why
David and Nick are in Talks

Yeah that's nice Arista, Here's a ball go fetch!

[Spike]

Lib/Lab/other progressive parties joined together...Libs and Cons are quite removed idealogicaly for it to work unless the Tories are going to do some major bending over

I think Cameron would try and go the extra step to get the Lib Dem support but it will take some convincing the rest of his party, especially those to the right, to give in to the Lib Dems.
I just can't see it happening and if it does I wouldn't expect it to last more than 6months

[Scarlett.]

Conservatives technically lost too, since they didnt manage to get a majority

http://phoenixdiversions.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/david_cameron_fail.jpg

[Firewire]

Lib/Lab

[Jack_]

Have you always been a Conservative voter, arista?

Electoral reform + new election, but I'll definitely settle for a Lib/Con coalition, provided, at the very least, a referendum on electoral reform is granted.

[Shaun]

Conservatives technically lost too, since they didnt manage to get a majority

http://phoenixdiversions.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/david_cameron_fail.jpg

I'd like to know in what kind of world gaining 97 seats is deemed a failure?

[Scarlett.]

I'd like to know in what kind of world gaining 97 seats is deemed a failure?

The part where they failed to get a majority, therefore not becoming the new leaders of the United Kingdom

[arista]

"Conservatives technically lost too, since they didnt manage to get a majority"

But they Got the Most Seats.


New Labour Lost as they lost so many seats.

[Shaun]

The part where they failed to get a majority, therefore not becoming the new leaders of the United Kingdom

By 20 seats...mmkay then.

[arista]

The part where they failed to get a majority, therefore not becoming the new leaders of the United Kingdom


Sure but only 20 seats more needed
And Nick is Helping there.


So they Will be Bigger than any other Party after this Deal.

[Vicky.]

Lib/Lab.

[Scarlett.]

"Conservatives technically lost too, since they didnt manage to get a majority"

But they Got the Most Seats.


New Labour Lost as they lost so many seats.

Yeah, but they didnt get the majority of seats, they fell short of getting the amount of seats needed, hence them not leading the country

[Scarlett.]

By 20 seats...mmkay then.

Oh well dammit, I must be wrong, the Tories must have won and Mr. Cameron is in Downing Street right now serving the country as Prime Minister, sorry for that mistake there!

[arista]

Yeah, but they didnt get the majority of seats, they fell short of getting the amount of seats needed, hence them not leading the country


Yes but that is to be Changed under a Nick and David Deal.


New Labour Fell Well Short.

[arista]

Oh well dammit, I must be wrong, the Tories must have won and Mr. Cameron is in Downing Street right now serving the country as Prime Minister, sorry for that mistake there!



He will be soon


Due to Talks with Nick.

[Scarlett.]

Yes but that is to be Changed under a Nick and David Deal.


New Labour Fell Well Short.

Yes, it will be decided in a back room, so much for democracy

[arista]

Yes, it will be decided in a back room, so much for democracy



yes but better than
New Labour.

[Shaun]

Oh well dammit, I must be wrong, the Tories must have won and Mr. Cameron is in Downing Street right now serving the country as Prime Minister, sorry for that mistake there!

Remind me to quote that in a week.

[Scarlett.]

I will, but what does that prove? Nothing really, since they technically lost, note the word technically, and not the world literally

[Angus]

Lib/Lab.

Lib/Lab = 315 seats (still not enough for an overall majority so what assortment of "other" parties would want to get in bed with Brown & Co?)
Lib/Con = 363 seats - overall majority

[arista]

Lib/Lab.


Vicky not enough seats,
so No such Pact.

[arista]

Lib/Lab = 315 seats (still not enough for an overall majority so what assortment of "other" parties would want to get in bed with Brown & Co?)
Lib/Con = 363 seats - overall majority




Bang On Right Angus

[Angus]

Funny how I got told off for 'END OF' yesterday. That isn't true anyway, they could fill the extra seats with another minority party.


Since my conclusions are axiomatic "end of" is appropriate, whereas your attempting to end an argument when you were unable to provide any evidence for your views was inappropriate.

As for filling the extra seats with another minority party, you need to be talking in plural here, since it would take at least two other parties to get up to an overall majority. How would that work in practice, four (maybe more) different parties trying to get through legislation and govern the country? Dream on.

