Cameron should just ditch Clegg...

[Angus]

and form a minority government which is his right. If Clegg wants to faff around after today demanding this and that when his party's policies clearly didn't jive with the public, Cameron should just get on with it. Yes, there will be a general election again soon, but better that than this ridiculous indecision and unseemly horsetrading.

Cameron IS the incumbent Prime Minister, so someone drag that squatter out of No. 10 so we can get on with being governed.

[arista]

and form a minority government which is his right. If Clegg wants to faff around after today demanding this and that when his party's policies clearly didn't jive with the public, Cameron should just get on with it. Yes, there will be a general election again soon, but better that than this ridiculous indecision and unseemly horsetrading.

Cameron IS the incumbent Prime Minister, so someone drag that squatter out of No. 10 so we can get on with being governed.


No he will Not
as the High Numbers of Seats for Conservative -LibDem
will make the Next Five years Good.


The Deal is nearly done.

No Way would David give up on the Sure way of being PM.

[Angus]

No he will Not
as the High Numbers of Seats for Conservative -LibDem
will make the Next Five years Good.


The Deal is nearly done.

No Way would David give up on the Sure way of being PM.

I want Dave as PM too, but I am sick of watching Cleggy boy calling the shots, and I do not want too many concessions given to a party who were onlyable to win 57 seat throughout the entire country. Clegg won't ally himself to Labour because he is not so stupid as to trust a bunch of bandits who will say and do anything to cling onto power and then renege. Nor does he want to cosy up to a party that has clearly lost the trust and respect of the people of this country, because the terms of such a coalition were that there would be a new Leader of the Labour Party and the GBP will NOT tolerate having another UNELECTED PM thrust upon us without another General Election.

I would rather Cameron tell Clegg the score and he can take it or leave it. I am more inclined to Tebbit's view that Cameron should just go it alone. A second General Election is inevitable regardless, so at least Cameron as PM of a minority government can push through a lot of reforms that do not require a commons vote. Never mind whether the LibDems back a coalition - it is looking increasingly likely that many Tories do NOT.

I do not want to see conservative policies watered down or compromised, I didn't vote for that.

[arista]

But that is the Only way David will be PM


Some LibDem will be part of Conservative.

Both are United.

The Highest Votes were Conservative
so he is Elected.


Sure NewDead Labour will not like it
Tough Titty.

[Angus]

But that is the Only way David will be PM


Some LibDem will be part of Conservative.

Both are United.

The Highest Votes were Conservative
so he is Elected.


Sure NewDead Labour will not like it
Tough Titty.


It appears that Dave has internal party opposition to this deal, so it is not just about whether Clegg's lot agree, Dave has to get the Tories on board as well. Cameron is to meet with Tory MPs at Westminster tomorrow to talk through the implications of any proposed deal. Any watering down, for instance, of the Tory stance on Europe will not go down well with the party or its supporters, as its one of the key issues I voted on, nor will any talk of giving amnesty to illegal immigrants, a key loony LibDem promise. Power at ANY price is Labour's mantra, not the Conservative's.

I am not worried about Brown - he is finished, dead in the water, and Labour cannot impose a new PM on us without another General Election - I am now getting concerned about a tiny minority party holding the balance of power on so many crucial issues.

[arista]

It should all be over soon.


So all this Concern is not needed.

[Angus]

It should all be over soon.


So all this Concern is not needed.

Sorry, I think concern is needed to ensure the Conservatives, who won the MOST amount of seats are not fettered and constrained by unreasonable demands from a minority left wing party from doing the job they were voted in to do. If the deal is reasonable, fair enough, but Dave has to be careful not to alienate his core supporters or the party will be punished at the ballot box next time. If he makes too many concessions he could be in danger of a vote of no confidence himself since the voters want to see predominantly CONSERVATIVE policies implemented, not half baked LibDem ones.

Here's hoping it does all work out since this indecision is costing the country millions and undermining our credibility on the world stage.

[Tom4784]

The only way I'll accept the Tories running things is if they've got the Libdems holding their hands so we don't get a repeat of the 80's.

[arista]

The only way I'll accept the Tories running things is if they've got the Libdems holding their hands.



You Kinky Devil.

[Beastie]

Cameron needs Clegg. Clegg needs Cameron.

[Angus]

The only way I'll accept the Tories running things is if they've got the Libdems holding their hands so we don't get a repeat of the 80's.

Funny I'm looking forward to a repeat of the 80s.

[Tom4784]

Funny I'm looking forward to a repeat of the 80s.

Depends on which side of the fence you are, let's face it they're already planning on cutting money from the public sector so they're not showing much gratitude towards the lower classes, it's all sunshine and flowers if you're upper middle class though.

Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though.

[arista]

"Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though. "


Yes Dezzy nothing wrong with that at all.

Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron.

[Angus]

Depends on which side of the fence you are, let's face it they're already planning on cutting money from the public sector so they're not showing much gratitude towards the lower classes, it's all sunshine and flowers if you're upper middle class though.

Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though.

Nope I'm working class through and through, and I think it's time that public sector spending was reigned in as it has got out of control under New Labour. Prune back the bureacracy and state interference, and divert resources to where they are needed most. Take back control of our borders and allocate our limited resources more fairly. It's not rocket science, just common sense and good housekeeping, living within one's budget, not borrowing money you can't afford to pay back, like New Labour have been doing for years.

Encourage self sufficiency and independence for those capable of it, and look after and provide for those who REALLY need help, not the feckless and workshy who think they are entitled to be supported from cradle to grave.

[Beastie]

"Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though. "


Yes Dezzy nothing wrong with that at all.

Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron.

Bliss!!!!

