IMO this is NOT Bullying... the only times...

[*mazedsalv**]

that bullying has occured throughout the series are these moments IMO:

1. Sophie BB3. It was not needed, any arguments normally have a purpose, she just came in and got IMO victimised.

2. Sam BB6. This was vicious, it wasnt the usual shouting, it was very threatening. Howeer nothing was done with this. Lesley said "I will get you when we get outside this house" which obviously makes a violent threat to her.

3. Shahbaz BB7. This was probably the actual biggest cause of bullying in the house, and Im shocked Ofcom did not recieve many complaints (i was talking about this in Media earlier, how back in these days we didnt think it was a big deal until the race row, now we tread on eggshells. All against one, and lets not forget that BB7 started out with the same amount as BB11 has now (14), so it was 13 against 1 housemate. taking his clothes when he was in the pool, locking him in the garden and shouting him down whenever he spoke.

4. Freddie BB10. Exactly like Shahbaz tbh, but this time Freddie actually had a couple of people who was on his side, but the others just wanted to put him down.

Other moments that come close but i dont see as bullying are:
Sam BB7, Sara BB9 and Mo BB9 (this was only one night and was a drunken cause).

Do you agree?

[Rob!]

Shabaz probably was bullied...unfortuantly not enough viewers liked him to complain...eek.

[Bigbrofan25]

yes dude I agree

[Jordan.]

Shahbaz brought it on himself IMO agreed with the others though

[pixee]

I don't know I'll have to see tonights HL show, so far no. Freddie was bad but didn't look as bad cause he wasn't totally alone.

[vesavius]

that bullying has occured throughout the series are these moments IMO:

1. Sophie BB3. It was not needed, any arguments normally have a purpose, she just came in and got IMO victimised.

2. Sam BB6. This was vicious, it wasnt the usual shouting, it was very threatening. Howeer nothing was done with this. Lesley said "I will get you when we get outside this house" which obviously makes a violent threat to her.

3. Shahbaz BB7. This was probably the actual biggest cause of bullying in the house, and Im shocked Ofcom did not recieve many complaints (i was talking about this in Media earlier, how back in these days we didnt think it was a big deal until the race row, now we tread on eggshells. All against one, and lets not forget that BB7 started out with the same amount as BB11 has now (14), so it was 13 against 1 housemate. taking his clothes when he was in the pool, locking him in the garden and shouting him down whenever he spoke.

4. Freddie BB10. Exactly like Shahbaz tbh, but this time Freddie actually had a couple of people who was on his side, but the others just wanted to put him down.

Other moments that come close but i dont see as bullying are:
Sam BB7 and Mo BB9 (this was only one night and was a drunken cause).

Do you agree?

very much so, and excellent post.

People that throw words like 'bully', 'victim', and 'abuse' around when it is so far from the truth are just projecting their own issues onto the show imo.

It's one of the main reasons that BB has become neutered over the years.

[_Seth]

I agree, I'll be seriously annoyed if JJ is told off. He hasn't bullied anyone. He was only wrong over the dinner table because she wasn't being a bitch to anyone. BUT, he tells her what she's done wrong... Rachael's sly about stuff.

[ElProximo]

BB10 Sree was some pretty disgusting bullying but what happened is that people disliked him so instead of complaining they said things like '..well its his fault for not doing what they tell him'.
Which was actually the really disgusting part of it for me. That so many viewers had 'morally relative' standards or just decided it was not 'bullying' in the same way whipping a slave is not 'bullying' but what ought to be done.

Anyways,
So far not seeing a lot of problems this season. For the most part the men may not all like each other but are have been very civil and respecting each others space. Shabby may 'want' or 'attempt' to bully men and women alike but so far its not working.

Steve could have been a threat for bullying and especially with his military background and the fact he looks like a damn Terminator Cyborg,
yet,
don't see any aggression or pushing anyone around or anything from him.

So far so good this season!

[iRyan]

I do think it's bullying.

Repeatedly putting down someone to the point of them crying on multiple occasions, as well as trying to seclude the person from the rest of the group by telling other people to ignore them is bullying in both social and verbal forms. If John James was unattractive, I HIGHLY doubt as many people would be on his side.

[Niamh.]

also Shilpa from CBB

[vesavius]

I do think it's bullying.


/sigh... here we go...

[*mazedsalv**]

also Shilpa from CBB

Meant to put on my first post "Except for the obvious one"... but yeah except in that case.

[teabag.]

WHAT?! do people seriously think this is bullying?!

[Niamh.]

WHAT?! do people seriously think this is bullying?!

People cry Bully the minute anyone argues:rolleyes:

[ElProximo]

People cry Bully the minute anyone argues:rolleyes:

and you would be the expert on that.

