First abortion Ad

[WOMBAI]

UK's first abortion services ad created by Marie Stopes!

Views please.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8693732.stm

[Beastie]

They were discussing this on This Morning, this morning!

Mmm.. I think contraception should be the key thing to invest in. However I hope there is a lot of information and numbers to call for help in the ad.. because not all people want to go to their GP.

[arista]

Yes goes out on Ch4 at 10PM soon


Good Idea.

[Spike]

I don't see anything wrong with abortion adverts. It's a good thing as long as its done in the right way.

[pinkmichk]

dont agree with the ad same way i didnt agree with the morning after pill advert but i'm pro life anyway so dont agree with abortion anyway

[Beastie]

Yes - I saw it as well! It was interesting! I don't believe they are trying to 'sell' abortion - just providing an information service for those that might otherwise find it difficult to access such information! I see it as a positive thing, not a negative thing!

Yeah suppose it all depends how the advert comes across on Monday night..

[Tom4784]

I'm not against it, It sounds like the advert aims provide advice rather then selling abortions.

[ElProximo]

A better advert for baby killing would be to show the young woman crying and very upset because the boy she loved did not stay with her because she got pregnant with his baby and/or convinced him it was his,
so,
she needs to kill the baby so she can try again with whoever will be the next young man she hopes to keep.

This advert should be always followed with the same young woman distraught, psychologically traumatized, hopeless in guilt and blame and even experiencing pathological mental illness as a result of the abortion,
and,
then the number to a psychological therapy centre specializing in her problems.

or maybe none of this needs to be advertised.

[teamandre]

i think the advert is wrong and i dont believe in abortions they are just wrong

[teamandre]

thats ture but unless there are certain cases thrn i dont believe women should be aloud to have an abortion they lay down and do it not using anything so pay the price of your actions

[teamandre]

i would but thats just my vewis if ya dont want a child then put someting on the end of it end of story

[ElProximo]

Withholding information - it just a form of control! Women/girls have a right to know their options! And what you are talking about is just emotional blackmail!

First off - the adverts are as much emotional blackmail as you can get but notice MY IDEA GIVES ALL THE INFORMATION.
It INFORMS them that a large number of women have emotional and psychological problems after aborting their babies.
Sometimes very serious ones.

But as for knowing options - the television is not the place where all information about all things must be transmitted and never was and wont' be. As if 'not advertising' cigarettes is 'taking away my right to know' and therefore 'controlling me'.

I'd like to know why being 'late' is such a problem. Children are awesome. The girl in the advert wasn't aborted. Neither were the people at this abortion company.
They claim to be doing some good things and claim the girl in the advert is good and worthwhile.
So you would think the same is true for the baby in her. Why is the baby a problem here?
I think its probably doing just fine and enjoying its growth and isn't bother by 'being late' or by being born.

[WOMBAI]

i would but thats just my vewis if ya dont want a child then put someting on the end of it end of story

Contraception is not always effective - accidents happen! It is alright to be idealistic - but you have to be practical as well! Children need happy homes with happy, loving parents - of which there is not an unending supply!

[teamandre]

First off - the adverts are as much emotional blackmail as you can get but notice MY IDEA GIVES ALL THE INFORMATION.
It INFORMS them that a large number of women have emotional and psychological problems after aborting their babies.
Sometimes very serious ones.

But as for knowing options - the television is not the place where all information about all things must be transmitted and never was and wont' be. As if 'not advertising' cigarettes is 'taking away my right to know' and therefore 'controlling me'.

I'd like to know why being 'late' is such a problem. Children are awesome. The girl in the advert wasn't aborted. Neither were the people at this abortion company.
They claim to be doing some good things and claim the girl in the advert is good and worthwhile.
So you would think the same is true for the baby in her. Why is the baby a problem here?
I think its probably doing just fine and enjoying its growth and isn't bother by 'being late' or by being born.

Why is the baby a problem here?
its because of all them self centerd s**gs out there that think it is okay to get rid of a human life you do the crime you do the time its simple the child in side of the person has doen nothing wrong

[teamandre]

Contraception is not always effective - accidents happen! It is alright to be idealistic - but you have to be practical as well! Children need happy homes with happy, loving parents - of which there is not an unending supply!

yea i gess what ya saying is kinda ture

[arista]

dont agree with the ad same way i didnt agree with the morning after pill advert but i'm pro life anyway so dont agree with abortion anyway


Avoid Ch4 10PM.