[Shasown]

Since my conclusions are axiomatic "end of" is appropriate, whereas your attempting to end an argument when you were unable to provide any evidence for your views was inappropriate.

As for filling the extra seats with another minority party, you need to be talking in plural here, since it would take at least two other parties to get up to an overall majority. How would that work in practice, four (maybe more) different parties trying to get through legislation and govern the country? Dream on.

The other minor little problem is that sort of coalition only needs one defeat in the House of Commons, or a vote of no confidence going against the government and they are out, Cameron then gets the keys to 10 Downing Street, Gordon gets evicted.

Imagine trying to make sure the policies you want to pass are so watered down and filled with amendments to suit all the parties in your coalition. Upset one side and its bye bye.

[ange7]

I'd like to know in what kind of world gaining 97 seats is deemed a failure?
easy...a world where you need 326 seats to claim victory.

[Mystic Mock]

And how exactly do you know that?

They could strike a deal, get a few lib dem mps into the cabinet and some of LibDems ideas used. Its not entirely possible, and far more possible then a Con-Lib coalition

well labour have done crap with england and the rest of britain except scotland no offence.

and lib dems on what ive heard only care about the students so i think liberal torries work better because that can be lib dems policies with other stuff and concervatives have law,imagration and nhs.

and then this country will be fine.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes but Brown, like it or not, is in his right to try and form a government first because Cameron failed to win a majority.

so did brown only cameron should choose who he reforms with anyway his party got the majority vote.

[Mystic Mock]

Conservatives technically lost too, since they didnt manage to get a majority

http://phoenixdiversions.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/david_cameron_fail.jpg

still got more than brown comfortably.

[Scarlett.]

Like I said, he TECHNICALLY lost, that's different from the literally saying "Cameron lost"

[Mystic Mock]

Like I said, he TECHNICALLY lost, that's different from the literally saying "Cameron lost"

but thats why cameron should be in because he should choose who he reforms with it should not be brown leading the country again he got rejected cameron didnt.

[ange7]

Tell that to someone who lives in a 70% Labour stronghold with a small population. I simply don't like...

1. My vote being rendered null and void when it comes to deciding the ruling party or even the main opposition.

2. Having no opportunity to vote for an independent candidate when I still have misgivings about the policies of all three main parties.

3. The electorate being consigned to tactical voting as a means to an end as opposed to voting for the party which actually represents their ideology.

Don't get me wrong, I recognise the weaknesses of PR and not every MP will an accurate representation of the the interests of their constituents, but at a national level, it the more democratic system.

Plus, anyone can draw comparisons to other countries with different political systems. What about the US and the failure the electoral college system which gave Bush an extremely dubious victory in 2000? I just think PR would work for the UK and believe a referendum would show that I am not the only one.
your vote isn't to decide the ruling party nor the pm... it's to decide your local member. 70% in your area voting lab doesn't mean your vote was worthless.... that's democracy.

I'd agree that some reform is needed though. A situation like the libdems getting 23 % of the total vote but only 57 or so seats versus lab getting 29% but 260 seats ..seems stupid.
Why don't you guys get rid of the house of lords and replace it with a proportionally elected senate. The senate ( upper house) would act as check on any new bill from the parliament ( lower house). At election time you'd vote twice... once for the upper house and once for the lower. That's the system here in oz. .... oh and before anyone rubbishes Australia...we didn't has a recession :P

[Tom4784]

I'm hoping that whoever does take No10 that the libdems get a good deal out of it, I'd like to see a fair few of their proposals and policies in action.

[Vicky.]

Lib/Lab = 315 seats (still not enough for an overall majority so what assortment of "other" parties would want to get in bed with Brown & Co?)
Lib/Con = 363 seats - overall majority

Vicky not enough seats,
so No such Pact.


Right...just curious why 2 posters...at the same time decided to pick out MY vote and criticize... take your pick from below of everyone who said the same thing. Just pretty annoying.

And I don't really know how hung parliament works anyways, I voted on what would be my best scenario...

Lib/lab

Lib/Lab.
does this mean no-one has won?

lib/lab

Lib/Lab
[/url]

Lib/Lab/other progressive parties joined together...

