Why David Confirms C4 as AntiChristian...

[ElProximo]

Many of you don't know this but I applied for BB last season and removed my application when (among other reasons) I became entirely aware C4 was specifically looking for a 'fool Christian'.
A rather unhappy rant from me went to C4 where I made it clear I was aware they deliberately intended to find 'wacko Christians' who they would then use to humiliate and essentially 'antichristian propaganda'.

I believed I had been correct when they found Stephen Baldwin but I also thought they made a mistake and, if anything, Stephen 'backfired' on them and wasn't the 'foolish ridiculous Christian' they hoped for.

Well LOW AND BEHOLD - guess who they DID find?
David Vaughan!
In case you are wondering - David and his occult wacko buddies are exactly who I was arguing with during application process days.

In fact I'm now starting to suspect it is BECAUSE I blatantly told David he was shaming Christianity that BB PICKED HIM AT ALL!
I almost feel responsible for this - did I lead BB right to the very thing I complained about??

In case you don't know - David is part of a bizarre 'christian' cult group that is infatuated with getting drunk or high in the spirit.
To Christians this group is considered one of the most disgusting, shameful and revolting cult groups going,
and,
especially because they do insist they are just another group or denomination of evangelicals.
(they are also infatuated with bizarre catholic mysticism'

Here is a few people shaming Christianity with some of the most disgusting and offensive behavior:
(Just as C4 wanted all along)

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More of this disgrace

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So Congrats C4 - even after you were called out on deliberately finding the most shameful and worst 'christians' for your antichristians agenda you still kept at it and finally found the ultimate antichristian propaganda HM!
Well done you got what you wanted!

[ElProximo]

For those interested in joining David's 'Christian' Church group...

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[billy123]

religion is outdated disproved and forgotten by 90% of the world who cares about religion it is irrelevant to the modern world.

[CaraRawr]

hmm, not good. *is a christian*

[billy123]

hmm, not good. *is a christian*
a lot of uneducated people are.

[Sticks]

He clearly has never read Romans chapter 6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%206&version=NIV) if that is the case.

In fact the apostle Paul had to counter the idea that by "sinning" they increased the amount of grace around.

In my days when I did internal affairs investigation we would have been down on him like a tonne of bricks

As for cults or as we called the "New Religious movements" I did studies on them for personal reasons and gathered dossier files on the various groups for countering purposes. A lot of the material came from an organisation called Reachout Trust who deal with this sort of problem.

[ElProximo]

In my days when I did internal affairs investigation we would have been down on him like a tonne of bricks

As for cults or as we called the "New Religious movements" I did studies on them for personal reasons and gathered dossier files on the various groups for countering purposes. A lot of the material came from an organisation called Reachout Trust who deal with this sort of problem.

And to be serious here a lot of people may just want to laugh this stuff off as some wacko evangelicals going too far,
but,
realistically there can and have been serious consequences to these sort of pseudo-christian movements and I can tell you they are happy to draw in and involve people with psychological and emotional problems and in this case add alcohol and drug problems (brain damage, impairment, cognitive disorders).
OK.
Then the last thing these people need is to get pulled deeper and further into zealous, psychosomatic, hypnotic and often extremely manipulative emotional states,
and,
guess who ends up visiting them in the mental hospital?
Me.
Only problem is that while I'm trying to get them back to reality someone like David shows up and undoes any progress and (in good cult like fashion) convinces them I am obviously unsaved, unbaptized in the spirit or whatever crap they are on about.

Over on this side of the pond the ones I have had to deal with are people like Todd Bentley and more locally Patricia King.

Again, people will (for a while) mistakenly think David is just a funny prankster sort of guy or a 'jesus hippy' throwback,
but,
make no mistake about it - these kinds of groups cause real and serious damage and exploitation to what is often the most vulnerable people,
and,
I am serious when I say this is outraging and considered highly offensive by Christians.
Consider this - I showed a few clips of David and his mystic priest Crowder to some pentecostal charismatic american holy roller christians
and they were absolutely DISGUSTED and quite seriously so repulsed they could barely tolerate it without feeling physically ill,
and,
wow that is that saying something when even Pentecostals think David a complete wacko and an offense to Christianity.

btw i've gotten into this with David, Crowder, Dunn and some of their friends well before this season and none of this is because of 'David the Housemate' who I notice is being fairly quiet so far.