:elephant:

[Tom4784]

Nope I'm working class through and through, and I think it's time that public sector spending was reigned in as it has got out of control under New Labour. Prune back the bureacracy and state interference, and divert resources to where they are needed most. Take back control of our borders and allocate our limited resources more fairly. It's not rocket science, just common sense and good housekeeping, living within one's budget, not borrowing money you can't afford to pay back, like New Labour have been doing for years.

Encourage self sufficiency and independence for those capable of it, and look after and provide for those who REALLY need help, not the feckless and workshy who think they are entitled to be supported from cradle to grave.

The thing with public sector money though is it's not just about the dole, what about the people that need help? People with disabilities, carers, the elderly ETC. There's a lot of people in need going without WITH the extra money involved it's just gonna get worse if you cut public budgets. With the workshy it's just a matter of putting more controls in place, I like the idea that if you're on the dole for a certain length of time then you have to do community service to pay your way in a sense.

I can definitely see your point and I agree that people who can be, need to be more independent but I don't think cutting budgets is the way.

[Tom4784]

"Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though. "


Yes Dezzy nothing wrong with that at all.

Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron.

We'll probably get the chance to boot him out soon enough when the coalition breaks down though.

[arista]

We'll probably get the chance to boot him out soon enough when the coalition breaks down though.


Dream On.

[Angus]

The thing with public sector money though is it's not just about the dole, what about the people that need help? People with disabilities, carers, the elderly ETC. There's a lot of people in need going without WITH the extra money involved it's just gonna get worse if you cut public budgets. With the workshy it's just a matter of putting more controls in place, I like the idea that if you're on the dole for a certain length of time then you have to do community service to pay your way in a sense.

I can definitely see your point and I agree that people who can be, need to be more independent but I don't think cutting budgets is the way.

I totally believe that those who really NEED help should always get it -but at the moment we have a welfare system that rewards the undeserving, and is open to fraud and abuse. The eldlerly in this country are sidelined all the time in favour of the likes of feckless single mothers and workshy loafers. There are committees for this, quangos for that and all the time the bureaucracy increases, until there are more managers than bloody workers in some cases. The NHS is a case in point - where standards have fallen dramatically whilst costs have risen exponentially.

There are ways of pruning the deadwood from the Welfare State and the NHS which would free up resources to finance those areas that really need it. It is not always necessary to implement cuts, just restructure and divert resources more critically.

[ange7]

"Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron. "
ewww ... do you have his pic on your phone as a screensaver? DO you love him? Do you WANT him?

[Tom4784]

Dream On.

Let's face it if Labour gets someone half decent to replace Gordon Brown then Cameron's *****ed, he's only there because he is the only realistic option.

[Angus]

Let's face it if Labour gets someone half decent to replace Gordon Brown then Cameron's *****ed, he's only there because he is the only realistic option.

It doesn't alter the fact that Labour LOST the election. If the best that Labour have got is Milliband or Harman, then I don't think the Tories will be quaking in their boots!

[Beastie]

"Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron. "
ewww ... do you have his pic on your phone as a screensaver? DO you love him? Do you WANT him?

Yeah him and Nick Clegg would be worth a shag!

[Tom4784]

I totally believe that those who really NEED help should always get it -but at the moment we have a welfare system that rewards the undeserving, and is open to fraud and abuse. The eldlerly in this country are sidelined all the time in favour of the likes of feckless single mothers and workshy loafers. There are committees for this, quangos for that and all the time the bureaucracy increases, until there are more managers than bloody workers in some cases. The NHS is a case in point - where standards have fallen dramatically whilst costs have risen exponentially.

There are ways of pruning the deadwood from the Welfare State and the NHS which would free up resources to finance those areas that really need it. It is not always necessary to implement cuts, just restructure and divert resources more critically.

I agree, we need restructuring a lot more then we need cuts. The problem with cutting the budget is that it won't solve the problem of Dole dossers, it'll only limit the money for people who legitimately need it. With restructuring though processes and methods could be put in place to weed out the undeserving and then maybe cuts can be applied IF it can be afforded.

[arista]

"Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron. "
ewww ... do you have his pic on your phone as a screensaver? DO you love him? Do you WANT him?


No I Respect Him


Embrace means Welcome in a Warm Way


I guess Down Under its all
' Hey Shirley get the Barbie on you dog'

Your in a New Nation we put the
Criminals of Our Empire down there
you must come from something close to that in some way.


Bliss.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

The only way I'll accept the Tories running things is if they've got the Libdems holding their hands so we don't get a repeat of the 80's.
Well said Dezzy i totally agree with you on this one, i really cant stand the Tories, but if they go into collision(SP) with Lib Dems, the Tories will have to listen to some of there policy(SP) so it wont be a whole Tory goverment, like the 80s.

[Tom4784]

It doesn't alter the fact that Labour LOST the election. If the best that Labour have got is Milliband or Harman, then I don't think the Tories will be quaking in their boots!

I dunno, the public had no faith in Brown rather then Labour and I think Conservatives would struggle to mantain their position if someone like Milliband takes over who from what I gather is meant to be quite a popular choice from within the party. The thing is even with a lack of faith in Labour there was still only a few seats in it, the Conservatives only got as many as they did because they were the alternate choice to Brown.

Unless the Tories go against character and manage to keep the lower classes satisfied then they won't remain at 10 for long I think.

[ange7]

Yeah him and Nick Clegg would be worth a shag!
it hasn't come to that has it? :P

[Angus]

I agree, we need restructuring a lot more then we need cuts. The problem with cutting the budget is that it won't solve the problem of Dole dossers, it'll only limit the money for people who legitimately need it. With restructuring though processes and methods could be put in place to weed out the undeserving and then maybe cuts can be applied IF it can be afforded.