Lib/lab

Lib/Lab definantly but unfortunately I think Clegg is edging towards Cameron :'(

Lib/Lab

Lib/Lab

[Tom4784]

Right...just curious why 2 posters...at the same time decided to pick out MY vote and criticize... take your pick from below of everyone who said the same thing. Just pretty annoying.

And I don't really know how hung parliament works anyways, I voted on what would be my best scenario...

Don't take Arista seriously, Talking politics with him is like discussing economics with a budgie.

[ange7]

yeah... they're victimizing you !!!. Why pick on you instead of any of the others.....ban them :P
What's the point of having superduper mod powers if you can't use them now and then.

[Vicky.]

yeah... they're victimizing you !!!. Why pick on you instead of any of the others.....ban them :P
What's the point of having superduper mod powers if you can't use them now and then.

Umm yeah..I didnt mean that, was just curious as to why me thats all...

[Shasown]

your vote isn't to decide the ruling party nor the pm... it's to decide your local member. 70% in your area voting lab doesn't mean your vote was worthless.... that's democracy.

I'd agree that some reform is needed though. A situation like the libdems getting 23 % of the total vote but only 57 or so seats versus lab getting 29% but 260 seats ..seems stupid.
Why don't you guys get rid of the house of lords and replace it with a proportionally elected senate. The senate ( upper house) would act as check on any new bill from the parliament ( lower house). At election time you'd vote twice... once for the upper house and once for the lower. That's the system here in oz. .... oh and before anyone rubbishes Australia...we didn't has a recession :P

True but lets face it, you are a country formed from the criminal rejects of this country and if we hadnt been nice you would still be bowing and scraping to us.

[ange7]

True but lets face it, you are a country formed from the criminal rejects of this country and if we hadnt been nice you would still be bowing and scraping to us.
hehe
oh and hey thanks by the way.
Ps sorry we didn't have room for the posh inbreeds.... but then who would you guys have to vote for :P

[Shasown]

hehe
oh and hey thanks by the way.
Ps sorry we didn't have room for the posh inbreeds.... but then who would you guys have to vote for :P

Hey we would never have sent our posh inbreeds out there, we kept them here for our amusement.

[Ross]

Lib/Lab.

Definately don't want Con.

[Angus]

Right...just curious why 2 posters...at the same time decided to pick out MY vote and criticize... take your pick from below of everyone who said the same thing. Just pretty annoying.

And I don't really know how hung parliament works anyways, I voted on what would be my best scenario...

That was just a coincidence to be honest, not a personal attack at all. It could just as easily have been a response to any of those posts you mention. Just stating the figures really. A Con/Lib coalition could govern effectively because of sheer numbers. A Lab/Lib coalition could not, without getting other parties on board and making further concessions; it would be hard enough compromising one's policies with one other party, never mind with two or three others!

[arista]

Lib/Lab.

Definately don't want Con.


Ross you are Jr.Manager
you are clever

You can do the Maths.


Lib/Lab - Do not Have Enough seats .


David and Nick Do.

So its Out of your hands
and you and your Work Team
will soon have to Embrace the New PM David Cameron
who will have some LibDems in his new team.


Its on Newsnight right now
Saturday Edition.

[arista]

hehe
oh and hey thanks by the way.
Ps sorry we didn't have room for the posh inbreeds.... but then who would you guys have to vote for :P



Posh
or Working class

It Does not Matter here in Our better UK Nation.



Of Course Down Under
Posh means one thing Rich enough to Electric fence
the local buggers out.

[arista]

Don't take Arista seriously, Talking politics with him is like discussing economics with a budgie.


Dezzy


Vicky is a Clever Lady


She does not need you little Silly Jokes
so bugger of to another section.

Unless you are Going to Behave Yourself.

[arista]

yeah... they're victimizing you !!!. Why pick on you instead of any of the others.....ban them :P
What's the point of having superduper mod powers if you can't use them now and then.



Down Under Forum Rules Do Not Work here.


Vicky is Cool.


We do not Ban Posters
for telling the Truth.

[arista]

'Right...just curious why 2 posters...at the same time decided to pick out MY vote and criticize... take your pick from below of everyone who said the same thing. Just pretty annoying.