[WOMBAI]

dont agree with the ad same way i didnt agree with the morning after pill advert but i'm pro life anyway so dont agree with abortion anyway

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion - but how can you justify withholding the morning after pill from women - that would just be anti-abortionists controlling other people's lives and forcing their opinon on others - not acceptable in a democracy!

[ElProximo]

Why is the baby a problem here?
its because of all them self centerd s**gs out there that think it is okay to get rid of a human life you do the crime you do the time its simple the child in side of the person has doen nothing wrong

One girl I know got pregnant after some one-night stand with some soldier she didn't even know.
Turned out he was married with children and a wife beater anyways,
but,
despite having nearly nothing for income and her own health problems she had a healthy little girl.
She loves it.
Sure it's difficult too and she doesn't go club hopping anymore because she loves being mummy taking her girl to school each morning.
Good kid too.. really bright cheerful little girl with a happy demeanor. Going to be a smart one too you can tell.

Anyways, there is the other side for those selfish people - children can bring them a lot of joy and fun and good feelings.
They talk like having a child is a problem and is going to hurt their feelings and they will lose happiness.
no.
They may very well become much happier, more mature, more confident, more fulfilled teenage moms with more laughs, smiles, and joys because of the child.

But you are right - almost always it is pure selfishness and people who don't feel they have any responsibility to their actions.
Thats what I heard anyways

[WOMBAI]

One girl I know got pregnant after some one-night stand with some soldier she didn't even know.
Turned out he was married with children and a wife beater anyways,
but,
despite having nearly nothing for income and her own health problems she had a healthy little girl.
She loves it.
Sure it's difficult too and she doesn't go club hopping anymore because she loves being mummy taking her girl to school each morning.
Good kid too.. really bright cheerful little girl with a happy demeanor. Going to be a smart one too you can tell.

Anyways, there is the other side for those selfish people - children can bring them a lot of joy and fun and good feelings.
They talk like having a child is a problem and is going to hurt their feelings and they will lose happiness.
no.
They may very well become much happier, more mature, more confident, more fulfilled teenage moms with more laughs, smiles, and joys because of the child.

But you are right - almost always it is pure selfishness and people who don't feel they have any responsibility to their actions.
Thats what I heard anyways

Would you say the same if men were the ones left holding the baby!

[WOMBAI]

One girl I know got pregnant after some one-night stand with some soldier she didn't even know.
Turned out he was married with children and a wife beater anyways,
but,
despite having nearly nothing for income and her own health problems she had a healthy little girl.
She loves it.
Sure it's difficult too and she doesn't go club hopping anymore because she loves being mummy taking her girl to school each morning.
Good kid too.. really bright cheerful little girl with a happy demeanor. Going to be a smart one too you can tell.

Anyways, there is the other side for those selfish people - children can bring them a lot of joy and fun and good feelings.
They talk like having a child is a problem and is going to hurt their feelings and they will lose happiness.
no.
They may very well become much happier, more mature, more confident, more fulfilled teenage moms with more laughs, smiles, and joys because of the child.
But you are right - almost always it is pure selfishness and people who don't feel they have any responsibility to their actions.
Thats what I heard anyways

And what if they don't! Do young girls not have the right to a quality of life! We all make careless mistakes when we are young - why should young girls be expected to pay such a hefty price for theirs! An unwanted child is a hugh, life-long responsibility! Not to mention the child has a right to be born into a loving home! It could turn out to be a nightmare for both!

[ElProximo]

Would you say the same if men were the ones left holding the baby!

I am referring to the men and the women here.

I really did know of a man left holding the baby. I mean we are talking almost immediately. I seem to recall there was actual problems with replacing the breast feeding (which he obviously could not do),
and,
yes, he was absolutely a father and just fully invested and psyched and had all these exciting plans for the kids.

