Will humans always be at war?

[Scarlett.]

History says yes, humans have always been at war with each other, sticks and stones, spears and bows, guns and bombs, humans arent meant to be at peace, and the only thing that would stop us fighting one another is fighting something else.

What do you think?

[Claymores]

Only if twonks as arista talk sherbert

['Conor]

at some part of the world, humans will ALWAYS be at war

[Shaun]

Probs.

[InOne]

Yes.

[Captain.Remy]

It's in the Human nature to feel threatened, jealous and worried. The world is too different for people to live peacefully.
I actually think we went from a "culture" focussed battle which was more about convincing each other what they believe in is the best to a more "financial" battle which consists of having the most resources to get further.
If you take pretty much all the wars since the WW II (may I add this one was both cultural and financial focussed), they've been financially focussed (Kuwait, Iraq....).

Wars' reasons are meant to change, the rules tend to change. As for now, money is all that matters and it will keep dividing people for a very long time. When money won't be the purpose of wars, then it will be something else etc...

[Lewis.]

Yeah. We're the most powerful things on the planet and people tend to fight for that power. I think that the only thing that could pull everyone together would be another alien species invading - which in my opinion, is highly unlikely.

[setanta]

Of course. Wish I was a Dolphin or something. Far more intelligent than us. You know, that would be hilarious - if an alien visits our planet but just wants to talk to other species on the planet rather than us.

[Lewis.]

Of course. Wish I was a Dolphin or something. Far more intelligent than us. You know, that would be hilarious - if an alien visits our planet but just wants to talk to other species on the planet rather than us.

Yeah :joker: just thought of us as animals and ignored us yapping on at them :hugesmile: I could just imagine Barack Obama going up to communicate with them and the alien just throwing a stick and shouting "Catch" :tongue:

[WOMBAI]

Yes - it is the nature of the beast I'm afraid!

[setanta]

Yeah :joker: just thought of us as animals and ignored us yapping on at them :hugesmile: I could just imagine Barack Obama going up to communicate with them and the alien just throwing a stick and shouting "Catch" :tongue:

If I were an alien and had a quick gander at what we're doing to the planet I'd just say to my crew, "right, turn back. They're obviously morons!"

[Captain.Remy]

Yes - it is the nature of the beast I'm afraid!

As Thomas Hobbes would say: "Man is man's wolf." (or actually according to Plautus: "Homo homini lupus")

Pretty much says it all right ?

[Lewis.]

If I were an alien and had a quick gander at what we're doing to the planet I'd just say to my crew, "right, turn back. They're obviously morons!"

Yeah

"Guys - We're heading to the loony bin - Make a quick turn!"

[Smithy]

If you want piece you must prepare for war

[ILoveTRW]

there will always be war until everyone realises no religion is better than any other

[Callum]

Yes it's inevitable sadly

[Stu]

Not a lot of optimist here.

War could fade out with evolution. Who knows how that will go. Maybe the good guys will win out for once and everyone will know peace.

The worlds messed up right now and somethings gotta give.

[setanta]

Not a lot of optimist here.

War could fade out with evolution. Who knows how that will go. Maybe the good guys will win out for once and everyone will know peace.

The worlds messed up right now and somethings gotta give.

Right, I have to get you off the Scooby snacks and stop you from listening to the Age of Aquarius immediately.

[ElProximo]

History says yes, humans have always been at war with each other, sticks and stones, spears and bows, guns and bombs, humans arent meant to be at peace, and the only thing that would stop us fighting one another is fighting something else.

What do you think?

I took a course on the last 4,000 years of Chinese history and the most depressing thing of all is the ongoing never-ending cycles of wars. No matter what happens.
Even if an 'outside threat' did bring them together that didn't take long before they subdivided and started warring again.
It's depressing.

It really is one of the most remarkable things about human beings with never any 'lesson learned' and we will just carry on like this just as we have for the last 5000 years or so.

[bananarama]

No humans won't always be at war because there will be a final war that wipes us all out..........

[ElProximo]

No humans won't always be at war because there will be a final war that wipes us all out..........

