The pop princess of 10's?

[MrGaryy]

Who is it? The 00's had Britney and Christina [and Jessica for a period]. But who takes the throne as the next queen of teen?

before anyone say's GaGa, she ain't no Britney/Christina so ****. Ke$ha is too much of a hot mess to be in that sort of position. I personally think, if she continues in music, Miley Cyrus has the potential to be as huge as the aforementioned Britney/Christina's. I mean Can't Be Tamed reeks of Dirrty/Slave 4 U. Will she follow the same career pattern? She's actually a lot more talented than Britney, but her Hannah Montana image might be a hindrance.

thoughts?

[InOne]

I'd go with Miley. Another Lohan in the making, but she'll get bigger first.

[Captain.Remy]

Who's Jessica ?

[Novo]

Pixie has it in the bag

[Princess]

Who's Jessica ?

Simpson maybe.

[King Gizzard]

I'd go with Miley. Another Lohan in the making, but she'll get bigger first.

But Miley is hindered by the fact that she's not attractive

[Shaun]

none please. I think the wave of ACTUAL female artists has put paid to the credibility (over here anyway - the US are much less likely to ditch their white trash untalented messes) of such people. Then again before Britney there were female legends, so who knows.

[MrGaryy]

Yeah I was referring to Jessica Simpson, who I know is entirely irrelevant now, was actually counted in the ranks of Britney and Christina for a time there at the start of the 00's and late 90's.

[Captain.Remy]

Yeah I was referring to Jessica Simpson, who I know is entirely irrelevant now, was actually counted in the ranks of Britney and Christina for a time there at the start of the 00's and late 90's.

I thought she was some Z rated TV series actress who made her living out of her blonde hair and ass ? Not a singer.

[InOne]

Jessica Simpson would be too old for that title now. Pixie could do it if she breaks the states :tongue:

[InOne]

But Miley is hindered by the fact that she's not attractive

Have you not seen her latest vid!!!

[MrGaryy]

I thought she was some Z rated TV series actress who made her living out of her blonde hair and ass ? Not a singer.

Not really no. She was a very successful singer before Newlyweds. She can actually sing really well, far better than Britney.

[King Gizzard]

Have you not seen her latest vid!!!

Those teeth are not pretty and shes just plain average


Give me Jessica, Christina, Lindsey and Pixie over her anyday

[InOne]

Only thing about Pixie is her singles have not done too well after the first 2 :( Too much shyte about like N Dubs

[Captain.Remy]

Not really no. She was a very successful singer before Newlyweds. She can actually sing really well, far better than Britney.

Anyone can sing better than Britney to be honest.

[MrGaryy]

Anyone can sing better than Britney to be honest.

true, but Jessica really can sing well :tongue:

[MrGaryy]

Those teeth are not pretty and shes just plain average


Give me Jessica, Christina, Lindsey and Pixie over her anyday

Me and Miley will have to hang out without you :(

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/34472871/Miley+Cyrus+Datos_Pegados_d899.jpg

[InOne]

Oi, I like Miley!!! And music is totally different than it was in the 00's! Didn't have all the XFactor bollocks!

[\PJ/]

Britney makes me sick miley makes me gag and jessica simpson doesn't even know what she is doing herself so i say christina.

[Captain.Remy]

Britney makes me sick miley makes me gag and jessica simpson doesn't even know what she is doing herself so i say christina.

PJ mate, we're about the 2010 decade, not the 00's :hugesmile:

[ILoveTRW]

Id hardly call Jessica Simpson the pop princess of 00's
did she even have a number one single?

[Stacey.]

Miley Cyrus. :love:

[\PJ/]

PJ mate, we're about the 2010 decade, not the 00's :hugesmile:

i know

[Jessica.]

GaGa > All.

[MrGaryy]

sorry no men allowed.

[InOne]

GaGa does not deserve to clean Christinas shoes. She is a try hard end of.

[Captain.Remy]

Gaga has already own all of them. I'm not her biggest fan but if you take on her influence, her sells and what she represents, she's going to take this decade by storm.

[InOne]

Gaga has already own all of them. I'm not her biggest fan but if you take on her influence, her sells and what she represents, she's going to take this decade by storm.

Who does she influence? She is a parody of every female icon out there!

[Callum]

Ke$ha I think will have disappeared from the music scene in a few years time, I don't think her second album will do half as well as Animal. I also think Miley has the potential to be a great popstar if she doesn't have a Lohan style meltdown when she turns 18.

[Captain.Remy]

Who does she influence? She is a parody of every female icon out there!

That's not what the very serious business related Time Magazine thought when they voted her as the most influential artist of 2010.

[KG.]

Beyoncé ***** on all of these females.

[BB_Eye]

There is nothing particularly new about Gaga, is there? The wacky outfits was done before and better by Grace Jones and Bjork and Gaga's music is very ordinary.

On the other hand, you could say the same about Britney Spears. Her 1980's equivalent was Debbie Gibson.

[Callum]

Can anyone see Katy Perry still being around in 10 years time, in all honesty?

[InOne]

That's not what the very serious business related Time Magazine thought when they voted her as the most influential artist of 2010.

I asked you not Time Magazine! :tongue:

[BB_Eye]

To answer the question of this thread, I couldn't care less. The 00's has shat out so many godawful records from female vocalists. The only credible names that spring to mind are PJ Harvey and Bjork and their heyday was in the decade before.