Oh, in case you were wondering - he isn't really a monk although this cult group is into a kind of Roman Catholic Mysticism and takes up sort of mystic symbols and garb and accessories of that.

Vinnie on youtube did a superb job exposing the bizarre and pseudochristian falsehoods and cult and occult nonsense of these guys:
David's Prophet:
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(well David is also considered a prophet and leader too. but Crowder is like their current High-Priest. I believe the dead mystic guy is their actual 'Pope')

[fruit_cake]

if Mr Cameron is so christian, how about he spread out his family fortune just like jesus did with the bread?

[billy123]

if anybody was interestested in my previous supposition that el proximo was a christian living in northern ireland living in close proximity to catholics he refused to comment but i had it confirmed by another forum user ;)
and if anybody wondered whether he took me up on my suggestion that we take part in a civilised discussion outside of the forum well that was ignored as well ;)

the other discussion was here if anybody is interested http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139884
all requests to discuss religion either on or off the forum were refused by el proximo as expected.

[bansheewails]

I consider my own religion (born into it of course) as an extreme occult. I was born a catholic. Lets face it written on paper : A virgin Birth, a son who can walk on water, rising from the grave, ascention into heaven. All taught to us by an old man in a dress in roman who is appearently 'infallible'.

All religions could be call occults!

[ElProximo]

if anybody was interestested in my previous supposition that el proximo was a christian living in northern ireland living in close proximity to catholics he refused to comment but i had it confirmed by another forum user ;)

I am nowhere near there but even if I was it wouldn't change anything I am telling you here.

and if anybody wondered whether he took me up on my suggestion that we take part in a civilised discussion outside of the forum well that was ignored as well ;)

I suggested we did not go derailing topics into 'atheism versus religion' debate threads.

the other discussion was here if anybody is interested http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139884
all requests to discuss religion either on or off the forum were refused by el proximo ;)

That should be somewhere in the 'Serious Debates' section and not on this board.
In this case we are specifically talking about Christianity in relation to David and what it will mean to BB11 etc.

You are not anywhere near my league on this particular topic and haven't earned the right to be 'calling people out' on it.
But,
Feel free to start something in 'Serious debates' section and I'm sure some will chime in.

[Rob54]

The guy is a muppet and that has nothing to do with his religion, he is a barbaric fox hunting moron :nono: that doesn't give a $hit for animal rights.
He'll get my vote all right a vote to evict, along with 46,000 others on the facebook save-me page :wavey:
Probably not a good idea to pi$$ off so many folks when your'e on a popularity show, we can't wait for him to go.

[Crimson Dynamo]

religion is outdated disproved and forgotten by 90% of the world who cares about religion it is irrelevant to the modern world.

Christians 2.3 billion

Islam 1.2 billion

world pop 6.8 billion

not to mention Hinduism, Buddhism etc


try looking past your nose

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is to Christians what 99% of the homosexuals on BB have been to Gays (Marco, Keemal, David..)

at least they seem to have found a regular gay in The Mole it seems so far.

[ElProximo]

Christians 2.3 billion

Islam 1.2 billion

world pop 6.8 billion

not to mention Hinduism, Buddhism etc


try looking past your nose


A 2005 survey published in Encyclopædia Britannica found that the non-religious made up about 11.9% of the world's population, and atheists about 2.3%.

The idea of religion 'disappearing' in the wake of modernization, technological convenience and scientific progress is really a phenomenon unique to western societies,
but,
is not shared by the vast majority of people around the world who see no correlation and in maintain their religions (and even increase) the more modern and advanced the other parts of their societies become.

One example I can give you is the astonishingly and increasingly progressive Mainland China where Christianity (as well as Buddhism and other religions) are increasing and growing despite plenty of efforts to slow them down. This is coinciding with astonishing 'modernization' and fast growing science and technology.

But then again the same person who insists that 'most people are leaving religion' is the same person who actually challenged me to watch 'Zeitgeist' and believed it somehow 'proved christianity is false' FFS

Anyways,
I don't want to pull this topic off of David and C4 and BB11

I should also say some off us discussed this very thing with with CBB Stephen and how it was obvious they wanted to find a 'fool Christian' for the specific purpose of badly representing Christianity in the BB house.
BB ended up looking a little stupid on that one.
So,
Yes I think they found their perfect 'stooge' in David who will do a great job for them.

[AfroMullet]

religion is outdated disproved and forgotten by 90% of the world who cares about religion it is irrelevant to the modern world.