I'd like to know what you make of the male who is not holding the baby (inside) when it comes to these adverts?
Is he informed?
does he get any say in the baby's life or death here?
Why not?
Will anyone stop 'controlling him' by withholding information about where he can go for the psychological trauma he may experience upon finding out his baby was killed?
What about him waking up in night terrors of his mutilated baby wanting Daddy to protect it?

What is your take on this - where do fathers rights come into this and why is the advert only about the mother and what she wants and doesn't want for herself?

[arista]

I'm not against it, It sounds like the advert aims provide advice rather then selling abortions.


Yes Advice
is a Good Move.

[WOMBAI]

I am referring to the men and the women here.

I really did know of a man left holding the baby. I mean we are talking almost immediately. I seem to recall there was actual problems with replacing the breast feeding (which he obviously could not do),
and,
yes, he was absolutely a father and just fully invested and psyched and had all these exciting plans for the kids.

I'd like to know what you make of the male who is not holding the baby (inside) when it comes to these adverts?
Is he informed?
does he get any say in the baby's life or death here?
Why not?
Will anyone stop 'controlling him' by withholding information about where he can go for the psychological trauma he may experience upon finding out his baby was killed?
What about him waking up in night terrors of his mutilated baby wanting Daddy to protect it?

What is your take on this - where do fathers rights come into this and why is the advert only about the mother and what she wants and doesn't want for herself?

Although I understand your point that in an ideal world the man should have a say - but the woman has to have the bigger say - as it is, as you say, her body that has to give birth and take the necessary health risks! There simply is no way round that! You can't cater for the wishes of both - if they disagree!

[Shaun]

Pretty much agree with WOMBAI here.

[JohnnyBB]

10.10pm during the opening Million Pound Drop on May 24 :(

[Shasown]

Although I understand your point that in an ideal world the man should have a say - but the woman has to have the bigger say - as it is, as you say, her body that has to give birth and take the necessary health risks! There simply is no way round that! You can't cater for the wishes of both - if they disagree!

Of course it will always be that way because it is the womans body, but what about cases where the woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt want or need the financial commitment.

Shouldn't the man have the right to insist on the woman having an abortion? That would be equal rights wouldnt it? After all the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy the man may resent the child as being an unneccessary financial burden. Why should he have to have 18 years of direct debits for a simple 10 minute(if he was lucky) knee trembler at the back of a nighclub?

[WOMBAI]

Of course it will always be that way because it is the womans body, but what about cases where the woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt want or need the financial commitment.

Shouldn't the man have the right to insist on the woman having an abortion? That would be equal rights wouldnt it? After all the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy the man may resent the child as being an unneccessary financial burden. Why should he have to have 18 years of direct debits for a simple 10 minute(if he was lucky) knee trembler at the back of a nighclub?

That is why men should 'use one' - especially when indulging in a 10 minute knee trembler! As they know they can have no say in whether the woman decides to keep any resulting baby - they have to be extra cautious in protecting themselves and not spreading their seed if they don't want it spread! Common sense - isn't it!

[Shasown]

That is why men should 'use one' - especially when indulging in a 10 minute knee trembler! As they know they can have no say in whether the woman decides to keep any resulting baby - they have to be extra cautious in protecting themselves and not spreading their seed if they don't want it spread! Common sense - isn't it!

Some men do use them and as you said earlier no method of contraception is 100%

And doesnt the same argument fall back on the woman after all it is her body and if she doesnt want to be inseminated (and possibly infected) shouldnt she insist on him wearing something even if she is on the pill/coil/injection?

[WOMBAI]

Some men do use them and as you said earlier no method of contraception is 100%

And doesnt the same argument fall back on the woman after all it is her body and if she doesnt want to be inseminated (and possibly infected) shouldnt she insist on him wearing something even if she is on the pill/coil/injection?

If she has any sense, yes - but at least she knows she will have some choice in whether or not to go ahead with an unplanned pregnancy!

Everyone should be careful - but at lot depends on what is at stake for the person having sex! Anyone that really doesn't want to have a child, particularly, if they have no say in the consequences, should take extra care! The same would go for anyone that has strong religous/moral feelings on abortion - extra caution is needed!

[BB_Eye]

Of course it will always be that way because it is the womans body, but what about cases where the woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt want or need the financial commitment.