This is what I don't understand about New Labour - they have had 13 years in which to address this very problem and yet they have done nothing constructive, in fact they have demonised and penalised soft targets like the disabled, making them jump through hoops for help. They have done little to combat fraud and abuse of the system because they have lost track of how many illegal immigrants our lax border controls have allowed into this country to claim benefits under false names. Instead Labour's answer is to just keep borrowing more and more money to throw at the problem.

[ange7]

Milliband new pm in 12 months
I called it!

[ange7]

No I Respect Him


Embrace means Welcome in a Warm Way


I guess Down Under its all
' Hey Shirley get the Barbie on you dog'

Your in a New Nation we put the
Criminals of Our Empire down there
you must come from something close to that in some way.


Bliss.
"' Hey Shirley get the Barbie on you dog'"
maahahaha

and in the UK it's
"aww immigrants are taking my job ... that I never ever had nor would know what to do with". :P

[Angus]

I dunno, the public had no faith in Brown rather then Labour and I think Conservatives would struggle to mantain their position if someone like Milliband takes over who from what I gather is meant to be quite a popular choice from within the party. The thing is even with a lack of faith in Labour there was still only a few seats in it, the Conservatives only got as many as they did because they were the alternate choice to Brown.

Unless the Tories go against character and manage to keep the lower classes satisfied then they won't remain at 10 for long I think.

No, the Lib/Dems were also a choice but they, too, didn't do well since the GBP clearly voted for a party that was NOT just a watered down version of New Labour. As for the Oxbridge graduate Milliband, he might well be a popular choice WITHIN the party, cos let's face it they haven't many to choose from have they, but that doesn't necessarily translate into votes with the GBP.

As for keeping the "lower classes" satisfied, weren't Labour supposed to be doing that and look where it got them on polling day? These days everybody is aspirational and certainly don't view themselves as the "lower" classes. I might be working class, but I am NOT lower class, and I completely espouse Tory ideology of self reliance, independence and aspiration, not the New Labour ideology of reliance on the state, and abdication of responsibility for oneself to others.

[arista]

"' Hey Shirley get the Barbie on you dog'"
maahahaha

and in the UK it's
"aww immigrants are taking my job ... that I never ever had nor would know what to do with". :P


That was the New Dead Labour Way
that made a mess of Illegal Migrants.


So it is Good that New Dead Labour
will be gone.

[Tom4784]

No, the Lib/Dems were also a choice but they, too, didn't do well since the GBP clearly voted for a party that was NOT just a watered down version of New Labour. As for the Oxbridge graduate Milliband, he might well be a popular choice WITHIN the party, cos let's face it they haven't many to choose from have they, but that doesn't necessarily translate into votes with the GBP.

I can guarantee you that if Brown wasn't in charge Labour would have probably won outright. The UK doesn't like change, why do you think we had Thatcher and Blair for so long? The Conservatives won purely on them being the only realistic alternative to Brown and I'd bet money that if the next Labour leader is decent then they'll be back in power by the next election.

Even with the Brown effect in full flow the Tories couldn't get an outright victory so that's more telling then anything I can say really.

[Angus]

I can guarantee you that if Brown wasn't in charge Labour would have probably won outright. The UK doesn't like change, why do you think we had Thatcher and Blair for so long? The Conservatives won purely on them being the only realistic alternative to Brown and I'd bet money that if the next Labour leader is decent then they'll be back in power by the next election.

Even with the Brown effect in full flow the Tories couldn't get an outright victory so that's more telling then anything I can say really.

Oh, I agree with you, the choice of leader is crucial to any party, since he or she is the figurehead and the entire party is judged (rightly or wrongly) on how the public perceive the leader. However, I have to disagree with you about Labour being back in power again anytime soon because I believe that now most of the GBP have realised the mess we are in is all down to them.

[arista]

"I'd bet money that if the next Labour leader is decent "


Dezzy it could even be worse
like Man Hater Harmen

http://toryardvaark.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/harman_getty_gal.jpg

[Tom4784]

Oh, I agree with you, the choice of leader is crucial to any party, since he or she is the figurehead and the entire party is judged (rightly or wrongly) on how the public perceive the leader. However, I have to disagree with you about Labour being back in power again anytime soon because I believe that now most of the GBP have realised the mess we are in is all down to them.

The problem is though is that the Tories won't be able to keep it up, they divide opinion too much. They've only got the one seat in Scotland and everywhere else is divided while Labour managed to do quite well considering, generally it has a bigger voting target audience but Brown is what stopped them being elected again.

Old habbits die hard, unless the Tories defy expectation and do really well then they'll struggle when the next election comes around since Labour will be under new leadership. If I'm honest I don't want either in charge but the general public are too predictable.

I'm just hoping the LibDems get a great deal and do what they can before the coalition breaks down.

[arista]

"before the coalition "


Dezzy you Guess and Dream to much.


We still do not know what the Deal is yet.

[Tom4784]

"before the coalition "


Dezzy you Guess and Dream to much.


We still do not know what the Deal is yet.

Let's face it Cameron will want to take the majority in any way he can and the only way that's gonna happen is with a coalition because a minority government wouldn't be in his favour if another election is called. He'll want to take control and earn the public's favour properly as he has relied on trashing Gordon Brown as his main election tactic rather then anything else.

I'd say something about you Aristabot but there's too much I wouldn't know where to begin so how about instead you go and make sure you're Firewall is upto scratch. We don't want you catching any malware now do we?

[arista]

"Let's face it Cameron will want to take the majority in any way he can"

Dezzy this is in the interest of the UK Public.
Dave and Nick are acting like Presidents.

[Tom4784]

"Let's face it Cameron will want to take the majority in any way he can"

Dezzy this is in the interest of the UK Public.
Dave and Nick are acting like Presidents.

