How can the Tories rule Scotland?

[Claymores]

By oppression? like Maggie?

We have consistently voted socialist - even voted Scottish Labour to try keep the Tories out. Scotland has one Conservative MP who we'd gladly gift away to Engerland. Tories came 4th in the popular vote, Scotland has minority sociialist parliament.

It all seems untenable as we have nothing to do with England thought-wise about what we want

[Harry!]

Not quite sad as you make it out to be, because Lib Den have some power in government now if there is any Lib Den's in Scotland they can report back to the government and make change that way.

[Shaun]

Indeed, the cabinet minister for Scotland is a Lib Dem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

they wont, labour did not either

Alex rules up here

[Claymores]

Not quite sad as you make it out to be, because Lib Den have some power in government now if there is any Lib Den's in Scotland they can report back to the government and make change that way.

Yer soooo naiive wee pal

[Claymores]

they wont, labour did not either

Alex rules up here

Exactly - a minoriry socialist SNP government works becaise Scottish Labour (socialists ) work with them

[Angus]

they wont, labour did not either

Alex rules up here

And yet the Scots didn't vote for him, but for English Labour. Now they've shafted themselves because virtually all their MPs are now on the opposition benches:hugesmile: If you want your independence from England then start voting SNP and stop whinging. Believe me, we English want Scottish independence as much as the Scots do!

[Claymores]

I believe it is undemocratic to have Tory rule over a socialist country

[Shaun]

Oh hush. Labour are about as socialist as Steve Jobs.

[Claymores]

And yet the Scots didn't vote for him, but for English Labour

Nope Scottish voted socialist for Scottish Labour which has always been a different beastie from "New Labour" and Tone.

I believe the vote was to keep Herr David Cameron out and we almost managed it.

Scotland has nothing in common anymore - we are essentially a left of centre country and England a right wing government - set us free!

[Claymores]

Oh hush. Labour are about as socialist as Steve Jobs.

Which is why Fife bacame a n SNP controlled Council (BIG OVERTURN) and we have socialists in power in Scottish parliament - thanks for adding to my issues of Tories

[Angus]

I believe it is undemocratic to have Tory rule over a socialist country


Well clearly the Scots didn't consider the General Election undemocratic when they were casting their votes, only now when they realise they voted for a bunch of opposition MPs. That's what democracy is, the rule of the majority. We English weren't too thrilled about having an unelected Scottish PM foisted upon us, whose strings were being pulled by the unelected Mandelson and Campbell.

[Angus]

Nope Scottish voted socialist for Scottish Labour which has always been a different beastie from "New Labour" and Tone.

I believe the vote was to keep Herr David Cameron out and we almost managed it.

Scotland has nothing in common anymore - we are essentially a left of centre country and England a right wing government - set us free!


Yet Scottish Labour have no interest in independence it seems, they just want your Scottish votes to keep their seats in Westminster - so more fool the Scots for persistently voting for them instead of the SNP.

[Claymores]

Yet Scottish Labour have no interest in independence it seems, they just want your Scottish votes to keep their seats in Westminster - so more fool the Scots for persistently voting for them instead of the SNP.



What I can agree on angus - Scottish Labour is tied to New Labour (english Labour) as english Labour knows that without Scotland, England has a clear Tory mandate. This is the reason I vote SNP (socialists who realise England is a right-wing country) rather than because I'm a raging Braveheart.

Look at the numbers, no need to fall in bed again with your ex-public school days fag David. We're clearly socialist - youz clearly Tory.

[Claymores]

Well clearly the Scots didn't consider the General Election undemocratic when they were casting their votes, only now when they realise they voted for a bunch of opposition MPs. That's what democracy is, the rule of the majority. We English weren't too thrilled about having an unelected Scottish PM foisted upon us, whose strings were being pulled by the unelected Mandelson and Campbell.

In Scotland, the Scottish Labour party mantra was "vote Labour to keep the Tories out" - it almost worked

Set us free and go happily to right wing land

ENGERLAND ENGERLAND UBER ALLES

[Angus]

What I can agree on angus - Scottish Labour is tied to New Labour (english Labour) as english Labour knows that without Scotland, England has a clear Tory mandate. This is the reason I vote SNP (socialists who realise England is a right-wing country) rather than because I'm a raging Braveheart.

Look at the numbers, no need to fall in bed again with your ex-public school days fag David. We're clearly socialist - youz clearly Tory.