Shouldn't the man have the right to insist on the woman having an abortion? That would be equal rights wouldnt it? After all the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy the man may resent the child as being an unneccessary financial burden. Why should he have to have 18 years of direct debits for a simple 10 minute(if he was lucky) knee trembler at the back of a nighclub?

I pretty much agree with this, especially in cases where women might abuse the system, refuse the pill and have children for the sole purpose of gaining child support money. More often than not, if one party is forced to take on the responsibility of the child against their will, the child will have to live with the consequences.

[Shasown]

If she has any sense, yes - but at least she knows she will have some choice in whether or not to go ahead with an unplanned pregnancy!

Everyone should be careful - but at lot depends on what is at stake for the person having sex! Anyone that really doesn't want to have a child, particularly, if they have no say in the consequences, should take extra care! The same would go for anyone that has strong religous/moral feelings on abortion - extra caution is needed!

Then surely advertisements of this type are sending out the wrong message, its not just saying supposing you use contraception and the contraceptive fails, dont sweat it we can wipe out that little errr accident as if it never happened.

Isnt it also sending out the message hey go on do what you want, have no strings sex, dont worrying about contraceptive, dont worry about the outcome coz if you are unlucky and fall pregnant we will ensure that little problem is quickly and conveniently removed.

[Niamh.]

Then surely advertisements of this type are sending out the wrong message, its not just saying supposing you use contraception and the contraceptive fails, dont sweat it we can wipe out that little errr accident as if it never happened.

Isnt it also sending out the message hey go on do what you want, have no strings sex, dont worrying about contraceptive, dont worry about the outcome coz if you are unlucky and fall pregnant we will ensure that little problem is quickly and conveniently removed.

I agree with this.

[WOMBAI]

I pretty much agree with this, especially in cases where women might abuse the system, refuse the pill and have children for the sole purpose of gaining child support money. More often than not, if one party is forced to take on the responsibility of the child against their will, the child will have to live with the consequences.

Shouldn't knowing that some women do that - make men more cautious - and insist on putting the jacket on - especially when having casual sex!

[WOMBAI]

Then surely advertisements of this type are sending out the wrong message, its not just saying supposing you use contraception and the contraceptive fails, dont sweat it we can wipe out that little errr accident as if it never happened.

Isnt it also sending out the message hey go on do what you want, have no strings sex, dont worrying about contraceptive, dont worry about the outcome coz if you are unlucky and fall pregnant we will ensure that little problem is quickly and conveniently removed.

What suitable alternative is there! Children stuck in care, or lives lost through back-street abortions! Practicalities!

[Shasown]

Scare irresponsible people shitless!

Graphic details of girls having backstreet abortions,

Show the worst cases of sexually transmitted diseases.

Show them being forced out of their leisurely lifestyles and the harsh realities of parenthood.

The boy looking at the pittance he earns on his wage slip and remembering the court ordering to pay maintenance.

The girl feeling guilty after her abortion.

[WOMBAI]

Scare irresponsible people shitless!

Graphic details of girls having backstreet abortions,

Show the worst cases of sexually transmitted diseases.

Show them being forced out of their leisurely lifestyles and the harsh realities of parenthood.

The boy looking at the pittance he earns on his wage slip and remembering the court ordering to pay maintenance.

The girl feeling guilty after her abortion.

I'm all for education on the harsh realities of abortion and parenthood for males and females - but forcing women either into or out of abortions is not the answer in my book! For too long sex education has been geared more towards girls, and although it is better than it used to be - still far too many boys/men think they don't have to be careful or take any responsibility because they don't get pregnant - it is about time they realised that the girls aren't the only ones that are responsible and not the only ones that should pay a hefty price!

[Shasown]

I'm all for education on the harsh realities of abortion and parenthood for males and females - but forcing women either into or out of abortions is not the answer in my book!

Dont women generally force themselves into abortions by not caring about the life they have created, the fact it will interfere with their careers etc, and by not having the common sense to ensure they dont get pregnant?

But once again you have completely missed the point in that post, the idea is to scare them by using graphic images of what happens when adequate care over contraception and sex isnt taken.