LOL, that has to be the stupidest thing ive read in my life.

But yeah that cult is some bull****, they need to stop using gods name to try and justify there bull****, then again, thats what devils do and then suck in the dumb, deaf and blind and bring them down with them.

[Stu]

hmm, not good. *is a christian*
How often do you read scripture? Go to church?

[Genuinly interested here. Never had your pegged as a Christian, but too many people call themselves Christian and are in fact not].
LOL, that has to be the stupidest thing ive read in my life.

But yeah that cult is some bull****, they need to stop using gods name to try and justify there bull****, then again, thats what devils do and then suck in the dumb, deaf and blind and bring them down with them.
What a charming custom status. I wonder did you think anyone would notice.

Sizzla's a silly homophobe.

[AfroMullet]

Hahaha to be honest no i didnt think anyone would notice/understand the referance, fair play.

As for Sizzla, silly? No. Homophobe? Most definatly, but rasta man dont apologize to.. Well you know the rest.

[Stu]

I much prefer the rastas who believe in the mantras of judge not and unconditional peace and love to all. That in my mind is what rastafari is about. Not the Bobo Ashanti nuts who are just another tired hate group hiding behind a ganja plant.

Fascinating culture.

[CaraRawr]

How often do you read scripture? Go to church?

[Genuinly interested here. Never had your pegged as a Christian, but too many people call themselves Christian and are in fact not].

Going to be honest, I don't go to church much and I read the bible sometimes. But I've been brought up on Christianity and it's what I believe in and always have done. Haha, I'm not the most dedicated follower if I'm perfectly honest but I still love God, pray and all that.

[Stu]

How do you know your god is the correct one? It's merely the way you were brought up. Sorry if I sound antagonising, because I believe in [some sort of] god too, but I don't get the idea of ultraspecific religions, books etc.

If your parents lived in Iran then chances are you would be a Muslim and would see Allah as the correct god.

[Niall]

How do you know your god is the correct one? It's merely the way you were brought up. Sorry if I sound antagonising, because I believe in [some sort of] god too, but I don't get the idea of ultraspecific religions, books etc.

If your parents lived in Iran then chances are you would be a Muslim and would see Allah as the correct god.

Well its kinda like growing up and being told you whole life that a fork is a spoon (if you know what I mean).

I'm catholic but I'm not getting confirmed -- some things in my religion I don't agree with, but I still would go to Catholic mass if given the choice and I also pray regularly :) .

[Saph]

i didnt even realise there still were strict Christians in this day in age xD I think most people take religion as a joke nowadays.

[InOne]

I don't like this Evangelical 'cool to be Christian' attitude that some have seemed to have adopted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i didnt even realise there still were strict Christians in this day in age xD I think most people take religion as a joke nowadays.

you do realise that there are people outside of your friends, other streets, schools other towns, cities, countries, continents?:conf:


Jesus H Christ - some people on Tibb take the biscuit (and wine)

[Stu]

I don't like this Evangelical 'cool to be Christian' attitude that some have seemed to have adopted.
Yeah it's becoming a cool thing to do in a lot of scene circles now, purely because most other teens have ditched religious belief, and these twerps will do anything to appear different.
you do realise that there are people outside of your friends, other streets, schools other towns, cities, countries, continents?:conf:


Jesus H Christ - some people on Tibb take the biscuit (and wine)
Yeah there are a lot of Christians but how many could really be considered to be Christian? A huge amount of people will just say 'Christian' in surveys but Christianity has no active part of their life and they have an abysmal understanding of the scripture.

You should know this better than anyone.

I'm not saying Christians don't exist or people who don't take religion seriousy - that's absurd - but in most suburbs there seems to be a relaxed, apathetic view to the whole thing. I should know. I live in that kind of house.

My own parents are what I would call 'Christian by default'. There's a lovely little picture of Jesus on the wall at the top of the stairs but apart from that ... ?

[BB_Eye]

To be honest El Proximo, you would have made as fine a piece of living, breathing satire as any if Channel 4 had it in for Christians.

[billy123]

To be honest El Proximo, you would have made as fine a piece of living, breathing satire as any if Channel 4 had it in for Christians.
Amen to that :hugesmile: a christian extremist not everyday you see one of them.

[billy123]

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[ElProximo]

LOL, that has to be the stupidest thing ive read in my life.

