To all the Ben haters

[calyman]

Is that all the Ben haters have. Some ill concieved notions about spurious statements of loyalty, honesty, consistency and how he has failed is his "game plan".....and those only through revisionism of the first week's events.

Meanwhile blithely ignoring the group bullying that he is subject to, the betrayal of confidences by "friends" in the house who choose to completely misrepresent and take completely out of context whatever he says to them. No comments either about the emotional manipulation of the manky skanks with their sleezy faux lezzie affaire.

The worst that can honestly be said about Ben is that he is a bumbling, awkward, quite trusting and naive person, prepared to be loyal even to those who he believes are his friends but clearly aren't He is prepared to accept the point of view of the other and even to accept his unearned share of any blame when things like skanky scabby kicking off about being called an actress, or witnessing her nasty and evident gloating when his "friend" JJ was having a hard time, or for daring to do what 9 others did in the 1st week and nominate sunshine. Are those the things that make him deserve to be treated in such a malicious fashion by the hypocrites in the house?

He is the only one there who has consistently shown integrity, loyalty, support and encouragement to others. There is no apparent "game plan", just the evidence of a rather charming, well meaning but slightly bumbling individual. He won't of course be voted out this week. In fact, I think that like Freddie last year, he will remain in the house for many weeks yet. No doubt the Ben Haters will still be looking for any perceived criticisms against him. What is clear though, is just how pathetic and questionable are the reasons given for expressing their dislike of him.

[arsenalforever]

a lot of people got on his back for nomming sunshine who he said he was friends with

but i agree with eevrything else i don't think he go this week
i think he one of the more likeable hm,s left

[starry]

He bitches about his friends behind their backs, not just nominations. He can play whatever game he wants but it won't make him popular in the house, and it wouldn't have with the public either had everything been shown. Charm isn't enough for me i want a bit more substance. He just floats around like he thinks he can play everyone and it looks as conceited as his endless talk about himself and all the passive-aggressive insecurities he shows.

[JustSkipIt]

He make me think of Prince Myskin in Dostoevsky's The Idiot – both in looks and bumbling naivety

Hope things turn out better for Ben than they did for the Prince :sad:

[Kazanne]

Is that all the Ben haters have. Some ill concieved notions about spurious statements of loyalty, honesty, consistency and how he has failed is his "game plan".....and those only through revisionism of the first week's events.

Meanwhile blithely ignoring the group bullying that he is subject to, the betrayal of confidences by "friends" in the house who choose to completely misrepresent and take completely out of context whatever he says to them. No comments either about the emotional manipulation of the manky skanks with their sleezy faux lezzie affaire.

The worst that can honestly be said about Ben is that he is a bumbling, awkward, quite trusting and naive person, prepared to be loyal even to those who he believes are his friends but clearly aren't He is prepared to accept the point of view of the other and even to accept his unearned share of any blame when things like skanky scabby kicking off about being called an actress, or witnessing her nasty and evident gloating when his "friend" JJ was having a hard time, or for daring to do what 9 others did in the 1st week and nominate sunshine. Are those the things that make him deserve to be treated in such a malicious fashion by the hypocrites in the house?

He is the only one there who has consistently shown integrity, loyalty, support and encouragement to others. There is no apparent "game plan", just the evidence of a rather charming, well meaning but slightly bumbling individual. He won't of course be voted out this week. In fact, I think that like Freddie last year, he will remain in the house for many weeks yet. No doubt the Ben Haters will still be looking for any perceived criticisms against him. What is clear though, is just how pathetic and questionable are the reasons given for expressing their dislike of him.

Fantastic post,everything I think but put so much better:xyxwave::xyxwave:

[Kazanne]

He bitches about his friends behind their backs, not just nominations. He can play whatever game he wants but it won't make him popular in the house, and it wouldn't have with the public either had everything been shown. Charm isn't enough for me i want a bit more substance. He just floats around like he thinks he can play everyone and it looks as conceited as his endless talk about himself and all the passive-aggressive insecurities he shows.

How has Ben bitched? an opinion is not bitching,being nasty about someone is being bitchy,give us some examples of Ben saying something nasty about another housemate then I might take these sort of posts seriously

[WOMBAI]

Is that all the Ben haters have. Some ill concieved notions about spurious statements of loyalty, honesty, consistency and how he has failed is his "game plan".....and those only through revisionism of the first week's events.

Meanwhile blithely ignoring the group bullying that he is subject to, the betrayal of confidences by "friends" in the house who choose to completely misrepresent and take completely out of context whatever he says to them. No comments either about the emotional manipulation of the manky skanks with their sleezy faux lezzie affaire.

The worst that can honestly be said about Ben is that he is a bumbling, awkward, quite trusting and naive person, prepared to be loyal even to those who he believes are his friends but clearly aren't He is prepared to accept the point of view of the other and even to accept his unearned share of any blame when things like skanky scabby kicking off about being called an actress, or witnessing her nasty and evident gloating when his "friend" JJ was having a hard time, or for daring to do what 9 others did in the 1st week and nominate sunshine. Are those the things that make him deserve to be treated in such a malicious fashion by the hypocrites in the house?

He is the only one there who has consistently shown integrity, loyalty, support and encouragement to others. There is no apparent "game plan", just the evidence of a rather charming, well meaning but slightly bumbling individual. He won't of course be voted out this week. In fact, I think that like Freddie last year, he will remain in the house for many weeks yet. No doubt the Ben Haters will still be looking for any perceived criticisms against him. What is clear though, is just how pathetic and questionable are the reasons given for expressing their dislike of him.

Although I prefer him to some of the others - he is out to win as much as most of the rest of them! His comments to Mario, whilst apparently trying to console him, about how he hopes the public don't think HE is out to cause trouble - just showed how manipulative, and desperate, he is!

[chuff me dizzy]

He bitches about his friends behind their backs, not just nominations. He can play whatever game he wants but it won't make him popular in the house, and it wouldn't have with the public either had everything been shown. Charm isn't enough for me i want a bit more substance. He just floats around like he thinks he can play everyone and it looks as conceited as his endless talk about himself and all the passive-aggressive insecurities he shows.

in answer to your first line ,THEY ALL BITCH ,and ALL nominate ,

[chuff me dizzy]

How has Ben bitched? an opinion is not bitching,being nasty about someone is being bitchy,give us some examples of Ben saying something nasty about another housemate then I might take these sort of posts seriously

Me too,the bandwagon must be overflowing this morning with all the folk whos jumped on it

[fingers]

Calyman puts it perfectly, the only thing that I would add is that he apologises far too much especially to that childish turd JJ, aka Doubting Thomas!!