[Captain.Remy]

abortion is the new black. Lovin' it <3

:joker:

[WOMBAI]

Dont women generally force themselves into abortions by not caring about the life they have created, the fact it will interfere with their careers etc, and by not having the common sense to ensure they dont get pregnant?

But once again you have completely missed the point in that post, the idea is to scare them by using graphic images of what happens when adequate care over contraception and sex isnt taken.

Is ensuring they don't get pregnant then just up to the women, in your book - nothing to do with the men! A lack of common sense on both sides I would say!

I agree with most of the second paragraph! But what happens if the scare tactics don't work?

[Shasown]

Is ensuring they don't get pregnant then just up to the women, in your book - nothing to do with the men! A lack of common sense on both sides I would say!

I agree with most of the second paragraph! But what happens if the scare tactics don't work?

Whilst it is true that contraception is a dual responsibility, going by the track record of men would you say that little miss average should rely on the man being responsible, or until she is sure she can trust the man to have more than just 'a quick shag sod the outcome' attitude should she not take responsibility for her own body?

Yes a common sense attitude on both sides would mean women would insist on the man using condoms even if she was herself taking some precaustions, just like a man would insist on using a condom even if the woman stated she was on the pill/had a coil fitted, etc. If nothing else it would cut down on the incidences of STD's and also pregnancies as a result of contraceptive failures.

[Ella]

i think the advert is wrong and i dont believe in abortions they are just wrong

So if a woman was raped you think an abortion is wrong in that case? Or if contraception failed? Every single woman on the planet has a right to do what she wants with her body, If she can't physically, mentally or emotionally deal with pregnancy, birth and so on then that's her choice, You may not agree with it, but that doesn't make it wrong.

This is a subject I feel very strongly about.

[WOMBAI]

So if a woman was raped you think an abortion is wrong in that case? Or if contraception failed? Every single woman on the planet has a right to do what she wants with her body, If she can't physically, mentally or emotionally deal with pregnancy, birth and so on then that's her choice, You may not agree with it, but that doesn't make it wrong.

This is a subject I feel very strongly about.

:thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

disgusting barbaric solution to carelessness

[teamandre]

So if a woman was raped you think an abortion is wrong in that case? Or if contraception failed? Every single woman on the planet has a right to do what she wants with her body, If she can't physically, mentally or emotionally deal with pregnancy, birth and so on then that's her choice, You may not agree with it, but that doesn't make it wrong.

This is a subject I feel very strongly about.

no if you read before i said except for speical circumstances e.g rape other things and yes its there body but it doesnt mean i have to agree with it does it thats my opion

[WOMBAI]

Are you never careless - always perfect! No 10 minute knee tremblers then!

[Niamh.]

Are you never careless - always perfect! No 10 minute knee tremblers then!

Yeah people can be careless and make mistakes absolutely but some mistakes have bigger consequences than others. It depends how you look at it I suppose, in my eyes If you make a mistake like getting pregnant when you hadn't wanted to, you've made a mistake that will now effect a whole new person and you should take what you've done very seriously not flippantly say "Oops I made a booboo, not to worry I'll just abort it!" But, I do realise that this is my mind and what I think and maybe I'm wrong but it's just the way I think.

[WOMBAI]

Yeah people can be careless and make mistakes absolutely but some mistakes have bigger consequences than others. It depends how you look at it I suppose, in my eyes If you make a mistake like getting pregnant when you hadn't wanted to, you've made a mistake that will now effect a whole new person and you should take what you've done very seriously not flippantly say "Oops I made a booboo, not to worry I'll just abort it!" But, I do realise that this is my mind and what I think and maybe I'm wrong but it's just the way I think.

Personally - I would never take abortion lightly - I don't think most women in that situation do - but it is often the best/only solution for many! Many agonize over their decision - but it has to be their decision to make!

My post above was in relation to men having casual sex - with little or no thought of the consequences - but often being very judgemental about women doing the same! I strongly feel that BOTH sexes need to take responsibility! I think that today society as a whole would agree - but that message can take a long time to get through to some guys!

[Niamh.]

Personally - I would never take abortion lightly - I don't think most women in that situation do - but it is often the best/only solution for many! Many agonize over their decision - but it has to be their decision to make!