Yeah and it's in the best interest for the UK to have a mjaority government where actions can be carried out easily.

[arista]

Yeah and it's in the best interest for the UK to have a mjaority government where actions can be carried out easily.


Yes For Sure


Thats why New Dead Labour are not wanted.

[Shasown]

I can guarantee you that if Brown wasn't in charge Labour would have probably won outright. The UK doesn't like change, why do you think we had Thatcher and Blair for so long? The Conservatives won purely on them being the only realistic alternative to Brown and I'd bet money that if the next Labour leader is decent then they'll be back in power by the next election.

Even with the Brown effect in full flow the Tories couldn't get an outright victory so that's more telling then anything I can say really.

Wow, do you really believe that Dezzy? Take over those labour tinted glasses and look at the real truth. The last election the conservatives didnt have effective leadership, they were still a party divided.

This time round people see Labour as the wicked witch of the west. Thats why they lost their sizeable majority.

[Mark]

http://nickbaines.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/david-miliband1.jpg

Englands future lies with this man.

[Angus]

http://nickbaines.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/david-miliband1.jpg

Englands future lies with this man.

So down the toilet then?

[Beastie]

it hasn't come to that has it? :P

:laugh:

[Mark]

Election 2010: What do you Want?

43%
Labour & Lib Dem

24%
Tory & Lib Dems/DUP

33%
Another General Election

Facebook poll with 700,000 votes. Cameron was nothing more than an anti-Brown vote.

[arista]

Englands future lies with this man.



Mark are you saying One Eyed Scottish Brown is gone soon,
as for New Dead Labour
they may prefer many others like Alan Johnson,
since your choice does not want it yet.

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/7-milli-nana-415.jpg

[arista]

Election 2010: What do you Want?

43%
Labour & Lib Dem

24%
Tory & Lib Dems/DUP

33%
Another General Election

Facebook poll with 700,000 votes. Cameron was nothing more than an anti-Brown vote.

Lab-Lib Not enough seats.
so many can not do Maths.


Sign Of The Times.

[Angus]

Election 2010: What do you Want?

43%
Labour & Lib Dem

24%
Tory & Lib Dems/DUP

33%
Another General Election

Facebook poll with 700,000 votes. Cameron was nothing more than an anti-Brown vote.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes the drubbing of Labour easier to bear.

[Beastie]

Election 2010: What do you Want?

43%
Labour & Lib Dem

24%
Tory & Lib Dems/DUP

33%
Another General Election

Facebook poll with 700,000 votes. Cameron was nothing more than an anti-Brown vote.

Facebook is full of people who just "jump on the bandwagon" and most of them are probably "teeny boppers" who joined the groups.. therefore it is false statistics!!

[Mark]

Lab-Lib ended the disaster in 1974, they can do it again. Brown needs to hand over to Milliband so he can be the new face of politics.

[arista]

Lab-Lib ended the disaster in 1974, they can do it again. Brown needs to hand over to Milliband so he can be the new face of politics.


What he needs to do first is go to the Queen.

As for Milliband - what happens if he does not want it yet?
You need others to pick.

Look what went on when Blair gave
it to Brown.

So New Dead Labour need a 10 year rest first

First thing is Getting Our New PM David Cameron into 10 Downing St.


http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/7-milli-nana-415.jpg

[Beastie]

So tomorrow is a pivotal day.. David Cameron will become PM and hopefully we will see the BB11 eye! :)

[Angus]

Lab-Lib ended the disaster in 1974, they can do it again. Brown needs to hand over to Milliband so he can be the new face of politics.

Just to clarify, there was no coalition with the liberals in 1974, though there was briefly a Lib/Lab pact in 1977/78. In 1974 Wilson formed a minority government with 301 seats, after Ted Heath resigned. Wilson went to the country six months later and was returned with a small majority. When Wilson resigned in 1976 Callaghan became leader and just two short years later, we had the winter of discontent, which led to Margaret Thatcher winning the 1979 General Election with an overall majority of 43 seats.

[Angus]

What he needs to do first is go to the Queen.

As for Milliband - what happens if he does not want it yet?
You need others to pick.

Look what went on when Blair gave
it to Brown.

So New Dead Labour need a 10 year rest first

First thing is Getting Our New PM David Cameron into 10 Downing St.


http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/7-milli-nana-415.jpg

According to the Labour rag (The Mirror), David Miliband's brother, Ed Miliband is going to challenge him for the leadership. I shall look forward to a bit of sibling rivalry!

However, the public are not going to tolerate yet another UNELECTED PM being foisted on it by New Labour, who seem to think they can bypass the ballot box on this issue whenever they feel like it. If they try that stunt again, Miliband will suffer the same fate as Brown at the next election. Of course they might just pick Harriet Harman which would guarantee Labour being out in the wilderness for years to come!

[Shasown]

Lab-Lib ended the disaster in 1974, they can do it again. Brown needs to hand over to Milliband so he can be the new face of politics.

Lib Lab pact was in 77 lasted for a year

In 74 there was an election in the Feb, result was a hung parliament, Heath (the sitting PM) had a greater percentage of the votes but less seats than Labour he tried to make a pact with Liberal Leader Jeremy Thorp it fell through. Took a few weeks to sort out but eventually Harold Wilson made a deal with the Ulster Unionists for support and was returned to power. He later called another general election in the October of that year in order to try and gain a majority. He ended up with a majority of three seats.

Wilson retired in 76 due to ill health and James Callaghan (another unelected Labour PM) took over, in 77 following labour defections and Scottish Labour Party breakaway Callaghan actually ran a minority government so made a deal with David Steel leader of the Liberal party.