[chuff me dizzy]

Calyman puts it perfectly, the only thing that I would add is that he apologises far too much especially to that childish turd JJ, aka Doubting Thomas!!

Its because he has manners

[Robertocarlo]

Is that all the Ben haters have. Some ill concieved notions about spurious statements of loyalty, honesty, consistency and how he has failed is his "game plan".....and those only through revisionism of the first week's events.

Meanwhile blithely ignoring the group bullying that he is subject to, the betrayal of confidences by "friends" in the house who choose to completely misrepresent and take completely out of context whatever he says to them. No comments either about the emotional manipulation of the manky skanks with their sleezy faux lezzie affaire.

The worst that can honestly be said about Ben is that he is a bumbling, awkward, quite trusting and naive person, prepared to be loyal even to those who he believes are his friends but clearly aren't He is prepared to accept the point of view of the other and even to accept his unearned share of any blame when things like skanky scabby kicking off about being called an actress, or witnessing her nasty and evident gloating when his "friend" JJ was having a hard time, or for daring to do what 9 others did in the 1st week and nominate sunshine. Are those the things that make him deserve to be treated in such a malicious fashion by the hypocrites in the house?

He is the only one there who has consistently shown integrity, loyalty, support and encouragement to others. There is no apparent "game plan", just the evidence of a rather charming, well meaning but slightly bumbling individual. He won't of course be voted out this week. In fact, I think that like Freddie last year, he will remain in the house for many weeks yet. No doubt the Ben Haters will still be looking for any perceived criticisms against him. What is clear though, is just how pathetic and questionable are the reasons given for expressing their dislike of him.

Can I say that your assessment of the Ben situation and of Ben himself is spot on. As someone who knows Ben in the real world, have done for about 10 years, your comment that he is a "... rather charming, well meaning but slightly bumbling individual...." is also Spot on. He's the same in the real world as in the house. He's not fake, he's being 100% himself in there.

I too wish that the Ben haters would look more closely and critically at the antics of Scabby and her dullard new best friend and also those who readily stab Ben in the back just for a change.

[WOMBAI]

Calyman puts it perfectly, the only thing that I would add is that he apologises far too much especially to that childish turd JJ, aka Doubting Thomas!!

He is trying too hard to be popular - which in itself is off-putting! He is also very manipulative - telling others to stand up for him, using other people's problems to talk about himself and how he hopes the public don't 'misunderstand' him etc!

[chuff me dizzy]

IMO ,He is a nice bloke, maybe a little too trusting of the wrong people (Shabby springs to mind) i see no evil or malice in him

[calyman]

I'm glad that others recognise what I have witnessed in the housemates treatment of Ben. For those who express an active dislike of him, I've yet to see one substantive and obvious example of his bitchieness, manipulation, game plan etc. Sure there are loads of inadequate examples where invented "facts" and questionable accusations are levelled against him, just like scabby with her histrionics over being called an "actress", being caught out s******ing behind JJ's back, or his friend JJ repeatedly betraying the "friendship" they have by gossiping with others and taking out of context the harmless converstaions they have had. Which then get blown up to be the Crime of the decade against the blessed scabby.

As I said earlier, Ben is quite a naive person, he is only to willing to trust others, I don't know why he cannot wise up and be more circumspect in what bhe is saying. He must know there are some in the house who are clearly friends with him and others who never will be. JJ is even worse than scabby, because he maintains he is friends with Ben, yet constantly snipes at him or behind his back. At least scabby (apart from her nasty emotional manipulation) is clear aqbout her feelings towards Ben.

I would like Ben to be more aware, show more insight into those conversastions he is having with others and actually make his feelings clear and assert his right to have his own views and not constantly apologise for expressing his honest opinions.

It's interesting that my term s******ing "snig-gering" should be blocked out by the thought police

[Kazanne]

I'm glad that others recognise what I have witnessed in the housemates treatment of Ben. For those who express an active dislike of him, I've yet to see one substantive and obvious example of his bitchieness, manipulation, game plan etc. Sure there are loads of inadequate examples where invented "facts" and questionable accusations are levelled against him, just like scabby with her histrionics over being called an "actress", being caught out s******ing behind JJ's back, or his friend JJ repeatedly betraying the "friendship" they have by gossiping with others and taking out of context the harmless converstaions they have had. Which then get blown up to be the Crime of the decade against the blessed scabby.

As I said earlier, Ben is quite a naive person, he is only to willing to trust others, I don't know why he cannot wise up and be more circumspect in what bhe is saying. He must know there are some in the house who are clearly friends with him and others who never will be. JJ is even worse than scabby, because he maintains he is friends with Ben, yet constantly snipes at him or behind his back. At least scabby (apart from her nasty emotional manipulation) is clear aqbout her feelings towards Ben.

I would like Ben to be more aware, show more insight into those conversastions he is having with others and actually make his feelings clear and assert his right to have his own views and not constantly apologise for expressing his honest opinions.

It's interesting that my term s******ing "snig-gering" should be blocked out by the thought police

Well I'm still waiting for Starry to send me a list of all the nasty things he said !!:joker:

[BJ]

Is that all the Ben haters have. Some ill concieved notions about spurious statements of loyalty, honesty, consistency and how he has failed is his "game plan".....and those only through revisionism of the first week's events.

Meanwhile blithely ignoring the group bullying that he is subject to, the betrayal of confidences by "friends" in the house who choose to completely misrepresent and take completely out of context whatever he says to them. No comments either about the emotional manipulation of the manky skanks with their sleezy faux lezzie affaire.

The worst that can honestly be said about Ben is that he is a bumbling, awkward, quite trusting and naive person, prepared to be loyal even to those who he believes are his friends but clearly aren't He is prepared to accept the point of view of the other and even to accept his unearned share of any blame when things like skanky scabby kicking off about being called an actress, or witnessing her nasty and evident gloating when his "friend" JJ was having a hard time, or for daring to do what 9 others did in the 1st week and nominate sunshine. Are those the things that make him deserve to be treated in such a malicious fashion by the hypocrites in the house?

He is the only one there who has consistently shown integrity, loyalty, support and encouragement to others. There is no apparent "game plan", just the evidence of a rather charming, well meaning but slightly bumbling individual. He won't of course be voted out this week. In fact, I think that like Freddie last year, he will remain in the house for many weeks yet. No doubt the Ben Haters will still be looking for any perceived criticisms against him. What is clear though, is just how pathetic and questionable are the reasons given for expressing their dislike of him.

I totally agree. Well put! I've called him naive is several previous posts but think "bumbling" absolutely sums him up.

