The man is fearsome... watch him go

[vesavius]

Well, dumb hapless harmless Ben is gone and the true Ben is now on show...

Watch him exploit JJ's alientation to recruit him into Team Nerd as he consolidates his power base and drives a deeper wedge between the two groups with defamation and manipulation.

His precise timing to flip his game into something else is impressive tbh. He may be the best player I have seen in BB ever if this works out.

Once Shabby goes on friday, clueless 'I'm so lovely' Rachael will become Queen Bitch (Govan as her henchman) and the faction will just become a vitriolic but ineffectual bitchfest.

Team Nerd are looking good to destroy the Bitches over the next few weeks.

I am so glad that Josie and Nathan are still calling their own shots. This will get messy :D

[arsenalforever]

i think the last two you mention are team bitch memebers myself

[vesavius]

i think the last two you mention are team bitch memebers myself

Nah, they are floaters.

Just because people like to sit and joke with Josie dosent mean she's with them, and she certainly dosent bitch (as in saying stuff behind peoples backs she wouldnt say to their faces).

[chauncey]

Haha shame JJ fans.Your boy's being sucked into Team BitchHutManboyLoserBore.

You can see JJ is uncomfortable with Ben's iron grip on him,haha that will teach him for using Ben as a person to be turned against Rachael.JJ has now got himself a stage 5 clinger:laugh3:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Josie and Nathan are definitely not Team Bitch, Josie is friends with Govan but she doesn't get drawn into the slagging he does, and Nathan is a total floater as far as I can make out.

[arsenalforever]

Nah, they are floaters.

Just because people like to sit and joke with Josie dosent mean she's with them, and she certainly dosent bitch (as in saying stuff behind peoples backs she wouldnt say to their faces).

i don't mean she bitches but she does hang with them a lot more then team ben or nerd as you like to call them:joker:

[vesavius]

i don't mean she bitches but she does hang with them a lot more then team ben or nerd as you like to call them:joker:

again, no, not from what I have seen.

Josie is her own faction right now.

[vesavius]

You can see JJ is uncomfortable with Ben's iron grip on him,haha that will teach him for using Ben as a person to be turned against Rachael

I actually agree that he dosent seem all that happy about it heh.

he knows the Bitches are gonna destory him first chance though.

[chauncey]

Yuess! You know what I see happening with Ben and JJ?
Another Craig/Anfernee style relationship.Ben is utterly devoted to JJ now.

But JJ has a lot less patience than Anthony; it will only be a matter of time till he cracks and tells Ben to leave him the hell alone.

[MrWong]

Well, dumb hapless harmless Ben is gone and the true Ben is now on show...

Watch him exploit JJ's alientation to recruit him into Team Nerd as he consolidates his power base and drives a deeper wedge between the two groups with defamation and manipulating.

His precise timing to flip his game into something else is impressive tbh. He may be the best player I have seen in BB ever if this works out.

Once Shabby goes on friday, clueless 'I'm so lovely' Rachael will become Queen Bitch (Govan as her henchman) and the faction will just become a vitriolic but ineffectual bitchfest.

Team Nerd are looking good to destroy the Bitches over the next few weeks.

I am so glad that Josie and Nathan are still calling their own shots. This will get messy :D

Good post.

I have spotted this but i've been far too busy with JJ defenders.

Now BB's given him a talking to he might calm down.

Although Ben is doing a very good job of winding him up and putting targets on Shabby, Ife and Caoimhe's back at the moment on live feed, saying that they were saying negative things about JJ and his behaviour towards Rach.

So another rant could happen any minute. :hugesmile:

That Ben's a slippery character for sure.

[vesavius]

Good post.

I have spotted this but i've been far too busy with JJ defenders.

Now BB's given him a talking to he might calm down.

Although Ben is doing a very good job of winding him up and putting targets on Shabby, Ife and Caoimhe's back at the moment on live feed, saying that they were saying negative things about JJ and his behaviour towards Rach.

So another rant could happen any minute. :hugesmile:

That Ben's a slippery character for sure.

Yeah, at the moment JJ is definitly being recruited as the Nerd's attack dog. His temper, and the fact that he honestly aint too bright, makes him easy to manipulate and direct.