[MarkWaldorf]

That's not what the very serious business related Time Magazine thought when they voted her as the most influential artist of 2010.

That wasn't Time, it was her delusional fans that voted in droves on their website.

[Captain.Remy]

I asked you not Time Magazine! :tongue:

Like I said, I'm not a huge fan. I just like. It's not the best, far from it, but it's acceptable. I give more credit to Gaga than to Britney because at least, Gaga writes her song and is really involved in her work. She has her style, as weird as it is, but it's hers. Not her music label's.

And she actually worked hard to get here. I like that about artists.

[InOne]

Like I said, I'm not a huge fan. I just like. It's not the best, far from it, but it's acceptable. I give more credit to Gaga than to Britney because at least, Gaga writes her song and is really involved in her work. She has her style, as weird as it is, but it's hers. Not her music label's.

And she actually worked hard to get here. I like that about artists.

She basically borrow begged and stole her way to the top.

[Simone.]

I think someone like Florence & The Machine or Marina & the Diamonds could change the image of pop a lot.

Ellie Goudling :)

[InOne]

I think someone like Florence & The Machine or Marina & the Diamonds could change the image of pop a lot.

Ellie Goudling :)

Florence is indie radio 1 raped trash

[BOOSH]

GAGA.
she's more pop queen though.

[Harry!]

GAGA.
she's more pop queen though.

She copies alot from the real queen of pop. No way is Gaga queen status. Wait 20 years before you can say that.

[Smithy]

GAGA.
she's more pop queen though.

:hugesmile:

[BOOSH]

No no no!
She is so much better than Madonna

[Harry!]

No no no!
She is so much better than Madonna

And Gaga has directly copied some of Madonna's looks and videos. So you cant really say that.

[Shaun]

No no no!
She is so much better than Madonna

oh hush. she can only DREAM of madonna's repertoire.

[Smithy]

And Gaga has directly copied some of Madonna's looks and videos. So you cant really say that.

No she hasn't harry you just like to say that because you can't accept the fact that theres possibly someone whose better than Madonna

[Firewire]

Let's see...

Miley - She's retiring from music, so I don't think she'll be Pop Princess of the 10s. Although, I suspect she'll be back.
Ke$ha - She'll disappear, she'll become unpopular.
Lady GaGa - To be honest, I think the same thing about Ke$ha, I don't think she'll be successful in 10 year's time.
Katy - Her second album is highly anticipated, which is good. I don't see her being up there with the likes of Britney and Christina.
Pixie Lott - She's British, so I doubt it.

[Shaun]

No she hasn't harry you just like to say that because you can't accept the fact that theres possibly someone whose better than Madonna

Alejandro rips off about 4 different Madonna videos. She's more talented than Madonna, yes, but she can't even get near to replicating the impact Madonna's had.

[Harry!]

No she hasn't harry you just like to say that because you can't accept the fact that theres possibly someone whose better than Madonna

Me and most people on Madonna sites noted at least 10 references/copies in the Alejandro music video. Her 2010 videos have had so much copyage its untrue.

You can not call Lady Gaga better then the Queen Of Pop Madonna intil Gaga has at least 20 maybe 30 years in the music business.

[MrGaryy]

I don't think Katy WANTS the role. She's kind of a bit more out there than the rest, she speaks to a different audience.

[MrGaryy]

No she hasn't harry you just like to say that because you can't accept the fact that theres possibly someone whose better than Madonna

jVhcpxT37BU

now get the fawk out.

[Smithy]

Alejandro rips off about 4 different Madonna videos. She's more talented than Madonna, yes, but she can't even get near to replicating the impact Madonna's had.

She doesn't rip them off people just point out the most stupid things to detract from her achievements

Lady GaGa, a known provocateur, has done it again. She became an icon through her music, fashion, and videos, but what many fail to realize and what few succeed in seeing is the artistic vision and the impacting message behind her every move. Spawning from Just Dance to Love Game to Paparazzi and now to Alejandro, each of her videos has an underlying message that people, for whatever reason, only feign to realize once its been told to them. While she was quoted for dedicating her newest video, Alejandro, to the gay community, it surprised me to see that it was less of a cursory nod and was instead a ritualistic tribute to the culture we live in today; tying in government, religion, and the social stigma still deeply embedded into the gay culture.

The video begins provocatively with a man in heels and fishnets - a foreshadowing technique to show what the video is ultimately about. It should be noted that as the soldiers first enter, their stance is powerful, demanding, and intimidating. There are even robust allusions to the Nazi regime. It then begins to establish the roles of a woman and the roles of a man as defined by classic interpretations of gender: GaGa playing the role of a forlorn woman preceding a coffin, men playing the role of soldiers - perhaps the most masculine occupation in the world. But slowly, through the progression of events, the roles are flipped. Gender becomes erroneous and subsidiary to the idea that we are defined by our soul, not by our body.

Unisexuality becomes ubiquitous marked most especially by the bowl haircut, a fashion that both men and women can equally sport. And it is through this vision of unisexuality comes the idea of uniformity and egalitarianism in a world where, while we claim to have modernized, is still addled by the conflicts of gender issues. GaGa uses this ideal of an equal and shared society by placing women in the seat of power, and dressing men in high heels, fishnet stockings, and spanks yet still portraying them as an Adonis figure.