Too true. St. Johns Apocalypse really makes sense - there will have to be some kind of massive global 'elimination' and a total replacement of the entire socio-politico-economic 'human civilization' as we know it.

Otherwise.. yes, there are plenty more wars coming. :(

[arista]

History says yes, humans have always been at war with each other, sticks and stones, spears and bows, guns and bombs, humans arent meant to be at peace, and the only thing that would stop us fighting one another is fighting something else.

What do you think?


Yes it is true.
It is part of being Human.
And take a look at our Animal History
Fights are normal.


Of Course Evil Blair /Bush Illegally Invaded Iraq
and Carpet Bombing it.
And our own Corrupt New Labour PM Blair
used Falsehoods to get it through.
And even worse he Smiles about it.

[ElProximo]

Yes it is true.
It is part of being Human.
And take a look at our Animal History
Fights are normal.


Of Course Evil Blair /Bush Illegally Invaded Iraq
and Carpet Bombing it.
And our own Corrupt New Labour PM Blair
used Falsehoods to get it through.
And even worse he Smiles about it.

As much as people want to make near hysterical outrage over what we laughingly call 'The War' - its nothing.

The Iraq War is nothing but a blip of a 'war' when compared to the last century of warfare,
and,
people don't even really consider that wars in Africa have come and gone with far more actual 'war and killing',
and,
Iraq doesn't even come close to Vietnam (yet) and Vietnam was 'just another regional conflict' compared to a hundred others.

This is not asking for 'moral relativism' and this is agreeing that 'any war is bad war',
but,
If you step back and look at the history of wars in just that region - the current Iraq war is small stuff and barely counts.

[WOMBAI]

As much as people want to make near hysterical outrage over what we laughingly call 'The War' - its nothing.

The Iraq War is nothing but a blip of a 'war' when compared to the last century of warfare,
and,
people don't even really consider that wars in Africa have come and gone with far more actual 'war and killing',
and,
Iraq doesn't even come close to Vietnam (yet) and Vietnam was 'just another regional conflict' compared to a hundred others.

This is not asking for 'moral relativism' and this is agreeing that 'any war is bad war',
but,
If you step back and look at the history of wars in just that region - the current Iraq war is small stuff and barely counts.

It counts - to those that have lost loved ones!

[ElProximo]

It counts - to those that have lost loved ones!

Yes, they definitely count. They gave their lives to save lives and each fallen soldier deserves all the regard as the individual who died fighting Hitler.

Having said that, it doesn't make the Iraq war as big and brutal as Rwanda. We agree 'one is too many',
but,
we do need to have the overall war in perspective. You would have more consideration for 100,000 soldiers into a full-on war with China. You wouldn't say 'Oh its the same thing'.
Its not.
One is massive and the other is much less massive.

[Captain.Remy]

If you step back and look at the history of wars in just that region - the current Iraq war is small stuff and barely counts.

I don't agree. I think the current war in Iraq may not be the biggest of all (I agree with you on that) but it symbolizes something huge: fear since 9/11. Fear of one people in particular. It also symbolizes what this decade and the future ones will be all about. The 2000 years were lived under fearing each other.

So fair enough it's not the biggest war but it definitely has a very strong meaning to what we're in for a few decades.

[ElProximo]

I don't agree. I think the current war in Iraq may not be the biggest of all (I agree with you on that) but it symbolizes something huge: fear since 9/11. Fear of one people in particular. It also symbolizes what this decade and the future ones will be all about. The 2000 years were lived under fearing each other.

So fair enough it's not the biggest war but it definitely has a very strong meaning to what we're in for a few decades.

Yes, I think it is a modern Crusade in a sense. Western nations were never fearful enough and 9/11 and later devastating mass-murders made it very clear that it was time to really do something.
So yes you can say we finally had something tangible to be afraid of and that is radical Islam.
I think we agree (maybe in different angles) but Iraq is really a lot less about 'Iraq' and more about putting Western Military inside Islams own backyard and thereby making that their first priority.

This is really the reason I am fully supporting this action and think it will, ultimately, save more innocent lives.
But,
I tend to agree it is not really whether Iraq was liberated or not.