[fingers]

Calyman you put a "black" word in between s and ing!!! lol

[calyman]

Calyman you put a "black" word in between s and ing!!! lol

I know, that's definitely an example of political correctness gone mad

lol

[vesavius]

Is that all the Ben haters have. Some ill concieved notions about spurious statements of loyalty, honesty, consistency and how he has failed is his "game plan".....and those only through revisionism of the first week's events.

oh please.

Revisionism? I have been pointing out his behaviour based on events as they happen since the start.

Meanwhile blithely ignoring the group bullying that he is subject to

ahh 'Bullying', I knew this was coming. It always does when certain people's fav HMs are threatened, regardleess of the facts. It's just an emotive claim to make that dosent need to rely on the truth.... same old TiBB, same old tactics being used.

Such a pathetic interpretation of the events, used in a very disinegnious way.

the betrayal of confidences by "friends" in the house who choose to completely misrepresent and take completely out of context whatever he says to them.

Your actually really trying to flip his lies, back stabbing and betrayals on to the people that he has done them to?

lol amazing.

He is the only one there who has consistently shown integrity, loyalty, support ... /snip


Sorry, had to cut that stream of utter horsesh!t off, I was starting to feel ill.

At the best the OP is naive and a tragically bad judge of character.

[arsenalforever]

don't ne a bad loser now:joker:

[fingers]

That diatribe would have made more sense without the spelling errors!

[calyman]

oh please.

Revisionism? I have been pointing out his behaviour based on events as they happen since the start.



ahh 'Bullying', I knew this was coming. It always does when certain people's fav HMs are threatened, regardleess of the facts. It's just an emotive claim to make that dosent need to rely on the truth.... same old TiBB, same old tactics being used.

Such a pathetic interpretation of the events, used in a very disinegnious way.



Your actually really trying to flip his lies, back stabbing and betrayals on to the people that he has done them to?

lol amazing.



Sorry, had to cut that stream of utter horsesh!t off, I was starting to feel ill.

At the best the OP is naive and a tragically bad judge of character.

Here's a challenge for you. State exactly what Ben has been guilty of doing and why it was so "heinous" but please don't waste your and my time by rehashing the tiresome scabby rants etc. which have no substance to them other than being fuelled by loathing and intolerance against him. Some of which I suggest you also have.

In the absence of any credible evidence for your claims, perhaps it would be better for you to at least have an open mind and not jump on the flimsiest excuses of reasons why you dislike him.

[vesavius]

Here's a challenge for you. State exactly what Ben has been guilty of doing and why it was so "heinous" but please don't waste your and my time by rehashing the tiresome scabby rants etc. which have no substance to them other than being fuelled by loathing and intolerance against him. Some of which I suggest you also have.

In the absence of any credible evidence for your claims, perhaps it would be better for you to at least have an open mind and not jump on the flimsiest excuses of reasons why you dislike him.

lol look at you attempting to remove a very valid event in which Ben showed his true colours before we start... classic argument tactics that try to counter a well known and very true point before they are made and you are forced to acknowledge them.

but ok, aside the fact that he was caught out bitching about Shabby in an attempt to alienate JJ further from her group and bring him into his....

Am I allowed to talk about his continous reassurance to Sunshine in week 1 that he was her friend, all the while repeatedly betraying her behind her back, even to the point of nomming her? As a further example of his betraying and backstabbing macavelian mindset I mean?

Look, even his allies are saying what he did last night was wrong... why would you think it wasnt?

His betrayel of SS has lost him now the trust of both JJ and Dave.

[calyman]

lol look at you attempting to remove a very valid event in which Ben showed his true colours before we start... classic argument tactics that try to counter a well known and very true point before they are made and you are forced to acknowledge them.

but ok, aside the fact that he was caught out bitching about Shabby in an attempt to alienate JJ further from her group and bring him into his....

Am I allowed to talk about his continous reassurance to Sunshine in week 1 that he was her friend, all the while repeatedly betraying her behind her back, even to the point of nomming her? As a further example of his betraying and backstabbing macavelian mindset I mean?

Look, even his allies are saying what he did last night was wrong... why would you think it wasnt?

His betrayel of SS has lost him now the trust of both JJ and Dave.
As I suspected then, nothing of substance has been added, apart from rehashing the same accusations which just don't measure up. The fact is, even with revisionism of the 1st weeks events, the most that that can be levelled against him is that he nominated sunshine, along with 9 other housemates doing the same. he expressed his doubt about her motives, then chose to nominate her. he then chose to see something in her which he liked and afterwards didn't nominate her in the 2nd week. The worst accusation that can be levelled against him is naivety in this respect.

As to his "bitching about Shabby", did you not watch what i watched? he was being unfairly harrassed by JJ and said he couldn't understandf why his "friend2 was doing that to him, giving the example of what he witnessed scabby doing behind JJ's back. His "friend" JJ then chose to inflate this out of all proportion and had no regard for the damage this would cause. The only saving grace for JJ was the obvious guilt and shame he felt for this betrayal. Again in real terms your "evidence2 remains spurious. You have just repeated the same old nonsense that is being played to death.

If there really was substance to your dislike of his alleged bitchiness, backstabbing, manipulation or any other spurious claims against him, you would give them, even without the ridiculous accusations so far made against him. You have failed to defend your points by substantive evidence, so once again, I suggest you have more of an open mind regarding Ben.

[vesavius]

As I suspected then, nothing of substance has been added, apart from rehashing the same accusations which just don't measure up....

This is pointless.

You have already taken all the valid evidence to counter what you are saying and thrown it away because it dosent suit your point...
It's just a tactic to shut the other PoV down before they get the chance to speak. If I say why I think he is what he is, you just say 'same old accusations' and repeat your entrenched position.

How else am I meant to represent his true nature if I don't use old situations to do so?

[lol]

I like Ben unlike everyone else, he's a good housemate and is polite.

[calyman]

[QUOTE=calyman;3394636]As I suspected then, nothing of substance has been added, apart from rehashing the same accusations which just don't measure up....QUOTE]

This is pointless.

You have already taken all the valid evidence to counter what you are saying and thrown it away because it dosent suit your point...
It's just a tactic to shut the other PoV down before they get the chance to speak. If I say why I think he is what he is, you just say 'same old accusations' and repeat your entrenched position.

How else am I meant to represent his true nature if I don't use old situations to do so?

It's quite easy really, if you are able to prove your points, then use examples that are valid. Even if you thought I was being rigid in my response to your so far invalid argument, then you would easily be able to give other examples of his backstabbing, manipultations etc.