Later on in the video GaGa is seen with a bra fashioned out of machine gun shafts, and while it seems like a healthy nod to Madonna’s cone bra in Vogue, there are more powerful and obvious themes: a tool of masculinity only made to support a woman. Then, in a sequence where GaGa sports a pant suit, the men come marching out with dignity in every stride like the beginning, but this time with a feminine flair, as if they were on a runway. Juxtaposing that with their original entrance begins to unfold this degradation of the idea of what is male and what is female. And in that light, it comically satirizes the fact that military groups haze homosexuals, and were even targeted and killed by Nazi hands. It’s this twisted play on gender and sexuality that makes Alejandro a social message to the masses.

But essentially, where could these thoughts of sexuality and gender even spawn from? Our world is so deeply rooted in dogmatic traditions, that sometimes we fail to realize that it is in religion, most especially Catholicism, where these conflicts first begin. Adam, as the first man made, was fashioned and molded in the image of God, which ultimately leads us, as followers of the holy word, to believe that God is man. And as a MAN of power, he is the alpha. He is the omega. Signifying that anything less than a man, for example a homosexual or a woman, is immediately cast away as irrevocably useless. This idea of religion imposing its ideals and controlling us is exemplified clearly within the first minute of the video where you see a soldier with a golden gun surrounded by wires; an obvious and perhaps blatant message that we are all just puppets of God.

Lady GaGa, however, can’t leave it at just that. While her first sentence may establish the tone of God and religion, gender and sex, she, as a visionary of our generation, toys with this idea, plays with it, and essentially comes out with this subtle, yet brilliant message.

She sets up multiple characters in the video, each one with a purpose: a tyrant, a widow, a nun, a priest, a rebel, and finally, and most importantly, a human being. As mentioned before, the tyrant represents government, politics, and modern society. The widow is the tragic, mourning woman, perhaps a simple glance to the realities of war. However, it’s through the other four symbols does her story and her sermon come to life. A nun is a quintessential figure of maternity, sacrificing ones womb and God-given ability to create life for a devout following and birthing of religion. She is shown praying and then symbolically swallowing a rosary into her throat. While this can be interpreted many ways, I think we can all agree that it’s really quite simple: she is swallowing religion, her beliefs, and what she was raised to be in order to liberate herself and her mind to a more global way of thinking. By swallowing one’s religion it is not a blasphemous act of shutting religion away, but rather accepting it into one’s heart and internalizing the purest message. Allowing our body to sift through the inequities and inevitably yielding the most virgin of attitudes and preaching only of what is truly important: love. The Bible may say being gay is wrong, but isn’t its ultimate message it preaches love? Love which transcends the borders of time constriction unlike the medieval thought of sexuality.

They are then seen stripping and disrobing GaGa dressed as a cardinal priest with red being the only prevalent color in the entire video. This action of pulling apart and eradicating her clothing to expose her to the world serves many purposes and to choose just one is ignorant. Perhaps it’s a message to reveal yourself to the world, to make yourself vulnerable to the thought and philosophy of others. Perhaps it’s a violent urge to accept yourself as you are and that there is nothing inherently wrong with you. Perhaps it’s another message about religion, and that by stripping it and tearing it apart, you are left more holy than when you began. Perhaps it’s all of it and none of it. But the fact that she is covered by the hands of, well, let’s face it, obvious homosexuals, is enough of a message for me.

There is a sequence within the video that I first claimed to be disjointed and completely irrelevant upon first watching it. You can definitely quote me now that although musically lacking, this clip is important in the overall plot. She repeats the chorus “Alejandro” over and over again in a hypnotic fashion and is seen wearing a leather jacket. This is the rebel. This chant of “Alejandro” is like a call to arms, and then showing clips of revolt and terror only fortifies her message that as a society we must fight for change. We must fight for equality, because even though it may seem as if we have changed, there’s still a large majority within the world with archaic points of view.

Which leaves us finally with GaGa as a human being. In this look, she is androgynous. She is neither male, nor female. Her message of equality has transcended and morphed into simply being, existing, living.

Regardless, there’s so much more that I could extend on, and dig even deeper, but it seems that doing so would essentially destroy the entire piece of art. We may try to excavate, discover, and understand, but perhaps it’s
best to simply allow it to exist and keep the meaning to ourselves. Because no matter how far you go, I wouldn’t doubt that GaGa has gone further.

[Smithy]

jVhcpxT37BU

now get the fawk out.

To me all that proves is that Madonna looks better when you can't see her face

[Harry!]

She doesn't rip them off people just point out the most stupid things to detract from her achievements

Lady GaGa, a known provocateur, has done it again. She became an icon through her music, fashion, and videos, but what many fail to realize and what few succeed in seeing is the artistic vision and the impacting message behind her every move. Spawning from Just Dance to Love Game to Paparazzi and now to Alejandro, each of her videos has an underlying message that people, for whatever reason, only feign to realize once its been told to them. While she was quoted for dedicating her newest video, Alejandro, to the gay community, it surprised me to see that it was less of a cursory nod and was instead a ritualistic tribute to the culture we live in today; tying in government, religion, and the social stigma still deeply embedded into the gay culture.

The video begins provocatively with a man in heels and fishnets - a foreshadowing technique to show what the video is ultimately about. It should be noted that as the soldiers first enter, their stance is powerful, demanding, and intimidating. There are even robust allusions to the Nazi regime. It then begins to establish the roles of a woman and the roles of a man as defined by classic interpretations of gender: GaGa playing the role of a forlorn woman preceding a coffin, men playing the role of soldiers - perhaps the most masculine occupation in the world. But slowly, through the progression of events, the roles are flipped. Gender becomes erroneous and subsidiary to the idea that we are defined by our soul, not by our body.