Ben isnt the type to do his own dirty work.

[arsenalforever]

Yeah, at the moment JJ is definitly being recruited as the Nerd's attack dog. His temper, and the fact that he honestly aint too bright, makes him easy to manipulate and direct.

Ben isnt the type to do his own dirty work.

a tean bitcgh fan

i'm starting to think we might have a figh somewhere down the line:joker:

[MrWong]

Yeah, at the moment JJ is definitly being recruited as the Nerd's attack dog. His temper, and the fact that he honestly aint too bright, makes him easy to manipulate and direct.

Ben isnt the type to do his own dirty work.

I don't think we've had a hm as devious as this since Derek Laud.

[vesavius]

a tean bitcgh fan

i'm starting to think we might have a figh somewhere down the line:joker:

who me?

lol no, whyever did you say that based on this thread?

[Zizz6]

His precise timing to flip his game into something else is impressive tbh. He may be the best player I have seen in BB ever if this works out.

Ben really is the most evil player in the house!

All the night he has been putting targets on Shabby's and Govan's backs. And the housemates don't even got the faintest idea, who's manipulating their brains.

Don't get me wrong. I kind of like Ben and dislike Gollum and Scabby.

[SoFarSoGood282]

Ben really is the most evil player in the house!

All the night he has been putting targets on Shabby's and Govan's backs. And the housemates don't even got the faintest idea, who's manipulating their brains.

Don't get me wrong. I kind of like Ben and dislike Gollum and Scabby.


Is he not just saying what he sees because everything he has said is true :conf:

[vesavius]

Is he not just saying what he sees because everything he has said is true :conf:

Your missing the point of whats being said though a little.

Yes, he is saying what he sees, but its WHY he is saying it, and WHEN, and even to WHOM.

His move was perfectly (cynically?) calculated and I would put money on his him and his team to destroy the bitches any day.

[arsenalforever]

Your missing the point of whats being said though a little.

Yes, he is saying what he sees, but its WHY he is saying it, and WHEN, and even to WHOM.

His move was perfectly (cynically?) calculated and I would put money on his him and his team to destroy the bitches any day.

Vesavius just is saying this cause he's a treat to his boring josie

[cookiemonster]

i don't agree with you all, Ben just seems like a really nice guy to me.

and i'm good at working people out. i haven't seen even a slight bit of nastiness in him.

[vesavius]

Vesavius just is saying this cause he's a treat to his boring josie

sigh.. give it a rest eh Arsenal?

you seem to want to turn every thread into about the same old thing.

We are talking about Ben and his faction building here, nothing else.

[vesavius]

i don't agree with you all, Ben just seems like a really nice guy to me.

and i'm good at working people out. i haven't seen even a slight bit of nastiness in him.

Well, you probably think you are good, but if you are watching LF tonight and havent missed whats happened I kinda have to doubt it.

Not being rude, just saying.

[arsenalforever]

sigh.. give it a rest eh Arsenal?

you seem to want to turn every thread into about the same old thing.

We are talking about Ben and his faction building here, nothing else.

no we're not i see behind your plan

you say you like him but you knock him
he caught out govan yet he gets hate

[vesavius]

no we're not i see behind your plan

same old :sleep:

[MrWong]

sigh.. give it a rest eh Arsenal?

you seem to want to turn every thread into about the same old thing.

We are talking about Ben and his faction building here, nothing else.

Are you banging your head against the desk yet? :hugesmile:

Hardly anyone debates the events on here :bawling:

[LiquidGold]

Haha shame JJ fans.Your boy's being sucked into Team BitchHutManboyLoserBore.

You can see JJ is uncomfortable with Ben's iron grip on him,haha that will teach him for using Ben as a person to be turned against Rachael.JJ has now got himself a stage 5 clinger:laugh3:

i cant tell who's using who anymore cause ben's become bitchy now and yes i know everyone more or less will seem a bit bitchy but the way he compliments rachel and then wen john slags her down then he's there going " yep yep she is" wtf!!! :joker::sleep:

[headaball]

Is this a joke thread?

If so.

:joker:

[vesavius]

Are you banging your head against the desk yet? :hugesmile:

Hardly anyone debates the events on here :bawling:

lol I know.