But its not a big event relatively speaking. Bigger than the actual Crusades which were relatively minor 'scuffles' compared to a hundred other full-on wars in that time.

One thing that just amazes me every time I see this - less than 5000 US troops died after all this time.
Less than 200 UK troops.
That is absolutely amazing and what a testament to the quality and excellence over there.
That is over the entire time including invasion and policing the country for all these years and insurgent battles etc!
Amazingly low number almost defies belief!

Now this I heard from some US soldiers. The first guy told me that he estimated about 8-1 for the good guys.
About 8 insurgents are dead for every one of their they lose,
but,
not long after that another US soldier told me he puts it at closer to 10 or 12 and added 'if not 13' in his estimate.
That is AMAZING.
but if you look at it this way - the idea here is that about 50,000 muslims ballsy enough to pick up a gun and actually try and use it in Jihad are now dead.
Those numbers become even more significant when you think just 19 of them killed 3,000 innocent people on 9/11 inside the US.
but,
even if we just supposed that any 1 jihadist would realistically take out 3 innocent western civilians?
Potentially we are looking at what would be saving the lives of 150,000 innocent lives saved.

Now realistically.. I think it is much much more than that because I would suppose in those 50,000 now-dead Jihadists there was at least a dozen or more who 'would' have pulled off biggies.
Major anthrax bombs or another serious building demolition or a huge nightclub etc.

So yeah.. all in all just an amazing job over there. It also happens this is a huge chance for Iraqis to build a really great new country living freely and ultimately having much better lives.
but that is a little beside the point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes

this is why we have religion

[WOMBAI]

yes

this is why we have religion

Precisely - to cause 99.9% of them!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Precisely - to cause 99.9% of them!

no you dummy

to avoid them

dont fall for that tired old cliché - look at the reality

[WOMBAI]

no you dummy

to avoid them

dont fall for that tired old cliché - look at the reality

I know exactly what you mean't dummy - just replacing a fictional statement with a factual one! No cliche - a reality!

[ElProximo]

I know exactly what you mean't dummy - just replacing a fictional statement with a factual one! No cliche - a reality!

You are way wrong on this one.

It is true there have been a handful of wars 'in the name of...' and Islam has a great big list of those.
There have been some wars 'in the name of Buddha' or some Crusades 'in the name of Jesus',
but.
Almost EVERY WAR has always been about one single thing - land.
Land.
Land and we can say the resources in and on that land.
That is well over 90% of every war that has ever happened in human civilization.
If not its more.. its closer to 99%

Religions (not counting Islam) tend to keep people in check and make them think twice,
but,
It almost always over land.

Its really annoying how many people go around saying 'most wars are over religion' when that is WAY WRONG and just an astonishing ignorance of easy History.

[Shasown]

You are way wrong on this one.

It is true there have been a handful of wars 'in the name of...' and Islam has a great big list of those.
There have been some wars 'in the name of Buddha' or some Crusades 'in the name of Jesus',
but.
Almost EVERY WAR has always been about one single thing - land.
Land.
Land and we can say the resources in and on that land.
That is well over 90% of every war that has ever happened in human civilization.
If not its more.. its closer to 99%

Religions (not counting Islam) tend to keep people in check and make them think twice,
but,
It almost always over land.

Its really annoying how many people go around saying 'most wars are over religion' when that is WAY WRONG and just an astonishing ignorance of easy History.

Land and resources, have to agree with that 100%

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are way wrong on this one.

It is true there have been a handful of wars 'in the name of...' and Islam has a great big list of those.
There have been some wars 'in the name of Buddha' or some Crusades 'in the name of Jesus',
but.
Almost EVERY WAR has always been about one single thing - land.
Land.
Land and we can say the resources in and on that land.
That is well over 90% of every war that has ever happened in human civilization.
If not its more.. its closer to 99%

Religions (not counting Islam) tend to keep people in check and make them think twice,
but,
It almost always over land.

Its really annoying how many people go around saying 'most wars are over religion' when that is WAY WRONG and just an astonishing ignorance of easy History.


as always

the masked assasin is correct-a-mundo