Unisexuality becomes ubiquitous marked most especially by the bowl haircut, a fashion that both men and women can equally sport. And it is through this vision of unisexuality comes the idea of uniformity and egalitarianism in a world where, while we claim to have modernized, is still addled by the conflicts of gender issues. GaGa uses this ideal of an equal and shared society by placing women in the seat of power, and dressing men in high heels, fishnet stockings, and spanks yet still portraying them as an Adonis figure.

Later on in the video GaGa is seen with a bra fashioned out of machine gun shafts, and while it seems like a healthy nod to Madonna’s cone bra in Vogue, there are more powerful and obvious themes: a tool of masculinity only made to support a woman. Then, in a sequence where GaGa sports a pant suit, the men come marching out with dignity in every stride like the beginning, but this time with a feminine flair, as if they were on a runway. Juxtaposing that with their original entrance begins to unfold this degradation of the idea of what is male and what is female. And in that light, it comically satirizes the fact that military groups haze homosexuals, and were even targeted and killed by Nazi hands. It’s this twisted play on gender and sexuality that makes Alejandro a social message to the masses.

But essentially, where could these thoughts of sexuality and gender even spawn from? Our world is so deeply rooted in dogmatic traditions, that sometimes we fail to realize that it is in religion, most especially Catholicism, where these conflicts first begin. Adam, as the first man made, was fashioned and molded in the image of God, which ultimately leads us, as followers of the holy word, to believe that God is man. And as a MAN of power, he is the alpha. He is the omega. Signifying that anything less than a man, for example a homosexual or a woman, is immediately cast away as irrevocably useless. This idea of religion imposing its ideals and controlling us is exemplified clearly within the first minute of the video where you see a soldier with a golden gun surrounded by wires; an obvious and perhaps blatant message that we are all just puppets of God.

Lady GaGa, however, can’t leave it at just that. While her first sentence may establish the tone of God and religion, gender and sex, she, as a visionary of our generation, toys with this idea, plays with it, and essentially comes out with this subtle, yet brilliant message.

She sets up multiple characters in the video, each one with a purpose: a tyrant, a widow, a nun, a priest, a rebel, and finally, and most importantly, a human being. As mentioned before, the tyrant represents government, politics, and modern society. The widow is the tragic, mourning woman, perhaps a simple glance to the realities of war. However, it’s through the other four symbols does her story and her sermon come to life. A nun is a quintessential figure of maternity, sacrificing ones womb and God-given ability to create life for a devout following and birthing of religion. She is shown praying and then symbolically swallowing a rosary into her throat. While this can be interpreted many ways, I think we can all agree that it’s really quite simple: she is swallowing religion, her beliefs, and what she was raised to be in order to liberate herself and her mind to a more global way of thinking. By swallowing one’s religion it is not a blasphemous act of shutting religion away, but rather accepting it into one’s heart and internalizing the purest message. Allowing our body to sift through the inequities and inevitably yielding the most virgin of attitudes and preaching only of what is truly important: love. The Bible may say being gay is wrong, but isn’t its ultimate message it preaches love? Love which transcends the borders of time constriction unlike the medieval thought of sexuality.

They are then seen stripping and disrobing GaGa dressed as a cardinal priest with red being the only prevalent color in the entire video. This action of pulling apart and eradicating her clothing to expose her to the world serves many purposes and to choose just one is ignorant. Perhaps it’s a message to reveal yourself to the world, to make yourself vulnerable to the thought and philosophy of others. Perhaps it’s a violent urge to accept yourself as you are and that there is nothing inherently wrong with you. Perhaps it’s another message about religion, and that by stripping it and tearing it apart, you are left more holy than when you began. Perhaps it’s all of it and none of it. But the fact that she is covered by the hands of, well, let’s face it, obvious homosexuals, is enough of a message for me.

There is a sequence within the video that I first claimed to be disjointed and completely irrelevant upon first watching it. You can definitely quote me now that although musically lacking, this clip is important in the overall plot. She repeats the chorus “Alejandro” over and over again in a hypnotic fashion and is seen wearing a leather jacket. This is the rebel. This chant of “Alejandro” is like a call to arms, and then showing clips of revolt and terror only fortifies her message that as a society we must fight for change. We must fight for equality, because even though it may seem as if we have changed, there’s still a large majority within the world with archaic points of view.

Which leaves us finally with GaGa as a human being. In this look, she is androgynous. She is neither male, nor female. Her message of equality has transcended and morphed into simply being, existing, living.

Regardless, there’s so much more that I could extend on, and dig even deeper, but it seems that doing so would essentially destroy the entire piece of art. We may try to excavate, discover, and understand, but perhaps it’s
best to simply allow it to exist and keep the meaning to ourselves. Because no matter how far you go, I wouldn’t doubt that GaGa has gone further.

No long essay is needed Smithy. Lady Gaga copies Madonna - FACT

I could even list what she has copied from Queen Madonna.

[MrGaryy]

To me all that proves is that Madonna looks better when you can't see her face

well you're just a deluded, stubborn stan who can;t see past the fact their favourite artist is a blatant rip off merchant.

ohay lady gaga.
http://i49.tinypic.com/2vn18hi.jpg

[Smithy]

well you're just a deluded, stubborn stan who can;t see past the fact their favourite artist is a blatant rip off merchant.

ohay lady gaga.