For instance I think that scabby is a shallow vain, negative selfish and bullying person because of the way she interacts with others. One example is the so called offense at being called an actress by Ben. Is this really the worst thing that someone has called her? If so, then she is very thin skinned. She harrased Ben about this, but would not let him explain himself, with her constant shouting and abusive comments interupting him. Similarly, when she learned that ben had noted her glee and hand rubbing, again, most people would have shrugged it off and though very little of it. She again inflates the situation, rants and screams at him, is verbally abusive towards him and had no intention of actually listening to him when he was trying to explain the context in which he said his comment. A more reasonable response would be, to tell the person how "upset" you were, then listen to what they have to say. She is thertefore the nasty little bully that |I accuse her of being and my evidence supports this.

If you can find similar to say about Ben that can be supported by acknowledged and deliberate wrongdoing on Ben's part then please provide it, not the claims made against him by others, which as I keep saying have no real substance.
In the absence of providing this, then I agree; it is pointless, so at least keep an open mind towards his motives.

[vesavius]

It's quite easy really, if you are able to prove your points, then use examples that are valid. Even if you thought I was being rigid in my response to your so far invalid argument, then you would easily be able to give other examples of his backstabbing, manipultations etc.

and who judges they are valid? you?

thats is exactly my point... you basically claim every point made against your opinion is invalid and then just repeat the same old thing.

Like I say, it's just an old tactic for shutting down the opposing Pov before you have to address it. You can't debate against someone who's only real stance is 'everything you say isnt valid because it has been said before'.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I still like him more than others, but his constant sorry is getting on my nerve.

[stoney]

oh please.

Revisionism? I have been pointing out his behaviour based on events as they happen since the start.
ahh 'Bullying', I knew this was coming. It always does when certain people's fav HMs are threatened, regardleess of the facts. It's just an emotive claim to make that dosent need to rely on the truth.... same old TiBB, same old tactics being used.

Such a pathetic interpretation of the events, used in a very disinegnious way.


lol amazing.

Your actually really trying to flip his lies, back stabbing and betrayals on to the people that he has done them to?


Sorry, had to cut that stream of utter horsesh!t off, I was starting to feel ill.

At the best the OP is naive and a tragically bad judge of character.

if you have been pointing out his "behaviour based on events" then can you please direct us to some of these cos I aint seen it

Is bullying not when one group of people are regularly picking on one person not letting them get there point across and belittling them at every turn, as some do to ben at every opportunity while rallying their troops against him at every chance they get:conf: Are you claiming this does not happen in the house :conf: or do you just not see that as bullying:conf:

"Your actually really trying to flip his lies, back stabbing and betrayals on to the people that he has done them to?"
again the OP asks for actual incidents.
So what LIES are you referring to?
What Backstabbing has he actually done and to who?
What Betrayals has he done?


The main reason I ask is cos i simply dont see the conversations the way you seem to and see you as the one who is niave with a tragically bad judge of character:shocked:

[GypsyGoth]

manky skanks with their sleezy faux lezzie affaire...


How the hell are they "manky skanks," and why is one girl's crush on another a "sleezy faux lezzie affaire"?

[vesavius]

The main reason I ask is cos i simply dont see the conversations the way you seem to and see you as the one who is niave with a tragically bad judge of character:shocked:

Thats fine, you can see me how you wish, it's only a forum.

There is a very good reason that even Ben's closest friends in the house, aside from Mario, now don't trust him though. JJ, SS, and even Dave have his number now.

The place in which Ben finds himself is entirely self created... why does he deserve your support when he can't even behave in a way that keeps theirs?

[stoney]

Thats fine, you can see me how you wish, it's only a forum.

There is a very good reason that even Ben's closest friends in the house, aside from Mario, now don't trust him though.

The place in which Ben finds himself is entirely self created.

but you are the one claiming to have all the facts but simply wont share with the class:spin:

give us 1 example of a lie and where he projected this lie onto someone else as you claimed:conf:

[vesavius]

but you are the one claiming to have all the facts but simply wont share with the class:spin:

give us 1 example of a lie and where he projected this lie onto someone else as you claimed:conf:

the thing is I have, repeatedly... just search on it.

I just don't see why I have to continously retype it for every person that enters the conversation late.



Honestly, answer me this... why do you think JJ, SS, and Dave are now saying they don't trust Ben?

[JustSkipIt]

....Am I allowed to talk about his continous reassurance to Sunshine in week 1 that he was her friend, all the while repeatedly betraying her behind her back, even to the point of nomming her?...

If you were sharing a house with someone you hardly knew, and they started having a go at you "Blah Blah, verrucas, whine, whine, blub, blub, and I thought you were my friend..."
How would you respond?
The automatic reply for anyone with any kind of compassion or, indeed, social etiquette would be "I AM your friend". Did you expect him to say "I'm not your friend, whatever gave you that idea?"
Besides, have you ever not liked someone on first impressions, then found you got on with them quite well over time? The only error Ben made was to open his big mouth to Scabby and then stick his foot in it.

And I wish he would grow a backbone

[stoney]

"why does he deserve your support when he can't even behave in a way that keeps theirs? "

cos we are not in the BB house COMPETING for a win.
They are playing their own gameplan to win.
Has either SS or JJ been a decent friend to Ben the last week or so. Nope they haev moved away from him to be closer to the ones they didnt like last week, just like Ife has moved away from shabby and Caoimhe

[vesavius]

If you were sharing a house with someone you hardly knew, and they started having a go at you "Blah Blah, verrucas, whine, whine, blub, blub, and I thought you were my friend..." The automatic reply for anyone with any kind of compassion or, indeed, social etiquette would be "I AM your friend"... How would you respond?

I don't know.. honestly?

maybe you consider it 'social etiquette' to say one thing to a persons face and another behind their back, to pretend to be someones friend while you slag them off, but I don't.

I guess thats the difference.

[vesavius]

"why does he deserve your support when he can't even behave in a way that keeps theirs? "

cos we are not in the BB house COMPETING for a win.


There are different ways to compete, he choose a way that involved betrayel and backstabbing.

This really comes across as an attempted validation of his behaviour rather then arguing to deny it, which is a change of tone for this thread I must say.

[chuff me dizzy]

I like Ben unlike everyone else, he's a good housemate and is polite.

Me too ,but some folk think vile manners and sheer ignorance is funny ,I dont ,it says more about the way they were raised than it does me

[vesavius]

Me too ,but some folk think vile manners and sheer ignorance is funny ,I dont ,it says more about the way they were raised than it does me

I don't think those things Chuff... I like HMs that are funny, honest, and resiliant.

Ben only really unintentionally ticks one of those things partly for me (funny), and certainly not the other two.

[stoney]

the think is I have, repeatedly... just search on it.

I just don't see why I have to continously retype it for every person that enters the conversation late.



Honestly, answer me this... why do you think JJ, SS, and Dave are now saying they don't trust Ben?