I totally respect your wish for independence, but from where I'm standing it just doesn't appear that the majority of Scots share your vision. I'm perfectly aware that it's a matter of economic expedience rather than any love of the English that keep the Scots from breaking free. So until Scotland is prepared to stand on its own two feet with no further subsidies from the English taxpayer, I can't see Scottish independence any time soon.

[Shasown]

1 in 5 voters voting for the SNP and Scottish Independence isnt a mandate for a free Scotland.

Get a grip and realise your lords and masters sold you out years ago, then as if to make sure you realised this they had a wee party in the Highlands.

So we sent one Englishman up to sort you all out and he did at Culloden. Duke of Cumberland was the only Englishman who RSVP'ed the invite.

Thats why you lot belong to us. In fact anywhere around the world people look upon you as little more than a county of England. Now shut up, wear your wee dress if you want but just accept the natural order of life!

[Claymores]

I totally respect your wish for independence, but from where I'm standing it just doesn't appear that the majority of Scots share your vision. I'm perfectly aware that it's a matter of economic expedience rather than any love of the English that keep the Scots from breaking free. So until Scotland is prepared to stand on its own two feet with no further subsidies from the English taxpayer, I can't see Scottish independence any time soon.

LOL - we're a poor socialist country I know - we accept that. If I was a raging Braveheart I'd ask for the effing billions back from Scottish waters that kept Maggie afloat.

The waters that have made Norway a nice rich place. But we were tied together at the time so London/SE was able to take advantage and fair enough - youz won in 1746, take the profits in 1970s

We can stand on 2 as a poor, underpriveleged nation angus.

[Claymores]

1 in 5 voters voting for the SNP and Scottish Independence isnt a mandate for a free Scotland.

The other 3 voted Scottish Labour to keep Davie out of No.10 is the problem I'm suggesting.

One Tory MP in a socialist country is untenable

[BB_Eye]

I really hope the Scots get their independence, but not until the UK has done with the FPTP system... otherwise we'll have a Tory government... forever.

[Shasown]

The other 3 voted Scottish Labour to keep Davie out of No.10 is the problem I'm suggesting.

One MP in a socialist country is untenable

You know what they call that

Tango Sierra.

You are in a democracy, you abide by the rules, you dont decide which ones to accept when you dont like the results.

Just accept it, its only for a maximum of 5 years.



PMSL

[Claymores]

. Now shut up, wear your wee dress if you want but just accept the natural order of life!

Yes - I'll become Harry Enfield's Tory Boy under your orders

[Shasown]

LOL - we're a poor socialist country I know - we accept that. If I was a raging Braveheart I'd ask for the effing billions back from Scottish waters that kept Maggie afloat.

The waters that have made Norway a nice rich place. But we were tied together at the time so London/SE was able to take advantage and fair enough - youz won in 1746, take the profits in 1970s

We can stand on 2 as a poor, underpriveleged nation angus.

The billions from Scottish waters, dream on more money was pumped back into Scotland than came from the oil industry.

Incidentally shouldnt that be Shetland waters as most UK companies pump out of the Shetland Basin, so shouldnt all you Scottish let the Shetlanders have their money?

[Claymores]

The billions from Scottish waters, dream on more money was pumped back into Scotland than came from the oil industry.

Incidentally shouldnt that be Shetland waters as most UK companies pump out of the Shetland Basin, so shouldnt all you Scottish let the Shetlanders have their money?

Shetland is part of Scotland - I fail to see the pont - as you know, I've never argued "it was Scotland's oil" as we were tied as UK by Parliament contracts. Only reason I mentioned it was angus suggesting we're soehow parasitic hawkers on their Tory England.

Let us be free poor buggers then - better than David.

[Shasown]

Shetland is part of Scotland - I fail to see the pont - as you know, I've never argued "it was Scotland's oil" as we were tied as UK by Parliament contracts. Only reason I mentioned it was angus suggesting we're soehow parasitic hawkers on their Tory England.

Let us be free poor buggers then - better than David.

Shetlanders have in the past asked for independence from Scotland, and its possible they will again if Scotland ever gets Independence from the UK.

Mind we like Scotland, its great for deer stalking and peasant (sic) shooting

[Claymores]

Shetlanders have in the past asked for independence from Scotland, and its possible they will again if Scotland ever gets Independence from the UK.