I could say exactly the same about failtina but we both know that it's all a load of BS

:xyxwave:

[Smithy]

No long essay is needed Smithy. Lady Gaga copies Madonna - FACT

I could even list what she has copied from Queen Madonna.

It isn't an essay it's a review showing people who are sad enough to think she ripped off Madge can see that everything in the video stands for something

[Shaun]

It isn't an essay it's a review showing people who are sad enough to think she ripped off Madge can see that everything in the video stands for something

Oh for the love of God - she's about as artistic as my toenails. I've argued this with Gary so many times - there isn't a message in her music, it's just all about relationship problems or sex. And whilst that nice little piece of propaganda does paint a nice little picture for her - Madonna's achievements make her look ridiculously average.

[BOOSH]

In my OPINION I like Gaga and have never liked Madonna, therefore she's queen over her in my eyes.
Her voice is so much better too

[MrGaryy]

I could say exactly the same about failtina but we both know that it's all a load of BS

:xyxwave:

Failtina, aw that's cute. 45 million records? 4 grammies? only singer under thriy in Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Singers Ever? Failtina?

bow down to LEGENDtina. anyone can see GaGa is nothing more than a copy cat mess and that coming from someone who has tickets to the Monster Ball.

stay pressed, bitch.

[Firewire]

Lady GaGa does copy people and there's no denying that. Even if she is 'referencing' Madonna in her videos, she is still copying. I am a GaGa fan, but she is no where near as good as Madonna. FACT. Madonna has been on the scene for almost 30 years, GaGa - 2 years. Maybe, Lady GaGa has been successful in HER first 2 years than Madonna in hers, which I don't know, but will GaGa even be around in 30 years time?

[Shaun]

You cannot honestly say you look at her music videos and think "oh, hmm, this is a rather cutting comment on the surge of technology in modern life" or "ooh, this is a comment on the oppression of homosexuality". No it's not. She's half-naked and writhing around because sex sells. She is not a ****ing artist.

[Firewire]

Failtina, aw that's cute. 45 million records? 4 grammies? only singer under thriy in Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Singers Ever? Failtina?

bow down to LEGENDtina. anyone can see GaGa is nothing more than a copy cat mess and that coming from someone who has tickets to the Monster Ball.

stay pressed, bitch.

LEGENDtina is correct Gary! :P

[InOne]

Also annoys me when people say GaGa is bonkers or eccentric. Just people who've fallen for the act

[MrGaryy]

LEGENDtina is correct Gary! :P

damn right.
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8388/iqbl8p.gif

[Harry!]

It isn't an essay it's a review showing people who are sad enough to think she ripped off Madge can see that everything in the video stands for something

Didnt listen so I will do my list of M videos copied from that music video.

Cherish
Express Yourself
Like A Prayer
Justify My Love
Erotica
Secret
Evita (Dont Cry For Me Argentina Scene)
Vogue
American Life
The Beast Within [RIT Backdrop]
Human Nature
Get Stupid [S + S Backdrop]
Blond Ambition Tour

More also.

[Smithy]

damn right.
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8388/iqbl8p.gif

Is that her miming at the MTV awards

[MrGaryy]

Is that her miming at the MTV awards

nope that's right before she received a standing ovation at the American Idol finale, a few weeks after GaGa's mess of a 'performance'.

[CaraRawr]

Oh ffs. I love Gaga and I agree that Alejandro ripped off Madonna. And XTina is one of the best female popstars ever imo.

[Smithy]

Failtina, aw that's cute. 45 million records? 4 grammies? only singer under thriy in Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Singers Ever? Failtina?

bow down to LEGENDtina. anyone can see GaGa is nothing more than a copy cat mess and that coming from someone who has tickets to the Monster Ball.

stay pressed, bitch.

45 million records over more than a decade, GaGa is almost at half than that in 2 years. IDK wth your on about in the second half of that sentence, so I'll move on :conf2:


Legendtina :laugh2: I could post a load of pictures which could suggest Christina has copied GaGa but it wouldn't prove anything, they're just CHANCE SIMILARITIES (Harry)

[Firewire]

Xtina copied GaGa? Bitch please.

[Smithy]

nope that's right before she received a standing ovation at the American Idol finale, a few weeks after GaGa's mess of a 'performance'.

A standing Ovation at American Idol :eek: wow she must be good, I don't think they ever give anyone standing ovations on it.

[Smithy]

Xtina copied GaGa? Bitch please.

I didn't say she did :s

[MrGaryy]

45 million records over more than a decade, GaGa is almost at half than that in 2 years. IDK wth your on about in the second half of that sentence, so I'll move on :conf2:


Legendtina :laugh2: I could post a load of pictures which could suggest Christina has copied GaGa but it wouldn't prove anything, they're just CHANCE SIMILARITIES (Harry)
oh sweetie, bow out before you embarrass yourself further. Look around, you're losing this debate. badly.


And I do beg your pardon for my typo of thirty. Now run along sweetie, classics such as Summerboy and Teeth are waiting for you xo.

[MrGaryy]

A standing Ovation at American Idol :eek: wow she must be good, I don't think they ever give anyone standing ovations on it.

sure as hell didn't give GaGa one.

[Shaun]

Smithy you're like one of those irritating little stans that's hopelessly blinded by their preferred artist.

Face it, even if she IS great, it's far too early to say.

[Firewire]

This is like saying Robbie Williams is better than Elvis.

[Harry!]