Wouldnt even be so bad if there was a iota of imagination in it... it's the repetition that does my head in most.


:sleep::sleep::sleep:

[vesavius]

Is this a joke thread?

If so.

:joker:

Nice contribution.

Thanks for your input.

[boomoo]

The whole point of going into the BB house is to try to stay in as long as possible. Therefore, they are all trying in their own way to be in a group otherwise they can be picked off by both groups.
Govan started as soon as he went in counting up his team. They saw what happened last year and the fact that Lisa lasted right to the last week shows it can be done.

Ben is very nervous of groups and he has handled Mario mauling him quite well.
If anything it is JJ who is the biggest playing even his attacks on Rachel is to get noticed. He probably thought for a change for BB someone attacking a pretty girl instead of hopping into bed would be more interesting. It was getting boring watching people pair up just for TV.

[arsenalforever]

lol I know.

Wouldnt even be so bad if there was a iota of imagination in it... it's the repetition that does my head in most.


:sleep::sleep::sleep:

:sleep: wong is a troll

i don't repeat it i'm driving into your head

its working

[arsenalforever]

Nice contribution.

Thanks for your input.

its good imput

use it

[vesavius]

you say you like him but you knock him
he caught out govan yet he gets hate

I honestly don't know what you smoke half the time Arsenal.

I have never claimed to like Ben, in fact i have been calling him a slimey manipulator for a while.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140972&highlight=vesavius

I have only stated that his gameplay tonight has been pretty skilled and well done.

Thats called objectivity.

[arsenalforever]

I honestly don't know what you smoke half the time Arsenal.

I have never claimed to like Ben, in fact i have been calling him a slimey manipulator for a while.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140972&highlight=vesavius

I have only stated that his gameplay tonight has been pretty skilled and well done.

Thats called objectivity.

i'm just fed up how quickly some of you change your mind
its so annoying can you not stick one thing

but what i'm saying is he's getting alot of hate on here for doing somehting most of you wanted and that was catching govan out

its not a gameplan but warnign a good friend that he is ben used

right or wrong?

[headaball]

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/data/519/3142753927gay_thread.jpg

[arsenalforever]

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/data/519/3142753927gay_thread.jpg

:joker:

[vesavius]

i'm just fed up how quickly some of you change your mind
its so annoying can you not stick one thing

but what i'm saying is he's getting alot of hate on here for doing somehting most of you wanted and that was catching govan out

its not a gameplan but warnign a good friend that he is ben used

right or wrong?

ahh who even cares. whatever I post you will just reply with some other nonsense.

it's honestly become pointless to even try to talk to you anymore. your posts are mind numbingly repetitive and borderline gibberish.

[arsenalforever]

ahh who even cares. whatever I post you will just reply with some other nonsense.

it's honestly become pointless to even try to talk to you anymore. your posts are mind numbingly repetitive and borderline gibberish.

nonsesnse i feel offended if only i cared

listen i'm not been repetitive or talking gibberish

We just don;t agree don't get insulting
i will respect your take on things
respect mine

[Sabrewulf238]

I think I'm totally missing the conversation where Ben told John James he was his father and asked him to come over to his side...

maybe it's a live feed thing?

[vesavius]

I think I'm totally missing the conversation where Ben told John James he was his father and asked him to come over to his side...

maybe it's a live feed thing?

yeah, it was, with them all sitting in the hut, which Ben has decreed to be the place where they all (including Steve) are to go for little nightly meanings from here on.

it will be interesting to see who turns up there tonight to see if his little attempt to recruit paid off.

[lol]

I don't care if Ben bitches or not. As long as "Team Nerd" stay till the end and "Team Bitch" get evicted before everyone else then I'm fine with it.

[fruit_cake]

i like ben but he is a bit creepy with Rachael

[vesavius]

i like ben but he is a bit creepy with Rachael

lol he is a bit creepy with everyone.

he is just a bit creepy :P

[rusticgal]

I think Bens great but I dont think he is a manipulator.... but he is very aware.

[vesavius]

I think Bens great but I dont think he is a manipulator.... but he is very aware.

was you watching LF last night Rustic?

we saw a very different Ben step up then the guy who has been playing so far.