Mind we like Scotland, its great for deer stalking and peasant (sic) shooting

Now yer just talking Sh1e - can we cede Newcastle in exchange for Dumfies & Galloway then? Get rid of the Tories and get more socialists

[arista]

David And Alex are getting on Well.
David ,unlike that UnElected New Labour PM,
went up to see Alex right away.

The Conservative-LibDem Party
are a Revolution.

[James]

By oppression? like Maggie?

We have consistently voted socialist - even voted Scottish Labour to try keep the Tories out. Scotland has one Conservative MP who we'd gladly gift away to Engerland. Tories came 4th in the popular vote, Scotland has minority sociialist parliament.

It all seems untenable as we have nothing to do with England thought-wise about what we want

It's a UK parliament though and different parts of the country vote for different parties. London has a majority of Labour MPs but is still subject to Conservative (and Lib Dem) rule.

Maybe a more interesting question is why Scottish MPs can vote on legislation that only affects England, and has no impact on Scotland because of devolution.

[Claymores]

It's a UK parliament though and different parts of the country vote for different parties. London has a majority of Labour MPs but is still subject to Conservative (and Lib Dem) rule.

Maybe a more interesting question is why Scottish MPs can vote on legislation that only affects England, and has no impact on Scotland because of devolution.

That's called the Linlithgow question first raised by Tam Dayell (unionist labour MP where now we have an SNP Council).

I'd quite happily solve the Linlithgow question - let us separate. Labour's big play in Scotland was "Vote Labour to keep Tory rule out". 4 of 5 in Scotland still voted socialist of one party or another - England voted Tory. Seems incongrueous to have you rule us.

Unlike parts of London vs say Essex, we have a distict national identity (1st question they ask you in Politics I is what is the difference between a nation and a state). Ask yer London pals if they feel English. Ask Scots if they feel dienfanchised with Pinky & Perky @ No.10

[arista]

"England voted Tory. "

Yes and ended up with Conservative -LibDem Party.

In Scotland the Lib Dem Rule
there PM is David.


Deal with it.

[Claymores]

"England voted Tory. "

Yes and ended up with Conservative -LibDem Party.

In Scotland the Lib Dem Rule
there PM is David.


Deal with it.

Are you back in lalaland again? Lib Dem Rule? I suggest you go to Scottish Parliament sites

[arista]

Are you back in lalaland again? Lib Dem Rule? I suggest you go to Scottish Parliament sites


1 SNP
1 or 2 Labour
19 LibDem

in the Alex area.

[Claymores]

1 SNP
1 or 2 Labour
19 LibDem

in the Alex area.

hahahahaha - what are you smoking? Lib/Dem have 19 MPs in Scotland and Scotland has "1 or 2 Labour"???? How is life on the roof in lalaland?

Geez a puff of yer stuff - fresh in from Holland?

[arista]

hahahahaha - what are you smoking? Lib/Dem have 19 MPs in Scotland and Scotland has "1 or 2 Labour"???? How is life on the roof in lalaland?

Geez a puff of yer stuff - fresh in from Holland?


Puff No.

[arista]

Tell us how
many LibDems in Alex's area then.

[Shasown]

That's called the Linlithgow question first raised by Tam Dayell (unionist labour MP where now we have an SNP Council).

I'd quite happily solve the Linlithgow question - let us separate. Labour's big play in Scotland was "Vote Labour to keep Tory rule out". 4 of 5 in Scotland still voted socialist of one party or another - England voted Tory. Seems incongrueous to have you rule us.

Unlike parts of London vs say Essex, we have a distict national identity (1st question they ask you in Politics I is what is the difference between a nation and a state). Ask yer London pals if they feel English. Ask Scots if they feel dienfanchised with Pinky & Perky @ No.10



No mate thats called democracy.

Speaking of which simply coz you and some other Scots dont want to be part of the United Kingdom but think you would be better off on your own, why should that be applied to all Scots, if the whole of Scotland was so anti Britain wouldnt we have majority SNP rule in the Scottish Parliament and also more SNP MPs sitting in Westminster.

[arista]

"Maybe a more interesting question is why Scottish MPs can vote on legislation that only affects England, and has no impact on Scotland because of devolution. "


Yes something David our PM
is looking into.

[arista]

I Would love to see A Republic of Scotland
but they have not got the votes for it , yet.

[Claymores]

"Maybe a more interesting question is why Scottish MPs can vote on legislation that only affects England, and has no impact on Scotland because of devolution. "


Yes something David our PM
is looking into.