45 million records over more than a decade, GaGa is almost at half than that in 2 years. IDK wth your on about in the second half of that sentence, so I'll move on :conf2:


Legendtina :laugh2: I could post a load of pictures which could suggest Christina has copied GaGa but it wouldn't prove anything, they're just CHANCE SIMILARITIES (Harry)

Just deal with it, Lady Gaga copies Madonna.
FACT

Sign Of The Times.

[InOne]

Rihanna or Beyonce?

[MrGaryy]

Rihanna or Beyonce?

they're more R'n'B really. but out of those two - RIHANNA.

[Firewire]

they're more R'n'B really. but out of those two - RIHANNA.

Agreed.

[Smithy]

oh sweetie, bow out before you embarrass yourself further. Look around, you're losing this debate. badly.


And I do beg your pardon for my typo of thirty. Now run along sweetie, classics such as Summerboy and Teeth are waiting for you xo.
And flops such as NMT and Woohoo are waiting for you
sure as hell didn't give GaGa one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATqdbFkqk2U Think you'll find they did :hugesmile:
Smithy you're like one of those irritating little stans that's hopelessly blinded by their preferred artist.

Face it, even if she IS great, it's far too early to say.
She is my preferred artist but I am easily able to criticize her work, and at least Im like a stan not actually one :tongue:

[MrGaryy]

yeah smithy, even you couldn't stan for a hermie mess.

[Smithy]

wow Gary you clearly thought that one out :thumbs: kudos to you

[Callum]

I love Gaga but I do agree she has copied Madonna in the past. It's not a bad thing, it's just when people say she's original, technically speaking she's not so authentic because she uses other peoples ideas.

[InOne]

they're more R'n'B really. but out of those two - RIHANNA.

These days R'n'B pretty much is pop really

[Vladimir]

Rihanna or Beyonce?


Rihanna, my fave singer. She's one of the most successful R'n'B/pop singers of today, and her latest album is a masterpiece.


And I think that GaGa's trying to have music videos 'with a message', because her music has no message.

[Ross]

Britney Spears.

[BB_Eye]

She doesn't rip them off people just point out the most stupid things to detract from her achievements

Lady GaGa, a known provocateur, has done it again. She became an icon through her music, fashion, and videos, but what many fail to realize and what few succeed in seeing is the artistic vision and the impacting message behind her every move. Spawning from Just Dance to Love Game to Paparazzi and now to Alejandro, each of her videos has an underlying message that people, for whatever reason, only feign to realize once its been told to them. While she was quoted for dedicating her newest video, Alejandro, to the gay community, it surprised me to see that it was less of a cursory nod and was instead a ritualistic tribute to the culture we live in today; tying in government, religion, and the social stigma still deeply embedded into the gay culture.

The video begins provocatively with a man in heels and fishnets - a foreshadowing technique to show what the video is ultimately about. It should be noted that as the soldiers first enter, their stance is powerful, demanding, and intimidating. There are even robust allusions to the Nazi regime. It then begins to establish the roles of a woman and the roles of a man as defined by classic interpretations of gender: GaGa playing the role of a forlorn woman preceding a coffin, men playing the role of soldiers - perhaps the most masculine occupation in the world. But slowly, through the progression of events, the roles are flipped. Gender becomes erroneous and subsidiary to the idea that we are defined by our soul, not by our body.

Unisexuality becomes ubiquitous marked most especially by the bowl haircut, a fashion that both men and women can equally sport. And it is through this vision of unisexuality comes the idea of uniformity and egalitarianism in a world where, while we claim to have modernized, is still addled by the conflicts of gender issues. GaGa uses this ideal of an equal and shared society by placing women in the seat of power, and dressing men in high heels, fishnet stockings, and spanks yet still portraying them as an Adonis figure.

Later on in the video GaGa is seen with a bra fashioned out of machine gun shafts, and while it seems like a healthy nod to Madonna’s cone bra in Vogue, there are more powerful and obvious themes: a tool of masculinity only made to support a woman. Then, in a sequence where GaGa sports a pant suit, the men come marching out with dignity in every stride like the beginning, but this time with a feminine flair, as if they were on a runway. Juxtaposing that with their original entrance begins to unfold this degradation of the idea of what is male and what is female. And in that light, it comically satirizes the fact that military groups haze homosexuals, and were even targeted and killed by Nazi hands. It’s this twisted play on gender and sexuality that makes Alejandro a social message to the masses.

But essentially, where could these thoughts of sexuality and gender even spawn from? Our world is so deeply rooted in dogmatic traditions, that sometimes we fail to realize that it is in religion, most especially Catholicism, where these conflicts first begin. Adam, as the first man made, was fashioned and molded in the image of God, which ultimately leads us, as followers of the holy word, to believe that God is man. And as a MAN of power, he is the alpha. He is the omega. Signifying that anything less than a man, for example a homosexual or a woman, is immediately cast away as irrevocably useless. This idea of religion imposing its ideals and controlling us is exemplified clearly within the first minute of the video where you see a soldier with a golden gun surrounded by wires; an obvious and perhaps blatant message that we are all just puppets of God.

Lady GaGa, however, can’t leave it at just that. While her first sentence may establish the tone of God and religion, gender and sex, she, as a visionary of our generation, toys with this idea, plays with it, and essentially comes out with this subtle, yet brilliant message.