This ran for a year then fell apart. Labour then sort support from both the SNP and Plaid Cymru, this led to an extension of the Labour administration however following devolution referendums and Labours refusal to push for regional assemblies, the SNP left the coalition. There was then a vote of no confidence and it toppled the government forcing an election in 79, Up steps maggie to the mark and the rest is history.

[Angus]

Lib Lab pact was in 77 lasted for a year

In 74 there was an election in the Feb, result was a hung parliament, Heath (the sitting PM) had a greater percentage of the votes but less seats than Labour he tried to make a pact with Liberal Leader Jeremy Thorp it fell through. Took a few weeks to sort out but eventually Harold Wilson made a deal with the Ulster Unionists for support and was returned to power. He later called another general election in the October of that year in order to try and gain a majority. He ended up with a majority of three seats.

Wilson retired in 76 due to ill health and James Callaghan (another unelected Labour PM) took over, in 77 following labour defections and Scottish Labour Party breakaway Callaghan actually ran a minority government so made a deal with David Steel leader of the Liberal party.

This ran for a year then fell apart. Labour then sort support from both the SNP and Plaid Cymru, this led to an extension of the Labour administration however following devolution referendums and Labours refusal to push for regional assemblies, the SNP left the coalition. There was then a vote of no confidence and it toppled the government forcing an election in 79, Up steps maggie to the mark and the rest is history.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man (or in this case woman)-In my opinion, the best PM since Churchill, and none better since. During the election campaign, Mrs Thatcher said the Conservatives would cut income tax, reduce public expenditure, make it easier for people to buy their own homes and curb the power of the unions. She delivered on all of them.

[Shasown]

Cometh the hour, cometh the man (or in this case woman)-In my opinion, the best PM since Churchill, and none better since. During the election campaign, Mrs Thatcher said the Conservatives would cut income tax, reduce public expenditure, make it easier for people to buy their own homes and curb the power of the unions. She delivered on all of them.

Indeed she did and more, nice wage rises to the troops, a slap around the head to S American Dictatorships etc. and sorted out the economy too. Eased the problems with the balance of Payments and stood up to Europe.

All pretty much effectively undone by Blair and Brown, the laurel and hardy of Politics.

[Tom4784]

Wow, do you really believe that Dezzy? Take over those labour tinted glasses and look at the real truth. The last election the conservatives didnt have effective leadership, they were still a party divided.

This time round people see Labour as the wicked witch of the west. Thats why they lost their sizeable majority.

I'm no fan of labour I'm just saying what will likely happen, like I said before Cameron was an anti-Brown vote not a vote for the Tories. Unless the next few months go well then the Tories are screwed. If it was down to me I'd say screw both and go for the LibDems but Labour has the biggest support really, it was only Brown that hurt them in the votes and even then there were only so many seats in it.

I said it above but the fact that the Tories couldn't get a proper win after the last few years of labour government speaks volumes about the support for them.

[Shasown]

I'm no fan of labour I'm just saying what will likely happen, like I said before Cameron was an anti-Brown vote not a vote for the Tories. Unless the next few months go well then the Tories are screwed. If it was down to me I'd say screw both and go for the LibDems but Labour has the biggest support really, it was only Brown that hurt them in the votes and even then there were only so many seats in it.

I said it above but the fact that the Tories couldn't get a proper win after the last few years of labour government speaks volumes about the support for them.

I will let you into a little secret, if you thought maggie had a bad rep after her time in office, wait till the next election. Whoever ends up in government over the next few months are going to have to make some devastating cuts to the public sector, not just cutting fraud on the nash, they have to lose nearly three quarters of a million no matks in the civil service and raise taxes just to somehow service the debt that labour has put us in. Then anything on top will be a bit of a brucie.

Labour love the fact they are out of power because they know they didnt have to clean up Tony and Gordons mess. Thats one reason why gordons not trying to force a coalition with the Lib Dems or others. The labour party will sit out the next series of cuts etc and look like the heroes riding in on the white horse to dole out lots of allowances to the workshy, relax border controls etc to bring in extra labour voters. Basically to undo all the savings etc the next government will make in its time in office.

Thats basically what Tony and Gordon done when taking over from John Major and co. Thats what they will do again, or they hope to do.

Thats the way UK politics actually works, the tories build up the economy, Labour waste it and then bring the country into debt.

For my next lesson we will look at how Tony Blair tried to instigate Tory policies alongside Labour spending and why he failed.

[cupid stunt]

dizzee shud be da prime minister or maybe wiley

[cupid stunt]

if cameron try cut peoples benefits then man dem gonna be rioting in da hood best believe it

[arista]

if cameron try cut peoples benefits then man dem gonna be rioting in da hood best believe it


"dem da"


It is Illegal to talk Text Gabble on this Forum.
You Dig



It May be a shock to you
but all of them would Cut Money.

[arista]

dizzee shud be da prime minister or maybe wiley


No he has no Wife.

[Angus]

Realistically, only two possible outcomes here, either a workable Con/Libdem coalition or Cameron forms a minority government. Posture as he may Brown is on his own in his desperation to cling to power under any circumstances - his own cabinet want to see the back of him. As for his hopes of a rainbow coalition, it is never going to happen since it would be made up of a bunch of LOSERS who do not have the mandate from the people to govern. What's more, in order to get SNP and Plaid Cymru on board Labour would have to pay them MILLIONS of our money, which Labour have NO RIGHT to do as it is a party political issue and not an issue in the interests of the country.

If Cleggy is going to be awkward and timewaste, Cameron needs to tell him to get lost and then get on and govern the country with a minority,(the Labour Party governed with a minority goverment of only 301 seats after the 1974 election) and then have another General Election in the autumn.

The LibDems have this one and only opportunity to have any say whatsoever in the running of this country, if they don't want to do so, they should p*ss off. One thing is certain LibDems will lose even more seats in the autumn election because next time the people will want to ensure either a Labour or Conservative government is elected with a majority. Funny thing is that even if Labour got ALL the LibDem seats next time around THEY would still not have a majority!!