Hello from real world - James mentioned it above - it's called 'the Lintithgow question' and I gave my solution to it. Any more Lib/Dems just got elected in lalaland?

[Claymores]

I Would love to see A Republic of Scotland
but they have not got the votes for it , yet.

That is cryptic - does the republic of Lalaland have a tory government with 19 representatives from Scotland?

[Shasown]

Now yer just talking Sh1e - can we cede Newcastle in exchange for Dumfies & Galloway then? Get rid of the Tories and get more socialists

Talking sh1te? Moi? really?

Sorry mate, would like to read this article

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article5120287.ece

I could post a lot more on the subject but the one will suffice I think. Mind you could do some work yourself and look up the recent history of Forvik Island (Papa Stour) or you could have a look at the Shetlink site (http://www.shetlink.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=147271 that post in particular)

Then come back and amend your post. Maybe you could even post some credible evidence supporting a claim that Scotland as a nation wants to be Independant.

It would appear that ignorance of whats going on in Scotland isnt just rife south of the border.

[Claymores]

Tell us how
many LibDems in Alex's area then.

Alex must have 19 friends whoever the eff Alex is

I've got 20 English pals in Labour Party - we won all English Constituencies - clean sweep

[arista]

That is cryptic - does the republic of Lalaland have a tory government with 19 representatives from Scotland?


We are not under Conservative Rule
Why in the Blue Hell can you not work that out.


We are under Conservative-LibDem Party.


5 Years


Deal With It.

[arista]

Alex must have 19 friends whoever the eff Alex is

I've got 20 English pals in Labour Party - we won all English Constituencies - clean sweep


Labour
who are they?

[Claymores]

We are not under Conservative Rule
Why in the Blue Hell can you not work that out.


We are under Conservative-LibDem Party.


5 Years


Deal With It.

With the 19 Lib/Dems we sent from Scotland - hahahahaha

[Claymores]

Really hot stuff arista? imported from lalaland?

[arista]

Really hot stuff arista? imported from lalaland?


hot stuff


No


Its your thread
Enjoy it.

[Claymores]

hot stuff


No


Its your thread
Enjoy it.

Thanks pal - I DID enjoy the 19 Lib/Dems and "1 or 2 Labour" - makes sense to me now why Scotland is so pro-Pinky n Perky pact.

You taught me - foolish Ian, I thought Scottish Labour sent 41 and that's essentially why a hung parliament

I had foolishly remembered Alex Salmond leads a minority Scottish Parliament supported by Scottish Labour who belivee in the socialist policies - your pal Alex says we have no support in Scotland

I foolishly believed many Scottish Councils have turned SNP in sickness that New Labour was a bit Tony (Tory)

Foo;lish Scottish - take our votes away

[AndyJK]

By oppression? like Maggie?

We have consistently voted socialist - even voted Scottish Labour to try keep the Tories out. Scotland has one Conservative MP who we'd gladly gift away to Engerland. Tories came 4th in the popular vote, Scotland has minority sociialist parliament.

It all seems untenable as we have nothing to do with England thought-wise about what we want

The only socialist party winning seats in Scotland is the SNP (6 to be exact). Labour ceased being a socialist party when leader John Smith died in 1994. You do have your own parliament which is entirely made up of Scots, so what are you complaining about? Have you not noticed it? It's in Holyrood, you know that place that cost millions of (English) tax payers money to refurbish. It just goes to show how little you know about politics, doesn't it?

Obviously you're a Celt, you hate the English and you want to be shot of us. Fair enough. The problem is, and as I said in another thread, England does not chain the Scots to be a part of the UK. You Scots have the option to get independence at every general election, but only a minority seem to want it. I wonder why.

[Claymores]

The only socialist party winning seats in Scotland is the SNP (6 to be exact). Labour ceased being a socialist party when leader John Smith died in 1994. You do have your own parliament which is entirely made up of Scots, so what are you complaining about? Have you not noticed it? It's in Holyrood, you know that place that cost millions of (English) tax payers money to refurbish. It just goes to show how little you know about politics, doesn't it?

Obviously you're a Celt, you hate the English and you want to be shot of us. Fair enough. The problem is, and as I said in another thread, England does not chain the Scots to be a part of the UK. You Scots have the option to get independence at every general election, but only a minority seem to want it. I wonder why.

