Did the 'Thatcher Revolution' scar the Conservatives?

[thingscanonlygetbetter]

Just another topic that interests me, does anyone thing that the 'thatcher revolution' has damaged the image of the Conservative party? Do you feel that if 'thatcherism' never happened Labour would of lasted for 13 years?

I suppose it's more of a hypothetical question, but I am interested on your views on her reign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vUDrUYTsHQ A good basic and entertaining summary on everything of the 80's... from politics to culture that kind of summarises what she brought, and took, from Britain.

[Shasown]

Wasnt so much the thatcher era if truth be told. but the indecision and sleaze that came after it, with Majors government.

Squeaky clean tony promised a newer type of government, people bought his lies, and elected him, then he introduced spin, suddenly everything bad was Tory, everything good was labour, the electorate bought that too.

All the while Tony and his cronies were engaging in more sleaze than the tories could even have dreamed of. All the while alistair campbell and his spin machine were blaming everything not on the previous Tory government but the one before that.

Thatcher stood up to Europe and ensured we got treated fairly, thats been handed back by Labour. She brought pride back to the country, again its now non PC to be proud to be British, god forbid even English. Inflation she brought down, Balance of payments brought under control, The unions she put back on the leash. Her policies took us out of debt to the IMF as well as all the other debts that had been run up, to putting us back up into the G7.

All been ruined by Blair and Brown.

[arista]

Thatcher Early Years
did the Future ground work
for Evil Warmonger Blair.

Watch the Andrew Marr series in this
he has it right.

[Shaun]

I sometimes wish that everyone would agree Thatcher was a fantastic prime minister. The world would be such a better place for me :(

[Angus]

I sometimes wish that everyone would agree Thatcher was a fantastic prime minister. The world would be such a better place for me :(

Well I agree she was a fantastic prime minister and in fact most of Britain clearly agreed too because she won 3 elections!

[Shasown]

Well I agree she was a fantastic prime minister and in fact most of Britain clearly agreed too because she won 3 elections!

She was not only a fantastic Prime Minister. She was the best PM since Winston Churchill. She managed to reverse the rot of the 70's and made Britain Great again.

[thingscanonlygetbetter]

I like the work of Thatcher too and I'm suprised at the reactions here; there doesn't seem to be to much hate. Yes, she made some problems but people seem to forget Britain before her 'era'.

And arista I love the Andrew Marr series; I have watched it loads. Even though it's not really indepth it's a nice way to look at it all, plus I love the culture elements :hugesmile:

[setanta]

Hate her for obvious reasons, the same way I never took to Churchill either. But yeah, I can see why the two of them were so important to Britain. They pulled you outta the shi%e.

[cupid stunt]

Just another topic that interests me, does anyone thing that the 'thatcher revolution' has damaged the image of the Conservative party? Do you feel that if 'thatcherism' never happened Labour would of lasted for 13 years?

I suppose it's more of a hypothetical question, but I am interested on your views on her reign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vUDrUYTsHQ A good basic and entertaining summary on everything of the 80's... from politics to culture that kind of summarises what she brought, and took, from Britain.

thatcher ****ed this country up 2 rass, none of the mining areas ave recovered since the 80s, she deserves everything wot she gets mate

[Shaun]

Oh, it's back :rolleyes:

[cupid stunt]

Oh, it's back :rolleyes:

who you calling it pal? swear down there 2 many cyber warriors on this ting, if u seen me on road best believe youd be starin at da floor while u walk past man

[Shaun]

Well anything to avoid eye-contact, I'm sure.

[cupid stunt]

Well anything to avoid eye-contact, I'm sure.

thats wot i thought rudeboy KNOW YOURSELF

[Shaun]

CUM ON RUDEBOY BOY can u get it up

[thingscanonlygetbetter]

thatcher ****ed this country up 2 rass, none of the mining areas ave recovered since the 80s, she deserves everything wot she gets mate

I kind of feel the minining closures weren't helped by the strikes though; and I feel as dismissive as it sounds they would be closed within the next decade anyway. I know the huge impact it had, but wasn't it coming at some point?

[Tom4784]

Oh Cupid Stunt, you're like a cartoon.