[Stephanie]

dizzee shud be da prime minister or maybe wiley
dizzee :love:

but no, that would just be utterly stupid.

[cupid stunt]

No he has no Wife.
since when did a politican need 2 have a wife? half of them ****ers are batty boys anyway whether they married or not :joker:

[cupid stunt]

swear down nick clegg needs 2 hurry da **** up then we can finally have coffee shops over here and ppl over 18 can buy ganja wi out bein terrorised by police scum

[xDramatick]

since when did a politican need 2 have a wife? half of them ****ers are batty boys anyway whether they married or not :joker:

when will you learn - homophobic behaviour will not be tolerated on this site.
-sigh-

[arista]

when will you learn - homophobic behaviour will not be tolerated on this site.
-sigh-



Darenn
He will Never Change.



So Give Up or maybe ask James to Ban him
yet again.

[WOMBAI]

I want Dave as PM too, but I am sick of watching Cleggy boy calling the shots, and I do not want too many concessions given to a party who were onlyable to win 57 seat throughout the entire country. Clegg won't ally himself to Labour because he is not so stupid as to trust a bunch of bandits who will say and do anything to cling onto power and then renege. Nor does he want to cosy up to a party that has clearly lost the trust and respect of the people of this country, because the terms of such a coalition were that there would be a new Leader of the Labour Party and the GBP will NOT tolerate having another UNELECTED PM thrust upon us without another General Election.

I would rather Cameron tell Clegg the score and he can take it or leave it. I am more inclined to Tebbit's view that Cameron should just go it alone. A second General Election is inevitable regardless, so at least Cameron as PM of a minority government can push through a lot of reforms that do not require a commons vote. Never mind whether the LibDems back a coalition - it is looking increasingly likely that many Tories do NOT.

I do not want to see conservative policies watered down or compromised, I didn't vote for that.

And no doubt many only voted for Conservative believing Cameron's pledge to work with the Lib Dems - they may well have not voted for an all Tory government - that would go down really well if he reneges on the deal!

[Angus]

And no doubt many only voted for Conservative believing Cameron's pledge to work with the Lib Dems - they may well have not voted for an all Tory government - that would go down really well if he reneges on the deal!

Why on earth would anyone who wanted the Lib Dems in vote conservative in that case? Makes no sense since there was no coalition talk prior to the election (only from Clegg and Brown as far as I recall).

Even if every seat that Clegg won had been won by Labour, they still would not have got enough seats to form anything more than a minority government, which Cameron is already able to do. I say ditch Clegg, form a minority government and call another General Election in the autumn when hopefully we will have a more decisive result.

It is interesting that across the entire nation the Conservatives needed only an additional 16000 votes to win an outright majority. In Bolton West they were just 92 short, and in Ed Balls' constituency they were about 1,000 short of toppling the pompous idiot.

[arista]

No need to Ditch Clegg
they will make use of him to get all the Votes in the house through.


And if Nick plays it OK
he can have some of the Cherry Pie.



But at least
New Dead Labour is going to be small.

[ange7]

http://nickbaines.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/david-miliband1.jpg

Englands future lies with this man.
go milliband. Strangle Brown with those girly man hands.

[ange7]

No need to Ditch Clegg
they will make use of him to get all the Votes in the house through.


And if Nick plays it OK
he can have some of the Cherry Pie.



But at least
New Dead Labour is going to be small.
lib/lab plus welsh and scot nats plus 1 green = 'bliss'

[arista]

lib/lab plus welsh and scot nats plus 1 green = 'bliss'



No.


As Brown did not Win The Election.


You can play any game

But David And Nick are working as One Force
to Keep The UK afloat
and are markets know this.

[barcode]

A few facts need sorting in this debate before it goes any further.

Cameron is not the incumbent Prime Minister. If he was then why isn't he in office?

Cameron has not won the election. It isn't his right to form a government or he would have won 326 or more seats. In a hung parliament, the obligation to form a new government goes to the present PM. As Lib/Con are in talks, Gordon cannot do anything.

If Cameron forms a minority government, he will be an unelected Prime Minister.

angus58, being working class means you are lower class. Accept it.

Finally, I'll leave you Tories with a thought. If the Conservatives were trusted by the public then how can they still not win an election? Four terms on, a very weak Labour, Gordon Brown being the opposition, an economic meltdown, unnecessary war, bad public spending, huge debts, rising crime, dodgy MP expenses and even more, yet the public still don't trust Conservative. If they can't win that election even after having a huge lead to begin with, then their future looks bleak.

[arista]

A few facts need sorting in this debate before it goes any further.

Cameron is not the incumbent Prime Minister. If he was then why isn't he in office?

Cameron has not won the election. It isn't his right to form a government or he would have won 326 or more seats. In a hung parliament, the obligation to form a new government goes to the present PM. As Lib/Con are in talks, Gordon cannot do anything.

If Cameron forms a minority government, he will be an unelected Prime Minister.

angus58, being working class means you are lower class. Accept it.

Finally, I'll leave you Tories with a thought. If the Conservatives were trusted by the public then how can they still not win an election? Four terms on, a very weak Labour, Gordon Brown being the opposition, an economic meltdown, unnecessary war, bad public spending, huge debts, rising crime, dodgy MP expenses and even more, yet the public still don't trust Conservative. If they can't win that election even after having a huge lead to begin with, then their future looks bleak.



Yes they did not Win
David Beat your New Dead Labour Party.


And David and Nick will push
One Eyed Scottish Brown Out
Fact.


You Fecking Lost

[barcode]

Yes they did not Win
But they Beat your New Dead Labour Party.