My post above was in relation to men having casual sex - with little or no thought of the consequences - but often being very judgemental about women doing the same! I strongly feel that BOTH sexes need to take responsibility! I think that today society as a whole would agree - but that message can take a long time to get through to some guys!

Well you are right of course they should but as a mother and a woman, from the minute I became pregnant with both my children I hoped that they would have good responsible fathers but I committed to look after and be responsible for them either way as I was the one carrying them and bringing them into this world.

[WOMBAI]

Well you are right of course they should but as a mother and a woman, from the minute I became pregnant with both my children I hoped that they would have good responsible fathers but I committed to look after and be responsible for them either way as I was the one carrying them and bringing them into this world.

You sound a very strong, level-headed person - with hopefully a good support network - but, unfortunately, it isn't the same for everyone!

[Niamh.]

You sound a very strong, level-headed person - with hopefully a good support network - but, unfortunately, it isn't the same for everyone!

Well, I can tell you I wasn't so strong or level headed when I got pregnant with my daughter but yeah I did have good support from my family. Tbh, I think having my daughter was the best thing that could've happened cos I was a bit out of control up until then. But I do understand what you're saying and like I said before I'm not completely against abortion as such, I just think that it should be a serious thing to do for people and I realize it is for most people but not for everyone which I do find disgusting.

[WOMBAI]

Well, I can tell you I wasn't so strong or level headed when I got pregnant with my daughter but yeah I did have good support from my family. Tbh, I think having my daughter was the best thing that could've happened cos I was a bit out of control up until then. But I do understand what you're saying and like I said before I'm not completely against abortion as such, I just think that it should be a serious thing to do for people and I realize it is for most people but not for everyone which I do find disgusting.

Yes - I agree that nobody should be using abortion as a form of contraception! I like to think that the type of people doing that are in the minority - and there definitely should be sanctions of some kind for those people!

[WOMBAI]

nar thats a load of **** birds can take the pill, WHY SHOULD LADS HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY ITS NOT US WHO GET PREGNANT IS IT

Not very enlightened are you? Of course - women get pregnant all by themselves - nothing to do with guys! You talk utter sh*te - you know that!

I am sure you must be about 10 - because anyone older would probably have more sense that to broadcast such ignorance!

[WOMBAI]

why should a lad have to pay 4 a babby wot he dont want, and wot might not even be his?

Put something on the end of it then - act like a man, not a silly irresponsible boy!

[WOMBAI]

put something on the end of it? wot are you jeremy kyle or sumat:joker:
its up 2 gals to take the pill, its not lads fault that bareback feels 10 times better is it?

Think you must be somewhat lacking in the IQ department! Take your caveman views somewhere else!

[WOMBAI]

im 20 luv, just because i dont fall for feminist bull**** dont mean im talking sh*te

Nothing to do with feminist bull - just common sense - something you clearly lack!

[WOMBAI]

im 20 luv, just because i dont fall for feminist bull**** dont mean im talking sh*te

I wouldn't spout your true age, if indeed it is true, if I were you with ignorant, childish views like that! You just make yourself look all the more ridiculous!

[Ella]

no if you read before i said except for speical circumstances e.g rape other things and yes its there body but it doesnt mean i have to agree with it does it thats my opion

But you said it's 'wrong', Who are you to decide what's right and wrong for a woman to do what she feels is best for her and her body?

[Niamh.]

why should a lad have to pay 4 a babby wot he dont want, and wot might not even be his?

there's such a thing as a DNA test you know

[Niamh.]

nah nah your chattin **** women can take the pill, speakin from a lads point of view sex feels 10 times better without a jonny so why cant birds just all go on the pill?

absolutely fine as long as you're aware that by doing that you're taking a chance and may end up paying child support, that's a chance you take by not wearing one

[Ella]

Cupid Stunt, Maybe you should stop smoking so much weed and then you may not sound so ridiculous in what you say!