But yeah that cult is some bull****, they need to stop using gods name to try and justify there bull****, then again, thats what devils do and then suck in the dumb, deaf and blind and bring them down with them.


Bang-on!

The first time I saw David and these guys on youtube I presumed these were a few would-be comedians taking the piss or even actors making a documentary on Christian gullibility.

[Sticks]

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This ignores the fact that it was the early Christian thinkers who engaged in science because they felt it was their divine duty to study God's creation as much as the Bible, leading to scientific investigation in the west. (Copernicus was a member of the Catholic church and Kepler the Lutheran church to name but two)

It also ignores the current work carried out by scientists who are comited Christians, one of whom used to be a member of our congregation until he moved to Oban in Scotland.

It also ignores the work of the Vatican Observatory...

[JTM45]

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

Blind faith for sightless people!

[charmingmissc]

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

Blind faith for sightless people!


i agree totally.

[stonedape]

TBH I thought David was dead weight, but if he's legitimately pissing off Christians I say keep him in!

Before throwing stones at David for his newagejunkie interpretation of Christianity, note that all Christians today over/underemphasis certain verses, take different ones literally, see different parts as archaic, or dont read the thing at all. Catholics especially have no business getting defensive with their popes, saints, and other arbitrary rules. As far as I'm concerned, David's group emphasizes the happy parts and omits the cruel, and I'm ultimately more OK with that situation than the inverse.

Even though I think all religion is rubbish. And not taking the book you claim to be the inherent word of God 100% literally is intellectually dishonest.

/rant

[ElProximo]

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

Blind faith for sightless people!


You could not be more wrong and so far off the mark. Not even close!
Not even close!

Almost EVERY war in human history is over the same thing - land.
Land and the resources in the land.
It is nearly EVERY WAR in the history of mankind.

Who do you think you are just making up totally false history like that and then trying to convince people of such a thing?

but if he's legitimately pissing off Christians I say keep him in!

Oh that is nice of you. I bet you go around telling people you are fair to minorities and don't believe in hating different groups,
yet,
you are delighted to see this group get shamed and pissed on. Really good!

As far as I'm concerned, David's group emphasizes the happy parts and omits the cruel,

No, David's group emphasizes being high out of their minds, being in completely bewildered useless mental states, being so zoned out they can't drive or help their children and being so drunk they embarrass themselves as well as family and friends.

[stonedape]

I don't see how David "getting high on Jesus" is any different than pentecostals speaking in tongues, or being zoned for months is any different than being a priest who sits in the same building reading the same book their entire life without raising a family or making other friends in the first place. I just don't see how you can be so judgmental when it comes this variation of Christianity when there are already so many wacky versions out there.

The random ad hominem about minorities and taking everything SUPER. PERSONALLY. is not necessary. I think him pissing off Christians is interesting because anyone pissing off the audience is interesting, especially from a religious angle, because reality tv never goes there.

btw: christians aren't a minority in the first place. You're the largest religion in the world..it's time to get over the persecution complex.

[Saph]

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.


yeah! Agreed

[ElProximo]

yeah! Agreed

Well then you are now dumber than before. You agreed with something that is blatantly and obviously not true and is actually very very well documented throughout world history.


or being zoned for months is any different than being a priest who sits in the same building reading the same book their entire life without raising a family or making other friends in the first place.

Priest's don't sit in the same building reading the same books their entire lives without making friends,
but,
that you cannot 'see the difference' between that and someone using psychosomatic autosuggestion to become a stupefied, blithering, drunken incoherent babbling moron?
Then maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to discern massive differences between things in life.
Come on now?

[billy123]

Well then you are now dumber than before. You agreed with something that is blatantly and obviously not true and is actually very very well documented throughout world history.




Priest's don't sit in the same building reading the same books their entire lives without making friends,
but,
that you cannot 'see the difference' between that and someone using psychosomatic autosuggestion to become a stupefied, blithering, drunken incoherent babbling moron?
Then maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to discern massive differences between things in life.
Come on now?
wow just wow a religious nut pursuing another religious nut around the internet for years on end and then having the nerve to call other people that have already worked out that religion is bullshit incapable.
you couldnt script this its ****ing gold pure gold i cant wait to show these screencaps to people.
i know devout christians that will hate this nobber never mind anyone else :hugesmile::hugesmile::hugesmile::hugesmile:

[Saph]

Well then you are now dumber than before. You agreed with something that is blatantly and obviously not true and is actually very very well documented throughout world history.