You Fecking Lost

I didn't state my political bias idiot. It's not Labour.

[arista]

I didn't state my political bias.
It's not Labour.


You do not Have to.

Its David and Nick


or


One Eyed Scottish Brown.


No other Choice.
At this Time.

[Angus]

A few facts need sorting in this debate before it goes any further.

Cameron is not the incumbent Prime Minister. If he was then why isn't he in office?

Cameron has not won the election. It isn't his right to form a government or he would have won 326 or more seats. In a hung parliament, the obligation to form a new government goes to the present PM. As Lib/Con are in talks, Gordon cannot do anything.

If Cameron forms a minority government, he will be an unelected Prime Minister.

angus58, being working class means you are lower class. Accept it.

Finally, I'll leave you Tories with a thought. If the Conservatives were trusted by the public then how can they still not win an election? Four terms on, a very weak Labour, Gordon Brown being the opposition, an economic meltdown, unnecessary war, bad public spending, huge debts, rising crime, dodgy MP expenses and even more, yet the public still don't trust Conservative. If they can't win that election even after having a huge lead to begin with, then their future looks bleak.

No YOU are misinformed. Cameron has every right to form a minority government right NOW if he so wishes. The fact that he is trying for a coalition in order to ensure a majority in the Commons is so that the Tories will be immediately able to push through legislation without having to worry about numbers. Personally I would prefer a minority government till we have another election in the autumn. Better than dealing with smarmy Clegg whose pathetic number of seats, even when added to Labour's haul, still falls short of a majority!

As to being lower class, I have no problem with that if that's how you define working class. It's just that the expression is really so anachronistic and not often heard outside of old episodes of "Upstairs, Downstairs"(Lol).

I reckon we all got the government we voted for (after all looking back to the 1974 election, despite Ted Heath making a right balls up of his term in office, there were only 4 seats in it between him and Wilson when I would have thought it would be a landslide for Labour!). Wilson formed a minority government with 301 seats then went to the country 6 months later and got a small majority. Cameron HAS WON THE MOST SEATS, so get over it. NEW LABOUR ARE DEAD, now we just have to bury them.

I will leave YOU with a thought, NONE of the other parties even came close to the number of seats the Conservatives won, so basically they have the most credible mandate to govern (as a minority) whether you or anyone else likes it or not. The people have effectively told Brown to stuff his party where the sun don't shine, so clearly the Labour Party HAVE lost the trust of the country. Across the nation the Tories needed only 16000 more votes across all of the constituencies to have won an outright majority which is a highly achievable result for the next election. Labour have a mountain to climb, whereas the Tories have a molehill.

[ange7]

A few facts need sorting in this debate before it goes any further.

Cameron is not the incumbent Prime Minister. If he was then why isn't he in office?

Cameron has not won the election. It isn't his right to form a government or he would have won 326 or more seats. In a hung parliament, the obligation to form a new government goes to the present PM. As Lib/Con are in talks, Gordon cannot do anything.

If Cameron forms a minority government, he will be an unelected Prime Minister.

angus58, being working class means you are lower class. Accept it.

Finally, I'll leave you Tories with a thought. If the Conservatives were trusted by the public then how can they still not win an election? Four terms on, a very weak Labour, Gordon Brown being the opposition, an economic meltdown, unnecessary war, bad public spending, huge debts, rising crime, dodgy MP expenses and even more, yet the public still don't trust Conservative. If they can't win that election even after having a huge lead to begin with, then their future looks bleak.
Great points but they are lost on these guys.
Conservatives had a dream run but couldn't win.

[ange7]

No YOU are misinformed. Cameron has every right to form a minority government right NOW if he so wishes. The fact that he is trying for a coalition in order to ensure a majority in the Commons is so that the Tories will be immediately able to push through legislation without having to worry about numbers. Personally I would prefer a minority government till we have another election in the autumn. Better than dealing with smarmy Clegg whose pathetic number of seats, even when added to Labour's haul, still falls short of a majority!

As to being lower class, I have no problem with that if that's how you define working class. It's just that the expression is really so anachronistic and not often heard outside of old episodes of "Upstairs, Downstairs"(Lol).

I reckon we all got the government we voted for (after all looking back to the 1974 election, despite Ted Heath making a right balls up of his term in office, there were only 4 seats in it between him and Wilson when I would have thought it would be a landslide for Labour!). Wilson formed a minority government with 301 seats then went to the country 6 months later and got a small majority. Cameron HAS WON THE MOST SEATS, so get over it. NEW LABOUR ARE DEAD, now we just have to bury them.

I will leave YOU with a thought, NONE of the other parties even came close to the number of seats the Conservatives won, so basically they have the most credible mandate to govern (as a minority) whether you or anyone else likes it or not. The people have effectively told Brown to stuff his party where the sun don't shine, so clearly the Labour Party HAVE lost the trust of the country. Across the nation the Tories needed only 16000 more votes across all of the constituencies to have won an outright majority which is a highly achievable result for the next election. Labour have a mountain to climb, whereas the Tories have a molehill.
"I will leave YOU with a thought"
mahahahaha

let's have it then!! :P

[barcode]

No YOU are misinformed. Cameron has every right to form a minority government right NOW if he so wishes. The fact that he is trying for a coalition in order to ensure a majority in the Commons is so that the Tories will be immediately able to push through legislation without having to worry about numbers. Personally I would prefer a minority government till we have another election in the autumn. Better than dealing with smarmy Clegg whose pathetic number of seats, even when added to Labour's haul, still falls short of a majority!

As to being lower class, I have no problem with that if that's how you define working class. It's just that the expression is really so anachronistic and not often heard outside of old episodes of "Upstairs, Downstairs"(Lol).