And I don't really know how hung parliament works anyways, I voted on what would be my best scenario...'


Vicky Millions Voted
you are not alone.

This is the problem
its simple maths

Labour and Lib do not have enough seats
so they can not take over.

Conservative and LibDem do have enough seats.


And Today we have found out that they are both Working it Out.

So David will be our New PM soon.

And some LibDems will be part of the Conservative -LibDem Deal.

Now Enid said she will leave this Nation.

Please Vicky say you will stay
we need you.

[arista]

David and Nick

Met for a Private Meeting today
lasted 70mins.

Source: SkyNewsHD and BBC News

[Vicky.]

:laugh: I will not be leaving, no worries about that

Just not rich enough to benefit from conservatives being in power :(

[Shasown]

:laugh: I will not be leaving, no worries about that

Just not rich enough to benefit from conservatives being in power :(

If they back up their manifesto promises with real action everyone benefits.

You think you are better off under Labour? Look how many stealth taxes they introduced over their term in office. Give with one hand and take twice as much back with hidden taxes.

[Vicky.]

If they back up their manifesto promises with real action everyone benefits.



Cant see that happening to be honest, hopefully they surprise me, but I doubt it.

And as for labour, its kind of a case of better the devil you know...

[King Gizzard]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Dont-blame-me-I-voted-labour/117162241649879?ref=s

Love it

[James]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01632/matt08052010_1632314a.jpg

[arista]

:laugh: I will not be leaving, no worries about that

Just not rich enough to benefit from conservatives being in power :(



This is Not about Wealth.

Both David and Nick are going to help
this Country.


Its Not Just Conservative Now
It is a LibDem And Conservative

Things Will Get Far Better.

[Lucy.]

It is totally about Wealth, Tories are in it to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.
It makes no sense for Clegg to side with Cons, people who voted Lib voted for leftist policies not right wing!

[King Gizzard]

What are the chances of another election?

That would be best

[arista]

What are the chances of another election?

That would be best


In around 5 years or so.



And Lucy
Clegg Hates Brown.

[Lucy.]

In around 5 years or so.



And Lucy
Clegg Hates Brown.

They might be redoing the election in a year.
& How do you know, are you close personal friends with him?

[Shasown]

Cant see that happening to be honest, hopefully they surprise me, but I doubt it.

And as for labour, its kind of a case of better the devil you know...

Yes of course it is, Before Labour won in 1997 Tony Blair initially promised not to raise Income Tax, he then went even further to state "We have no plans to increase taxes at all."

In 2005 the Institute of Fiscal Studies published a report stating that since Labour were elected and up until 2005 they had introduced 157 stealth taxes.

An example of a Stealth Tax would be: when VAT was temporarily reduced to 15%, Chancellor Darling added 2% duty to fuel to offset the reduction in tax collected from motorists. Now that VAT has been increased to 17.5% again, this hidden tax has not been removed - hence recent rises in fuel costs at your local pump.

The term stealth tax has really only been used since Labour were elected in 97.

So you prefer to being blatantly lied to and robbed blind by Labour?

[Shasown]

What are the chances of another election?

That would be best

Quite high for an election within the next 18 months, better than 50/50

For an election in the next 2-3 months a little less likely probably about 10- 20% chance, depends on how much Cameron/Clegg are willing to compromise the ideals of their respective parties. Or how much any of the leaders are prepared to go back to the electorate and blame the other leaders for having another election.

[arista]

They might be redoing the election in a year.
& How do you know, are you close personal friends with him?


it is on the TVnews

Brown Phoned Clegg

They had a Big Row.



So Embrace Our New PM soon
David Cameron.

[cupid stunt]

they shud have a triple threat match and whoever wins gets to be prime minister :joker: my moneys on clegg :laugh:

[Vicky.]

they shud have a triple threat match and whoever wins gets to be prime minister :joker: my moneys on clegg :laugh:

That made me actually LOL at the though of it :D

thebeast will be drooling thinking about that now :p

[cupid stunt]

That made me actually LOL at the though of it :D

thebeast will be drooling thinking about that now :p

lol imagine how much money they cud make off tickets, do it at wembley and no one wud ever have 2 pay taxes again:joker: