Will the Engerlish hooligans cause more trouble?

[Claymores]

In SA - Engerland has history, no tournament without awful horrible hooligans making fights

Name me a tournament without English causing trouble

[Locke.]

Yeah. Last I heard they were planning on raiding Scotland to get you.

[Claymores]

Yeah. Last I heard they were planning on raiding Scotland to get you.

With a big 10/1 army and us only farming tools - you Engerlish are super

[Claymores]

English are famous hooligans - my USA pal who comes from Phikelphia asked me about this

Run I say when you cuff them

[Angus]

In SA - Engerland has history, no tournament without awful horrible hooligans making fights

Name me a tournament without English causing trouble

Sour grapes because England are in the tournament and Scotland are NOT!:hugesmile:

[Claymores]

Sour grapes because England are in the tournament and Scotland are NOT!:hugesmile:

"were sh1te and we know we are..........song goes on fovever for Scotland"

No - I was talking every major championship that England make the Engerlish make trouble/fights. Hooligans go and battle if Engerland do not win

Mame me a championship since 2000 this did not happen

[Claymores]

Sour grapes because England are in the tournament and Scotland are NOT!:hugesmile:

Send me a Ma Arse bar when Engerland win World Cup

[30stone]

England havent as of yet..

They put up loads of extra people at the friendly England vs platinum all stars..

I found that very disrespectfulhow many more security they had compared to any other game.. yet we done nothing, no fights or anything (though it was only a friendly).. but hopefully not.

I dont understand how we have such a bad reputation when in russia serbia etc etc even sometimes in spain.. they light fires in the stadium.. they throw flares onto the pitch fire crackers and all sorts..

Get we get done because a few people have some punch ups..

[NettoSuperstar!]

Come and ave a go if yer think yer ard enuff

[Angus]

Send me a Ma Arse bar when Engerland win World Cup

I'd send you a boxful and even deep fry 'em in batter for you if that happened!:kiss:

[alc09]

There's always going to be trouble, not just England but other countries. Pissed up blokes normally leads to a bit of mischief.

[Claymores]

England havent as of yet..

They put up loads of extra people at the friendly England vs platinum all stars..

I found that very disrespectfulhow many more security they had compared to any other game.. yet we done nothing, no fights or anything (though it was only a friendly).. but hopefully not.

I dont understand how we have such a bad reputation when in russia serbia etc etc even sometimes in spain.. they light fires in the stadium.. they throw flares onto the pitch fire crackers and all sorts..

Get we get done because a few people have some punch ups..

were you at Wmbley for the game?

Boys you know I'm winding you as not Engerland hooligans (they're all out in SA practising Nazi salutes)

USA USA USA

[Claymores]

Come and ave a go if yer think yer ard enuff

LOL - never say that to a Scttish even if you have 15 behind you to back it uo :joker:

[Lauren]

There's always going to be trouble, not just England but other countries. Pissed up blokes normally leads to a bit of mischief.

Agree with this.

Moe successful clubs and countries tend to resort to violent misconduct moreso because they go to matches expecting a win and respect, and when it's not given, or they lose - it turns violent. It's not just England, it happens all over - if you expect a win and don't get it - it'll go violent.

Pishy countries like my beloved Scotland go there expecting a good time, win or lose, and so it doesn't tend to resort to violence. As Claymores said. "We're ****, and we know we are".

If anyones actually interested (I'm gonna guess nobody), theres an interesting article about this phenomenon, it focusses on England and Scotland though.

Giulianotti, R. (1991). Scotland's tartan army in Italy: the case for the carnivalesque. Sociological Review, 39, 3 (1991), 503-27.

[Claymores]

My basic point is that wherever I go in the world, people associate England with hooligans, not just 'a few lads making merry'

[Claymores]

Agree with this.

Moe successful clubs and countries tend to resort to violent misconduct moreso because they go to matches expecting a win and respect, and when it's not given, or they lose - it turns violent. It's not just England, it happens all over - if you expect a win and don't get it - it'll go violent.

Pishy countries like my beloved Scotland go there expecting a good time, win or lose, and so it doesn't tend to resort to violence. As Claymores said. "We're ****, and we know we are".

If anyones actually interested (I'm gonna guess nobody), theres an interesting article about this phenomenon, it focusses on England and Scotland though.

Giulianotti, R. (1991). Scotland's tartan army in Italy: the case for the carnivalesque. Sociological Review, 39, 3 (1991), 503-27.

Arrest figures from the last World Cup are ENGERLOND WON THE 2006 World Cup

Holland were 2nd

[Claymores]

England havent as of yet..
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What a great brag one day before tournament :wavey:

[BB_Eye]

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[Claymores]

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I quite like how you had to edit your eloquent and well-argued post

[Lee.]

I quite like how you had to edit your eloquent and well-argued post

lol.. made me laugh!

[30stone]

What a great brag one day before tournament :wavey:

Yeah but they thought there would be trouble at that other friendly game like i said earlier.

They had like double security to usual. and the england fans didnt do anything anyway..

[BB_Eye]

My basic point is that wherever I go in the world, people associate England with hooligans, not just 'a few lads making merry'

Are Scotland immune to this labelling? I find that very hard to believe.

Even in England your neanderthalic reputation precedes you. The only difference between us in the world cup is one of us will make it a lot further than the other. No prizes for guessing who. :xyxwave:

[BB_Eye]

I quite like how you had to edit your eloquent and well-argued post

It's just about the only response your childish thread merits. You write a deliberately contentious blanket statement about English football fans and expect an 'eloquent' response?

[Lee.]

Are Scotland immune to this labelling? I find that very hard to believe.

Even in England your neanderthalic reputation precedes you. The only difference between us in the world cup is one of us will make it a lot further than the other. No prizes for guessing who. :xyxwave:

As somebody has already said, every country has their share of football hooligans but no country is notorious throughout the world for it as England are..

My cousin was in France for the World Cup in 98 and joined in the "celebrations" when Scotland were put out. He said there was a procession of drunk Scots with bagpipes, drums walking all the way down the Champs Elysees singing everything from "Doe a Deer" to "The Back of the Bus is in the Huff" He said it was an amazing night.

Unfortunately he was in the vicinity when England rioted and he said it was horrific.. There were families with children and old people being dragged into it and the only way the police could stop it was to turn the water cannons on them..

I'm not saying there isn't a small portion of Scotland fans who like a scrap but The Tartan Army as a whole are welcomed worldwide in a way which the English simply are not :)

[BB_Eye]

As somebody has already said, every country has their share of football hooligans but no country is notorious throughout the world for it as England are..

My cousin was in France for the World Cup in 98 and joined in the "celebrations" when Scotland were put out. He said there was a procession of drunk Scots with bagpipes, drums walking all the way down the Champs Elysees singing everything from "Doe a Deer" to "The Back of the Bus is in the Huff" He said it was an amazing night.

Unfortunately he was in the vicinity when England rioted and he said it was horrific.. There were families with children and old people being dragged into it and the only way the police could stop it was to turn the water cannons on them..

I'm not saying there isn't a small portion of Scotland fans who like a scrap but The Tartan Army as a whole are welcomed worldwide in a way which the English simply are not :)

I'm not into football, but that is incredibly embarrassing. I think it may have something to do with football being the sole outlet, for many people, for any repressed jingoistic feelings.

[InOne]

They are in SA. It's not like Europe. The police won't take any ****.

[Claymores]

Are Scotland immune to this labelling? I find that very hard to believe.

Even in England your neanderthalic reputation precedes you. The only difference between us in the world cup is one of us will make it a lot further than the other. No prizes for guessing who. :xyxwave:

Ever since 1978 in Argentina the Tartan Army have been notorious for getting drunk and being nice to everyone except our crap team.

Never any stories of the Tartan Army getting arrested or causing riots

[KG.]

Anyone for some sour grapes?

http://www.4marks.com/galleries/articles/s225/2982.jpg

[Claymores]

Anyone for some sour grapes?

A super excuse which missed the whole point and the earlier posts - reading not R US

[alc09]

I'd be surprised if many idiots from this country even make the trip, not exactly as close as Germany in recent years and the amount of people with banning orders is unreal.

Police don't help themselves in this country these days with trouble, they can't be free from blame as they instigate a lot of situations sadly.

[Claymores]

I'd be surprised if many idiots from this country even make the trip, not exactly as close as Germany in recent years and the amount of people with banning orders is unreal.

Police don't help themselves in this country these days with trouble, they can't be free from blame as they instigate a lot of situations sadly.

You are probably correct. My bruv and nephew are going to SA to support Cameroon and I know it cost an arm n 3 legs. Engerland will not win the World Cup of arrests this time.

[Shasown]

Ever since 1978 in Argentina the Tartan Army have been notorious for getting drunk and being nice to everyone except our crap team.

Never any stories of the Tartan Army getting arrested or causing riots

Selective amnesia there Ian.

[setanta]

The Green Army are one of the greatest fans on the planet. Incidentally, I just hope that nobody gets aggressive over there, be it the English, Dutch, Argentinians, whoever. It's not needed right now, am I right? So lets just hope it goes smoothly, rather than point an accusatory finger right now.

[Shasown]

The Green Army are one of the greatest fans on the planet. Incidentally, I just hope that nobody gets aggressive over there, be it the English, Dutch, Argentinians, whoever. It's not needed right now, am I right? So lets just hope it goes smoothly, rather than point an accusatory finger right now.

Yeah I would like to see a trouble free World Cup with no country's supporters disgracing themselves. Saying that though I am sure the South African police have ample supplies of tear gas and riot batons available.

[Claymores]

Selective amnesia there Ian.

Of course!

One of my silly stories is that in 2003 we got on a plane @ Schipol and the bloke in the 3rd seat with us noticed the Scottish Claymores clothes n asked what Scotland was like these days. He had gone to Argentina in 1978, had a good time with the locals in Cordoba after we got cuffed and was just making his way back

My answer was easy - you've not missed much since you were away, except we're even worse at fitba!

[ElProximo]

I can't get over this amazing game.. how great to watch what feels like hours and hours setting up plays only to get that 0-0 'score'!

1-1! yaaaaa... now we see who is the champ!

England 1-1 USA wow.. what a journey!

Sorry but enough is enough - open up the damn scoring or just stop pretending it is any kind of meaningful competition.

[InOne]

I can't get over this amazing game.. how great to watch what feels like hours and hours setting up plays only to get that 0-0 'score'!

1-1! yaaaaa... now we see who is the champ!

England 1-1 USA wow.. what a journey!

Sorry but enough is enough - open up the damn scoring or just stop pretending it is any kind of meaningful competition.

ex pats opinions don't count.

[ElProximo]

ex pats opinions don't count.

Oh.. its when they really count the most.

(i might mention, I don't mind english premiere league footy but wow these no-scoring and low scoring games.. ugh).

I also think its funny the US team is in the World Cup and is a fairly decent team and yet nobody in the USA cares and has zero interest.
The USA could win the world cup (because one single goal got past someone in some game),
yet,
nobody in the USA would care.

[Shasown]

I can't get over this amazing game.. how great to watch what feels like hours and hours setting up plays only to get that 0-0 'score'!

1-1! yaaaaa... now we see who is the champ!

England 1-1 USA wow.. what a journey!

Sorry but enough is enough - open up the damn scoring or just stop pretending it is any kind of meaningful competition.

Is that because the subtleties and intricacies are lost on your North American brain?

[cupid stunt]

i hope we compeletely smash every countrys firm to pieces

[cupid stunt]

Oh.. its when they really count the most.

(i might mention, I don't mind english premiere league footy but wow these no-scoring and low scoring games.. ugh).

I also think its funny the US team is in the World Cup and is a fairly decent team and yet nobody in the USA cares and has zero interest.
The USA could win the world cup (because one single goal got past someone in some game),
yet,
nobody in the USA would care.

piss off yankee boy

[AndyJK]

In SA - Engerland has history, no tournament without awful horrible hooligans making fights

Name me a tournament without English causing trouble

You must be feeling very disappointed

[Claymores]

You must be feeling very disappointed

Fans behaved impecably, the team did even better for me, so can't help but feel elated TBH.

[spitfire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQAIA3IDZs8

[AndyJK]

Fans behaved impecably, the team did even better for me, so can't help but feel elated TBH.

Yes the fans did, but you were of course hoping there was going to be lots of trouble so you could come back and say "typical English fans rioting, Scots fans never do that etc".

Thread fail.