[vesavius]

I don't care if Ben bitches or not. As long as "Team Nerd" stay till the end and "Team Bitch" get evicted before everyone else then I'm fine with it.

I would prefer Bitch to get their game on and fight back myself, but to do that they need a strong socially aware leader, which they just havent got.

Not that I care who out of the two teams wins, they are both pretty horrible, but it will make better TV.

[Zizz6]

Ben is very nervous of groups and he has handled Mario mauling him quite well.

Well, Ben got his own gang and it is much more powerful than the 'feminists' or 'smokers' groups.

But these groups are a bit confusing for me: I like Kiiva but I don't like Scabby. I like Ben and Sunshine, dislike Mario.

[vesavius]

Well, Ben got his own gang and it is much more powerful than the 'feminists' or 'smokers' groups.

But these groups are a bit confusing for me: I like Kiiva but I don't like Scabby. I like Ben and Sunshine, dislike Mario.

yeah, I agree that it's harder to pick an overall team to like this year due to them both containing likable and nasty characters. I think thats why I don't like either and supporting the outsiders more.

the Nerds are definitly in a position to own this series though.

[MrWong]

I honestly don't know what you smoke half the time Arsenal.

I have never claimed to like Ben, in fact i have been calling him a slimey manipulator for a while.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140972&highlight=vesavius

I have only stated that his gameplay tonight has been pretty skilled and well done.

Thats called objectivity.

Sunshine on live feed just now said she's feeling unsure of her friendship with Ben.

She feels he's always insulting her.

So, not everyones dancing to his machiavellian tune. :hugesmile:

[vesavius]

Sunshine on live feed just now said she's feeling unsure of her friendship with Ben.

She feels he's always insulting her.

So, not everyones dancing to his machiavellian tune. :hugesmile:


well, tbh, she is kinda silly not too right now...

I have a feeling that in the next few weeks your either gonna be Ben's 'friend' or his enemy.

Sunshine isnt a Josie or Nathan, the Bitches have no room for her, and I don't think she can survive alone as a floater for very long.

[starry]

Apparently Ben suggested she had Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, she wasn't too happy with that.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Josie and Nathan are definitely not Team Bitch, Josie is friends with Govan but she doesn't get drawn into the slagging he does, and Nathan is a total floater as far as I can make out.

Yeah i totally agree with you Kitty on this.

[MrWong]

well, tbh, she is kinda silly not too right now...

I have a feeling that in the next few weeks your either gonna be Ben's 'friend' or his enemy.

Sunshine isnt a Josie or Nathan, the Bitches have no room for her, and I don't think she can survive alone as a floater for very long.

You're right, her card will be marked.

I respect the fact that she's not the pushover i expected her to be though.

What if the other group push her away too?

She could reach victim status and get quite far :shocked:

It worked a treat for Freddie.

On the bright side, Ben will look the villain he so clearly is, as he's supposed to be her friend.

[vesavius]

You're right, her card will be marked.

I respect the fact that she's not the pushover i expected her to be though.

What if the other group push her away too?

She could reach victim status and get quite far :shocked:

It worked a treat for Freddie.

On the bright side, Ben will look the villain he so clearly is, as he's supposed to be her friend.

You know that? I think your right, though Ben has turned on her several times even up to now and most still don't see him for the player that he is.

If she has half the inner strength that Freddy has she could be the team destroyer he was, no debate. Her performance so far in that area hasnt been amazing, but she could find it from somewhere. The one thing that kept Freddy in was his resiliance... I am not seeing that in her right now but you never know.


I might not be supporting Ben to win, or even liking him, but he is making this a game worth watching. :)

btw Wong, your a breath of fresh air.. someone who actually wants to talk about the game rather then just repeating the same 'she sucks!' or whatever rubbish. :)

[starry]

well, tbh, she is kinda silly not too right now...

I have a feeling that in the next few weeks your either gonna be Ben's 'friend' or his enemy.

Sunshine isnt a Josie or Nathan, the Bitches have no room for her, and I don't think she can survive alone as a floater for very long.

Govan and Rachael and maybe some others seem to be getting along with Sunshine. JJ and Dave may be on her side too as well as Mario. If Shabby goes the 3 bathroom bitches who are jealous of Sunshine's lively character may well be reduced to 2.