Some women can't go on the pill ect ect and you saying that all women should go on the pill is just very very silly! And FYI Women do not like being called 'Birds'..Jeeez

[Saralouleelaa]

dont agree with the ad same way i didnt agree with the morning after pill advert but i'm pro life anyway so dont agree with abortion anyway

i completely agree with you, if people didnt want children they should be either protecting themselves properly or not having sex at all :)

[Tom4784]

i completely agree with you, if people didnt want children they should be either protecting themselves properly or not having sex at all :)

But that's the narrow and simplistic view and life isn't that black and white. What if the mother suffers from health issues that could endanger her during pregnancy or what if they can't financially cope with a pregnancy? I'm against the notion of abortion used a contraceptive but if someone wants to have an abortion then well that's their choice.

It's never as simple as what you made it out to be in your post and it's quite patronising.

[WOMBAI]

nah nah your chattin **** women can take the pill, speakin from a lads point of view sex feels 10 times better without a jonny so why cant birds just all go on the pill?

Some people should legally be forced to have the chop!

[Saralouleelaa]

yeah i understand that, which i did forget to mention in all honesty, My sister had to have one due to both the fact she would have died carrying another child and that fact her and her partner hadnt got enough money for another child what im saying is the people who use it as another form of contraception like my friend who had an an abortion, which i kinda understood because of her situation she would have been homeless and etc, but its the stupidest excuse she used.. 'Well i thought i was infertile because i hadnt got pregnant for 5 months' (people can try for years without be infertile and not conceive straight away.. But then after the abortion maybe 2-3 weeks later she said i think im pregnant again.. Thats the thing im on about i dont think it should be used as a contraception, that is wrong.

[Niamh.]

I saw the ad yesterday, It seemed more like an ad for advice for un-planned pregnancies rather than an for abortion really, I mean haven't those types of ads always been around?

[WOMBAI]

yeah i understand that, which i did forget to mention in all honesty, My sister had to have one due to both the fact she would have died carrying another child and that fact her and her partner hadnt got enough money for another child what im saying is the people who use it as another form of contraception like my friend who had an an abortion, which i kinda understood because of her situation she would have been homeless and etc, but its the stupidest excuse she used.. 'Well i thought i was infertile because i hadnt got pregnant for 5 months' (people can try for years without be infertile and not conceive straight away.. But then after the abortion maybe 2-3 weeks later she said i think im pregnant again.. Thats the thing im on about i dont think it should be used as a contraception, that is wrong.

I was referring to the irresponsible attitude of that particular male member - who believes that he as a man has no responsibiltiy to use contraception and protect himself from unwanted fatherhood - and thinks that it is all down to the woman!

[Sunny_01]

I think the advert is ok, I am the mother of a teenager girl and I would want my daughter to be fully informed if she ever needed to make that type of decision. I am very much pro choice and to have a choice you have to be informed about your options.

I dont agree with termination as a form of contraception but do think it has a place in this world. I would also say that something from the cotraception bods would be a good advert to show that there are lots of alternatives to pregnancy and that with the right information abortion rates would reduce.

[Saralouleelaa]

I was referring to the irresponsible attitude of that particular male member - who believes that he as a man has no responsibiltiy to use contraception and protect himself from unwanted fatherhood - and thinks that it is all down to the woman! no i understand that i agrre with what you said their i was replying to the post above :)

[Tom4784]

yeah i understand that, which i did forget to mention in all honesty, My sister had to have one due to both the fact she would have died carrying another child and that fact her and her partner hadnt got enough money for another child what im saying is the people who use it as another form of contraception like my friend who had an an abortion, which i kinda understood because of her situation she would have been homeless and etc, but its the stupidest excuse she used.. 'Well i thought i was infertile because i hadnt got pregnant for 5 months' (people can try for years without be infertile and not conceive straight away.. But then after the abortion maybe 2-3 weeks later she said i think im pregnant again.. Thats the thing im on about i dont think it should be used as a contraception, that is wrong.

fair enough, I agree abortion should never be used willy nilly but I won't judge somebody who does have an abortion sicne it's likely to be a difficult decision to most people.

[Saralouleelaa]

yeah i know it really is.. as much as my sister needed to do it she didnt want to, but she had to so she did. But my friend didnt even bat and eyelid, the worst thing she said was after she found out what options she had (she was six weeks) 'im gonna wait till im 7 weeks so i can have the vacum one so it doesnt hurt me' Now thats what upset me.