I reckon we all got the government we voted for (after all looking back to the 1974 election, despite Ted Heath making a right balls up of his term in office, there were only 4 seats in it between him and Wilson when I would have thought it would be a landslide for Labour!). Wilson formed a minority government with 301 seats then went to the country 6 months later and got a small majority. Cameron HAS WON THE MOST SEATS, so get over it. NEW LABOUR ARE DEAD, now we just have to bury them.

I will leave YOU with a thought, NONE of the other parties even came close to the number of seats the Conservatives won, so basically they have the most credible mandate to govern (as a minority) whether you or anyone else likes it or not. The people have effectively told Brown to stuff his party where the sun don't shine, so clearly the Labour Party HAVE lost the trust of the country. Across the nation the Tories needed only 16000 more votes across all of the constituencies to have won an outright majority which is a highly achievable result for the next election. Labour have a mountain to climb, whereas the Tories have a molehill.

Nobody has WON the election, hence we have a hung parliament. For a party to win, 326 seats are needed. Lib/Con have made an agreement meaning David Cameron is now an UNELECTED PM, just like Brown.

The majority of the latest batch of Conservative voters are anti-Brown. If Labour get a new leader in time for the next election, I wouldn't be so sure Conservative only have a molehill to climb.

It is Brown's right to form a government first but Lib Dems hold the key due to their number of seats; if they are in talks with Conservative them obviously he cannot do anything.

If Labour had 307 seats and Conservative 258 and David Cameron was 'squatting', would you still hold the same views that you do? Of course not.

[arista]

"It is Brown's right to form a government first but Lib Dems hold the key due to their number of seats; if they are in talks with Conservative them obviously he cannot do anything. "


Brown gave Up his Right
by letting David and Nick go first.
Utter Fact.


Case Closed

[ange7]

"It is Brown's right to form a government first but Lib Dems hold the key due to their number of seats; if they are in talks with Conservative them obviously he cannot do anything. "


Brown gave Up his Right
by letting David and Nick go first.
Utter Fact.


Case Closed
what case?
If the deal falls through... then what? Gordon! plus the welsh and scot nats... that's what.
You missed his whole point of cameron having a dream run into those elections but still dropping the ball.

[Angus]

what case?
If the deal falls through... then what? Gordon! plus the welsh and scot nats... that's what.
You missed his whole point of cameron having a dream run into those elections but still dropping the ball.

Tsk tsk, not correct. In order for the Celts to come on board, the Labour Party will have to agree to no spending cuts that affect Scotland, Ireland and Wales which means the whole financial burden would have to fall on the English. Since we heavily subsidise them already there is no way that would be tolerated, particularly as we are also having to support ridiculously increasing numbers of immigrants (both legal and illegal), not all of whom are "contributing positively to the economy" (or anything else) despite what the Labour spin doctors would have us believe. The alternative would be for us English to emigrate in huge numbers to Scotland, Ireland and Wales, and let them house us, feed us and educate us with the money we have sent them over the years, since of course we would all be destitute by then.

However, since such a deal would not be in the national interest, being purely a party political matter to promote the self interest of the Labour Party, this would not happen, as the Labour Gestapo would be unable to justify it to the English.

Happily, instead of that scenario, Cameron will form a minority government (as is his right) whether the Labour gestapo or the impotent LibDems like it or not.

(You can bow to my superior inside knowledge when Cameron moves into No. 10 later this week);)

[arista]

Yes he may Fall Out with double Dealing Clegg now.


But Well Corrupt Dead New Labour
are not moving out.


Riots.

[arista]

And Corrupt Brown
has Stopped a Election for the next 2 months.


This Stinks.

[arista]

Sky News
has just found out Conservatives
have just made a Final New Offer to Clegg
letting the Voting system have a Ref....

[Angus]

Yes he may Fall Out with double Dealing Clegg now.


But Well Corrupt Dead New Labour
are not moving out.


Riots.

After the last election when Blair resigned and handed the leadership to Brown as if it was his to bestow, I remember remarking to my other half that Labour was becoming an unaccountable dictatorship and they would be difficult to remove from power even if they lost, and it sees I am right. They just won't accept they are not wanted, but when has that ever stopped them from doing whatever they want?

Their ideological inspiration comes from communism and we all know how that panned out in Russia with the people in power supposedly there to help the common man, instead helping themselves and becoming tyrants who face down any opposition with muscle.

Labour are now a bunch of arrogant bullies who truly believe they know best for the rest of us whether we agree with them or not, and are determined to impose their will on us.

[Angus]

lib/lab plus welsh and scot nats plus 1 green = 'bliss'

Only 325 seats! Double Bliss:hugesmile:

[Harry!]

Only 325 seats! Double Bliss:hugesmile:

You need 326...

[Angus]

You need 326...

Yes, I know Harry that is what I am pointing out to our Aussie friend who clearly can't add up:hugesmile:

[Harry!]

^

Fine! :)

Please Cameron please join up with Clegg I am more desperate for them to join up then most people at my age (at my school at least). That would be the perfect relationship for me and as I can not vote due to my age it means more to me for them to join up.

Labour failed the country so why would the Lib Dems want to join up with a bunch of failers? Come on for god sake Clegg you know what the country needs join up with the 'winners' of the election Conservatives.

Please. I do not want Labour in power any more!

[Angus]

Things are looking more promising now that there appears to be a referendum on offer to the LibDems. As you say, Clegg would be mad to team up with Labour, a bunch of losers. Personally, I am still hoping Cameron tells Clegg to ***** off, and then forms a minority government. No more concessions, we didn't vote LibDems in, who in fact got a pathetic share of the vote, actually LOSING seats, so they can go peddle their "right on" ideology elsewhere like they have done UNSUCCESSFULLY for the past several decades.