As mentioned above - Scottish Labour is different from your English version called New Labour to appease the middle England who were a bit unsure about getting rid of the Tories in '97

If you wish to count socialists, count 6 plus 41 Scottish Labour MPs which essentially hung your Parliament. Take them out and you have your right wing public school Tory Govt. No need to fall in bed with the Lib/Dem leader who was at public school with David. (The word 'fag' from English public school thing certainly comes to mind)

At every general election we vote Scottish Labour to try to keep the Tories out of a UK Parliament. At national level we have a minority SNP govt. because we know they're socialists under the guise of SNP. At local level SNP cannot go forwards as local people vote for socialist Scottish Labour.......but SNP socialists have taken a few significant areas even over socialist Scottish Labour.

I do know a bit about politics kiddo as my 1st degree from EDI was in politics/social policy. I'm currently working for a large Scottish local authority and regularly chat with the other officials @ Hollyrood. Tell me your credentials to be able to talk utter bollox.

PS Andy - we regard Engerland as being England/Wales - same laws, same voting patterns - so I wish my socialist country to be free from England/Wales as you'd then have to call it on the geography books/maps. Maybe just call it Engerland for ease and forget the Welsh attachment.

PPS - Hollyrood was not refurbished - was built from new by Tony at a cost of millions over-budget, designed by a Spanish Architect who fortunately is dead as got open wallet by Westwinster or he's still be making adjustments! Tone's way of appeasing the 41 Scottish Labour MPs who helped put him in power in '97 by giving us limited powers.

[Shasown]

I do know a bit about politics kiddo as my 1st degree from EDI was in politics/social policy. I'm currently working for a large Scottish local authority and regularly chat with the other officials @ Hollyrood. Tell me your credentials to be able to talk utter bollox.

PS Andy - we regard Engerland as being England/Wales - same laws, same voting patterns - so I wish my socialist country to be free from England/Wales as you'd then have to call it on the geography books/maps. Maybe just call it Engerland for ease and forget the Welsh attachment.



Was you at Ember while Tony was there?

No you call it Engerland to wind up Englanders. Coz you are an Engerland hating Scotchman

[Claymores]

Was you at Ember uni while Tony was there?

No you call it Engerland to wind up Englanders. Coz you are an Engerland hating Scotchman

I believe Tone wasn't accepted at my Alma Mater as not even his public school from EDI (Fettes) could fake the marks.

And yes - I'm winding people as usual Shas as stoopid Schotcher

[Shasown]

I believe Tone wasn't accepted at my Alma Mater as not even his public school from EDI (Fettes) could fake the marks.

And yes - I'm winding people as usual Shas as stoopid Schotcher

You naughty naughty man you..

Tony got into Oxford though where he got a very unremarkable second in Law. Daddy wasnt too impressed.

[Claymores]

You naughty naughty man you..

Tony got into Oxford though where he got a very unremarkable second in Law. Daddy wasnt too impressed.

You're the naughty lad - go sit on the bucket Oor Wullie!

I'm not nearly as old as you n Tone even if he had been accepted by EDI - Oxford just took the cash kiddo!

[Claymores]

You Scots have the option to get independence at every general election, but only a minority seem to want it. I wonder why.

If we'd returned 6 SNP and 41 Scottish Labour (oops we did) at the general UK election, or 47 SNP what difference does this make prey tell Einstein? Would Davie boy not be @ No.10 ? Would you have let us go free instantly so no hung Parliament and can go Tory Greater England????

Scottish Labour MSPs work with the minority SNP Government at Hollyrood as we're all socialists unlike Engerland

I have to wonder why the Tories have only 1 MP in Scotland, yet you rule us. Not tenable.

If you take it down to being a "Celt" and name calling, then fine. I'm happy to be a socialist Celt and unhappy we're ruled by an Engerland who do not reflect what we overwhelmingly voted where the Tories are 4th party in my socialist country. I'm not necessarily anti-Engerland, or anti-Engerlish - I just believe we have voted overwhelmingly different from England/Wales and have little to do with "Greater England" (what I think it should be called on in the map encompassing the principality of former Wales once we're free). GE on the map

[AndyJK]

As mentioned above - Scottish Labour is different from your English version called New Labour to appease the middle England who were a bit unsure about getting rid of the Tories in '97

If you wish to count socialists, count 6 plus 41 Scottish Labour MPs which essentially hung your Parliament. Take them out and you have your right wing public school Tory Govt. No need to fall in bed with the Lib/Dem leader who was at public school with David. (The word 'fag' from English public school thing certainly comes to mind)



How many of the current cabinet went to public school?