Ves, you are the one that said you had the facts but are reluctant to share them.
i havent seen any on this thread tho unless you are talking about the sunshine nomination where i have no problem with him for nominatiing a very annoying person too early when nearly everyone else did ( like Giovan who claimed to be her friend that week too) and then making an effort to be her friend to giver her some comfort.
Remember they had not been in the house long and factions were not really drawn up at that time. SS and the way shabby and co were treating her actually brought ben, mario, SS, JJ and dave together a bitty,imo, and they tried to protect her a little. Or that is what i saw on my telly

HONESTLY.......JJ is saying that he doesn't trust Ben, if he is(didnt watch any live lasyt night cos I got in later and watched the england game and they were all in bed by the time I was finished) because team Shabby are far better manipulators than niave Ben is and JJ, who team shabby all hated last week for his treatment of poor rachael, does not have a clue( could have stopped there really) who to trust.
SS has been off with ben for a week or so now. She seems to alienate any friends she has and has had a go at JJ, Ben and Mario for very trivial things while ignoring the nastiness from shabby and co.
Dont know what is Dave's prob is, altho he is being iscolated a little more due to Ben's closeness with mario imo

Maybe I'm just being biased cos i like Ben's honesty, loyalty and niavety but the 3 people who were friends now giving him a hard time must have a very poor memory of what has actually been happening in the house and who has been bitchin, manipulating and lieing the most in the house if they are suddenly going to be bestest buddies with Shabby and co who are just after troops to stay in if they have suddenly turned on ben over something

Hope that is honest and full enough for you:blush:

[Beastie]

a lot of people got on his back for nomming sunshine who he said he was friends with

but i agree with eevrything else i don't think he go this week
i think he one of the more likeable hm,s left

Yeah him nominating Sunshine was a mistake but I do really like Ben. He is one of my favourite housemates and I hope he stays on Friday. I do have a bad feeling Govan could just escape the eviction :(

[stoney]

There are different ways to compete, he choose a way that involved betrayel and backstabbing.

This really comes across as an attempted validation of his behaviour rather then arguing to deny it, which is a change of tone for this thread I must say.

again there is your accusation of betrayal and backstabbing. can you please elaborate a little on this so called backstabbing and betrayal for me cos i must have missed it:conf:

[vesavius]

again there is your accusation of betrayal and backstabbing. can you please elaborate a little on this so called backstabbing and betrayal for me cos i must have missed it:conf:

search is your friend.

Honestly no offense intended, but it gets tiresome to have to continously retype the same points all the time for people who havent been around.

Can I also ask if you watch LF?

[vesavius]

Ves, you are the one that said you had the facts but are reluctant to share them.

I am not reluctant, but as I keep saying I already have and they are out there.

Just do a search.


HONESTLY.......JJ is saying that he doesn't trust Ben, if he is(didnt watch any live lasyt night cos I got in later and watched the england game and they were all in bed by the time I was finished) because team Shabby are far better manipulators than niave Ben is and JJ, who team shabby all hated last week for his treatment of poor rachael, does not have a clue( could have stopped there really) who to trust.

I wish you had seen it last night, it showed a lot that would have changed your mind (maybe)

JJ only said he didnt trust Ben based 100% on his betrayel of SS, the same reason for Dave's dissaproval


Maybe I'm just being biased cos i like Ben's honesty, loyalty and niavety but the 3 people who were friends now giving him a hard time must have a very poor memory of what has actually been happening in the house and who has been bitchin, manipulating and lieing the most in the house if they are suddenly going to be bestest buddies with Shabby and co who are just after troops to stay in if they have suddenly turned on ben over something

Hope that is honest and full enough for you:blush:

yeah it was, and thanks for the decent reply. I think your fundamentally wrong about Ben, but I like people that can talk about things without getting drama.

[stoney]

some of the time. I gotta work and there is a world cup on too

ok if you cant be botherred to back up your claims thats up to you. I had an open mind and am happy to be educated on who i right or wrong.

Can I ask who you suport and like in the house or is it only josie who altho i like i have went off her over her lies in nominating dave?

[stoney]

As i keep saying i never saw it last night so what betrayel of SS are you going on about?

is it the noms thing? If so how do they know and did JJ nominate SS that week too?

PS as an old luddite what is search *blushes*

[vesavius]

some of the time. I gotta work and there is a world cup on too

ok if you cant be botherred to back up your claims thats up to you. I had an open mind and am happy to be educated on who i right or wrong.

Can I ask who you suport and like in the house or is it only josie who altho i like i have went off her over her lies in nominating dave?

My claims are already backed up... repeatedly. But if you can't be bothered to search thats your call.

who do I like? Different people for different reasons... most I like because they add value to the house at any given time, but I like good funny people to win.

Who do I think adds value to the house apart from Josie? JJ, Govan, Shabby, even Ife now in her own way... If you look at other threads you will even see that say I dislike Ben but would rather Dave to go Fri for the benefit of the house. I am pretty objective about who I want to watch at any given time tbh.

[Stu]

I like Ben unlike everyone else, he's a good housemate and is polite.
Unlike everyone else? He is one of the most popular housemates in it ATM. It's not as if it's a unique viewpoint to cherish.

[stoney]

ves,

I'm old and not too good with comps whats this "search" your on about?

I hope Govan goes cos he, like shabby, bring nothing to the house I wanna see and while they are wasting the HL progs we get less of a chance to see any fun from the other decent inmates

[stoney]

one last time tho befor eI gotta go to work.........what is this betrayal you are going on about that has cost him the support of dave, SS and JJ and how do they know of this "betrayal" ?

[vesavius]

ves,

I'm old and not too good with comps whats this "search" your on about?

I hope Govan goes cos he, like shabby, bring nothing to the house I wanna see and while they are wasting the HL progs we get less of a chance to see any fun from the other decent inmates

I'm sorry, I posted the other reply before I saw you ask that.

If you look at the right of the forum you will see a search button that allows you to make keyword searches of the topics.

If have no luck with that you should be able to go 1 or 2 pages back and see threads about the same thing, mostly from lats night as it happened.

[Kazanne]

the thing is I have, repeatedly... just search on it.

I just don't see why I have to continously retype it for every person that enters the conversation late.



Honestly, answer me this... why do you think JJ, SS, and Dave are now saying they don't trust Ben?

PMSL,classic,why should we search?IF Ben has been as bad as you say ,it would be easy for you to back up your claim.and if you search for anything Ben has said nasty you will be serching a very long time,that reminds me has Starry got back with her evidence yet?

[vesavius]

one last time tho befor eI gotta go to work.........what is this betrayal you are going on about that has cost him the support of dave, SS and JJ and how do they know of this "betrayal" ?

oh ok lol

Ben continously led SS to believe he was her friend in week 1, and then nommed her.