[Niall]

BB10 Sree was some pretty disgusting bullying but what happened is that people disliked him so instead of complaining they said things like '..well its his fault for not doing what they tell him'.
Which was actually the really disgusting part of it for me. That so many viewers had 'morally relative' standards or just decided it was not 'bullying' in the same way whipping a slave is not 'bullying' but what ought to be done.



Tbf, Sree brought most of that on himself. He was a bit of a twat imo.

[Jarvio]

SHAHBAZ was the biggest cock in BB history, and I don't care if I sound harsh here, but he deserved to be bullied. The man's behaviour was simply unacceptable and he deserved the victimization. He was a rude, nasty, attention-seeking twat that needed telling straight.

I kind of agree with all the others though. Also, Bea last year did a bit of bullying, mainly to David.

[*mazedsalv**]

SHAHBAZ was the biggest cock in BB history, and I don't care if I sound harsh here, but he deserved to be bullied. The man's behaviour was simply unacceptable and he deserved the victimization. He was a rude, nasty, attention-seeking twat that needed telling straight.

I kind of agree with all the others though. Also, Bea last year did a bit of bullying, mainly to David.

No one deserves to be bullied.
Full stop.

[Jarvio]

No one deserves to be bullied.
Full stop.

I think there's a line though. And Shahbaz crossed it IMO. I can see what you mean, but I really do think Shahbaz WAS that bad

[chauncey]

He's crackers.When he rounded on her during the task when she made a little joke about enjoying the food?That is bullying behaviour;jumping on someones every comment until they feel so unconfident they don't feel like speaking;which Rachael has said today she feels like.

Some fools on here seem to think just because incorrect bullying accusations have been thrown around before or,because it hasn't built up over a long
period of time, it's not bullying.

Whether it's been happening for 3 days or 3 months JJ IS bullying her.Would you be happy with someone treating your litttle sister or your mum like JJ is treating Rachael?

Fine he doesn't like her;then leave her alone,stop picking at every comment and movement she makes.JJ is a nasty,nasty person.

[kisywisy]

I do think it's bullying.

Repeatedly putting down someone to the point of them crying on multiple occasions, as well as trying to seclude the person from the rest of the group by telling other people to ignore them is bullying in both social and verbal forms. If John James was unattractive, I HIGHLY doubt as many people would be on his side.

it's NOT bullying!!

she cries because she can't take being pulled up about anything. maybe she's been surrounded by 'yes' people too much. plus, she started crying the other night when he WASN'T there

i mean, come on, she needs to grow up a bit and stick up for herself instead of pulling tears when she's called out

[ILoveTRW]

aw i loved sophie, one of the most underrated housemates ever
she was just so real

[bansheewails]

I wouldn't call it bullying, he is just a self serving, arrogant, knob who believes the public is on his side.

[chauncey]

it's NOT bullying!!

she cries because she can't take being pulled up about anything. maybe she's been surrounded by 'yes' people too much. plus, she started crying the other night when he WASN'T there

i mean, come on, she needs to grow up a bit and stick up for herself instead of pulling tears when she's called out

Sigh,victim blaming.Yes it's HER fault for crying after being systematically targetted,verbally attacked,and character assassinated for 3 days.Not the fault of the guy doing it,no???

Funny how JJ fans don't address that NO ONE in the house supports his behaviour towards Rachael,even his closest friends,they all say he's going too far and needs to move on,yet people on here are justifying his behaviour.

[kisywisy]

He's crackers.When he rounded on her during the task when she made a little joke about enjoying the food?That is bullying behaviour;jumping on someones every comment until they feel so unconfident they don't feel like speaking;which Rachael has said today she feels like.

Some fools on here seem to think just because incorrect bullying accusations have been thrown around before or,because it hasn't built up over a long
period of time, it's not bullying.

Whether it's been happening for 3 days or 3 months JJ IS bullying her.Would you be happy with someone treating your litttle sister or your mum like JJ is treating Rachael?

Fine he doesn't like her;then leave her alone,stop picking at every comment and movement she makes.JJ is a nasty,nasty person.

well, 1. my sister wouldn't have the attitude that she does
and 2. she wouldn't burst into tears like a pathetic child

my daughter cries when she's given into trouble...she EIGHT!!
if she cries to me about someone being horrible to her, i send her out to stick up for herself.

my daughter HAS been bullied in the past, so i've not got my head in the sand either.

[starry]

We never had live feed with Freddie though.

[BB_Eye]

I would say bullying has been pretty much a staple of the series.

Penny BB2 - Stuart was very cruel to her and possibly the reason she got evicted the first week. Thank goodness Stuart was gone a week later.

Sophie BB3 - Very petty and malicious, totally unprovoked and done for no other reason than the fact that she was the newbie.

Sam BB6 - She was isolated in the house and wasn't just bullied by Leslie, but also Derek who had an almost obsessive vendetta against her.