At every general election we vote Scottish Labour to try to keep the Tories out of a UK Parliament. At national level we have a minority SNP govt. because we know they're socialists under the guise of SNP. At local level SNP cannot go forwards as local people vote for socialist Scottish Labour.......but SNP socialists have taken a few significant areas even over socialist Scottish Labour.

You have said you feel "Scotland is chained to England", so shouldn't you feel angry with your fellow tribes people for not voting SNP and gaining full independence? I assume that's what you want. You should feel lucky in England there is no chance of a nationalist party even getting a seat in parliament let alone independence for England. So we certainly feel chained to you Scots and have to put up with a lot of your people's hatred for class and a capitalist system Scotland has benefited considerably from, yet a lot of you consistently moan about. A good example of a case of biting the hand that feeds you.


I do know a bit about politics kiddo as my 1st degree from EDI was in politics/social policy. I'm currently working for a large Scottish local authority and regularly chat with the other officials @ Hollyrood. Tell me your credentials to be able to talk utter bollox.

Did you pay any tuition fees for your degree? Your education towers above mine. I only went to a state school and had a year at college. As a class warrior and a socialist I am surprised you're getting haughty at your education. Is this because you want to feel intellectually superior to me? Why else would you bring it up?

[AndyJK]

If we'd returned 6 SNP and 41 Scottish Labour (oops we did) at the general UK election, or 47 SNP what difference does this make prey tell Einstein? Would Davie boy not be @ No.10 ? Would you have let us go free instantly so no hung Parliament and can go Tory Greater England????

Scottish Labour MSPs work with the minority SNP Government at Hollyrood as we're all socialists unlike Engerland

I have to wonder why the Tories have only 1 MP in Scotland, yet you rule us. Not tenable.

If you take it down to being a "Celt" and name calling, then fine. I'm happy to be a socialist Celt and unhappy we're ruled by an Engerland who do not reflect what we overwhelmingly voted where the Tories are 4th party in my socialist country. I'm not necessarily anti-Engerland, or anti-Engerlish - I just believe we have voted overwhelmingly different from England/Wales and have little to do with "Greater England" (what I think it should be called on in the map encompassing the principality of former Wales once we're free). GE on the map

If you elect 47 SNP MPs that would surely give you the right to declare full independence, if it doesn't then people have to ask what is the purpose of the SNP. Considering more people in England at the 2005 general election voted Conservative is it tenable that a Labour government should rule with a 66 majority?

If you're happy for people in Scotland voting Labour that's fine, just remember you are part of the UK and therefore you have to respect how other people in the country vote who have opposite views to you.

[karezza]

Alex Salmond said half the Scottish population was English or of English descent, the other half is of Irish descent.
Ergo Scotland does not exist.

[MojoNixon]

By oppression? like Maggie?

We have consistently voted socialist - even voted Scottish Labour to try keep the Tories out. Scotland has one Conservative MP who we'd gladly gift away to Engerland. Tories came 4th in the popular vote, Scotland has minority sociialist parliament.

It all seems untenable as we have nothing to do with England thought-wise about what we want

But they still do :xyxwave:

[Claymores]

If you elect 47 SNP MPs that would surely give you the right to declare full independence, if it doesn't then people have to ask what is the purpose of the SNP. Considering more people in England at the 2005 general election voted Conservative is it tenable that a Labour government should rule with a 66 majority?

If you're happy for people in Scotland voting Labour that's fine, just remember you are part of the UK and therefore you have to respect how other people in the country vote who have opposite views to you.

Doh Homer - we declare to be socialist by having 80+% voting for socialist party's every time of asking at UK, National or local elections.

I really don't mind if their colour is SNP or Scottish Labour. Once we're free you'd have to presume SNP disappears and we vote on other things - one socialist's avowed election points as against anothers

Now you've suddely changed tune from 'if Scotland wanted to vote freedom in general election' to 'you have to respect others in UK'. Make up your mind silly child - Scotland did and returned 47 socialists to your David Cameron public school-fest.

[Claymores]

Alex Salmond said half the Scottish population was English or of English descent, the other half is of Irish descent.
Ergo Scotland does not exist.

I know Alex quite well as used to drink with him in the pubs in EDI when my flatmate was the leading SNP student in SNP group (I was not). Tell me where/when he said that nonesense you just tried to quote and I'll get his response.