Ben told Shabby about it last night in an effort to curry favour with her, and Shabby told everyone.

Ben's group, except Mario, voiced their distrust and dissaproval of his two facedness.

is the very short version :P

[vesavius]

PMSL,classic,why should we search?IF Ben has been as bad as you say ,it would be easy for you to back up your claim.and if you search for anything Ben has said nasty you will be serching a very long time,that reminds me has Starry got back with her evidence yet?

why should I repeat myself because you can't be arsed to do your own leg work in an effort to understand the situation?

Stoney I get, she obviously didnt know about the function, but c'mon... do your own work. All you have to do is read some threads dating from last night fgs.

[stoney]

oh ok lol

Ben continously led SS to believe he was her friend in week 1, and then nommed her.

Ben told Shabby about it last night in an effort to curry favour with her, and Shabby told everyone.

Ben's group, except Mario, voiced their distrust and dissaproval of his two facedness.

is the very short version :P

How long had they been in before nominating and did Ben not make it clear he was unhappy at nominating his friend but that she was annoying everyone so much that there was little choice?
Was ben that friendly with SS before noms or did they get closer after noms when the rest were shunning her so much, cos that's the way i remember it?

Do you have as much hate for shabby for betraying a person or does it not matter cos its ben:conf:

It looks , to me , that the producers are manipulating us all again as they are the inmates with the editing, even of the live stuff. Shabby can talk in code about noms every week and gets away with it. She can break rulkes and receive no punishment. She can be aggressive throwing tables around just missing an inmate and get no punishment. In fact she got a reward of Ben thinking she was onside with him and Caoimhe disliking ben even more for it. Why didnt they show ben and the rest how devious SHE wa sbeing? . She gets a "task to save" that just so happens to be a scooter task and she even said herself on live feed that she regularly used one up till a wee while ago (that was missed on HL) and gets saved. And then BB's get everyone against Ben her arch rival who thought that ACTRESS Shabby was actually being genuine with huim.

I'm away to make a call to evict Govan again for that:spin:

[Kazanne]

why should I repeat myself because you can't be arsed to do your own leg work in an effort to understand the situation?

Stoney I get, she obviously didnt know about the function, but c'mon... do your own work. All you have to do is read some threads dating from last night fgs.

Nah,sorry that's a cop out,you cannot actually post anything bad he has said off your head?,LOL the situation as i see it is that Ben is the scapegoat for them,all he is guilty of is trusting people and confiding in them,do you not think it far worse how some of the housemates have treated him? he is allowed to nom who he wants as most of the others nommed her anyway,she was annoying that week,He was getting to know her and maybe thought she would be a friend and as it turns out he did not nom her this week,she was a pain that first week and she was not so friendly towards him,so good on the bloke ,nominate those who annoy you the most and that is what he has done.The only thing Ben did wrong was to think of her or anyone as a friend after just one week.Ben is a people pleaser but some people you just cannot please.

[vesavius]

Nah,sorry that's a cop out,you cannot actually post anything bad he has said off your head?

ofc I can, but I'm not your dad.. go do your own leg work.

It's not my job to keep you up to date with the contents of posted threads.

[Kazanne]

ofc I can, but I'm not your dad.. go do your own leg work.

It's not my job to keep you up to date with the contents of posted threads.

Gotcha !!!:joker:

[vesavius]

Gotcha !!!:joker:

hrm?

[InOne]

Ben is very maipulative. He knows what he is doing. He is 30 for god sake.

[fingers]

Ben is way too naive for his own good, he thinks JJ and Dave are "friends" but they repeatedly stab him in the back and snipe at him AND he still thinks of them as friends!

[Chels]

Idk about the OP cos I can't be arsed to read it but last night once it was the argument was finished he kept bringing it back up and that's why I'm going off him, he tries to redeem himself all the time even though it's too late and he should have thought about his actions before he did them. I felt sorry for him when they all attacked him though but I thought Nathan well and truly told him what a lot of us were thinking.

[chuff me dizzy]

Ben is way too naive for his own good, he thinks JJ and Dave are "friends" but they repeatedly stab him in the back and snipe at him AND he still thinks of them as friends!

I agree .hes naive and not nasty

[fingers]

BTW how come HE was the only one to take the Flak for this??

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/2010/Jun/23/housemates-on-emergency-rations/play.c4

[fingers]

BTW how come HE was the only one to take the Flak for this??

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/2010/Jun/23/housemates-on-emergency-rations/play.c4

[fingers]

Where has the "delete" command gone?

[bansheewails]

Apparently, going by the conversation on LF with Sunshine and Ben last night, when BB announced that the shopping budget was gone because Shabby and Govan used code to nominate Mario for the swap task, Shabby and Govan said they were unaware that it counted as nominations. Nearly all the other housemates agreed that they too didn't know that it counted as nominations and comisserated with Shabby and Govan.

Some how it came to JJ's and sunshines attention (don;t know how I missed that bit) that ben had nominated Sunshine in week one. Everyone of the Group (APART FROM mARIO) then had a go at Ben for nominating a friend. The actual reason for the losing the shopping budget had no bearing on the arguement as far as I could make out.

Hope that helps! :D

[calyman]

and who judges they are valid? you?

thats is exactly my point... you basically claim every point made against your opinion is invalid and then just repeat the same old thing.

Like I say, it's just an old tactic for shutting down the opposing Pov before you have to address it. You can't debate against someone who's only real stance is 'everything you say isnt valid because it has been said before'.
I've repeatedly asked you to give valid examples, which stand on their own accord, like mine did. You've repeatedly failed to do so. I also agree, you are just repeating the same old claims without introducing any real examples.

[GypsyGoth]

How the hell are they "manky skanks," and why is one girl's crush on another a "sleezy faux lezzie affaire"?

^
Are you dodging the question calyman?

[vesavius]

I've repeatedly asked you to give valid examples, which stand on their own accord, like mine did. You've repeatedly failed to do so. I also agree, you are just repeating the same old claims without introducing any real examples.

Just go and re read what I have typed.. reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

When you show some understanding, even if not agreement, of what I am saying we can continue.

[calyman]

^
Are you dodging the question calyman?
Why would you think I would "dodge" the question. To answer it, I don't think this is some "girlish crush" upon anaother. This is sexual predation which has a desperate air about it, the object of her affections may be abusing this predation by leading the skank on but is nevertheless emotionally unequiped to deal with the turmoil this is causing the skank.

It is not healthy, wholesome or in any way natural, unlike the innocent bromance going on between Mario and Ben.