She sets up multiple characters in the video, each one with a purpose: a tyrant, a widow, a nun, a priest, a rebel, and finally, and most importantly, a human being. As mentioned before, the tyrant represents government, politics, and modern society. The widow is the tragic, mourning woman, perhaps a simple glance to the realities of war. However, it’s through the other four symbols does her story and her sermon come to life. A nun is a quintessential figure of maternity, sacrificing ones womb and God-given ability to create life for a devout following and birthing of religion. She is shown praying and then symbolically swallowing a rosary into her throat. While this can be interpreted many ways, I think we can all agree that it’s really quite simple: she is swallowing religion, her beliefs, and what she was raised to be in order to liberate herself and her mind to a more global way of thinking. By swallowing one’s religion it is not a blasphemous act of shutting religion away, but rather accepting it into one’s heart and internalizing the purest message. Allowing our body to sift through the inequities and inevitably yielding the most virgin of attitudes and preaching only of what is truly important: love. The Bible may say being gay is wrong, but isn’t its ultimate message it preaches love? Love which transcends the borders of time constriction unlike the medieval thought of sexuality.

They are then seen stripping and disrobing GaGa dressed as a cardinal priest with red being the only prevalent color in the entire video. This action of pulling apart and eradicating her clothing to expose her to the world serves many purposes and to choose just one is ignorant. Perhaps it’s a message to reveal yourself to the world, to make yourself vulnerable to the thought and philosophy of others. Perhaps it’s a violent urge to accept yourself as you are and that there is nothing inherently wrong with you. Perhaps it’s another message about religion, and that by stripping it and tearing it apart, you are left more holy than when you began. Perhaps it’s all of it and none of it. But the fact that she is covered by the hands of, well, let’s face it, obvious homosexuals, is enough of a message for me.

There is a sequence within the video that I first claimed to be disjointed and completely irrelevant upon first watching it. You can definitely quote me now that although musically lacking, this clip is important in the overall plot. She repeats the chorus “Alejandro” over and over again in a hypnotic fashion and is seen wearing a leather jacket. This is the rebel. This chant of “Alejandro” is like a call to arms, and then showing clips of revolt and terror only fortifies her message that as a society we must fight for change. We must fight for equality, because even though it may seem as if we have changed, there’s still a large majority within the world with archaic points of view.

Which leaves us finally with GaGa as a human being. In this look, she is androgynous. She is neither male, nor female. Her message of equality has transcended and morphed into simply being, existing, living.

Regardless, there’s so much more that I could extend on, and dig even deeper, but it seems that doing so would essentially destroy the entire piece of art. We may try to excavate, discover, and understand, but perhaps it’s
best to simply allow it to exist and keep the meaning to ourselves. Because no matter how far you go, I wouldn’t doubt that GaGa has gone further.

You don't actually take this rubbish seriously, do you?

[Braden]

Madonna is the dogs bollocks.

[Harry!]

Madonna is the dogs bollocks.

No she isnt

http://www.larakela.com/madonna/gifs/madonna%20let%20it%20be.gif

[Smithy]

No she isnt

http://www.larakela.com/madonna/gifs/madonna%20let%20it%20be.gif

:laugh2:
When someone says it's the dogs bollocks they mean that it's the best it can be.

[Braden]

:laugh2:
When someone says it's the dogs bollocks they mean that it's the best it can be.

Thank you Smithy :p

Where have you been Harry? Have you never heard someone say that expression?

[Harry!]

Thank you Smithy :p

Where have you been Harry? Have you never heard someone say that expression?

I have never heard that expression no.

[Harry!]

Oh my gosh look what I found...

Lo2RcQr42BY

[Shaun]

pmsl Harry. Let's see the GaGa fans react to that with all the "OMG JUST A COINCIDENCE!"s they accused Xtina fans of.

[Lee.]

Who is it? The 00's had Britney and Christina [and Jessica for a period]. But who takes the throne as the next queen of teen?

before anyone say's GaGa, she ain't no Britney/Christina so ****. Ke$ha is too much of a hot mess to be in that sort of position. I personally think, if she continues in music, Miley Cyrus has the potential to be as huge as the aforementioned Britney/Christina's. I mean Can't Be Tamed reeks of Dirrty/Slave 4 U. Will she follow the same career pattern? She's actually a lot more talented than Britney, but her Hannah Montana image might be a hindrance.

thoughts?

You're joking? The likes of Britney & Christina are just manufactured pop stars used to sell songs written by other people. Lady gaga may not be everybody's cup of tea but at least she writes and produces all her own songs! I'm sure I read somewhere that she even choreographs her own stage shows.. In my opinion Lady Gaga is probably one of the most talented females of her genre this century..
Oh and she has written songs for the likes of Britney before too..
Definitely the more talented one :)

[Smithy]

Oh my gosh look what I found...

Lo2RcQr42BY

Im sorry but rofl at how pathetic some of them are, Madonna answers a phone and so does GaGa OMFG she obviously compied her!!!! errm no the freaking song is called telephone. Some of them are off tours aswell so If Gaga hasn't seen the tour it is obviously just similarity. The cone bra was pretty poor attempt at trying to say she copied her especially when that had already been cleared up while it seems like a healthy nod to Madonna’s cone bra in Vogue, there are more powerful and obvious themes: a tool of masculinity only made to support a woman. The dancing is similar because GaGa has said in numerous interviews that the video pays homage to vogue, but you clearly didn't read the review and just went off to find a random video.

Plus idc why you decided to bring it back up, it seems a rather sad thing to do.