[Claymores]

But they still do :xyxwave:

That's why I have the hump! Trust you virtual say 'tough cheese old boy'

[James]

The only socialist parties in Scotland are on the fringes... meaning whichever party Tommy Sheridan is a member of these days.

Labour in Scotland is the same as UK New Labour. The Scottish MPs agreed to stand under its manifesto so must agree with its policies.

[Claymores]

How many of the current cabinet went to public school?

Who gives an eff - it is the Greater Engerland Govt.



You have said you feel "Scotland is chained to England", so shouldn't you feel angry with your fellow tribes people for not voting SNP and gaining full independence? I assume that's what you want. You should feel lucky in England there is no chance of a nationalist party even getting a seat in parliament let alone independence for England. So we certainly feel chained to you Scots and have to put up with a lot of your people's hatred for class and a capitalist system Scotland has benefited considerably from, yet a lot of you consistently moan about. A good example of a case of biting the hand that feeds you.


That is just tosh not worthy of a response


Did you pay any tuition fees for your degree? Your education towers above mine. I only went to a state school and had a year at college. As a class warrior and a socialist I am surprised you're getting haughty at your education. Is this because you want to feel intellectually superior to me? Why else would you bring it up?

I went to public school kiddo - they let all the public in, anyone at my school. The Government paid my tuition fees unnder the 1st as was the styleee of the time. My employers paid for the 2nd n 3rd. Where is yer problem with that kiddo?

[Claymores]

The only socialist parties in Scotland are on the fringes... meaning whichever party Tommy Sheridan is a member of these days.

Labour in Scotland is the same as UK New Labour. The Scottish MPs agreed to stand under its manifesto so must agree with its policies.

And that's why we have a minority SNP government @ Hollyrood who refused to fall into bed Lib/Dems to gain a majority but instead work with the other socialists to form a working government eh James?

Come teach our kids politics 1.01 - you seem very knowlegable James (sic) So knowlegable you only know someone who has been on BB

PAH

[James]

And that's why we have a minority SNP government @ Hollyrood who refused to fall into bed Lib/Dems to gain a majority but instead work with the other socialists to form a working government eh James?

Come teach our kids politics 1.01 - you seem very knowledgable James (sic) So knowledgable you only know someone who has been on BB

PAH

But your argument about the Tories not being entitled to rule Scotland only relates to the UK government; Holyrood doesn't come in to it as that has a different ruling party.

And the UK Labour party is the same as Scottish Labour when it comes to UK elections.

[Claymores]

But your argument about the Tories not being entitled to rule Scotland only relates to the UK government; Holyrood doesn't come in to it as that has a different ruling party.

And the UK Labour party is the same as Scottish Labour when it comes to UK elections.

If you go back to the opening post, my argument relates to Scotland being an essentialy socialist country now ruled by a Tory Government. In Scotland yez have one MP, no mandate.

Others brought in national and local elections..............socialists similarly win 80+% of the popular vote in each, hence a socialist Hollyrood.

Explain to me like I'm a 5 year old why a distincly different country should be ruled by your government????

[AndyJK]

How many of the current cabinet went to public school?

Who gives an eff - it is the Greater Engerland Govt.



You have said you feel "Scotland is chained to England", so shouldn't you feel angry with your fellow tribes people for not voting SNP and gaining full independence? I assume that's what you want. You should feel lucky in England there is no chance of a nationalist party even getting a seat in parliament let alone independence for England. So we certainly feel chained to you Scots and have to put up with a lot of your people's hatred for class and a capitalist system Scotland has benefited considerably from, yet a lot of you consistently moan about. A good example of a case of biting the hand that feeds you.


That is just tosh not worthy of a response


Did you pay any tuition fees for your degree? Your education towers above mine. I only went to a state school and had a year at college. As a class warrior and a socialist I am surprised you're getting haughty at your education. Is this because you want to feel intellectually superior to me? Why else would you bring it up?

I went to public school kiddo - they let all the public in, anyone at my school. The Government paid my tuition fees unnder the 1st as was the styleee of the time. My employers paid for the 2nd n 3rd. Where is yer problem with that kiddo?

lol best we leave it there. I have no time for you at all. You're a waste of space.

[Claymores]

lol best we leave it there. I have no time for you at all. You're a waste of space.

I love when people become incapable of defending an indefensible position - a bit like Davie boy with Scotland.