[vesavius]

Govan and Rachael and maybe some others seem to be getting along with Sunshine. JJ and Dave may be on her side too as well as Mario. If Shabby goes the 3 bathroom bitches who are jealous of Sunshine's lively character may well be reduced to 2.

Maybe, though I see Rachael moving into queen bee of that group once shabby leaves, bringing Govan in as her henchman, and we know how Rachael truly feels about Sunshine.

If Rachael then made a move on Nathan...

[MrWong]

Govan and Rachael and maybe some others seem to be getting along with Sunshine. JJ and Dave may be on her side too as well as Mario. If Shabby goes the 3 bathroom bitches who are jealous of Sunshine's lively character may well be reduced to 2.

Could Mario change the stereotype that blokes think with their knobs though?

It'd be great if he sided with Sunstroke but he's really attracted to Ben and might overlook any nastiness in the hopes of getting his end away.

[starry]

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7905/sun22.png

Sunsh (as Govan calls her) not too impressed with Ben nowadays.

[MrWong]

Maybe, though I see Rachael moving into queen bee of that group once shabby leaves, bringing Govan in as her henchman, and we know how Rachael truly feels about Sunshine.

If Rachael then made a move on Nathan...

That could definitely happen.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

[rusticgal]

Sometimes people are too quick calling people 'bitchy'.Ben has imo sussed everyone out.He has sussed out Govans ****-stirring ways and the three girls 'the witches' cos all they seem to do is whisper and talk amoungst themselves.He can spot genuine people and even though he likes JJ he has told him he disagreed with a couple of things he said and did to Rachel...also he has told JJ he likes her.
Ben has become respected in there...and I think he is brill...

[vesavius]

Sometimes people are too quick calling people 'bitchy'.Ben has imo sussed everyone out.He has sussed out Govans ****-stirring ways and the three girls 'the witches' cos all they seem to do is whisper and talk amoungst themselves.He can spot genuine people and even though he likes JJ he has told him he disagreed with a couple of things he said and did to Rachel...also he has told JJ he likes her.
Ben has become respected in there...and I think he is brill...

I asked you before if you had been watching LF at all Rustic, but you didnt answer. Have you?

If you havent, and you didnt see him rally his troops and move to recruit JJ, then you have to understand that this is a whole new Ben we are looking at. He has changed dramatically in the past 24 hours.

Maybe google the word 'Machiavellian' if you want an insight into Ben, if you don't know what it means ofc.

[chauncey]

I can't wait for Govan to realise Ben's been bitching about him.Ben will crumple like wet toilet paper and ask for forgiveness just like he did with Shabby.

The idea that Ben is 'fearsome' is::laugh3:

[vesavius]

I can't wait for Govan to realise Ben's been bitching about him.Ben will crumple like wet toilet paper and ask for forgiveness just like he did with Shabby.

The idea that Ben is 'fearsome' is::laugh3:

lol whats Govan gonna do? Rant at him?

If he does he will be the block nomination of the Nerds next Fri, and he will go.

Even if he is attacked, I agree Ben would appear to ask forgiveness and appear to be the most contrite and humble of men, but then thats what a Machiavellian player would do right?

At this time Ben is the most powerful HM in there, like him or not.

[chauncey]

lol whats Govan gonna do? Rant at him?

If he does he will be the block nomination of the Nerds next Fri, and he will go.

At this time Ben is the most powerful HM in there, like him or not.

That's just it.Like when Shabby was pissed at him for talking about 'editing',Govan doesn't get upset,scream and shout.He justs speaks slowly like the person is stupid:joker:,explains,cajoles,manipulates and it's done.

Dave hated Govan,yet still was crying that he wasn't his friend asking 'He's closed off to me,how can we get past it?':hugesmile:He has the aura of popularity which is the most important thing in the house,and Ben doesn't.

Ben would be destroyed by Govan if he openly came up against him,and it would end with Ben begging for forgiveness YET again,just as he did with Sunshine, and Shabby.

Whatever,this 'who's the strongest' will be settled when they finally do have a showdown.