I don't like scabby, I am appalled by her abuse and selfish self regarding "right" to fly into emotional and abusive histrionics at the drop of a hat. She has no social skills, save that of an abuser and manipulator.

I hope that answers your query?

[calyman]

Just go and re read what I have typed.. reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

When you show some understanding, even if not agreement, of what I am saying we can continue.
There's the rub. I have re3ad your many repeated posts all saying the same thing, precisely nothing! You have been repeatedly asked by myself and many others to show concrete examples of your claims. You have consistently been unavle to do so. a new diversion you are employing is to say you have made many and various posts giving this evidence and suggesting people "search " for it. In short, you have evaded posting any such evidence, claiming that you do not want to repeatedly post (the now acknowledged) unsubstantive evidence. all you have to do is post something new, yet you are more concerned with wasting your and others time by saying you refuse to do so. If you do indeed have such time to waste then I (yawn) again ask you to post substantive evidence which baqcks up your repeated claims which are becoming very tiresome to constantly read.

[vesavius]

There's the rub. I have re3ad your many repeated posts all saying the same thing, precisely nothing!

then you obviously have not understood.

I havent read the rest of your post here, I'm sorry.

[Sabrewulf238]

I can kinda get somewhat why Ben nominated Sunshine at the time.....I personally wouldn't have nominated her over what happened but he must have seen it as more annoying.

At the very least we can plainly see there was a reason for his nomination of her, it's not like he just woke up on nominations day and decided he was going to stab sunshine in the back.

[calyman]

then you obviously have not understood.

I havent read the rest of your post here, I'm sorry.

Fortunately, I do understand, you are just dissembling, with no intention to post any credible evidence to back up your claims. If you had done so, then I could at least respect your integrity and passion to "prove" your claims.

Unfortunately, that's not possible, is it?

[GypsyGoth]

Why would you think I would "dodge" the question. To answer it, I don't think this is some "girlish crush" upon anaother. This is sexual predation which has a desperate air about it, the object of her affections may be abusing this predation by leading the skank on but is nevertheless emotionally unequiped to deal with the turmoil this is causing the skank.

It is not healthy, wholesome or in any way natural, unlike the innocent bromance going on between Mario and Ben.

I don't like scabby, I am appalled by her abuse and selfish self regarding "right" to fly into emotional and abusive histrionics at the drop of a hat. She has no social skills, save that of an abuser and manipulator.

I hope that answers your query?

Nope, it doesn't explain part of it, why you are calling her a "skank"?

Also her name is Shabby, but then again some people find six letter names very difficult.

And I think you could do with some of the charm you claim Ben has, you are coming across as a bigot.

[vesavius]

it's not like he just woke up on nominations day and decided he was going to stab sunshine in the back.

No, but this is what he did.

[vesavius]

Fortunately, I do... /snip

still plainly havent. come back when you have.

[calyman]

Nope, it doesn't explain part of it, why you are calling her a "skank"?

Also her name is Shabby, but then again some people find six letter names very difficult.

And I think you could do with some of the charm you claim Ben has, you are coming across as a bigot.
I see you still choose to engage in petty and patronising comments, we both know what I'm talking about eh?

I had already made it clear I don't like scabby, not because she is a lesbian (bigotry) but because she is an abusive, intolerant and manipulative bully (contempt) Do you see the difference?

[calyman]

still plainly havent. come back when you have.

You obviously want to have the last word in this dialogue, so I accept you are unable to back up your claims......and I gift you the benefit of the "last word" Cheerio

[vesavius]

You obviously want to have the last word in this dialogue, so I accept you are unable to back up your claims......and I gift you the benefit of the "last word" Cheerio

ok, thanks!

Maybe use the time to reread and comprehend what was said. It'll maybe help you sleep :)

[BJ]

a lot of people got on his back for nomming sunshine who he said he was friends with

but i agree with eevrything else i don't think he go this week
i think he one of the more likeable hm,s left

I agree and would like to add - Ben did,if I remember rightly, mention to Sunshine in a convo shortly after the first nomination, that he had made a mistake and voted for someone he shouldn't have. He told her he'd gone back to BB and asked to be able to change that vote but wasn't allowed to.

I feel he handled last night's situation wrongly. Instead of trying to deny that he had a strong friendship with Sunshine from the beginning he should have been totally up front, said he regretted what he'd done and reminded Sunshine of that conversation, although at the time she was not aware that it was her Ben was talking about.

[Cristina]

I love it how only 4 people did NOT vote for Sunshine in the first week. Yet Ben is the one who is being singled out to deflect attention from their own deeds :) (eg, JJ attacking him to deflect attention from the fact that he was discussing others behind their backs)
Ben should have more of a spine and stop explaining himself.

[GypsyGoth]

I see you still choose to engage in petty and patronising comments, we both know what I'm talking about eh?

Nope, she has a name that even your hero Ben uses, it is Shabby.


I had already made it clear I don't like scabby, not because she is a lesbian (bigotry) but because she is an abusive, intolerant and manipulative bully (contempt) Do you see the difference?

Why call her a "skank"? And later imply she is some kind of predator? This seems like you have an issue with her sexuality, as what the heck does it have to do with her being abusive, intolerant or a manipulative bully?

[vesavius]

I love it how only 4 people did NOT vote for Sunshine in the first week. Yet Ben is the one who is being singled out to deflect attention from their own deeds :) (eg, JJ attacking him to deflect attention from the fact that he was discussing others behind their backs)
Ben should have more of a spine and stop explaining himself.

This has been answered.

Ben is 'singled out' because he nommed a professed friend and member of his own clique.

This, by some at least, is considered to be extremely low and makes him untrustworthy in their eyes.

''I'm gong to nominate someone whom I consider a close friend of mine''.

[calyman]

Nope, she has a name that even your hero Ben uses, it is Shabby.



Why call her a "skank"? And later imply she is some kind of predator? This seems like you have an issue with her sexuality, as what the heck does it have to do with her being abusive, intolerant or a manipulative bully?

Calling her a skank is a mark of my dislike of her, calling her a sexual predator has no relevance to her sexuality. Predators come in all shapes and sizes, this one comes in a skanky shape.

With regard to her abuse, intolerance and manipulation, again this has no relevance to her sexuality, just to her warped personality.

[GypsyGoth]

Calling her a skank is a mark of my dislike of her, calling her a sexual predator has no relevance to her sexuality. Predators come in all shapes and sizes, this one comes in a skanky shape.

With regard to her abuse, intolerance and manipulation, again this has no relevance to her sexuality, just to her warped personality.

Well no matter what your excuses, the names you call her reveal what type of person you are. You're obviously articulate enough to chose ones that are more appropriate.

[calyman]

Well no matter what your excuses, the names you call her reveal what type of person you are. You're obviously articulate enough to chose ones that are more appropriate.