Shahbaz, Sam and Suzie BB7 - Yes, Shahbaz may have been a nightmare to live with, but Grace and Sezer took a pretty vicious campaign against him. Grace plotted against Sam and was very good at getting away with it... placing the blame on to Lisa and Lea. Later on we got Grace's obsessive bitching about Suzie. I remember BB doing a lie detector test on the housemate and found Grace was the only one not to show any signs of anxiety while lying. Alarm bells pretty much rang at that point. Psycho bitch alert!

Everyone BB8 - Well... what can I say? Carole made the whole house miserable with plenty of help from Charley and Ziggy.

Mohamed BB9 - Alexandra and Team Bitch's bullying of Mo was probably the most unpleasant to watch. It went on for weeks on end, hardly anyone stuck up for him and worst of all, he ended up befriending the BBlock twats Rex and Darnell.

Freddie - Another one which is easy to make excuses for just because he may have been irritating at times. Lisa and Bea obviously felt threatened by someone more intelligent than them.

[chauncey]

well, 1. my sister wouldn't have the attitude that she does
and 2. she wouldn't burst into tears like a pathetic child

my daughter cries when she's given into trouble...she EIGHT!!
if she cries to me about someone being horrible to her, i send her out to stick up for herself.

my daughter HAS been bullied in the past, so i've not got my head in the sand either.

Yeah yeah,because only children have reason to cry,or get bullied.I love these 'tough as nails' characters on the net.You've never cried as an adult,or comforted an adult friend who has?

,yep she deserved it,silly woman, already seen other JJ fans saying she 'needs a slap',if he did,I'm sure you'd justify that too.

[kisywisy]

Sigh,victim blaming.Yes it's HER fault for crying after being systematically targetted,verbally attacked,and character assassinated for 3 days.Not the fault of the guy doing it,no???

Funny how JJ fans don't address that NO ONE in the house supports his behaviour towards Rachael,even his closest friends,they all say he's going too far and needs to move on,yet people on here are justifying his behaviour.


erm...closest friends?? they've know each other for a week!! noone in that house are friends yet. they are ALL just getting to know each other and they are ALL still in 'game plan mode'

he went too far at the table, yes, but ONLY because he started shouting. his point was valid.

verbally attacked?? you mean, like...arguing?? character assassinated?? oh, please!!

[chauncey]

erm...closest friends?? they've know each other for a week!! noone in that house are friends yet. they are ALL just getting to know each other and they are ALL still in 'game plan mode'

he went too far at the table, yes, but ONLY because he started shouting. his point was valid.

verbally attacked?? you mean, like...arguing?? character assassinated?? oh, please!!

Mmmhmm yeah.You forgot to add the standard 'oh my god JJ is so *special and unique* for being the beautifullest guy in there and not going for Rachael!'- I can't believe people are actually falling for his game.

[bansheewails]

It makes me laugh because JJ has said on numerous occasions that he wants to be Heats torso of the week. He is a hypocrite as well as arrogant!

[chauncey]

It makes me laugh because JJ has said on numerous occasions that he wants to be Heats torso of the week. He is a hypocrite as well as arrogant!

He'll have his arse out in a gay mag the second he leaves.

Do his fans really believe he is so above the girls in terms of wanting fame and exposure?Yeah,he flew halfway around the world to appear on a foriegn BB just for 'the experiwience and to make new fwends':joker:

[kisywisy]

Yeah yeah,because only children have reason to cry,or get bullied.I love these 'tough as nails' characters on the net.You've never cried as an adult,or comforted an adult friend who has?

,yep she deserved it,silly woman, already seen other JJ fans saying she 'needs a slap',if he did,I'm sure you'd justify that too.

hello?? hellooooooo?? are you still in my head, reading my thoughts?? no?? well DON'T assume you know how i'd react to that.

yes, i've cried but NOT over something as STUPID as that!! (as least, not since i was 15/16)

i'd prefer to be 'tough as nails' than a wet blanket

[kisywisy]

Mmmhmm yeah.You forgot to add the standard 'oh my god JJ is so *special and unique* for being the beautifullest guy in there and not going for Rachael!'- I can't believe people are actually falling for his game.

not really much point continuing this with you. getting tedious

enjoy bb

[vesavius]

erm...closest friends?? they've know each other for a week!! noone in that house are friends yet. they are ALL just getting to know each other and they are ALL still in 'game plan mode'

he went too far at the table, yes, but ONLY because he started shouting. his point was valid.

verbally attacked?? you mean, like...arguing?? character assassinated?? oh, please!!

You'll get used to Chauncey Kis.

She uses the most extreme over dramatic language ('victim', 'abuse', 'bully') to describe what is basicially an argument between two equal adults.