[Smithy]

pmsl Harry. Let's see the GaGa fans react to that with all the "OMG JUST A COINCIDENCE!"s they accused Xtina fans of.

I have said in the Xtina thread that people have to be pretty sad to say that she's copying GaGa and that they're nothing more than coincidences.

[Harry!]

Im sorry but rofl at how pathetic some of them are, Madonna answers a phone and so does GaGa OMFG she obviously compied her!!!! errm no the freaking song is called telephone. Some of them are off tours aswell so If Gaga hasn't seen the tour it is obviously just similarity. The cone bra was pretty poor attempt at trying to say she copied her especially when that had already been cleared up while it seems like a healthy nod to Madonna’s cone bra in Vogue, there are more powerful and obvious themes: a tool of masculinity only made to support a woman. The dancing is similar because GaGa has said in numerous interviews that the video pays homage to vogue, but you clearly didn't read the review and just went off to find a random video.

Plus idc why you decided to bring it back up, it seems a rather sad thing to do.

Because I saw that video whilst browsing on the web.

And just a light homage to the Cone Bra... Look at this picture below.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m52/Madonnababe/09-1.jpg

PURE copyage.

[Smithy]

First of all she pulls it off better than Madonna and second of all copyage isn't a word :D

[MrGaryy]

You're joking? The likes of Britney & Christina are just manufactured pop stars used to sell songs written by other people. Lady gaga may not be everybody's cup of tea but at least she writes and produces all her own songs! I'm sure I read somewhere that she even choreographs her own stage shows.. In my opinion Lady Gaga is probably one of the most talented females of her genre this century..
Oh and she has written songs for the likes of Britney before too..
Definitely the more talented one :)

Christina Aguilera was written every song bar 6 on her last three albums... She's also written for other artists, like Kelly Clarkson.

I comment was not to insinuate that GaGa was inferior to them. 'she's no Britney/Christina' was simply making the point that she's a totally different type of star, she's not a Pop Star in the tradition sense which is what this thread is about.

[MrGaryy]

First of all she pulls it off better than Madonna and second of all copyage isn't a word :D

yet she has undeniably copied her, as proven by this non-response.

[Harry!]

First of all she pulls it off better than Madonna and second of all copyage isn't a word :D

No she dont pull it off better and I just made that up.

[Lee.]

Christina Aguilera was written every song bar 6 on her last three albums... She's also written for other artists, like Kelly Clarkson.

I comment was not to insinuate that GaGa was inferior to them. 'she's no Britney/Christina' was simply making the point that she's a totally different type of star, she's not a Pop Star in the tradition sense which is what this thread is about.

Ahhh.. ok, I see
I'll get me coat.. :D

[Smithy]

yet she has undeniably copied her, as proven by this non-response.

She wears a cone bra so has copied her???

The interview could have been something related to Madonna so the whole picture could have been taken out of context.

[MrGaryy]

I've seen the interview. It wasn't.

[Smithy]

No she dont pull it off better and I just made that up.

She does, by far

[Annie]

Miley does seem like a Princess type. I think Pixie Lott a bit as well but then a Pop Princess is normally american.

[gavinh2008]

Naa a Pop Princess has to be successful, but Miley's success is very limited. Her singles can't even reach top 10 here, and while she does okay in the US, she's too average to have such a title. We're only in the first year of the 2010s, so give it a while til someone new comes along. Or I would say Taylor Swift, since she seems to be doing better than Miley in terms of album and single sales.

[MrGaryy]

I think they need to have worldwide success. which Miley can't seem to have in these parts, and Pixie doesn't even seem to be trying.

[InOne]

I think they need to have worldwide success. which Miley can't seem to have in these parts, and Pixie doesn't even seem to be trying.

Pixie is trying to crack America atm isn't she?

[Smithy]

She's due to Joe, but that isnt the world :laugh:

[MrGaryy]

Pixie is trying to crack America atm isn't she?

is she? I wouldn't know I've blocked her from my browser.

[InOne]

is she? I wouldn't know I've blocked her from my browser.

Well she is over there haha plus shes doing that tour with Rihanna, so shes not doing all bad

[Smithy]

Shes touring with Rihanna in the UK not th US though :P

[InOne]

Yes but still gets her known lol Did she get a number 1 with 'Turn It Up'?

[Smithy]

Not yet :P

[Lee.]

Well she is over there haha plus shes doing that tour with Rihanna, so shes not doing all bad

Pixie Lott sucks! :)

[InOne]

Pixie Lott sucks! :)

And why is that my dear? lol

[Lee.]

And why is that my dear? lol

Haha.. I'm only joking. I haven't got a clue who she is. I only know her to look at because you sometimes post photos of her..

[InOne]

Haha.. I'm only joking. I haven't got a clue who she is. I only know her to look at because you sometimes post photos of her..

Youtube her!!!

[MrGaryy]

lmfao, I don't think Turn It Up even made Top 10?

[InOne]

lmfao, I don't think Turn It Up even made Top 10?

I dunno lol her last 3 singles have not done well t all D:

[Smithy]

It got #11 Joe

[Shaun]

Turn It Up was #11 today.

But then again she keeps releasing bad singles. "Here It Goes Again" makes "Turn it Up", "Cry Me Out" and whatever was inbetween them look like the dullards they are. There's been enough off the first album now, she needs to work on the follow-up.

[InOne]

Yeah theres been loads off this album, shes been milking it for too long.

[Smithy]

Its because the album charted pretty poorly to begin with, so releasing more singles was a way of getting album sales up