[Beastie]

yeah i know it really is.. as much as my sister needed to do it she didnt want to, but she had to so she did. But my friend didnt even bat and eyelid, the worst thing she said was after she found out what options she had (she was six weeks) 'im gonna wait till im 7 weeks so i can have the vacum one so it doesnt hurt me' Now thats what upset me.

What do if you have an abortion before that?

[Shasown]

What do if you have an abortion before that?

Two stage tablet, one kills the foetus,and causes the lining of the womb to strip away the second expels it like a miscarriage opening the neck of the womb and causing uterine contractions.

[Beastie]

Two stage tablet, one kills the foetus,and causes the lining of the womb to strip away the second expels it like a miscarriage opening the neck of the womb and causing uterine contractions.

Oh.. thanks :S

[Saralouleelaa]

any abortion is not a very nice thing to go though, but the way she said it seemed selfish to me.

[Shasown]

any abortion is not a very nice thing to go though, but the way she said it seemed selfish to me.

In some peoples eyes most abortions are selfish.

Maybe she said it like that to appear she wasnt too bothered about having an abortion, mind you, you know her, is she a selfish uncaring unfeeling bitch?

[Saralouleelaa]

hmm pretty much, she was gonna keep the baby, the same night she told me she was keeping it she went and got stoned.. she was gonna get pissed but she said it might harm the baby :conf: all in all she is a selfish cow yes.

[WOMBAI]

In some peoples eyes most abortions are selfish.

Maybe she said it like that to appear she wasnt too bothered about having an abortion, mind you, you know her, is she a selfish uncaring unfeeling bitch?

God forbid women should be selfish - after all - rarely are men selfish - hmm! :joker:

[Beastie]

In some peoples eyes most abortions are selfish.

Maybe she said it like that to appear she wasnt too bothered about having an abortion, mind you, you know her, is she a selfish uncaring unfeeling bitch?

Having lots of babies and sponging off 20/30 grand in benefits is selfish too though.......

[Saralouleelaa]

God forbid women should be selfish - after all - rarely are men selfish - hmm! :joker:

Men definatlry are selfish as equally as women lol :)

[Shasown]

God forbid women should be selfish - after all - rarely are men selfish - hmm! :joker:

I didnt say men werent selfish. I honestly dont know why you always throw any comment back as an attack on men. There is no real need we all know men are selfish bastards with double standards.

Having lots of babies and sponging off 20/30 grand in benefits is selfish too though.......

Not all single mums do that.

I do know married couples who sponge off the state and have churned out more than their fair share of future neds. In fact I know more married couples like that than the supposed stereotypical baby making machine come single mum.

[WOMBAI]

I didnt say men werent selfish. I honestly dont know why you always throw any comment back as an attack on men. There is no real need we all know men are selfish bastards with double standards.



Didn't mean to 'attack' - but it did sound a bit as if you were coming down a bit too hard on us women! Although I had a serious point to make - I mean't it in a light-hearted way! :hugesmile: No offence taken on my part, hope none on yours!

[Shasown]

Didn't mean to 'attack' - but it did sound a bit as if you were coming down a bit too hard on us women! Although I had a serious point to make - I mean't it in a light-hearted way! :hugesmile: No offence taken on my part, hope none on yours!

Nah I never take offence.

The point I was putting over is the holier than thou brigade will always see a person having an abortion as simply a selfish action to put right a mistake that should never have occured. Regardless of the long term consequences of life threatening pregnancies, unwanted pregnancies, etc.

To some any abortion is simply murder for convenience.

[Saralouleelaa]

I didnt say men werent selfish. I honestly dont know why you always throw any comment back as an attack on men. There is no real need we all know men are selfish bastards with double standards.



Not all single mums do that.

I do know married couples who sponge off the state and have churned out more than their fair share of future neds. In fact I know more married couples like that than the supposed stereotypical baby making machine come single mum.

I know a couple like that they've already got 3 kids, and was telling my boyfriend how they've got their own house and dont have to work and still live a life of luxury.. then the last time we saw them they'd had another two and she was pregnant again haha.