From the online dictionary:
skanky (skaŋ′kē)

adjective

Slang sleazy, offensive, disreputable, etc. in appearance or character

I think that this is actually a well chosen description of scabby, don't you?

[GypsyGoth]

From the online dictionary:
skanky (skaŋ′kē)

adjective

Slang sleazy, offensive, disreputable, etc. in appearance or character

I think that this is actually a well chosen description of scabby, don't you?

What dictionary is your selective quote from?

Are you trying to seem less bigoted in my eyes?

And this is from the online dictionary I use:
"One who is disgustingly foul or filthy and often considered sexually promiscuous. Used especially of a woman or girl."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skank

[fingers]

From the online dictionary:
skanky (skaŋ′kē)

adjective

Slang sleazy, offensive, disreputable, etc. in appearance or character

I think that this is actually a well chosen description of scabby, don't you?

Perfectly apt.:joker:

even though the Gypsy's is nearer the mark!

[calyman]

What dictionary is your selective quote from?

Are you trying to seem less bigoted in my eyes?

And this is from the online dictionary I use:
"One who is disgustingly foul or filthy and often considered sexually promiscuous. Used especially of a woman or girl."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skank
Actualy your chosen definition refers to Skank, whereas mine refers to skanky. Think about the difference inherent in either use of those words. As an example, would you recognise the difference in use between "bitch" and "bitchy"? Bitch would usually be used to refer to a woman, whereas bitchy can usually be applied to either sex. Can you appreciate the difference inherent in either word. The same is true of your chosen word "skank" and the word I used which is "skanky"

Here is the link you asked for. I hope it helps.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/skanky

[calyman]

Perfectly apt.:joker:

even though the Gypsy's is nearer the mark!

You may very well say so but I couldn't possibly comment! The Gypsy would report me to the thought police

[GypsyGoth]

Actualy your chosen definition refers to Skank, whereas mine refers to skanky. Think about the difference inherent in either use of those words. As an example, would you recognise the difference in use between "bitch" and "bitchy"? Bitch would usually be used to refer to a woman, whereas bitchy can usually be applied to either sex. Can you appreciate the difference inherent in either word. The same is true of your chosen word "skank" and the word I used which is "skanky"

Here is the link you asked for. I hope it helps.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/skanky

Suuure, you were calling her a skank, but you wanted to convey the meaning of the word skanky to people reading your posts. Do you want me to add gullible to the list of things you think of me?

[GypsyGoth]

You may very well say so but I couldn't possibly comment! The Gypsy would report me to the thought police

I've never reported anyone ever on tibb.

[calyman]

Suuure, you were calling her a skank, but you wanted to convey the meaning of the word skanky to people reading your posts. Do you want me to add gullible to the list of things you think of me?

You may be desperate to land your interpretation of my intended use of the word skank instead of skanky. I think you should realise by now, if I had wanted to use your interpretation of that word, I would have done so already.

Call my bluff and quote me where I have used that term. Otherwise do me the courtesy of accepting that I am not guilty of the accusation you want so much to level against me.

[calyman]

I've never reported anyone ever on tibb.

erm, that was a joke. Didn't you realise that?

[GypsyGoth]

manky skanks with their sleezy faux lezzie affaire.



Here you go.

[GypsyGoth]

erm, that was a joke. Didn't you realise that?

I didn't think you saying I report things to the thought police was funny, so I assumed it wasn't a joke.

[calyman]

Here you go.
Okay you got me there but when refering to scabby the individual, I always refer to her as skanky.

I used the term "manky skanks with their sleezy faux lezzie affaire." because I thought it had a certain cache
but credit to you, you called me on this. However, I still refute your accusation that I use the term because I am being a bigot over her sexuality. I couldn't care less what her sexual identity is, just that I despise her for being the person she is and her desperate stalking of her love interest.

[calyman]

I didn't think you saying I report things to the thought police was funny, so I assumed it wasn't a joke.
Do you have a sense of humour? Just who are the "thought police" anyway?

[GypsyGoth]

Okay you got me there but when refering to scabby the individual, I always refer to her as skanky.

I used the term "manky skanks with their sleezy faux lezzie affaire." because I thought it had a certain cache
but credit to you, you called me on this. However, I still refute your accusation that I use the term because I am being a bigot over her sexuality. I couldn't care less what her sexual identity is, just that I despise her for being the person she is and her desperate stalking of her love interest.

Fair enough, I believe you.

Just a suggestion, but maybe both Ben and Shabby have good and bad qualities. It's possible you know.

You seem to think the best of him, yet the worst of her.

Do you have a sense of humour? Just who are the "thought police" anyway?

People tell me I have a very witty sense of humour, thank you. And I figured you were referring to mods.

[calyman]

Fair enough, I believe you.

Just a suggestion, but maybe both Ben and Shabby have good and bad qualities. It's possible you know.

You seem to think the best of him, yet the worst of her.



People tell me I have a very witty sense of humour, thank you. And I figured you were referring to mods.
Ben is not my "hero", in fact I think he is a very flawed person. What I don't think however is that he is guilty of the many unfair accusations made against him. He needs to be more assertive, more circumspect in what he says, less trusting and naive. On the whole, I think he is a likeable individual.

However with shabby, she has no redeeming qualities in my mind, she is symptomatic of the "all about me" menatality. She shows no respoect to others, verbally abuses them, is completely unwilling to reolve disputes in a reasonable way, shows clear evidence of misandry, which I despise and find as repugnant as much as I would if a man was acting in a misogynist manner.

[GypsyGoth]

I really don't believe she is a misandrist. She has good realtionships with Nathan and Govan. She cherishes the hat her grandfather used to wear. She has also admitted to once wanting to be a guy.

I think you are wrong.

[calyman]

I really don't believe she is a misandrist. She has good realtionships with Nathan and Govan. She cherishes the hat her grandfather used to wear. She has also admitted to once wanting to be a guy.

I think you are wrong.
I think some of choice comments like "Penis" to the TOT and refering to Mario as being led by his "dick". also her obvious nastieness to some of the male housemates. If she was consistent then some of this would reflect in her language and attitude to women, which it doesn't appear to, so yes; I believe she is a misandrist.

she does seem really hung up on the male sexual appendage.



I'm off to sleep now so I'll leave you with a Glasgow joke:

A man goes in to a bakers and asks the shopkeeper if the cake on display is an eclair or a merringue. The shopkeeper replies
Naw yer right son, it's an eclair!

Anyway, G'night

[GypsyGoth]

Night, and I don't get it.

[vesavius]

Night, and I don't get it.

merringue = am i wrong?

still not funny though tbh.