I have no idea why, maybe it's just projection, maybe it's for attention, maybe for some other reason, but I wouldnt let it bother you.

it's a shame though, people like her have killed this show slowly over the years.

[MrWong]

"Psychological bullying.
Examples of psychological bullying and social manipulation include: ostracizing or ignoring peers, not inviting them to join groups or activities, spreading lies or rumors, name calling, and teasing hurtfully.


So are people denying that he's doing those things?

There are examples like this on the net, on Beat Bullying websites for instance. Why not educate yourself about it?

It's relentless aswell. On and on. Dude needs to give it a rest :sleep:

[LBB11]

I dont like her but i dont think its fair the amont of crap hes giving her and yes i am a JJ fan but it seems hes being a tad over nasty way her, but hey its realy life yes but they wanted to go into big brother and **** always happens in the house that people in there and out here wont like but after 11years everybody should no that or if going in the house be aware of how people will treat them. Im a hearty person and that would have hurt me as well but i would have give it back as good as i got, and no children arent the only people that are allowed to cry, i cry alot proberly more than my 2 children lol. We all like the show and we all like diffrent people and everyones point counts to them if they dont like it well argue here or get over it we,re no in the house we,re just watching its a show its on to entertain us imho.

[vesavius]

It's relentless aswell. On and on. Dude needs to give it a rest :sleep:

Yeah, some people around here need to as well :sleep:

[MrWong]

You'll get used to Chauncey Kis.

She uses the most extreme over dramatic language ('victim', 'abuse', 'bully') to describe what is basicially an argument between two equal adults.

I have no idea why, maybe it's just projection, maybe it's for attention, maybe for some other reason, but I wouldnt let it bother you.

it's a shame though, people like her have killed this show slowly over the years.

Since you're familier with projection. Can you not see that's exactly what's happening with JJ towards Rach? He hates her for everything that he is.

Vain, fame hungry wannabe.

[Real]

She should have stood her ground and gave as good as she got instead of leaving the table.

[MrWong]

Yeah, some people around here need to as well :sleep:

Mighty fine debating skills you've got there :joker::joker::joker:

[LBB11]

Yeah, some people around here need to as well :sleep:


lmao your so right, i fine it so funny because i dont get why people get so hot up about things that are so sad/stupid and have to do with people that arent in there rell lifes. Lifes hard for most so they like to argue and bitch and this is just the place every year to vent it out.

[MrWong]

She should have stood her ground and gave as good as she got instead of leaving the table.

Maybe she would have if she wasn't up for eviction?

When you're up it's best not to have an argument.

[vesavius]

Mighty fine debating skills you've got there :joker::joker::joker:

would debating you really do any good wong? would you listen? would you have a moment of clarity, see the other side of things, and change your stance to accomadate valid points made to you?

I don't think so, so I have given up trying. Sorry.

[MrWong]

would debating you really do any good wong? would you listen? would you have a moment of clarity, see the other side of things, and change your stance to accomadate valid points made to you?

I don't think so, so I have given up trying. Sorry.

Try answering some of the points i make then?

I gave examples of bullying. Do you think he's done any of the things i highlighted in the text?

What's the other side of things? Go ahead and justify what he's doing instead of making smart arsed comments. That's not really debating is it.

[vesavius]

Try answering some of the points i make then?

I gave examples of bullying. Do you think he's done any of the things i highlighted in the text?

What's the other side of things? Go ahead and justify what he's doing instead of making smart arsed comments. That's not really debating is it.

No it isnt, but I have explained I have given up debating with you on this issue.

I have said what i think, you have said what you think. neither of us will cause the other to have an epiphany, so just take what you want and move on. Use it or don't, but theres no point in flogging a dead horse.

It's honestly all the same to me.

[MrWong]

No it isnt, but I have explained I have given up debating with you on this issue.

I have said what i think, you have said what you think. neither of us will cause the other to have an epiphany, so just take what you want and move on. Use it or don't, but theres no point in flogging a dead horse.

Given up? You didn't even start. :hugesmile: Read back the thread.

Debating is making valid arguments and defending them.

You didn't do that.

[vesavius]

Given up? You didn't even start. :hugesmile: Read back the thread.

Debating is making valid arguments and defending them.

You didn't do that.

it's not just this thread that you have been saying the same things in though is it?

Like I say though, done with you on this topic. The inevitable last word is yours.

[fruit_cake]

i dont see how it can be bullying when there's five of them and only one of JJ?

[chauncey]

JJ fans you're right.It doesn't matter whether or not Rachael's being bullied,
all that matters is that Shabby is odds on to go and Rachael is staying,I'm sure this will please JJ and by extension you,his fans,very much!:hugesmile:

[fruit_cake]

as far as im aware, since JJ's started his psycho like attacks, Rachaels eviction odds have shortened