But it's pretty obvious to anyone who's observed Ben mumbling,crawling,and backtracking and Govan firmly in the thick of things,with everyone he wants to associate with being drawn to him,
and the others he doesn't, left bitching out in the cold,or should I say BitchHut.:joker:

[vesavius]

That's just it.Like when Shabby was pissed at him for talking about 'editing',Govan doesn't get upset,scream and shout.He justs speaks slowly like the person is stupid:joker:,explains,cajoles,manipulates and it's done.

oh yeah, agree 100%. Govan would be fully allowed to do all this.

Ben would sit there like the humblest of lambs and apologise. He wouldnt argue with Govan face to face.

Dave hated Govan,yet still was crying that he wasn't his friend asking 'He's closed off to me,how can we get past it?':hugesmile:He has the aura of popularity which is the most important thing in the house,and Ben doesn't.

I disagree here though...

Ben has a solid group of allies. A lot has changed since Dave had a run in with Govan.

Govan WOULD win the face to face, agreed, but that just means he would be up.

In fact, sitting here right now as things are, I would put a lot of money on Govan being up next Friday anyhow. Ben has already marked him to his group as a major problem.

Whatever,this 'who's the strongest' will be settled when they finally do have a showdown.


For sure, and I think it will be great TV :)

[chauncey]

Yeah, at the moment JJ is definitly being recruited as the Nerd's attack dog. His temper, and the fact that he honestly aint too bright, makes him easy to manipulate and direct.

Ben isnt the type to do his own dirty work.

Haha,that did make me laugh

[vesavius]

Haha,that did make me laugh

I had a creative 2 mins lol

[jegmeister]

As a big Ben fan, I think it's too early to make the kind of judgements the OP is making. I think it could go either way - he could become very manipulative or he could get more relaxed and not worry.

However, look at it from his point of view, he's ahd Govan bitching about him behind his back ( and this was way before Ben's manipulations) and Shabby going beserk when Ben points out a few home truths and telling her troops to "avenge" her if she gets evicted.

He has 2 options. He can either fight back hard - this week get his attack in early - or risk being up and out next week.

If he is playing the game you're saying, I say good luck to him - he's playing it extremely well and is still remaining to be quite popular.

[vesavius]

As a big Ben fan, I think it's too early to make the kind of judgements the OP is making. I think it could go either way - he could become very manipulative or he could get more relaxed and not worry.

No, not really I think.

I am talking about the Ben I have seen, the one I an seeing now, and that's totally valid. Nothing I have said isnt based on behaviour I have watched, so this isnt about 'how it may go', it is about how I see it is.

True, I do project what I see as likely developments based on what I see as well, but he is what he is.

However, look at it from his point of view, he's ahd Govan bitching about him behind his back ( and this was way before Ben's manipulations) and Shabby going beserk when Ben points out a few home truths and telling her troops to "avenge" her if she gets evicted.

He has 2 options. He can either fight back hard - this week get his attack in early - or risk being up and out next week..

I don't buy the ' brave attacked guy fighting back' thing at all, I am suprised others do.

He came in with a plan and he has built his power block. So far so good for him.

If he is playing the game you're saying, I say good luck to him - he's playing it extremely well and is still remaining to be quite popular.

I am not criticising him for playing the game, quite the opposite, I have given him props for doing just that. I don't like him, but I am pretty objective about most things.

But it takes a certain type of person to play the game as well as he is doing at this point- a cold machiavellian manipulator who owes his loyalty to no one but those he can use in order to win.

This is Ben.

[Zizz6]

I don't buy the ' brave attacked guy fighting back' thing at all, I am suprised others do.

He came in with a plan and he has built his power block. So far so good for him.

Ben brave?

Ben even backstabbed his own friend Sunshine and gave her a vote for eviction. I think he did it only because he thought Sunshine was less popular than himself and if they've been both up she woul'd have been the one voted out.

[vesavius]

Ben brave?

Ben even backstabbed his own friend Sunshine and gave her a vote for eviction. I think he did it only because he thought Sunshine was less popular than himself and if they've been both up she woul'd have been the one voted out.

I agree, the signs have been there from very early on.

the flack I git fro attacking poor ben in the forst few days though was amazing, like some of the repsonses in this thread have even been.

I guess it just takes some people longer to see whats obvious :P