Nice :whistle:

have a read of this, http://justsaynotoreligion.com/religious-wars/ :blush: Its all about religious wars :dance:

[ElProximo]

wow just wow a religious nut pursuing ...

Shhhhhh.... stop interupting. Just 'shushhhhh'.
thx

[billy123]

Shhhhhh.... stop interupting. Just 'shushhhhh'.
thx
haha your gimp mask is very fitting everybody can see my post just 2 above yours,
you arent doing Christianity any favours eek its a bit cringe worthy probably best you quit while you are behind.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

Blind faith for sightless people!

the classic straw man hath emerged :joker:

[ElProximo]

Nice :whistle:

have a read of this, http://justsaynotoreligion.com/religious-wars/ :blush: Its all about religious wars :dance:

Yes I did read it.
DID YOU?
What in that article changes anything here?
Explain?

Since you don't know what you are doing or why let me just assure you that any historian can tell you 90% of wars in human history are over land.
Really its more.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes I did read it.
DID YOU?
What in that article changes anything here?
Explain?

Since you don't know what you are doing or why let me just assure you that any historian can tell you 90% of wars in human history are over land.
Really its more.

The major deaths during war

WW1

WW2

(and note these are World Wars)

were about land


Most wars in history have been about land, many have used religious overtones to justify invasion but they are about and always will be about land.

perhaps someone could indicate what bits of the main religions justify and encourage war?

[ElProximo]

The major deaths during war

WW1

WW2

(and note these are World Wars)

were about land


Most wars in history have been about land, many have used religious overtones to justify invasion but they are about and always will be about land.

perhaps someone could indicate what bits of the main religions justify and encourage war?


Basically almost all wars in the history of human civilization have been over land and the resources in the land.
Safely say 95% +

Now people will point to things like the wars 'in the name of Buddha'.
Ok.
It is true that warlords did go to conquer the 'pagan lands' under the 'flag' of Buddhism.
Realistically, everyone who does the research can very quickly be aware that was not really why they were stomping the region.
It was good old 'land' again.

It is true that Islam had massive holy wars and today there are thousands of people a month being killed in the name of Islam. Mainly Muslims Jihadists killing other Muslims.

I suppose none of this has anything to do with Channel 4 picking David because they believe he will shame Christianity,
but,
It really is beyond annoying when people don't grasp the most basic things in history.
I'm not a PHD Historian and just an 'amateur history keener' but you don't even need to be that to find this out.
It should be something we all knew in 4th form and even earlier - nearly every war in human history was over land.

I'd also point out there is no such religion called 'Religion' where 'Religionites' go to 'Religion Churches' and practice religionism.
Saying 'Religion is responsible for xyz' is about as meaningful as saying 'goverment is responsible for xyz'.
Which government?
Nazis?
Roman Senates?
North Korean Peoples Party?
King Edward?

For the record - Atheistic Ideologies hold the record for the largest mass murderers in the history of human civilization. Just recently a guy named Stalin mass-murdered the most human beings EVER.
*Some say Mao (another Atheist warlord) murdered more than Stalin.

If you combine them - Atheist Rulers running atheistic regimes with atheistic ideologies (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc) just recently mass murdered a significant portion of the human population on Earth.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and not to mention all the good in the world that has been a direct result of religion - this is happening now and happens every day, unlike wars. For Christianity it has been happening for the last 2000 years

that is quite long!

[ElProximo]

and not to mention all the good in the world that has been a direct result of religion - this is happening now and happens every day, unlike wars. For Christianity it has been happening for the last 2000 years

that is quite long!

I once thought I'd try and count up all the Christian aid and relief and human rights orgs and even just the ones specifically related to victims of war.
Its nearly impossible.
There are so many Christian orgs and denominations doing so many things it becomes practically 'uncountable',
but,
It is nothing short of millions of Christians and billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of hours of work, volunteering, travel, building, medicine, counseling,.... It is epic!

One problem I ran into when trying to tally up a list is that Christians seem to follow this teaching of not boasting their works so they don't often have easily available publicized or detailed accounts of their works.
Also so many of them.
I got to something like 80 different denominations with aid programs to war-torn african nations like Liberia but couldn't keep finding enough independent Christian orgs (not affiliated with denominations) and then private Christian groups (so to describe it) and then 'all-denomination' type of Christian charities etc etc
Its MASSIVE.

[Chuckyegg]

How's your campaign coming along?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How's your campaign coming along?

Nice to see you supporting it.

[sueiepie]

The guy is a muppet and that has nothing to do with his religion, he is a barbaric fox hunting moron :nono: that doesn't give a $hit for animal rights.
He'll get my vote all right a vote to evict, along with 46,000 others on the facebook save-me page :wavey:
Probably not a good idea to pi$$ off so many folks when your'e on a popularity show, we can't wait for him to go.

Totally agree with you on that Rob, I didn't like him right from the second he started laughing, must've been very un nerving for the contestants who went in after him, I wouldn't like someone laughing like a maniac as soon as I walked through the doors! Get him out!

[stonedape]

Priest's don't sit in the same building reading the same books their entire lives without making friends,
but,
that you cannot 'see the difference' between that and someone using psychosomatic autosuggestion to become a stupefied, blithering, drunken incoherent babbling moron?
Then maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to discern massive differences between things in life.
Come on now?

Maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to accept massive similarities between things in life because you're emotionally invested in one side of the same coin? And thanks for tacit admission that priests dont marry or have families, which is equally as different and unbiblical as anything David and his group could come up with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to accept massive similarities between things in life because you're emotionally invested in one side of the same coin? And thanks for tacit admission that priests dont marry or have families, which is equally as different and unbiblical as anything David and his group could come up with.

no

its you

[ElProximo]

And thanks for tacit admission that priests dont marry or have families, which is equally as different and unbiblical as anything David and his group could come up with.


It is a 'tacit admission' when I don't mention the one thing you did not get totally wrong. Interesting.

A lot of people don't know this but plenty of priests are from families and some even had families of their own before becoming priests and some do after they leave the priesthood.
Some are single men their entire lives like some men who never joined a priesthood.
It is hard to believe but plenty of people outside of priests actually stay single their whole lives.

Having said that and showing its 'normal' and 'typical' in life I would also point out it is definitely not 'unbiblical'.
They will often point to St. Paul who did mention his advantage in being single and felt bad for the others with families.
Now.. this is not saying it is 'mandatory' either but it is definitely not 'unbiblical'.
There are other examples and obviously Jesus remained single and that was typical of the OT prophets - many of whom were single men.

'unbiblical' (a strange word) but implies something for which there is no precedent or example or teaching for in the Bible.
David specializes in this!
The very point here is that David and his group believe they receive special knowledge from outside the Bible.
Even if there is teachings in the Bible encouraging 'sober-mindedness' they will believe they have received a special exception permitting them to be in drunken spirits.

But getting this a little bit more on topic I have to say this is something BB is obviously infamous for.
- people want a homosexual in the house? BB finds an absolutely flaming bitch to flounce around being a drama queen and boasting of 'cruising'.
- people want to see some black people and get the most outrageous and worst stereotypical street thug hustlers prone to violence and contempt.
- people want to know when some muslim youth will be included and get the worst possible example of a degenerate ex-muslim party fool.

All this does is show up what happened when people started demanding we see some Christian people in the mix.
Sure, we can do that - find a controversial fringe movement that is known to be condemned by the vast majority of Christians and cast their most annoying 'Minister'.

All I'm doing is calling it out.
I did this with the 'flaming gays' the 'thug blacks' and the 'not-muslim muslims'.

[stonedape]

"I know you are but what am I" and a no true scotsman fallacy... This is why no one debates with theists, you annoy half and bore the other.

No one follows the Bible completely, so unless you want to attempt it stop deciding who's Christian and who isn't. And attempting is ridiculous in itself because there are verses that logically contradict. I've had this conversation 43,532 too many times. later :xyxwave:

[rapunza1977]

i didnt even realise there still were strict Christians in this day in age xD I think most people take religion as a joke nowadays.


I think your generalising there "most" people do not take reliogion as a joke, I would say it would be more so the uneducated who do this!!

[ElProximo]

I think your generalising there "most" people do not take reliogion as a joke, I would say it would be more so the uneducated who do this!!

Could you please rephrase this. Who is not taking reliogion as a joke?

and a no true scotsman fallacy... No one follows the Bible completely,

You just pulled off the fallacy as you spoke. Woops!
They call this 'self-pwnage'.

I would also mention that there are people who claim to be Scotsmen who are not Scotsmen.
Really.

[rapunza1977]

Could you please rephrase this. Who is not taking reliogion as a joke?



You just pulled off the fallacy as you spoke. Woops!
They call this 'self-pwnage'.

I would also mention that there are people who claim to be Scotsmen who are not Scotsmen.
Really.

Sorry people who think religion is a joke! TOo many words sorry x

People on here stating most people think religion is a joke which is complete nonsense.

[ElProximo]

Sorry people who think religion is a joke! TOo many words sorry x

People on here stating most people think religion is a joke which is complete nonsense.

Yeah that was strange anyone would get that impression but then it could be the circles they hand around in and then the media they pay attention to.

Religion really is taken very seriously by a good solid part of the UK population although it definitely has declined over the last 100 years,
but,
then again some recent surveys show the more 'conservative' denominations (and we might associate those with 'seriousness') are seeing a decent rise in popularity.

Of course there are people like David who think its all a joke.

[newspresenter]

Many of you don't know this but I applied for BB last season and removed my application when (among other reasons) I became entirely aware C4 was specifically looking for a 'fool Christian'.
A rather unhappy rant from me went to C4 where I made it clear I was aware they deliberately intended to find 'wacko Christians' who they would then use to humiliate and essentially 'antichristian propaganda'.

Now you have a gist of how the ethnic English feel via ALL the media outlets.

[ElProximo]

Now you have a gist of how the ethnic English feel via ALL the media outlets.

I most certainly do and did before this. It was just made all the more clear at that time.
They do nothing but confirm it every time out too.

[newspresenter]

Part of C4's licence to broadcast is to promote minority issue's and cultures. Christianity and the English are too big a culture for C4 to promote.

[ElProximo]

Part of C4's licence to broadcast is to promote minority issue's and cultures. Christianity and the English are too big a culture for C4 to promote.

And that would be perfectly acceptable but they seem to have become confused and believe (as do far too many in UK media) that a way to 'promote minorities' is to them 'demote' and tear down 'majorities'.

The bizarre irony in all of this - tearing down and urinating on Christian Natives isn't for the benefit or enjoyment of any minorities watching as much as its for the satisfaction and alleviation of... .. yep, the rich white elitists types of people running and making fine livings from C4.

[newspresenter]

Exactly. To promote non whites over whites, foreigners over the English, gays over hetros, muslims over christians, thats discrimination.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Common Purpose have influence at Channel4.

[Peter Plunker]

El Proximo, for a man of God do you think you spend too much time watching BB, did you also know that your avatar pic is of a Japanese water demon?

Just saying like.

[monx]

After reading this thread I am sure that nothing I say here will make you (ElProximo) change your stance on this matter however I would just like put my twopenneth in.

I dont believe Channel 4 are trying to damage the Chrisian faith by recruiting Dave for this show, I think they are looking for potential housemates with extreme personalities/views because they make BB "exciting". Personally I enjoyed the "social experiment" aspect but admit to being addicted to watching the "freak show" it has become.

When people are blaming religion for wars and you counter that argument with the assumption that it is land, you are right on one level but to be clear, most of the time it is to "cleanse" land from the oposing religious and cultural combatants. My case in point is Hitlers treatment of the Jews (not forgetting all the other victims of the "final solution") the war between serbia and croatia (christians vs muslim) and what is happening to Tibet at the moment is purely China's wish to eradicate Buddhism and vilify the Dalai Llama.

I am sure that even you cannot argue that the Spanish Inquisition was not a war waged on people due to their religious beliefs.

I dont say all war is based on religion but a great deal is and it is because of the way people are indoctinated from an early age to believe in a certain organised religion, which will have an oposition in any other religion or belief system. Anyone who is considered "other" is a target for hostility, despite most organised religions teaching love and respect for everyone (even if they dont prey to the same god as us) it very rarely happens in reality.

As for the celibacy debate, it was a pope in the 4th century who was worried that priests' families could possibly have a case for maintenance from the church, decided that from that date forward all priests would be celibate and used the fact that Christ was single (or so we are told) in order to validate that decision.

[chauncey]

Sorry but have to admit I find those videos hilarious.'sniffing bible lines'?haha

Don't worry OP,anyone stupid enough to judge all Christians because of one man,is ridiculous anyway.Thats like saying Charley represents all black people,Marco represents all gay men,Shabazz represents all men.Doubt anyone will think that way.

[Stu]

Yeah most of us realize all Christians are in some way suffering from a delusion. Not just David.