[Angus]

thatcher ****ed this country up 2 rass, none of the mining areas ave recovered since the 80s, she deserves everything wot she gets mate

Thatcher brought the NUM to heel, and thank goodness stopped those bloody miners digging up coal nobody wanted or needed, just to keep themselves in work. She faced down the unions and her policies on closed shops, flying pickets and strike ballots were never reversed when Labour came to power.
And yes, she does deserve everything she gets, which is massive respect and the many honours heaped on her from all over the world.

Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill, the best Prime Ministers of the last century, and both Conservatives.

[InOne]

Cupid Stunt makes me pmsl

[Lucy.]

Cupid Stunt makes me pmsl

I had noticed! (Seriously guys he's not kidding here) :joker:

[cupid stunt]

Oh Cupid Stunt, you're like a cartoon.

wots this supposed 2 mean pal? tryna call man daffy duck or suttin out eya you know

[cupid stunt]

Thatcher brought the NUM to heel, and thank goodness stopped those bloody miners digging up coal nobody wanted or needed, just to keep themselves in work. She faced down the unions and her policies on closed shops, flying pickets and strike ballots were never reversed when Labour came to power.
And yes, she does deserve everything she gets, which is massive respect and the many honours heaped on her from all over the world.

Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill, the best Prime Ministers of the last century, and both Conservatives.

are you havin a laff blud she deserves a lot ov **** but it defo aint respect, and comparin her to man like winston is straight disrespect 2 him , FIX UP RUDEBOY

[Zippy]

who you calling it pal? swear down there 2 many cyber warriors on this ting, if u seen me on road best believe youd be starin at da floor while u walk past man

:joker: The wigger returns.

[InOne]

Cupid Stunt for mod

[Angus]

are you havin a laff blud she deserves a lot ov **** but it defo aint respect, and comparin her to man like winston is straight disrespect 2 him , FIX UP RUDEBOY

I'm neither a boy (rude or otherwise) or your blood (thank God) so quit your pathetic, and frankly laughable, pseudo street talk - it's cringeworthy. If you had even half a brain you might know what you were talking about, but sadly you don't and you don't.:pat:

[cupid stunt]

:joker: The wigger returns.

lol at calling me a wigga when ur probably sum emo twat
GET GONE YOU MUG

[Shasown]

thatcher ****ed this country up 2 rass, none of the mining areas ave recovered since the 80s, she deserves everything wot she gets mate

Please lad dont show your ignorance. I started my working life in a mine in the North East. I was lucky to get an apprenticeship there. Previously just about all school leavers were taken on into the mines, when I left school 2 of us were taken on. I left school in 1978.

The British Coal Industry was on its knees as it was when Maggie came into power, the miners strike of 1982 simply put the final nail into the coffin. British Coal had made itself a reputation of not being able to fulfill orders. Plus lots of seams were worked out. There are still seams under the area but they are/were economically unviable.

However mines had been closing since the early 60's. I worked in the North Durham area, in 1960 there were 11 mines in that area. here is this full list and the years they closed as seams became unviable. Its verifiable at the Durham mining museum website. http://www.dmm.org.uk

Boldon 1982
Harton and Westoe 1969
Hebburn 1963
Heworth 1963
Hylton 1979
Ryhope 1966
Washington F 1968
Washington Glebe 1972
Washington Usworth 1974
Wearmouth 1993
Whitburn/Marsden 1968

As you can see there was only one mine closed during the time Maggie was in power (1979-1990). Hylton went into close down before she was elected. And if you go to the various mining websites around the country you will see the same story.

If you want someone to blame, then the name you want is Scargill, he pushed for all mines to remain open etc, it was never going to happen. The country couldnt afford to keep mines open simply so that men could sit about and earn good money doing nothing.

When he pulled miners out on strike, he also sent pickets to prevent maintenance and safety work being carried out on the mines that could have stayed open afterwards. In a lot of cases the lack of drainage and other essential maintenance meant that the mines werent safe to work when the strike ended. The cost to bring them back into operation wasnt worth it, so they went into close down. Boldon was one like that.

[letmein]

The majority of people on this site are too young to remember Thatcher. Most weren't even born. She was the very definition of evil.

[Angus]

The majority of people on this site are too young to remember Thatcher. Most weren't even born. She was the very definition of evil.

Care to elaborate as to WHY instead of just throwing out a little soundbite?